/v/ - Video Games

Why do industry figures defend this practices so fucking hard? Grubb doesn't even work on any games with lootboxes in this.

>>15800561

But those pesky gamers need to be owned, anon.

>>15800561

It has nothing to do with what's going on in their brains, it's their wallets where the magic is happening.

>>15800550

Just to leave it out of the way, OW boxes are the most user friendly in comparion to shit EA and Valve does, not shilling, just putting that there so people dont devolve into OW shitposting when the same fags probably paid for hats and unusuals in tf2

>>15800563

it makes a Crazy amount of money. if you get someone hooked they spend $10,000 or some times $100,000 on a game that they only would have spend just spent $60 to get all of the content.

the trick is to never let them stop spending money. this is some how not gambling

>>15800582

It seems the only solution is to have the government take action against these fucks. No one said the chemo was going to be harmless, but there's little else to do, no one is siding with the consumer on this issue, and that shit's alarming.

>>15800579

Over the past few months I've begun to seriously hate lolbergs.

>>15800582

Sportsfags are at the top of the cancer shit pile. They are pretty much bred to love corporate cock and are highly susceptible to group think, so they are easily controlled. Such a shame too, I'm not a team sports fan at all but some of the older sports games before the jews went full kike were actually fun sometimes.

>>15800687

>They are pretty much bred to love corporate cock

hot

>>15800583

>artificially limited "seasonal" content that you have a small chance to get "for free" at an increasingly slower rate over time

Not falling for your tricks, schlomo.

>>15800721

>I wouldn't be surprised if they were holding up companies like EA.

They are, which is why even with their recent failures, EA won't be going anywhere for a long time. There would have to be some major blunder with EA sports to cause significant damage, but the fans are such cattle that such an event is unlikely.

>>15800720

>chance for a box to drop

>cant open the box because keys are only obtainable via cash

>box only has one drop inside and if its shit you will dismantle it for scrap

>you need to buy stupids amounts of keys or idle servers for drops

>valve somehow doesnt have season limited shit that you cant use outside of certain dates, oh wait

>creating a market for pixels

Im not saying blizz aint shit because they are, they just predate way less than other systems

>>15800721

>I wouldn't be surprised if they were holding up companies like EA.

They are, EA could completely fuck up everything but their sports games and they'd still be an industry powerhouse just from sportsball

similar to how ActiBlizz can afford to fuck up everything but their mobile division due to how much money it prints for them

>>15800550

If it wasn't for gamergate blowing up and redpilling my ass I'd still be an npc listening and believing what game journalists lol say.

>>15800582

I used to be a vidya sportsballfag myself, but later I realized that the reason they're so often called out by anons and even reddit is that the community is by and large the very definition of what /v/ would call normalfag cancer. They would always be the first ones to fall for the (((industry)))'s new tricks. Just look at sportsfags from up to 2 decades ago until today, they were the ones who kept buying slightly modified versions of the same games every year; they were the dudebros and at the same time the landwhales before CODfaggery and gachafaggotry was even a thing.

>>15800550

If you pay money for cosmetics you are a waste of space in the first place.

>>15800741

Limited content that you have a small chance to get for free before your attempts become time gated too hard is clear emotional manipulation. Mobage use the same trick. It works on the same principle as locked lootboxes that you need to buy keys for.

>>15800748

So true.

>but if all the dlc/mtx/lootboxes are cosmetic it's totally fine!

>the devs need money!

I wish all the fucking greed apologists that thought this would fuck off already.

but trump wants to put less regulations on his fellow kikeporations

>>15800730

otoh shareholders don't like one-trick ponies, because if when all those juicy gambling boxes don't work any more for whatever reason electronic "we're just doing fifa and shit" arts is pretty much fucked.

>>15800561

They are defending the right to not be told by the government how you can and can't waste your money.

That's something you should be able to understand as somebody who isn't retarded, because people who aren't retarded are able to understand things even though the might not agree with them.

>>15801075

I understand the rationale behind disagreeing with the government stepping in to regulate something that, at most, is half a step away from outright gambling. I also understand the rationale behind wanting to protect people's feelings from being hurt by banning certain words.

Being able to understand the rationale behind a decision does not make that decision any less retarded.

>>15800550

First the thotaudit and now this?

It's fascinating how twitter socialists become hardcore libertarians as soon as they risk losing some of their money.

