22d5ee No.15799972
"Halo defined the FPS genre."
b6c863 No.15799982
>you say something negative about a game
>"oh yeah, I bet you played an hour of it, you don't even know what you're talking about"
>point out you probably have more time in the game than him
>"you've played x hours of the game, you can't possibly dislike something about it, OK?"
03eaa5 No.15799984
4cucknellers clogging up the catalog with their shitty OPs really piss me off
22d5ee No.15799990
>>15799984
Bon appetit, incel.
b6c863 No.15799992
>>15799990
>saging your own thread
What are you? Retarded?
eb834d No.15799999
22d5ee No.15800007
>>15799992
So they tell me.
>>15799999
Noice.
007ac5 No.15800016
>>15799982
>5mb gif
Why do fags like (you) exist?
Just fucking webm it.
b6c863 No.15800031
>>15800016
I didn't make it
Blame /k/
94080d No.15800060
94080d No.15800063
10f157 No.15800120
>nintendo makes good games
bd780c No.15800134
>Mommy please stop drinking so much
cb0e12 No.15800150
>>15799972
>two weapon limits are bad
Carrying around 10+ weapons for the entire game makes it impossible for the developer to create balanced levels without outright removing all of your guns each 'episode'.
007ac5 No.15800152
>>15800134
I AIN'T CLICKING THAT SHIT
f785fb No.15800161
>ass these butthurt Gaylo fanboys
f785fb No.15800162
>>15800161
I meant "all these"
47a905 No.15800164
>>15800134
That was disgusting and I don't get it.
227a6c No.15800165
>open world game
>hundreds of sidequests
>they all fit into one of three templates
It's so soulless. Most open world games also have lackluster main missions as well.
>>15800152
It's not particularly terrible, it's just incredibly boring and disappointing that someone, somewhere was paid to make it.
8430de No.15800188
>>15800150
Case in point: original DOOM
>oh lol you jumped through a portal and got maimed to death by demons
>no explanation why this happened or how Doomguy got out of this predicament
>Back to just a pistol and fists
The original DOOM would have been a lot better if they limited you to two weapons. One handgun (pistol/both shotguns) and one piece of heavy ordnance (RPG/Minigun/both plasma weapons). Would force you to strategize a lot more instead of running and gunning…
<Should I blast these Cyberdemons with some of my own rockets and pick up that launcher over there
<Or should I stick to my Plasma rifle and take him down the slower, more controlled way?
814a7f No.15800192
"Fallout 4 was the best game in the series, whats new vegas?"
2efce6 No.15800209
>>15799999
Impressive.
Very nice.
eb834d No.15800214
>>15800188
Wouldn't that only work if the weapons like exploded when you switched them? Might be neat, you can switch a weapon and it either pushes all the demons back or causes a big explosion, which gets rid of the switched out weapon so you couldn't abuse it.
000000 No.15800218
>>15799972
>"Corporations need freedom and money and you must give that to them."
>"If it is on sale, buy it. Don't question."
>"It gets better after 100 hours."
2d1aa2 No.15800221
>>15799972
>play MMO
>doing team based mission
>someone fucks up the mission despite it being the same as the other countless missions they already done
>mission fails
>team wants to retry despite it being a shitshow
>person who fucked it all up leaves halfway through the retry
>mission failed
If you are the cause of such bullfuckery, delete your account or have ever been the victim of such then please Please PLEASE report the fucker
328f8f No.15800223
Developers being unable to balance around the player being able to do a bunch of things, like having a variety of weapons, is not an argument for having less weapons but for developers to actually get good.
Like in DMC4; the game is essentially saved by the absolute mindfuck that is Dante with all of his styles unlocked at the same time. I've recently been playing EYE and it absolute revels in throwing so much broken shit at the player and then throwing invasions of enemies in turn, forcing the player to get good while cheating for their ever-loving life.
So fuck Halo and its slow ass bullshit with two weapons. Consoles can keep their garbage, I'll be here enjoying my crazy shit. Sorry for soundless shit, haven't bothered to make any webms for it yet.
75022f No.15800231
0e2c63 No.15800239
>you can't enjoy or like a bad game
you fags say that a lot
pic unrelated Medieval 2 is the best game ever made
cb0ab0 No.15800241
>>15799972
>>15800221
>play MMO
>it's full of players who want to play by themselves
I haven't played MMOs in years, but this never made sense to me. Why play a multiplayer game if you won't play with other people? When I was younger I used to think how MMOs/multiplayer games would improve as consoles and computers got better. That ended up being a disappointment.
4380b8 No.15800242
>>15799972
Netherrealm making some of the worst looking/playing games ever conceived. selling lots of copies and receiving almost universal praise. fucking why?
328f8f No.15800244
>>15800241
Only played two MMOs in recent years; Secret World Legends and Vindictus.
The former's playerbase is full of fucking idiots who excuse the devs laziness while throwing truckfulls of cash at the cash shop and only detract from the solemn mood of the game world itself. It's honestly a better experience while played alone, taking in the sights and wandering without the safety of numbers.
And Vindictus is an instance-based action game, meaning the more fuckers you have aboard the worse your connection, making precise gameplay unviable due to lag. More satisfying to just solo shit and pretend it's an action game with some modicum of depth rather than just run in with a group and have everyone fuck everything up.
113d16 No.15800245
>>15800165
>Massive open world!
>Fucking nothing in it
>Extra fuck if it's "procedurally generated"
113d16 No.15800247
>>15800241
Because other people are mean
eb834d No.15800248
>>15800242
What in the everloving fuck is that fourth image supposed to be
75022f No.15800256
>>15800239
Funny how that comes from a Medfag who'd shit on modern TW given the chance.
5f2d5b No.15800257
>>15799972
Halo did define the FPS genre. Halo was the basis for all FPS games since it. The main genre in the 360 generation was FPS games based on the Halo formula. We didn't see a shift in the genre again until Day Z which now defines the FPS genre in the form of PUBG and Fortnite.
You're just too much of a tard to understand that defining something for a period is a fact.
75022f No.15800258
>>15800257
It evolved the genre, it didn't define it.
5f2d5b No.15800264
>>15800188
Welcome to /v/ where people are too dumb to understand Doom's plot. Doom guy dies at the end of episode 1. Episode 2 takes place in Hell where he goes after he dies.
Limiting dooms weapons happened all the time. You had limited ammo which forced you to choose what weapon to use.
>>15800258
I don't think you know what define means. Halo defined the FPS genre for a period the same way Coca cola and Pepsi define cola drinks. IT doesn't mean it's the only possible avenue. It means it's the biggest and most iconic one for it's time.
0e2c63 No.15800271
>>15800256
I get why you'd think that but actually no, although I think most new TW games are average at best and miss a lot of opportunities(their DLC tactic doesnt help either) I had a considerable amount of fun with TW warhammer for example.
22d5ee No.15800276
>>15800192
I still have never played Fallout 4 past the part where you come out of the vault and meet your pet robot. I just can't do it.
47a905 No.15800279
>>15800276
Why, what happens?
22d5ee No.15800283
>>15800279
What happens is I stop caring, turn the game off, and silently lament what Fallout turned into. And what it turned into was Mass Effect.
9c267c No.15800287
>game is hard
>hear someone comparing it to Dark Souls
>It doesn't even play like Dark Souls
>It's even completely different
>they use it to every game a bit hard, even on fucking DIRT RALLY
e6a685 No.15800291
>>15799972
It´s true, though. Its all of his copycats that ruined the fps genre until very recently.
75022f No.15800293
>>15800271
That's fine then.
75022f No.15800295
>>15800264
Halo didn't change the "essential qualities" of the FPS genre, which is what "define" means.
9c7a47 No.15800306
60cd36 No.15800307
>>15800301
Unskippable logo spam when booting up the game
5f2d5b No.15800308
>>15800295
It changed literally everything. Speed, pacing, weaponry, controller focused gunplay. FPS went from keyboard to keyboard and mouse to xbox controller with triggers. Halo defined the original Xbox, which is the first current gen designed console ever made.
47a905 No.15800311
>>15800283
No I just thought it was weird you played it at all.