>>15801108

This.

If someone wants to make and sell child pornography or sell cocaine in schools, he should be allowed to.

its very easy for lootboxes to be reinserted in malicious form, its already happened where games were released somewhat ok state and suddenly few months after it had gotten all the praise they patch in fucking lootbox systems

this shit is never going to go away if there if people stop caring or apply pressure whenever this shit happens

>>15800730

The actual sports they're licensing would have to encounter a major fuck up of some kind to make people not want to buy them anymore.

Kapernick kneeling was a good start.

>>15800732

I really miss Blitz.

>>15800741

Think of Overwatch lootboxes for events like Gacha banners and suddenly you'll see why they're just as shit as whatever EA and etc. are doing.

>>15801150

This. I'm glad less whites are watching niggerball because of that idiot.

>>15800550

>It's changed drastically

>We've all moved on

>Please stop investigating

>>15801195

>>15801213

It's a jaden meme from a lyric on a new song

Loot boxes are kike-tier, and I oppose anything kike-tier. If you want to sell virtual goods to retards, fine, but introducing a system where they don't get what they paid for (in terms of the internal virtual economy) 95% of the time is just peak yid.

Fuck regulation. Video game developers shouldn't have to deal with any regulations whatsoever. If you realize a game is fucking shit and stupid stop playing it and find some dev forums to tell them how shit they are. That's what I've done with several games where I got fed up with the devs.

>>15802328

I'm sure they realized how wrong they were and fixed their games instead of fleecing retards whose existence and numbers advantage you seem to ignore.

>>15802354

The retarded masses deserve what they get I am content with the games I play and with also messing around in GoDot making my own stuff.

I don't see what the problem is here that you have to regulate them.

I can not support fucking with the freedom of game devs to do exactly what they want.

The ONLY I guess "regulation" I can get behind is the deal Steam has where if you just bought a game you have a certain amount of time where you can be 100% refunded if you so choose. That way people can't be tricked so easily into losing their money on a bullshit game.

I wish Blizzard would have refunded me on Diablo III when I bought that piece of shit. All I got was a permaban from their forums and my paid for account becoming useless and also fucking up my ability to play Starcraft II even though my problem was purely with Diablo III. However, I am glad I have long ago left Blizzard behind as a result of it, and only play linux-compatible and better games since.

>>15800579

This may surprise you, but everyone feels that way. Nobody wants a "free market" because that's risky, and risk is antithetical to profit. Better to rig the system and hedge your bets as much as possible.

>>15802367

>>15802328

Jesus Christ, open a history textbook. This argument has been had a thousand times in American history. Companies will always take the shortest route to profit and ignore discerning customers like you. Eventually when the internet is fully regulated because that is inevitable the greatest games will never be mentioned outside of the inevitable shadow-internet because it might inform people that AAA studios are lazy. Here's a few examples.

>Fuck regulation. Telecoms and railroad companies should be able to lockdown swathes of the whole nation.

>Fuck regulation. Meat packaging companies should be able to sell whatever they want and label it as prime beef.

>Fuck regulation. Steel manufacturers should be able to make whatever they want and sell it as industrial grade.

Capitalism, as much as it is better than systems they came before it, is still flawed. Laissez-faire economics is a tad outmoded at this point.

>>15802618

Capitalism is shit.

National Socialism works much better.

>>15802635

Even mercantilism was better.

>>15800550

How much do you think the bluecheckmarks get for supporting this shit?

>>15802631

You're really trying to get as much mileage out of that meme, aren't you?

>>15802638

Fuck that, I'd rather be Jewed locally than Jewed from abroad in a system that doesn't even make a pretense of representation.

>>15802635

>Capitalism is shit.

Juden, please jump into the nearest gas chamber.

>National Socialism works much better.

>whatchadoinschlomo.jpeg

>>15802658

>jews hate capitalism

Yeah, okay. And niggers hate KFC and watermelons.

Lootboxes are worth a fortune to the industry as it lets them run casinos for kids so brace for what hundreds of millions of shekels worth of shilling against the FTC looks like. Bloggers and streamers will be getting talking points via private email lists and will say the same thing in their own words simultaneously.

>self-correcting

g'fa ha ha

>>15802648

Is it wrong though?

>>15802693

It get's really stale though. There are more than just that one Ancap ball, man.

>>15802618

So…. you're complaining about the internet being regulated but at the same time trying to counter me on my "fuck regulation" stance?

Bro. Enjoy your future of over-regulated games where everything is censored and developing a videogame becomes impossible without having a shitload of money for a legal team and a ton of other shit we wouldn't have otherwise needed.

>>15802710

>hurr, u not want one thing? must be other thing

Sorry to inform you, but the world does not operate in black and white. Just because I don't want the internet to be regulated doesn't mean it isn't going to happen. The struggle for power over a nation is always happening, don't let anyone else tell you differently. It's a constant struggle between normal folks, the government, and those who are wealthy enough to sway the government. Regulations are necessary, but also a double edged sword – like all government. It's in our best interest to ensure that it's a struggle that continues, because the moment one gains absolute power, everything tends to go to shit.

So, uh, about those videogames.

Who the fuck cares, really? Any game that's ever had lootboxes in them was fucking garbage not because of the lootboxes, but because the game was a steaming pile of dogshit that normalfags would have eaten up in a second, with the (((management))) shoving lootboxes into them. If you can name me ONE (1) game that was remotely good and THEN was ruined by lootboxes, then we can have all the pseudo-/economics/ arguments we want.

>>15801136

does the dude just walk around with his forearm, wrist and hand firmly lodged into a dragon's rectum?

>>15802808

Shadow of Mordor is actually pretty good, for one.

>>15802720

oy vey, if there are regulations on monetization developers and publishers would need to make a good game instead of a digital whaling operation.

>>15802835

Oh, really? I heard about it a while ago but then it dropped off the face of the earth, at least to me. Care to summarize it's good points?

>>15802866

Thats probably what they were thinking when they first started pushing it out.

>See? its not REAL gambling!

>now buy our pretty pixels, goy

Here's an idea. Make the ESRB give an automatic M rating to games with lootboxes. If you're not old enough to gamble in Las Vegas, you're not old enough to gamble online, kiddo.

>>15802892

Who are the majority of Call of Duty, Battlefield, GTA and Red Dead's playerbase? "Mature" people?

>>15802892

Yeah, that'll stop all the kids from getting into it, just like no kid ever played GTA or managed to pass the age check of a porn site.

If anything, that would be worse. If a kid spends 10k from mommy's credit card they can just say it's not their fault and the parent should've seen it's M rated.

To those suggesting just putting an AO on the ESRB, that won't work either. In Nebraska, online gambling is outright illegal and what's the only way to get lootboxes? Through online. So corporations would either have to take them out or just not sell their games in those states that outlaw online gambling. To be honest, it sounds like a win/win either way.

>>15802916

Kids being able to get M rated games is one thing. But kids don't have a disposable income to keep wasting on lootboxes. And no, parents usually don't give their kids free assess to all their money and credit cards.

>>15802982

They don't need direct access, just access to a phone with all the convenience stuff set up already. Like their mom's phones when she lets them use to play games so they shut up while they're cooking or whatever. Or the little shits could just steal the credit cards while the parents aren't looking.

I mean, if you think putting an M rating would help, that would imply you're already aware children can get access to it, right?

>>15802892

it should be auto AO you must be 21 and over to play

>>15801411

what if they hard a retard store for all their items but still sold random boxes anyways for people who have a niggy gambling fetish>>15802932

>we'd at least get the stigma against AO console games erased, so win-win.

do you mean how they push for lower ratings?

>>15803125

I mean that brick & mortar stores flat-out refuse to stock AO games, and console platform promulgators (Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, Sega) all refuse to certify AO games.

>>15803285

It's the same faggot that spams blackpill garbage, just filter and report.

>>15803348

Can't filter individuals on TOR without a trip

Mutts should bomber FTC with complains about lootbox, gacha and other scam models. Strike while the iron is hot. Complain about crazy low rates to suck money highest rarity shouldn't be lower than 10% or maybe more to pull. Complain about stupid games forcing people to replay same stage hundred of times for rewards. You have to weaponize children like they do. Say chidren lives are ruined or whatever. Take down any anti player scam. Fuck all developers if they get away we will be fucked for more years to come.

>>15802932

this Sony and M$ will suddenly be OK having AO games running on their systems.

also THE ESRB IS NOT HERE TO HELP US they are the game publishers. they protect the game publishers from issues like this with the FTC.

>>15803348

That wasn't the blackpill TORnigger, it was the "we must immediately murder leftists right now" falseflag TORnigger.