79fb90 No.15800313
>>15800307
>Game company logo
>publisher logo
>game engine logo
>Dolby surround sound logo
>Game title logo
22d5ee No.15800338
>>15800311
Well, I'd been playing since the original Interplay games, so I decided I'd attempt to see it through, but I couldn't.
e60a88 No.15800347
>>15800307
>>15800313
>Start replacing logos with 0.25 second black screen videos because of this shit
>Some games like Nioh have the logos tied to the opening cinematic
>Some games like Cities: Skylines use them as start up loading screens
20953a No.15800348
>>15800313
You forgot
>nvidia logo
>Intel logo
>various middleware logos
>esrb warning
eb834d No.15800381
>>15800348
Wait, you forgot
>EU 2 minute long warning about misogyny
>Privilege check
>mountain dew ad
>burka light ray engine logo
f3c43e No.15800402
>You make your own fun
>game has nothing fun in it and adds on microtransactions
87d5f5 No.15800408
>playing co-op game online with complete stranger for a teammate
>he screams at me and calls me a retard instead of trying to help me out when I'm having trouble
f3c43e No.15800427
>>15800408
>game used to be single player
>devs pushing for multiplayer because trends
>what you don't have friends to play with? LOL
c11522 No.15800433
>>15800427
Resident Evil numero 5
75022f No.15800529
>>15799999
Thread redeemed
ec0d19 No.15800534
>>15800427
>game used to be one genre
>goes to a new dev
>now it's another genre
<ha why do you care it's still an [xyxy] game xDDD
e41518 No.15800538
>>15800534
>what is Fallout
a08036 No.15800549
>>15800427
>>15800534
This thread is making me fucking angry, you guys gotta stop.
ec0d19 No.15800552
>it's not a bad game, just a bad [series] game
ef527c No.15800586
>>15800150
>>15800188
who let these spergs in
58853f No.15800598
>>15800188
>The original DOOM would have been a lot better if they limited you to two weapons. One handgun (pistol/both shotguns) and one piece of heavy ordnance (RPG/Minigun/both plasma weapons). Would force you to strategize a lot more instead of running and gunning…
that's called Rise of the Triad and it balanced itself by giving you infinite small arms ammo. Would have been terrible if you had to manage ammo for both
Doom balanced itself by making each weapon appropriate to various situations; to wit, you don't bring a handgun to a revenant fight if you can help it, the plasma launcher is overkill for imps and zombies, the BFG is for large crowds and the rocket launcher is for heavies and bosses. Can you seriously say you want to go tracking down one of these any time you find a situation that your current 2 weapons don't favor? Because Doom likes to switch up its situations often
7f4134 No.15800619
>>15800552
can actually be valid though, chrono cross is probably THE example of this
a2263b No.15800621
58853f No.15800633
>>15800308
>speed
yeah, running like a lead weight in a game with what should have been dodgeable projectiles sure was fun
also, console gen 5 FPS like Medal of Honor
>pacing
honestly did nothing new. Cinematic'd it up a bit but setpiece design was done better in Unreal
>weaponry
the precisely 1 new weapon mechanic was the much maligned needler's homing function. And mechanically Rise of the Triad did homing projectiles in FPS first
>controller focused gunplay
console gen 5 FPS. Medal of Honor defined the stick controls. Yes, really. Don't believe me? Fine, Timesplitters, which came out the year before Halo
here, I'll give you a few more:
>vehicles
Cybermage
>teammates
Terranova: Strike Force Centauri
>recharging health/recharging shields independent of health
in FPS: Terranova
in other genres: Star Crusader
both cases have a great deal more depth to their shield and health regen systems
ec0d19 No.15800636
>>15800619
Your bloodline has to go
1fbab4 No.15800641
>HEY I WANT TO GET INTO THIS GAME SERIES IN WHAT ORDER SHOULD I PLAY THE GAMES???
What about the obvious answer: fucking release order?
>HEY I WANT TO GET INTO THIS GAME SERIES
>CAN I SKIP EVERY SINGLE ENTRY AND JUST PLAY THE LAST ENTRY
64b4da No.15800642
>>15800641
This is valid sometimes
5ea190 No.15800644
>>15800641
>JUST DOWNLOADED/INSTALLED/AM ON THE MAIN MENU OF THIS GAME, WHAT AM I IN FOR
9a2528 No.15800682
>>15800641
Why does his iris have eyelids
15fcd3 No.15800683
>>15800641
To be fair, if it's a fairly long series, it might not be worth to play it from the very first game, especially if the first entries are very primitive.
Then of course, there are titles which you'd want to avoid completely, regardless of their release date.
Example: Prince of Persia.
>first two games are 2d sidescrollers, somewhat dated and largely overshadowed by the later games
>third game no one knows about, it's not very good either
>Sands of Time is the one most people know, great game and best starting point
>play the next two, WW and TTT
>forget about the two more that came out afterwards
de65af No.15800736
>>15800683
Or if a series has an absurdly bad start like rune factory, it's not even worth playing.
75022f No.15800749
>>15800644
>WHAT ARE SOME GAMES WITH <extremely specific attributes clearly meant as thinly veiled political commentary>
a867e0 No.15800762
>>15800534
Have a similar one you can recognize quickly.
>game is playable on a platform that is practical for the genre
>they release another game on a definitely inferior platform, but that everyone has because it's used in our daily life.
>people dislike that it is on inferior platform
<DON'T YOU GUYS HAVE [inferior platform]?
7c6575 No.15800771
these threads are always the same. do you actually enjoy seeing it?
maybe ill get 2 of the same number
29be62 No.15800778
>>15800749
>Did you know that this game had a [person of political denomination] on it's dev team, therefore it's automatically shit
b25334 No.15800782
>>15800241
>Why play a multiplayer game if you won't play with other people?
I did this fifteen years back, when I still played MMOs, because I was jaded enough to understand that online "people" are garbage but still naive enough to believe that an MMO could have a decent story or gameplay experience. And then I learned about DPS, tanks, and all that other assorted MMO autism, dropped my pack, turned the fuck around, and haven't looked back since.
fdc916 No.15800788
>>15800307
even worse
>you can't remove the video files for the logos because they're either tied to something or you can't access the folder easily
0e2fc5 No.15800805
>>15800241
It's because modern MMOs are designed in such a way that other players aren't necessary to progress or not even helpful. It's better to just rush through the quests alone and quick auto-match with strangers for the mandatory instances.
543986 No.15800807
>>15800778
Games with marxists on the dev team are shit, though.
f22b9f No.15800810
<"Dude, JRPGs are for weebs! CYOA RPGs are the epitome of RPGs!"
b61ee1 No.15800832
>>15800257
>Halo was the basis for all FPS games since it.
"I've only played console shooters": the post
b61ee1 No.15800840
>>15800257
>>15800832
And fuck, even then there were console shooters that had the decency to use Goldeneye for its basis, like the Timesplitters games, get the fuck out of here.
89620d No.15800847
>>15800840
This is why I can't stand Haloniggers.
dc4dcf No.15800848
>graphics matter more than gameplay
Hearing someone unironically say this kills me on the inside. Even if it's been an ongoing issue since the late 80s, it has clearly has gotten worse due to how much devs focus on games being 'cinematic' with no actual gameplay.
a2823f No.15800862
a coworker of mine that spends all of his money on games said "who actually 'beats' games anymore?"
he just buys the "popular" game, then plays it once or twice and moves on to more normalfag shit.
ef07fd No.15800865
>>15799984
still better than discussing the same topic for a month straight
29be62 No.15800866
>>15800862
Guy I used to know actually paid to win at games because he was too lazy to play them, then he'd quit the game after a week because he had nothing left to do. This went on for months.
15fcd3 No.15800872
>>15800848
I need both.
I can't stand ugly games.
It's not even about it needing megatextures or a million polygons per model, just a pleasant and coherent aesthetic.
Of course, only being pretty is not enough.
9ab1b9 No.15800881
>>15800771
>these threads are always the same
True, fuck simple threads, we need more depression threads discussing boring trivial barely vidya related topics, gacha mobile games, mmorpg generals, and a trainwreck game no one gives a shit about.
ef07fd No.15800889
>>15800881
make a news article post sponsored by one autistic gaymer
7c6575 No.15800890
>>15800881
this is a boring trivial barely vidya related topic
dc4dcf No.15800895
>>15800872
Of course, that's perfectly fine. The issue is when people think graphics take priority over enjoyable gameplay. For example, something like Dwarf Fortress, which although by default is graphically simplistic due to being made of ASCII art, is much more enjoyable and in depth than shit like Days Gone, which is nothing more than a 'movie' written by someone who is a failure of a writer.
29be62 No.15800899
>>15800881
>a trainwreck game no one gives a shit about
Todd, listen, you're not getting out of that nylon backpack that easily.
398ad2 No.15800902
>>15800307
this has gotten bad enough to the point where I just remove/delete the intro vids for any game before I even launch it
a2823f No.15800914
>>15800866
it ended? i know people that continuously do that and i makes me wonder why they still play games.
my older brother is an aggravating case similar to this. used to play games all the time and had decent taste and was good at them. we used to play together as kids and through college; we have nothing else in common.
now he takes too much soy and antidepressants. he cant "get into" any games anymore and has no hobbies other than normal fag TV. whenever he attempts to put effort into starting/trying a game, its some AAA trash or lefty indie shit that he gets tired of almost immediately. i'll usually warn him saying "oh… i thought it looked boring and xyz" and he just does it anyway, then thinks "wow i became disinterested fast… must be because im depressed or losing interest in games"
i'll even make recommendations of games he would like, and he either doesnt try it, or doesnt give it a chance.
i've just given up at this point.
watching someone you were close with become the epitome of an NPC is difficult.
29be62 No.15800927
>>15800914
He got buttblasted and stopped talking to my little group of friends entirely because we didn't want to play minecraft with him on one specific day
He also was on antidepressants
a2823f No.15800943
>>15800927
he paid to win…. in minecraft? how the fuck do you win minecraft?
73d504 No.15800944
>>15800899
You know that schadenfreude threads aren't that fun anymore. Not even shitshow games this year are interesting enough to laugh at. And i don't see anything kekworthy for 2019 either.
Nothing will ever beat the Evolve threads.
29be62 No.15800967
>>15800943
Nah, he paid to win in some shitty MMOs like Neverwinter or BDO usually, I know he spent something like 1000 eurodollars on LoL skins, the minecraft thing was kinda unrelated, but that was the last time I heard of him. He's a fucking Bosnian though, I'm sure he still throws money at the screen to win because that's the only way he gets satisfaction in his life.
1973e1 No.15800973
>>15799972
>halo didn't define the FPS genre
>every mainstream FPS didn't copy Halo after it came out, down to the joystick layout
Okay retard.
15fcd3 No.15800981
>>15800967
>he paid to win in some shitty MMOs like Neverwinter or BDO
>spent something like 1000 eurodollars on LoL skins
>He's a fucking Bosnian
What the fuck.
Is he a drug lord or a slave trader?
Because those are the only explanations that I have.
ef07fd No.15800989
>>15800973
to be fair it only was for like 5/6 years. call of duty is on track for 15 years now. Tracking the trend of cloning successful games in the FPS genre I think it shows the amount of time where a game is cloned is growing exponentially.
29be62 No.15800990
>>15800981
Worked on a boat.
91a9ff No.15801008
>>15800890
>things you don't like in vidya is barely vidya related
Can you read, anon?
>>15800914
I hate to see this too. I've had a few friends stop playing vidya entirely because they can't into sitting down and playing games they'll actually enjoy.
>>15800927
Antidepressants are killing people in myriad ways.
>>15800989
This is something I can't stand in vidya: the lack of originality in controls and aesthetics. If a game that sells well controls a certain way, then every game after in that genre will control similarly. In that vein, a game's aesthetics will be mimicked as closely as possible until we reach the point we've arrived at - all humans in all games look fucking identical. It's awful.
ef07fd No.15801015
>>15801008
>the lack of originality in controls and aesthetics.
I mostly see it in Western games which is why I don't play them very much. I'm especially not fond of that blurry pastel look that skirts around having detail by being an art style focused around not being detailed. I'm sure you've seen it, World of Warcraft, Torchlight, Diablo 3, any number of phone games, TF2 to an extent although TF2 is closer to the best implementation of that concept around by not trying to copy Blizzard's approach.
b61ee1 No.15801017
>>15800973
"I've only played console shooters" 2: the even less subtle sequel
ef07fd No.15801018
>>15801017
pc shooters were copying it too, usually poorly
7c6575 No.15801024
>>15801008
the op hardly has anything to do with video games. hes mad about newfags to his hobby being dumb.
91a9ff No.15801026
>>15801015
Yeah, that's one example. The CalArts of vidya. The other is AAA models all looking eerily identical.
>>15801024
So what? The thread subject is about video games. Talk about video games, ignore the faggot OP. Why is this so hard? Are you new to imageboards?
b61ee1 No.15801029
>>15801018
The only PC shooter I can think of that was Halo influenced was Crysis. Where as there is plenty of shooters like Stalker or TF2 which stuck to doing their own thing or being influenced by shooters that actually predate Halo.
a2823f No.15801032
>>15801008
>they can't into sitting down and playing games they'll actually enjoy
good way to put it.
i recently got one of my friends to play mount and blade warband. now he's addicted. but he sided with the swadians, so i may have to rethink our friendship
he kept randomly trying shit games that "looked" good or had good reviews. he came to hang out one weekend (we dont live close anymore)
i literally had to sit him down and make him play it. i even put the fucking thing on his computer. he was staying a weekend and wanted to play something, so i gave him mount and blade and factorio. he has yet to try factorio
his big games back in the day were doom/quake/unreal and he has arthritis now and games like that are hard for him to play well, but he also had a love for starcraft, and was the best player i knew. he used to win against people with asian characters for names. something i never witnessed online.
once he started warband, he got hooked. it didnt even take long. he just needed to have the patience to get it going.
89620d No.15801037
>>15801018
>The Halo controls had never been done before
We already had grenade and melee buttons before, seriously if your first video game was something on the Xbox just go back to reddit, please.
9debba No.15801039
>>15799999
>Le_smiling_80s_investment_banker_of_approval.jpg
7c6575 No.15801046
>>15801026
>lets excuse shitty ops because we "can" talk about something interesting
i could say youre new but thats too easy.
88b930 No.15801058
it did
zoom and half-brain are literal reddit tier garbage
at least hall btfos the nintendtoddler soy boy kikes lololololol
91a9ff No.15801100
>>15801046
That's how things have always been done, here and on 4chan 10+ years ago. You called OP a faggot, you posted tangentially about what his OP said, and then suddenly the thread is good. If you don't want to post in it and improve board quality that way, don't make bad threads worse by whining in them.
>>15801058
Is this a bot?
ef07fd No.15801105
>>15801037
>We already had grenade and melee buttons before
where did I say this was what was copied? Although Halos implementation was absolutely influential.
>>15801026
alpha prime, farcry, doom 3 all come to mind.
>>15801046
you and I both know this place has struggled to come up with good new discussion to the point where two month old threads are still on the board.
7c6575 No.15801204
>>15801100
>>15801105
yeah i dont know why im being such a nigger
f76d5a No.15801620
>>15800445
Jesus Christ please tell me this is bait
fc7d3b No.15801627
>>15800031
>don't blame me
nigger you know how easy it would be for (you) to convert it?
ffmpeg -f gif -i x.gif x.webm
5f2d5b No.15801631
>>15800840
Goldeneye controls nothing like Halo. Goldeneye didn't define the genre either, the entire ps2 era passed by not paying any attention to you nintoddlers.
ea5845 No.15801697
>>15801627
Not blurry version.
eeee30 No.15801707
>>15799999 (checked)
>>15800442
Anon are you the one who keeps making those pictures?
0421fa No.15801790
>>15800134
>>15800164
It's Jewish. So fucking JEWISH.
d89544 No.15801924
>>15800552
>>15800619
Breath of Fire IV, Bomberman 64, Dark Messiah of M&M, and BGDA, are also strong examples.
>>15800862
>"I'm a busy person, I need games to be shorter, no matter how good they are, and can't just play in shorter sessions."
91a9ff No.15801938
>>15801105
Far Cry is especially egregious.
de1938 No.15801974
>RPG
>No roleplaying to be seen
Having stats does not equal an RPG
>Loot drops every 5 seconds
>It's all the same shit, sometimes slightly better
I love games like Diablo because they handle loot drops perfectly, not too many, but not too little, games like Mass Effect just throws you all kinds of shit your way and just fill up your inventory everytime with the same shit.
fc7d3b No.15801992
>>15801697
>3mb
>no sound
>slightly less blurry
whats the point?
b25334 No.15802001
>>15800914
>he just does it anyway, then thinks "wow i became disinterested fast… must be because im depressed or losing interest in games"
Protip: he probably is
I'd know because my depression has killed my interest in games. I recommend the one game that broke through the miasma and kept me interested.
Diagnosis: Play Cata.
d89544 No.15802019
>>15801974
Stats actually are vital for RPGs, and "roleplaying" is something you can do in any genre of game with a perceptible setting.
RPGs are distinguished from other games by the presence of mechanics to specifically facilitate roleplay, which in the case of most RPGs is statistical abstraction separating player skill from character skill.
de1938 No.15802049
>>15802019
>Stats actually are vital for RPGs, and "roleplaying" is something you can do in any genre of game with a perceptible setting.
So then, any game with stats should be considered an RPG? Cause if that's the case, something like Far Cry 3 should be considered one since it has stats as well as an upgrade tree for said stats.
>RPGs are distinguished from other games by the presence of mechanics to specifically facilitate roleplay, which in the case of most RPGs is statistical abstraction separating player skill from character skill.
Exactly, but games with mindless character stats, like strenght, dexterity, and so on, without anything else that facilitates roleplaying, shouldn't be considered an RPG, if a game simply railroads you down a very set path without any say in the matter, what is that for roleplaying? You can narrow down the definition to just the idea of "playing as a character" but by doing that you're just facilitating more games to brand themselves as RPGs based on simply technicalities.
1731c3 No.15802116
>it's shit because turn-based combat
>bullet hells are all repetitive shit because bullet hell is not real level design unlike with traditional obstacles
>not being able to quicksave whenever you want and having to retry anything on death is bad design, not all of us have infinite free time
>if it's not a direct quake or unreal tournament clone then it isn't an arena shooter
>arena level design is inherently bad, anything other than quake/build engine-style level design is an invalid substitute
>limited lives and forcing players to be able to perform well consistently at a stretch of a game rather than completing a single obstacle only once and then never returning to it is antiquated design, there should be checkpoints around every corner
ac3b47 No.15802142
>>15800188
Can you please explain to us how having only one option at any given time increases room for strategy rather than decreasing it?
d89544 No.15802159
>>15802049
My general principle for whether or not something is an RPG is whether player skill or character skill is predominant. In the case of FC3, obviously your skills as an FPS player are much more important than your character's skills as a soldier.
>if a game simply railroads you down a very set path without any say in the matter, what is that for roleplaying?
Such as a roguelike, JRPG, or nearly all 8-bit CRPGs? The ability to play as someone other than yourself, with the primary form of player input being character building.
>You can narrow down the definition to just the idea of "playing as a character"
No, to a game facilitating roleplay in the rules. Think of something like "rules-lite" tabletop "games" such as FATE, or CYOA books/VNs, or something completely lacking in rules like forum RP. Without a game's rules being an integral part of roleplay, it's not an RPG, just you roleplaying pretend free of any structure.