>>15803398

I'm convinced the industry right now is simply too greedy to back down and voluntarily self-ban lootboxes and similar practices fast enough, like they did with unrated violence in the 90s. The billions of dollars a year they're raking in are too tempting for them to drop the harpoons before the public runs out of patience and slaps them with hard regulations.

>>15800550

In principle I don't think the government should be regulating them. The ESRB should be though. I think they should have a mark for whether microtransactions are non-cosmetic and for whether they have something chance based like lootboxes. Not necessarily that they factor it into the age rating, just a mark in addition to that.

If a product is 'unknown' and sold for money it should straight up be labelled gambling and regulated as such, everything from lootboxes to magic the gathering packs to kinder surprise eggs.

Pokemon cards gave me addiction as a child that's hard to break because some long nosed nip used advanced levels of psycology to target my developing brain with his flashy colors. It's child mind rape at it's finest

>>15803539

regulate*

>already fixed

>doesn't state how

>uses overwatch lootbox as an example which is the absolute most predatory lootbox system I'm aware of

>lootboxes are fixed guys it's okay

Yeah, we know they're fixed. So are slot machines. The problem was never whether they were fixed or not, the problem was and still is that they exist.

Gas the Gaming Industry.

>>15803712

Look up VHEM, it's one of those things that started as a joke, and attracted people who took it seriously.

>>15803712

Anarcho primitivism, it's not too stupid since it's just living in small groups walking for life like cavemen eating and hunting. Note there's a distinction between like and being. Google it and read some shit on it, it'll never get far enough to be real though.

>>15803732

Wew lad.

>>15803712

It exists and yes it's dumb.

>>15802808

It's easy to make a shit game and reel in a couple thousand whales than make a quality game and reel in enough customers to turn a profit.

The problem is now the government has its foot in the door and shit is about to get really fucking gay.

>>15800550

As time goes on they make it obvious only a total collapse and a culture reset will fix what needs to be fixed. They own the corporations, the money and the media. That power needs to forcefully be taken away from them.

>>15800583

>OW boxes are the most user friendly in comparion to shit EA and Valve does

they're still very predatory. sure they only supply cosmetics but you can ONLY purchase loot boxes with real money or through a level up in game (unsure how long that takes roughly), can not simply purchase a cosmetic you like with some form of funbux exchange system or a real money. So if you want a skin you like you gotta play a lot and hope you get it in a box or with the pitiful amount of in-game currency you are occasionally provided in loot boxes. Or buy a bunch of lootboxes with real money to speed up the process.

Then they do limited time items usually holiday themed, so if there's a christmas or halloween skin you like, it's only available for a few weeks(?) of game time before its locked out, during this period you either have to play way the fuck more, or just buy a pile of lootboxes with real money. Weaker willed consumers are likely to succumb to whaling on these limited time items because they don't want to feel like they missed out. This is where it's exploiting the consumer the most. Strangely enough the most "user friendly" loot box system might be in Ubisofts rainbow six siege where the loot cosmetics have a chance to be won every time you win a match, with in game currency, or with funbux exchanges. They recently added limited time items as well though and those SPECIAL boxes can only be got with funbux so maybe i oughta retract my previous statement

>>15800550

Why the hell do some of you even want government meddling in gaming? This can never end well. Just vote with your wallets you stupid fucks god.

Reminder that they're literally praying on addicts, and lolbergs are fucking retarded.

Please government fix this for me and everyone else we are all just children and can not be trusted to have any rights or responsibilities of my own! Government always knows best!

>>15812579

>Just vote with your wallets you stupid fucks god.

You think anyone who wants this regulation isn't already doing that? People have telling everyone these practices have been shit since horse armor. Guess what? It's only gotten worse since then and is now hitting critical mass with no sign of getting better.

>>15800591

They probably think something like "Not everything is a conspiracy! Bad things are actually good. I'm so rational. I'm very mature for tolerating exploitative practices." As if being counter-counter-culture is somehow the sign of a good journalist. Their logic is so fucked up.

>>15803732

Ah, like femininism.

>>15812727

>asking the government not to hold scammers accountable?

Jeez i knew "anarchists" were retarded but this goes even further beyond retarded

>>15828463

>cat alunya recolor

The creativity of leftists never ceases to amaze

Fake commie Nationalist astroturfing sure is gayer than real commie Nationalist astroturfing.