91a9ff No.15802163
>>15802116
All of these fill me with unbridled rage, but the one that gets me the most is
>quicksaves
I fucking hate normalfags. If you don't have time to play games, here's a tip: ==DON'T PLAY GAMES==
67865b No.15802183
>>15802116
>it's shit because turn-based combat
I hate it when people do this. I can understand why some people might not like turn-based combat as a mechanic, but what's been pissing me off recently is that there's a growing number of people who seem to see turn-based combat as an objectively shit game mechanic and a detracting factor from a game dunkey
I don't like a lot of real time strategy games but that's because RTS gameplay isn't really for me. I'm not gonna shit on an entire genre of games just because it's not fun to me. I can perfectly understand why people like RTS games.
d89544 No.15802220
>>15802183
I would actually say that RTSs are significantly dumber than they should be due to fetishizing gookclicker APS micro as a metric of good play. There should be an element of programmability allowing you to set up simple conditional triggers for unit behavior, like in older Tom Clancy games:
>instead of just moving units from one point to another, set up strings of checkpoints and no-go-zones so they move around obstacles without needing ridiculous micromanagement to avoid straying in random directions
>queue orders for multiple units, that can all be activated simultaneously with a keypress
>set queues of orders to be triggered automatically, like when enemy units step into a particular area, or when a particular formation fills up
22a266 No.15802247
>>15802220
The pioneer of gookclick, Starcraft: Brood War, is also one of the games with the highest strategic depth.
Things like being able to duke out scourge, micro a valkyrie back, etc. What counters what, how and why it does. Unfortunately the gookclick works in the favour of Brood War, unlike in SC2, where its tedious upkeep mechanics like larval injection.
cef7f0 No.15802257
>>15800242
NetherRealm is old Midway Games, they were never good at modeling faces.
de1938 No.15802278
>>15802159
>Such as a roguelike, JRPG, or nearly all 8-bit CRPGs? The ability to play as someone other than yourself, with the primary form of player input being character building.
You misunderstand, but then again, I probably did not word it correctly, what I mean is that, an RPG could force you to play as a certain someone (Planescape torment for example) and force you down a very direct path (Wizardry), but as long as I'm free, to play the game as I see fit, to customize my playstyle at least ever so slightly, then that's to me, what makes a good RPG game.
be44f1 No.15802291
>>15802183
Eh, I personally can't into most turn based shit because it personally pisses me off that I can't dodge at all without specific stat shit that's not likely to be found anywhere in the game and the story/world in most turn based games I've tried were either too fucking LONG AND DRAWN OUT WITH NO GAMEPLAY FOR SEVERAL MINUTES AT A TIME or were just fucking boring or dull to me. I think the only turn based game that I found myself actually unironically enjoyed was Lisa: the Painful. It just felt good to input commands in patterns to unleash a special attack, and the animations and sounds complimented everything. Maybe it's because Lisa wasn't trying to hard, and it was self-contained and attention was payed to things that AAA devs look over.
d89544 No.15802312
>>15802278
Ah. That feels like a viable opinion to me, though it might cut away games with very linear character progression that I would still refer to as RPGs, such as Final Fantasy VI or Summoner.
A fuzzier area for RPG definition, in my opinion, is tactical games (X-Com, Silent Storm, Jagged Alliance, 7.62mm, etc.) that include levelups for individual units. Aside from vague "I know it when I see it" bullshit, the strongest distinction I can think of is units being disposable and replaceable, or maybe "your" character being a commander rather than the units under your command.
e60a88 No.15802318
>>15800862
This isn't mine, but a friend's experience
>Him and coworker talking about vidya
>Coworker asked him what was good
>Friend tells him he really enjoyed X-Com 2 and that he should look up some gameplay videos if he wants to try it
>Coworker doesn't do that
>Coworker goes and buys the game sight unseen from FUCKING GAMESTOP
>Doesn't even bother with the tutorial
>Sets the game to the hardest difficulty
>Naturally loses, gets mad, and returns the game
Nigger didn't even know he needed to reload his guns so his units ended up standing around doing nothing.
>>15802183
Not to get into e-celeb shit, but Dunkey's problem with turn-based games isn't necessarily the turn-based part. He did like Persona 5 and Undertale afterall, and it didn't seem to be an issue for him when he played Lisa. His problem seems more so to be pacing. I haven't played Octopath Traveler yet to know if he was being retarded, but his problem with that was getting into fights that last too long, aren't interesting, and pop up all the time.
Maybe I'd have to re-watch some of these videos, but that seemed to be the problem and not turn-based combat itself. Though it does seem to be an inherent negative to him that must be overcome by something else.
c11522 No.15802372
>>15802318
>Doesn't even bother with the tutorial
>Sets the game to the hardest difficulty
The problem is you can do that with 90% of all AAA modern vidya and still do well.
1731c3 No.15802378
>>15800188
Two-weapon limits having you strategize more is flat-out meme. In practice the only thing that happens is that the developer will just place the weapons most suitable for the next situation in the beaten path, so it's not like you even get much of a choice. And even when you do get a selection of a large variety of weapons of which you can only carry two before nearly every big fight, then you might as well carry them all to save you the hubbub of going back and forth to switch weapons.
It also puts a massive dent on weapon variety as your basic guns need to be good all-around since you only have two to work with, where the second one is usually a situational weapon, leading to a standard assault rifle/situational weapon set-up that's pretty common in a lot of two-weapon limit games. Consider the enemy variety in these types of games, an assault rifle is all you really need most of the time. Call of Duty is pretty much identical assault rifles fucking everywhere with its standard hitscan grunts everywhere. The general approach to weapon loadouts here is to just pick the best weapons, which is usually some form of assault rifle again. And normally you always get tons of ammo for the assault rifle rather than the special weapons because every grunt drops assault rifle ammo, so hey.
The only times two-weapon limits actually worked is in Halo, and Halo is a special case because its weapon/enemy balance cannot be easily replicated everywhere (in terms of narrative anyways). In Halo it worked because enemies had specific resistances and weaknesses to damage types and because there was a good variety of enemies, there was a good variety of vastly different weapons which were more effective against certain enemy types, and when pit against encounters with several different enemy types you gotta strategize. This also works because you're not given fucktons of ammo for any particular weapon type because enemy ammo type drops aren't randomized and the large enemy roster means a good variety of weapons is dropped, so you find yourself switching up weapons regardless of what you intend to do. The assault rifle isn't the end-all be-all in Halo unlike most two-weapon limit shooters, because the AR in Halo is fucking dogshit to begin with.
With a more loose ammo economy you need to be able to carry three weapons minimum so you don't feel overly restrained or fall into the old AR/situational weapon pattern. With one all-rounder weapon and two slots for power weapons the level designers are less restricted in how they can place more situational power weapons around the level, as the player is also given sufficient space to experiment with loadouts, so if one power weapon is useless you are more likely to have another on your person which does suit the situation without having to fall back to your all-rounder assault rifle again, so the player is less likely to pass over power weapons because they're bound to be useless in most situations.
bc8c9f No.15802406
d89544 No.15802495
>>15802378
>The assault rifle isn't the end-all be-all in Halo unlike most two-weapon limit shooters, because the AR in Halo is fucking dogshit to begin with.
That was the result of a design oversight inherited from Marathon, which was specifically addressed in Halo 2 by reskinning the pistol as a rifle, and the AR as an SMG pistol. Retaining a gimped pistol for nostalgiafags to cling on was their big mistake.
For Marathon, where the pistols and underbarrel grenade launcher were obviously your main weapons, with the AR's primary fire just being a convenient stunlock, Bungie's customerbase at the time were intelligent enough to recognize this fact.
abf986 No.15802591
Actions like climbing, swinging, jumping and sliding being made into contextual actions you may perform only at very specific points
781bb0 No.15802605
>>15800241
Because you were never forced to interact with others.
Raids and ganking was how you were forced to interact in World of Warcraft
Some MMO's have your interaction happen through clan systems.
Ironically enough Fallout 76 did this with forced voice chat. didn't really do much to stop people from playing by themselves though.
I feel like if MMO's went to Twitch and used the gravitas of their fans to have big events on an MMO then you could see some large scale teamwork on MMOs. Basically Team Shroud vs Team Ninja.
a4eafb No.15802713
>>15800914
>had a friend in middle school
>both us were not the best, but had a lot of fun playing fighting and other challenging games
>encouraged each other to get better at said games whenever we hung out
>had decent taste in games at the time
>years passed, a lot of shit happened to the both us
>finally get a chance to visit him where he lives now
>knew he was struggling quite a bit. tried to help him out when I could, but could only do so much with the distance between us
>see his shitty living situation as a deadbeat, and over the course of the visit realize that he's willingly doing this to himself to ignore his depression and to not sacrifice time playing games and enjoying what he wants to enjoy at the moment.
>the groups that he hangs out with encourage his lifestyle, giving him little to no motivation to improve his life
>his tastes and skills have dramatically dropped due to playing nothing but AAA/hyped games and enjoying normalfag shit
>gets really pissed at me being able to beat him at the games we played (both from our past and modern ones) despite my much busier life and having less time playing games
>eventually get into an argument about how modern games have become shit and are only supported by those who fall for the hype and marketing
>he replies "Dude hype is half the fun of the game."
>My soul after hearing my friend say this
I don't talk with him much anymore. He hasn't changed since then and shows no sign of wanting to even put the effort in to change. Seeing friends fall like that is indeed difficult.
936e6e No.15802781
>game's vanilla is fucking awful
>has glitchy problems
>or was created by sjws
<"it is better with mods tho!!"
I hate niggers who try to salvage a shitty game that was never inherently enjoyable in the first place.
a0d5a5 No.15802782
>>15800164
>That was disgusting.
That's the whole joke. Welcome to lowbrow kike humor.
6f548f No.15802874
>>15800245
>procedurally generated
>it doesn't generate actual content
7989cb No.15802877
9ee83f No.15803054
>dude, tank controls were only used due to technological limitations
this pisses me off to no end, classic resi would be nowhere as tense/"scary" if you had full 3d control over the pc
same with classic tomb raider, it would be nowhere near as challenging
eae5dc No.15803077
>>15803054
>pic
Doesn't that have more to do with fixed camera angles than tank controls?
9ee83f No.15803097
>>15803077 (checked)
yeah but I'd also add that fixed (or sh style dynamic cam) is better for horror games
d59b14 No.15803131
>>15799972
Protip; people only say that ironically/specifically to piss retards off. Even the biggest underagefags know what Doom/Quake/Half-Life are. You got caught in their b8
Do you also think pic related is being serious?
233fd2 No.15803154
>>15799999
Freaking checked my dude!
cb0ab0 No.15803259
>>15802019
I see Josh hasn't been the same since Drake left.
46300c No.15803267
>>15803131
>people only say that ironically/specifically to piss retards off.
People USED to say it unironically, then all the underagefags saying it grew up.
6f548f No.15803357
>>15803131
>dawn of history
fucking wew
d89544 No.15803427
>>15803267
This. I am seeing more and more people that unironically think Halo wasn't cancer. I even saw a Zelda thread just recently full of (some trolls, FAR too many for there not to be some sincere though) hipsters defending SS as superior to (and the game is certainly flawed compared to all the mainstream adulation it's getting, but it's mediocre at worst, compared to the abysmal failure that was SS) BoTW.
cfada2 No.15803491
>land a perfect headshot
>land a perfect stealth kill
>enemies take critical damage instead of dying cos muh shoehorned RPG mechanics
48d8cf No.15803533
>>15801620
nah it's legit gramps
9b055c No.15803670
>>15800016
>noticing, paying attention to, and caring about file size
Why do fags like (you) exist?
d577d6 No.15803706
>>15803131
This meme gets more cancerous every time I see it. It's wonderful.
29bac1 No.15803750
>>15799972
>RNG based crutches that help bad players in situations where they should be dead thus reinforcing bad plays
Can you guess the game and the game mechanic?
>one game in a series has a bunch of cool features
>next game in said series has even more features added but removes some of the older features for no reason at all
A bunch of game series have done this.
>Rewarding the team with a damage boost/other buffs thus creating a steamrolling effect just because they scored a point or capped a flag/objective
It's the same game as the first point, can you guess the game?
>steamling games to gather more players by removing game-defining features and mechanics
>even though those players never played or liked those games in the first place.
This is less of a "vidya shit that pisses you off" that is to do with the games themselves and more to do with the people who have moved in/coopted my once beloved hobby.
>recommend old vidya titles to someone that they should at least play/try once in their lives
<they say nah
>ask them why
>mention how they always complain about the current state of modern vidya past the '07 mark
<cant explain their reasoning or find fault with your points
OR
<they never attempt to even play their massive library backlog of games that they themselves bought
These are usually steamfags
>they just go back to playing the exact same multiplayer that theyve played for years on end
This is made more ironic considering that people like this always complain about how stale/bad their said multiplayer game is eg cod, halo, ASSFAGGOTS, etc, etc. Yet they don't want an actual good vidya without of the modern day nickel and dime practices that are commonplace today.
Another one regarding the types of players you find in this industry:
>has only played double digits worth of games and doesnt want to expand their tastes or experiences
>thinks theyre more than just a casual vidya hobbyist
The modern vidya industry and your modern consumerist really do deserve each other.
29bac1 No.15803758
>>15803267
I see you are a man of truth,
e360f1 No.15803792
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>>15800301
I can deal with unskippable cutscenes because I can just go grab a snack or use the bathroom while I'm waiting… what I can't stand are forced walking segments.
f19491 No.15803803
>data collection required for an offline game
>microtransactions being defended as not a detriment to the game
>wordfilters that aren't even for swear words
>>15803097
>>15803054
I've never felt this to be the case. In fact, having fixed camera angles and poor control tends to ruin any potential fear I could have had. May as well be watching a horror film at that point.
3ff734 No.15803821
>>15800223
What's the name of this game?
29bac1 No.15803834
>>15803821
It's in the title of the file, m8. Use your brain.
29bac1 No.15803837
>>15803834
and that anon even mentions the name of the game in his post too.
e1c4e7 No.15803840
>"CHECK OUT HOW I DRESSED UP MY TOON, ANON!"
abf986 No.15803851
>>15803792
RDR2 is stupid as shit with this. It's like every little fucking moment of a mission has to constantly script your movements.
e1c4e7 No.15803858
>>15803851
>not using cinematic view to autopilot the horse while you grab a drink or take a piss
9cdd46 No.15803955
i fucking hate a low fov and the people that try to justify it piss me off when they come in with the whole "oh, It doesn't bother me." bullshit. It's like walking into a cancer center and loudly exclaiming that cancer does not bother you. Good for you but there's no reason to act like a faggot over it.
>>15800264
>Welcome to /v/ where people are too dumb to understand Doom's plot. Doom guy dies at the end of episode 1. Episode 2 takes place in Hell where he goes after he dies.
that's what actually happened but In my mind I like to imagine he was dead the entire time, just some marine that died like any old regular soldier might. What looked like an overrun facility in episode 1 was really a tailored version of hell suited for a soldier with the idea being no matter how fun it might be eventually that very thing will be the punishment, maximized by the lost hope that the day could ever have been saved. Maybe he himself never even realized it. I Imaginet the abstract weird levels were like they were not because that's how everyone made levels at the time but because they were hell's fucked up perception of a normal place.
68a936 No.15803965
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>Enemies don't flash red or white when they take damage
Fuck you game devs, do it right, like vid related.
057c49 No.15803995
>>15800134
The more the jews push this disgusting kike shit the more normalfags wake up and fight back
c83c6c No.15804040
>>15804014
oh i fucked up with not specifying pxlfmt
ffmpeg -r 10 -i ss.gif -vsync 0 -movflags faststart -pix_fmt yuv420p -c:v libx264 -preset placebo -crf 16 ssss.mp4
pause
ad2858 No.15804048
>>15800641
Retarded. You should play MGS3 before you play MGS and you should play AC: Zero before you play AC: 5 and you should play 5 before you play 4 because chronologically that's how the game's stories go.
>>15800914
Dude probably just grew up. Most vidya is for children anyway.
0fc56f No.15804141
>Game series I like gets a new entry
>Compared to the older entries it's extremely watered down, less fun to play and adds casualisations that make aspects of the game braindead.
>New fans eat this shit up
>"I can't go back to the older outdated games in the series"
>Company then goes back and remakes the older games in this new god awful style
>"See how much better the older games are like this anon"
Honestly have too many examples of this and it makes my blood fucking boil.
e60a88 No.15804165
>>15803955
You may have no intention of playing this trash, but I though you'd enjoy how angry this makes you.
>Warframe devstream
>PR manager is reading off questions people have for the team
>Someone asked for more FoV options
>Fatfuck who has no fucking clue about his own game blurts out
<"They want it EVEN MORE fisheyed!?"
000000 No.15804180
>>15800221
Why? It is more fun to ruin other people's game than to play it, when dealing with MMOs.
>>15800241
Aside from trolling, as i said above, most people simply don't like strangers and don't feel any fun playing with strangers. The whole formula is an illusion. You gather a bunch of strangers, and then human nature kicks in, and nobody wants to play with each other if they don't know each other personally.
Only the most lonely/broken/free timer cares to play with people that he doesn't even know.
f19491 No.15804216
>>15800442
I think I found your deviantart page
ac9191 No.15804278
>normal criticism a game (I don't like X)
<"wow real edgy"
This unironically triggers me. How can one word like edgy just not mean anything anymore in the current age? How the fuck is criticizing a game edgy just because it's well liked? It's not like I ranted and raved like a madman and I give my reasons.
9ab1b9 No.15804294
>>15803750
>>RNG based crutches that help bad players in situations where they should be dead thus reinforcing bad plays
Oh, hi, overfag, still mad that TF2 hasn't bent over to you faggots and that not every MP game under the sun tries to be competitive cancer? Shouldn't you be at cuckchan /vg/ or something?
29bac1 No.15804310
>>15804294
>Oh, hi, overfag
I have no idea what you're on about or why you're talking about /vg/.
f3c43e No.15804317
>>15800549
YOU DO HAVE A PHONE RIGHT?
eb834d No.15804319
>>15800445
I know everything here except kahoot, the fuck is kahoot
f3c43e No.15804322
>>15804319
new learning game all the gen z fags are playing in schools
d89544 No.15804325
>>15804294
Throwing random chance into a skill-based FPS absolutely is cancer, though. The reason it's okay to make fun of Smash players for complaining about items is because Smash is just a dumb party game to begin with.
Out of curiosity for what you're talking about, though, why would an Overwatch player complain about casualization mechanics?
f3c43e No.15804327
>>15801992
>every webm has to have sound
eb834d No.15804329
>>15804322
Doesn't really explain it, is it school software or just some trash like fortnite?
29bac1 No.15804341
>>15804325
>Out of curiosity for what you're talking about, though, why would an Overwatch player complain about casualization mechanics?
Hit the nail on the. Overwatch has massive hitboxes and press a button to win abilities. I don't even own that shit game, but I'm some how an "overfag"? Wew, ok.