Fuck off, /leftypol/.

>>15828568

It sounds simple, this gambling with real money. You're putting in dosh and trying to get a rare item that is random.

All games with lootboxes should be rated as Adult Only with a clear label of REAL WORLD GAMBLING being placed on the box.

Then the faggots can have their loot boxes, with a population of players that can make their own choices and not gamble with mommy and daddy's credit card (generally).

>>15828809

What about states where gambling in general is outlawed?

>>15829070

>Why would we allow others to do what is detrimental to our fun?

If things are better for the future otherwise. Of course, videogames don't fall under this category, so you're right.

>>15828809

I'm not sure you know this but the AO branding is a fake label and is often used as a ban since no store will sell something labeled AO. There was also a recent controversy with ESRB where they would threaten to give an AO to Death Mark if they didn't censor one image of one woman having her mouth open with a speculum and a spider going into her mouth. They had to comply to keep that Mature rating so they have to make an online patch where if would black out that one image. The ones not affected by this decision was the retail versions of the game if you didn't go online to patch it.

What makes you think the ESRB has any sense to judge the gambling of lootboxes when it sees something that would be normal in Saw movie as AO material?

>>15800559

That's the meme they always push.

>>15812579

why do you think there tags on mattress ? because companies were putting fucking anything in them and selling them. so the government had to step in and force them to have tags explaining whats in the mattress by law.

>>15828568

the ESRB IS the publishers that are selling lootboxes

its EA,capcom ,ubishit, sony M$ . they are the companies that fund the ESRB. shocker the ESRB thinks loot boxes are not gambling

>>15812579

>>15812815

it only takes 5 people putting in $10,000 into a game to keep it alive. happens so much that the publishers have a name for it "wales"

"vote with your wallets" means nothing at this point. we can't do anything about it outside of finding these people and killing them to stop them from giving the companies money.

>>15812724

This is the guy who talked about riding a scooter up a mountain right? Actually a pretty informative video.

>>15829241

Wrong line of thinking. You only need to know who bankrolls the ESRB to know how their decisions are made.

>>15812579

>10 anons vote with the wallet

>1 whale spend 12k funbucks for the top hat

Yeah not working that meme out kid

>>15844144

Where is the Gondola?

>>15844144

>>15800578

$15 FOR MILK???

>>15844470

under the madness of the old gods…

ITS POSSIBLE

>>15828463

wheres the porn

>>15800578

>>15844144

Sorry for off-topic but for some reason I really like this picture, don't know why.

Thanks for sharing it anons.

>>15842910

>whale dies of malnutrition

>>15828463

>>15844553

I'd fuck it.

>>15849362

Who wouldn't?

>>15828343

>Anti-ancap memes are leftist

This is "everyone I don't like is Hitler" tier.

>>15842722

>the publishers have a name for it "whales"

And that nickname was taken from, surprise surprise, the gambling industry.

>>15861460

Just so you know, some fags earlier today thought I was you. Stay safe out there, these leftists will do anything to get prudent anons banned to push their own nefarious agendas.

>>15844144

Very nice anon, but I must ask, what is the song that you paired with this?

>>15854482

Agreed, it's only a matter of time, just look at entertainment tax in chicago

>>15828568

Why would the ESRB do something that might hurt their income, they have to be involved in this somehow, just a matter of time before they get pressed to do something

It's not even the boxes themselves. Thy just had to fucking SELL THEM.

Take overwatch because that's the op.

The system is simple:

>acquire loot box (either by being a good goy or by playing the game, the latter happening at a steady pace)

>open box

>have a chance to directly get the item you want, get something you don't want, or currency for duplicates. Note that eventually, you'll get more and more duplicates

>items can be bought with currency

>everything is cosmetic, no actual gameplay is paywalled (ignoring the initial purchase) gotta admit this one is more than most games offer.

Now imagine if you could buy currency with real money and loot boxes only exist as a drop.

>>15861491

Nani?

>>15800670

>any government intervention is bad

but government intervention IS the current economy

>>15869424

That's why the current economy is going so strong. Oh wait.

>>15802829

Do you not?

>>15800670

Socialism is by default a violation of the NAP. You are taking someone else's money and giving it to whoever you think needs it. People don't understand the NAP. Don't initiate force. That is all it is.

>>15870427

>literally being a lolberg