9ab1b9 No.15804347
>>15804310
You weren't complaining about TF2's Random Crits? Because that part reminded me of certain e-celeb faggot.
cb809d No.15804368
>game has things to do after you beat the main quest
>have to sit through 15 minutes of unskippable credits animations
>game is made to be able to be played in sp and mp
>can't pause in sp
29bac1 No.15804369
>>15804347
>someone on reddit complains about random crits thefore that means youre reddit because you have a similar complaint
I've got nothing more to say to you, fam.
eb834d No.15804384
>>15804342
>education systems have devolved into "input correct information at correct time"
Woops, there goes civilization.
9ab1b9 No.15804396
>>15804369
No? I just posted that pic as an example of compnigger retardation. What exactly is this RNG Crutch you were talking about then?
>>15804325
Fine, then you can always go play on the many nocrit servers or play competitive. But what these faggots want is to completely remove random crits from TF2, and after Valve starts listening to these faggots, what would go next? Remove/Nerf Übercharges? "Balance" unlocks into being skin swaps for basic weapons? Remove many maps and content from the game that was deemed ""unbalanced""? All of that just so that esport gooks and soulless esport faggots can just have another bland competitive game.
My point is that TF2 is one of the few last alive MP games that hasn't bent it's ass to the e-sports no fun allowed cancer, and that random crits are the perfect scarecrow for overwatch refugees trying to shape TF2 into whatever they want.
d89544 No.15804419
>>15804396
All of those other things merely modulate play, altering its contours in ways that can be reacted to through proper application of skill. Crits, on the other hand, are literally just adding noise to the signal, reducing the skill ceiling.
To go in the other direction, I am among the (apparently few) defenders of randomness in strategic games such as Battle for Wesnoth, because having a massive offensive fail or a strong unit mangled/obliterated is merely a setback that alters the situation, demanding you plan ahead to make room in your schemes for such failures, as you have many units under your control spread across the map in key chokepoints and routes.
In something like TF2, though, it merely dulls the importance of headshots, randomly causes you to respawn sometimes, and occasionally gives you a freebie kill.
68a058 No.15804420
>>15804396
Post your total playtime you f2p niggerscum.
29bac1 No.15804443
>>15804419
Or gives unskilled plays kills when they shouldn't have got them. That sped mentions finding no-crit servers, but that's basically impossible, since the newish matchmaking system has killed off a lot of the good old community servers that weren't shit. Hell, if anything turning off random krits, would probably incentivize more kritzkrieg use, which actually requires skill and team coordination. I'll never understand people who want to casualize games that are about skill. TF2 is literally based off a mod for fucking Quake, imagine having random x3 damage in Quake.
e93e72 No.15804460
>>15804384
>education systems have devolved into "input correct information as soon as possible, relying on pure reflex than comprehension
Fixed - or worsened, rather.
227a6c No.15804479
>>15804384
Gotta lower standards so niggers have a chance of graduating.
9ee83f No.15804929
>>15803803
ok, what's the scariest/creepiest game you've played? i can't think of anything scarier than those classic re's/silent hills
last horror game i played was alien isolation and it was boring as shit, good atmosphere but it failed (imo) mechanically, same with outlast/amnesia, they seem spooky but once you're used to the mechanics it's a doddle to play through
btw tank controls/fixed camera angles probably aren't the be all end all for horror games but honestly, i haven't played anything since that makes me that tense
9bddb0 No.15805185
>>15800223
fucking this
>play stealth game
>gives you an array of gadgets equipment and guns
>but you cant use any of it and are forced to either ghost or use ranged non-lethal
they could atleast let people use a silenced lethal pistol
9bddb0 No.15805210
>new game in an old series gets made
>despite being made with modern technology it only has better graphics but none of the features and complexities of the older games
>people keep saying how it went back to its roots and is just like the most popular entry in the series that came out a decade ago
>game is heavily casualised with the worst elements of modern games thrown in to make it accessable
0421fa No.15805231
>>15802220
You want some SupCom.
900b63 No.15805244
>>15802291
You're not supposed to stop playing a turn based game when it's not your turn, you're supposed to analyse your opponent's moves and planning out your next moves.
If a turn based game doesn't leave enough for you to think about while out of turn, it's a bad turn based game.
That doesn't mean games being turn based is bad, it just means it needs to focus more on strategic or tactical depth to be a good game than other games do.
fc7d3b No.15805259
>>15800338
>I'd been playing since the original Interplay games
>didn't drop the series after Bethesda fucked it up
>fell for the New Vegas was "Good" meme
(pic related)
>>15804040
good work but I can't spare the 677,840 bytes on an ebin meme that makes Christ look like Satan.
fc7d3b No.15805263
>>15804327
no the point is if you are going to make such a large webm you might as well add a soundtrack.
9ee83f No.15805265
>>15805210
the doom one really does my tits in
>much slower movement
>health/ammo drops from enemies
>press "X" to GLORY KILL!
>arena only fights
>a tacked on upgrade system
<so glad they brought back og doom guys, right?
music's shite as well, i mean it's alright but it suits quake more than doom
no thrash metal
fc7d3b No.15805282
>>15805265
the trash art design, arena fights and Snap map is what hurts the most. While its not classic doom I can sorta understand the "push forward" combat system, glory kills and ammo/health drops because they all work in harmony but the area fights and Snap map is unforgivable. Bethesda was never good but it got a pass because it gave there fans the tools to fix their shit games. Now that Bethesda (and by proxy ID software) decided to jew the Mod makers their is no hope.
9ee83f No.15805310
>>15805282
>I can sorta understand the "push forward" combat system, glory kills and ammo/health drops because they all work in harmony
i sadly understand it too but my issue is that's literally the only way to play, og doom you can take your time, exploring the map etc. or if you're skillfull enough just blast through maps (with much greater speed), the "pushing forward" aspect would get you killed in og doom whereas in nu-doom it's the only legitimate playstyle.
it's the movement speed, lack of enemies on-screen and arena shit that really get me
and i'm not too bothered cause i can stick pantera on and play doom1/2 whenever but just hearing people say "it's a return to form" really annoys me
>the trash art design
yeah i didn't care for that either, the demon's looked retarded
also the quirky humour/DOOMSLAYER IS A BADASS, told through shitty cutscenes instead of gameplay
fc7d3b No.15805330
>>15805310
The thing is nuDoom is for consuls and the "push forward" system was designed around a gamepad. And in that context it works. Halo really truly fucked the FPS genre. I am just hoping that the improvement of supplementary motion controls for fine tuned aiming (examples Gravity Rush and NuDoom on Switch) allow gamepads to transcend to kb/mouse levels so the FPS can finally return to glory.
9ee83f No.15805352
>>15805330
no more cacos to share .(
yeah you're not wrong although og doom is fine with a controller believe it or not (forced to use one at the minute),
i can't comment on the motion controls as i've never used them but fair enough
>Halo really truly fucked the FPS genre
lol it really did, i played it for the first time a few nights ago (original pc port) and it's completely shite, slow movement, 2 weapon limit .. you know the script
9bddb0 No.15805510
>>15805265
i cant wait till NUDOOM eternal comes out and there are endless shill threads about it for months
9ee83f No.15805527
>>15805444 (checked)
very nice
9ee83f No.15805534
>>15805510
but dude, didn't you see the grappling hook? and the extra glory kills! just like og doom xD! gonna be lit af bruh
ef07fd No.15805536
>>15805534
Nobody should want doom 2016 or its sequel to be more like the original doom. We already have 4 games that are just that plus countless mods, maps and wads.
9ee83f No.15805543
>>15805536
then why call it doom? don't answer that ;')
it's just annoying people think that's the doom experience when it's not.
you're right though there's a shit ton of mods still being made to keep the originals alive
6496f2 No.15805547
>>15805536
I really hate this argument, It's already ruined far to many games looks at resi2 remake.
9bddb0 No.15805548
>>15805536
>nobody should want dormant IPs to be anything like the games before them
i just wanted doom but in 3D, but instead i got a game that has nothing to do with doom or plays like it, doom 2k16 and eternal feel more like brutal doom 3D
d89544 No.15805557
>>15805210
4th pic is nothing new, it's been that way since the original Wolfenstein in Germany
>>15805548
Sadly, closest to that I think we're ever gonna get is Doom 64.
9bddb0 No.15805575
>>15805557
>in germany
i hate germany, and its my only pic of nufenstein
>doom64
it was pretty good, shame they never reused any of the enemies or weapons into doom 3
000000 No.15805665
>>15804396
Some guys suggested tht Valve should bring casual compettitive where there isn't any ranks, but the gamemode is the same as competitive with no crits and no random spreads.
8c5916 No.15805718
>>15805185
You're never forced to go pure stealth in MGSV. It definitely penalizes you for killing and getting caught, so it does discourage all of them fun weapons and a good deal of gadgets. But if you play well enough and fast enough you can still S rank.
b04271 No.15805825
>>15803851
It wasn't so bad in the latter part of the game, especially when you reach Mexico, but then again that's when the game starts getting its content cut
1ed48d No.15805883
>>15803965
But anon, the right way to do it is like Splatterhouse 3 where the enemy visibly becomes more disfigured instead of just lazy flashing colors.
fc7d3b No.15805884
>>15805510
The number of Bethesda drones on /v/ is actually remarkable. Ironic Tod posting was a mistake. There are actually people here who defend shit like Morrowind, Daggerfall, Oblivion and New Vegas. The number of crypto Bethesda shill threads at times is unreal.
9bddb0 No.15806024
>>15805718
TPP is the only game where you are forced to go stealth only, f you dont you cant get better soldiers for your base and cant get any new equipment, you are locked out of most of the content if you dont fulton every soldier you see
>>15805884
>fallout nuvegas
i never get why this was praised by everyone despite being fallout3+ with a cowboy totalconversion mod
d89544 No.15806098
>>15803965
You can definitely go too far, like Quake's *HONK* *HONK* *HONK* hit confirmation.
>>15806024
Because without NV, we never would've gotten to play even a fraction of Van Buren unless some sort of fan project like:
https://www.moddb.com/games/f3-van-buren
actually got finished
>>15806055
>NV is a step down from 1/2
Sure
>NV isn't a titanic improvement on 3 by every possible metric
Trying a bit too hard
839582 No.15806106
>>15802116
>it's shit because turn-based combat
>implying turn-based combat isn't shit
<having to watch the same long, drawn out attack animations
<unleash big-shit-go-boom attack point blank in the enemy's face
<Attack Missed
<enemy impotently slaps you
<Critical Hit! Your character has died!
47bcd1 No.15806179
669290 No.15806210
>>15806055
>words words words words words
okay buckley
f4271b No.15806223
>>15805884
>Morrowind and Daggerfall are bad
669290 No.15806248
>>15805534
>yep, og doom was a good game
0f78f8 No.15806296
>>15806106
x-com
jrpgs are shit though
543986 No.15806317
>>15805884
Morrowind, Daggerfall, and New Vegas are great games, anon. I think you just have terminally shit taste.
6f548f No.15806318
>>15806248
You said it, bro!
eae5dc No.15806339
>>15806106
>superficial shit that isn't actually part of turn based combat
ad2858 No.15806374
>>15806318
that was so based I saw it on r/the_donald, fellow meme war veteren
5bf986 No.15806459
>>15806296
<Attack Missed
<enemy impotently slaps you
<Critical Hit! Your character has died!
Sounds just like xcom
499533 No.15806468
>>15806361
>Jumping like Neo through building roofs to avoid the police
>Killing guards from the sky while riding your pegasus
>Getting killed because an intangible ghost pushed you to your doom
>A skillful mage/thief didn't train on swordship and got owned by a rat
All those vids are awesome. You don't have a point.
9bddb0 No.15806485
>>15806468
nah the game is just bad bro, trust me i played the unity port
d89544 No.15806565
>>15806248
Doom/Wolf3D was a good game, but I unironically feel it was among the most harmful games ever made for the overall direction of gaming. Imagine if Looking Glass's Ultima Underworld and System Shock had been the FPS everyone cloned, the genre would've skipped ahead 20 years in terms of technology, design, and sophistication. The only good game that comes ahead of that in my mind for doing more harm was Myst obliterating the adventure genre.
>>15806296
Are there any JRPGs that allow you to skip attack animations, replace camera scrolling/rotation with cuts, and bunch together AI moves, to make play go Sanic fast the way any civilized western TB game can?
eae5dc No.15806588
>>15806565
>Are there any JRPGs that allow you to skip attack animations, replace camera scrolling/rotation with cuts, and bunch together AI moves, to make play go Sanic fast the way any civilized western TB game can?
Firat two are pretty common. What do you mean by bunching together AI moves?
d89544 No.15806704
>>15806588
When it's the AI's turn, all of them do their thing at once.
eae5dc No.15806727
>>15806704
Radiant Historia is the only one I know that has that, but it definitely doesn't have fast combat
0f78f8 No.15806808
>>15806459
good thing i was talking about x-com instead.
>>15806565
probably not
159ff6 No.15806825
>>15800016
>Short graphic with no sound
<Let's make it a webm
Fuck you and fags like you. Webms and mp4s should be for videos with audio and/or something to watch. I hate seeing these fucking webms that would do better as gifs.
d89544 No.15806867
>>15806825
>do better as gifs.
GIF is an interframe-only format, moreover one that's incapable of compressing non-flat-color imagery such as the animation in question. WebM/MP4 is completely superior except in a handful of cases where you want to a lossless flat-color bitmap animation in which case you should be using animated PNG instead of GIF.
159ff6 No.15806884
>>15806867
>Techinical mumbo-jumbo
Sorry, pal. I don't know what that shit means, but what I do know is that a big fucking play button in the middle of the image is annoying. gifs also load faster.
d89544 No.15806911
>>15806884
>gifs also load faster
>>15799982
>.gif
>5.45 MB
>>15801627
>.webm
>322.16 KB
159ff6 No.15807039
>>15806911
>Click on gif
>it instantly plays
<click on webm
<wait three seconds for the thing to load
I don't actually download these things, mate. webms are just a more annoying format in terms of ui sense, especially when fewer frames are involved.
29bac1 No.15807077
>>15806511
>not realizing the first pic is ironic shitposting
Hownew.ru
d89544 No.15807115
>>15807039
Both start playing before they finish loading, which is faster for WebM/MP4 due to their smaller filesize, and while there's no autoplay on click option for videos on 8chan, there is a "play videos on hover" option that autoplays without the need to even click. Anyway, I find the way GIFs/PNGs load much more annoying:
>starts loading
>immediately plays each frame as it loads
>very slow, wrong framerate
>to watch it at the normal framerate, have to wait until it finishes once and loops over again
>no controls to pause or scrub
f7c653 No.15807154
>>15806565
In terms of a heavy focus on story and slow paced gameplay, modern games are much closer to SS1 than Doom and it's clones ever were.
Problem is System Shock was actually, you know, a well made game that didn't try to babysit you.
d89544 No.15807233
>>15807154
If you're referring to the constant blight of Halo/CoD:MW console FPSs, I think those aren't based off UU or SS, but instead another good but very harmful game: Half Life.
Valve bears primary responsibility for pushing linear levels broken up by prescripted setpieces and pseudo-interactive not!cutscenes as an acceptable design structure for FPS campaigns.
58d56e No.15807497
>>15805352
>>15805330
I remember when Halo was heavily hyped as a revolutionary FPS during development (in game magazines and such) when Bungie was independent, and it honestly did look like a huge step in computer FPSes, but it all vanished after Microsoft bought them. From then on it was just about the XBox, and everything about the game was built around it.
I bought Halo anyway when it came out on PC, hoping for something decent, but it was one of the most sloppy and boring FPSes I'd ever played. The gunplay was terrible and it just felt awful to play. I think I played for about an hour and never touched it again.
>>15799999 ✓ ✓ ✓ ✓
22d5ee No.15807533
Here's a hate nugget for everyone, from motherfucking Getty Images of all places. It just really irks me how tone deaf media outlets are to fucking video games of all things.
ea5845 No.15807551
>>15804040
WebM is better.
78dd94 No.15807554
>"Times are changing, what do you mean the previous game is better in every way that's just dumb because the new game is like uhh newer"
9ee83f No.15807570
>>15807497
>The gunplay was terrible and it just felt awful to play. I think I played for about an hour and never touched it again
yeah there was no punch to them at all, and combat just never seemed to flow well
the missions/levels were so drawn out too
i only every played h2 and 3 on release (360) and found them decent but they're probably shite too
923e48 No.15807683
>>15800633
Nigger the word being used is "defined", not "innovated". It doesn't mean shit which game did whatever thing before Halo, Halo was the game that everyfuckingbody was copying. I've never even played a single second of any Halo game, but I'm not retarded enough to deny Halo set the new standard for the genre when it came out. For better or for worse.
f15cfd No.15807724
>>15807533
>wow something controlled by jews pushes only the jewish narrative
>I am surprised by this
95aa7b No.15807738
>>15807533
>hate nugget
>just really irks me
>tone deaf
<Translation: I am offended by this
Go back to your safe space, faggot.
22d5ee No.15807752
>>15807738
>>15807724
Here's your (You) and your (1) and who the fuck said I was triggered or offended, you son-of-your-uncle mongoloid motherfucker? I said it irks me how tone deaf the media is when it comes to videogames.
eb834d No.15807777
>>15807533
Is that what I think it is in the recommended images
95aa7b No.15807791
>>15807752
>who the fuck said I was triggered
Only you.
>or offended
Both of us.
>I said it irks me how tone deaf
Yes, I quoted that.
22d5ee No.15807825
>>15807777
Nice quads. And what do you think it is?
e5f83e No.15807831
>Fantasy game with beast people
>game has romancing elements
>can't woo beast people
Why do they do this?
2c8b1b No.15807880
>>15799972
>"Halo defined the FPS genre."
Halo was very unique when CE first came out and still to this day in fact the majority of the Halo games are actually very unique to the FPS genre. Just because other companies took ideas such as the grenade button, melee button, health regen and two weapon limit does not mean that Halo isn't unique anymore. No other console FPS better combined all of these elements than the classic Halo games (1-3 and to a lesser extent ODST). Bungie knew exactly how to make a console FPS work with a limited controller and hardware in mind. So Halo did at least revolutionize FPS to a degree but mostly with some of its mechanics that almost every FPS today borrows at least one thing from it. I will never get idiots that hate Halo unless they were FPS fans well before Halo and preferred even older style FPS games.
22d5ee No.15807910
>>15807880
>Just because other companies took ideas such as the grenade button, melee button, health regen
You think Halo was the first to do any of those things? Really?
2d9b43 No.15807914
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>15807497
>I remember when Halo was heavily hyped as a revolutionary FPS during development
I recall it was going to be a TPS, with vast environments and emphasis on online team multiplayer. Man, what could have been.
2c8b1b No.15807917
>>15807910
Doesn't matter. What matters is that it popularized it and gets the credit for these things. I can't for the life of me understand why so many hate on Halo for.
cc52b6 No.15807923
>>15807917
it's pc fags who got fucked over by bungie and started hating on gaylo 3
22d5ee No.15807940
>>15807917
But I don't hate Halo. I never said I did. But when people said it "defined the FPS genre," you can tell it was their first FPS, because something has to be first to define it. And Halo was far from the first FPS. It may have redefined the FPS genre, but there were ten years worth of games in which you pewpew enemies from a first person perspective before it, so to say it defined the entire genre is misinformed at best, and balls-kicking willfully stupid at worst.
080efd No.15807941
>>15807917
> gets the credit for these things
From kids whose first console was an xbox and game "journalists" (read hipsters who cant even get past the tutorial in Cuphead) who dont know better.
f15cfd No.15807950
>>15807752
>you told the truth that means you are a shill
You're a goddamn idiot. Jews control the media. Jews control the industry. They only do what jews want. Period. End of story. Either actually get mad enough to do something or quit fucking whining about it, you goddamn pussy. There is no "tone deaf." There is COMMUNIST PROPAGANDA and "WE ONLY CREATE WHAT WE WANT YOU TO SEE." Fuck off.
eb834d No.15807964
>>15807825
>>15807835
help i only meant to get the quints
22d5ee No.15807965
>>15807914
I remember that too, and I remember me and my friends scratching our heads when we found out that Microsoft scrapped the original PC idea so they could use it as a launch title for the Xbox.
2c8b1b No.15807996
>>15807940
My point isn't wrong though. No other game before Halo took all of its elements and combined it into a successful FPS for consoles. Everything from the slower paced movement meant to compliment a more limited controller, to the health regen due to said slower movement, which also all complimented the versatility you get with the grenade/melee/gun combo, etc. The games were pretty damn ahead of their time and the success of the franchise proves how well it all clicked with people at least for awhile until the sprint/ads military type of FPS took over.
58d56e No.15808002
>>15807914
Yeah, the huge environments with vehicles and the teamplay were the big things. I remember my friends and I were so excited for it. I knew when it came out eventually for PC that it wasn't nearly going to be the game I expected but I thought it would be somewhat decent. It ended up being so boring and unfun it was one of the few games in my youth that I bought but never finished.
080efd No.15808004
>>15807996
I guess dumbing down games and selling it to the lowest common denominator is a thing now, but Blizzard did it first.
2c8b1b No.15808017
>>15808004
Its not dumbing down. Halo games were great. Many even wanted H3 on PC for the longest time.
d89544 No.15808095
>>15807497
>>15807914
Coming off Marathon in particular, I really liked the feel of it. Melee that packed a punch, an arsenal of weapons that all felt unique and well balanced, the ability to interrupt reload and weapon switch animations, enemy squad AI (Flood aside) that was really nice, semi-randomized enemy placement, cool enemy designs, lots of air control in low-G jumps, vehicles that controlled great with keyboard & mouse I played the Mac port, even the two-weapon limit and recharging health were at least unusual following Oni's design.
The core combat mechanics of the original open world Starsiege/Battlefield/Enemy Territory-style game were still there, and they were great, the problem was the game they were plugged into. Linear levels instead of a persistent nonlinear guerilla warfare campaign, no triple-digit playercap online coop multiplayer story campaign, no mountains of text to read through in fact, barely any cutscenes!, nearly all of the cool animals/monsters/etc that would've filled out the enemy roster vanished, and on top of that the whole game felt unfinished due to being rushed, made even worse by the fact that BOTH OF Bungie's sequels to Halo were ALSO rushed!
>>15807533
>>15807752
>a girl that's not a self-loathing uggo or a pretentious titty streamer playing vidya
>hate nugget
This is exactly what we were pushing for with Vivian. Just because something isn't true right now doesn't mean it's not worth hoping for.
>>15807880
>Bungie knew exactly how to make a console FPS work with a limited controller and hardware in mind
This is the only thing you said that was actually important for Halo's success. Namely, auto-aim you can't turn off and aren't told (webm related) about to kill the core mechanic of the shooter genre, and tiny levels streamed from disc with invisible/short loading screens into the XBox's miniscule 64MB of RAM.
>>15808004
Be fair, WC/SC weren't any dumber than Dune/C&C. I'll admit Diablo was dumbed down from WRPGs/roguelikes, but it didn't really do much harm before MMOs killed the entire RPG genre including ARPGs (inb4 WoW, by the time it shipped, single-player RPGs had been utterly obliterated for years).
ac9191 No.15808431
>>15805884
>Toddposting
Speaking of which
L-LEAVE TODD A-ALONE!
http://archive.is/NgmWX
080efd No.15808570
>>15808095
I'm clearly talking about post WoW Blizzard, before that they weren't really trying to make family friendly products even middle school kids could enjoy.
e885c6 No.15808604
>>15808431
He's right, pete is a far bigger kike than todd.
ac9191 No.15808787
>>15808604
you should see the notes and replies to this. He's right that Hines is bad, but this doesn't absolve or excuse Todd's part at all, especially with how much he hyped and lied about the features the game would have. You have people unironically saying Todd dindu nuffin and attempting to whiteknight completely for him because they fell for the meme, that post was made in response to the cult of personality Todd has developed over the years. Peopel in the replies were unironically saying to leave Todd alone.
057c49 No.15808809
>>15805210
>>15805557
What is the point of German- law refusing swastikas to be in games? Do they fear that seeing a symbol will cause another holocaust?
d89544 No.15808834
>>15808809
The country was under foreign military administration for 7 years, and a lot of the laws put in place then were never removed. It's the same reason Japan still puts strangely useless black bars over their tentacle porn.
283d98 No.15808836
>>15807831
HE WHO CONSORTS WITH BEASTS
22d5ee No.15808845
>>15808834
>black bars
I thought it was mosaic censoring.
d89544 No.15808853
>>15808845
That too, but the 3-pixel-wide black bars over the very tip of the object in question always crack me up the hardest.
22d5ee No.15808859
>>15808853
Oh, those. Yeah.
>Here's a picture of a vagina with a thin black bar across it. Now you can't tell it's a vagina.
e60a88 No.15808926
>>15808859
>Talk with any native nip about it
>"Yeah, but have you seen our rape statistics?"
d89544 No.15808951
>>15808926
I mean, there's nothing wrong with really weird "censorship". It's just, y'know, weird.
804420 No.15808957
>>15807039
What kind of hovel do you live in where that happens?
Burgers complain about their undeveloped internet infrastructures and they have no problems with instantaneously loading webms.
21aa48 No.15808958
>>15805510
I can't wait till NUDOOM eternal comes out and for more porn to be made.
36be54 No.15810622
>>15807077
Nice try, revisionist newfag.
58853f No.15811325
>>15807683
The phrase used was "defined the Xbox"
I never disputed that. I disputed that it did anything in any way new.
You cannot say it defined the FPS genre. You cannot even say it defined the console FPS genre. It took all of it's definitions from previously released games.
f7e5e7 No.15821507
>>15799972
Claiming modern indie games are roguelikes.
0aa678 No.15821520
>>15805510
>soundless webms
Not that NuDoom doesn't have problems, you whatchacallit. Cockchanner.
738edb No.15821525
>>15807077
Howtooutyourselfasnew.jpg
cb0e12 No.15837812
>>15821507
Roguelite is a better term.
3fb69b No.15839764
>>15806024
>TPP is the only game where you are forced to go stealth only
eh, that's only true early on in the game. By mid or late game you get better soldiers by just buying S+/++/+++ soldiers through the online missions. Fultoning regular soldiers is more or less a detriment since then you have to read through dozens of pages of names and dismiss the shittiest guys.>>15805510
5982fe No.15840567
>Game ends as it starts to get really good
>Little to no chance of a sequel
eda3c5 No.15841292
>Spellforce 3
>okay-ish gameplay (aside from the occasional glitch)
>but
>Some of the storyline dialogue contained words/phrases/lines typically used by sjws/nu-fags (i.e. racist,skincolour,awareness,elitist,etc.)
>Token insert nigger as one of the playable characters, even though said character wasn't even one in the previous games
>Avatar portraits look like a collection of art depicting numales, soyboys, not!niggers, bulldykes, plain ugly as fuck female faces
>And all of them with matching hairstyles, facial hair/features with the only part missing to complete them are the problem glasses
>character designs are so ugly and full of 'muh realism' Goblin Slayer mistook them for looking like slightly bigger goblins
>no mods to even fix the ugliness of the character designs, much less a fix for removing the shitty dialogue parts
eda3c5 No.15843245
>>15841292
also;
>the way they talk and converse with one another reminded me of those b-rated shows/movies i've watched before, as well as how the VAs talked in RWBY season 4
it's nothing short of cringe and annoying to hear tbh
3f2829 No.15844746
Female main characters in general, all nigger characters, all gay characters
I'm not meming or being b8, it legitimately pulls me out of the immersion upon seeing/being forced to be one
3f2829 No.15844756
>>15841292
I like that image alot, also I'm sorry that happened to the game