/v/ - Video Games

Games industry: "No, no, no, no."

>>15791318

This is increasingly common nowadays. Corporations overstep what are acceptable norms, so people petition the government to fix it. You're forced to decide what's the bigger evil - letting kike corporations get away with predatory practices, or letting the government get their kike claws into another medium.

>>15791307

With them recently acquiring Fox, I think they would still be under the regulatory microscope. If they keep slipping up nonchalantly, they could face a big antitrust case, or just direct intervention.

If there were a handful of senators who would soapbox their colleagues about "muh chilluns gon get addicted to these lootboxes," maybe more would be willing to kick over Yidney's house of cards.

>>15791327

>Corporations overstep what are acceptable norms, so people petition the government to fix it.

The sad part is that the idiots demanding that the government fix it are the same idiots that allowed and accepted the companies to profit off of them being idiots.

>>15791318

It was entirely up to people whether to report these business practices to the FTC to begin with.

>>15791360

+ I remember years back during GamerGate sending reports to the FTC.

What else did you suggest?

Not clicking on those affliate links or boycotting the journo sites?

Because I've been doing that for a long time before #GG even started and either way that amounted to shit compared to SEO and networking the big sites do.

>>15791383

Do tell me the effect I had on gaming journalism from 2008-2013 i.e before #GG even started.

>>15791419

Hey dumbass.

>>15791318

>FTC shouldn't butt into video games. It's up to a person to decide what they want to do, and how much money they want to spend

>>15791360

>>15791370

>but wait I reported to the FTC during GamerGate so if you're going to give the lolbertarian answer of not clicking their adverts etc, I individually had neglible effect prior to making reports.

>>15791485

>Newfag

<When no one here even liked the original /pol/ post beyond some obscure theory, which Cuckchan took, butchered, and then spreed like cancer.

>>15791318

This isn't about protecting consumers. People dumb enough to buy lootboxes deserve what they get (except, of course, for dumb kids who don't know any better and whose parents haven't taken steps to protect them because they don't understand what's going on–exploiting them is legitimately fucked up). This is about excising a cancer from game development. When all your revenue comes from lootboxes, that's where publishers are going to tell developers to focus their time and effort. That results in fucking garbage games.

Do you want every game to be Fortnite? Do you want there to never be a good game made with a large budget ever again?

>>15791344

>they could face a big antitrust case

Because that stopped AT&T from reclaiming all the splinters congress turned them into.

Why should I care if the government gets involved when we've got silicon valley trying to police wrongthink without repercussion? Let it all burn down for all I care. You all had your chance to stop it but convenience of life got in the way of going against the looming threat. Let it all reset and once everyone is ready to debate and work together again, we can take it back. Smoke the weight of your sins for failing to read the warnings signs that were obviously there.

I feel like lootboxes have been getting investigated for like a year now, how long till publishers just push for a workaround to keep the whale titties pumping

>>15791716

Only southern and atlantic rejoined, iirc. Pacific and western never got repurchased and spun off into unsucessful ventures. Could be wrong, but i know USwest turned into centurylink.

>>15791652

Learn to read and understand contexts as opposed to skimming and assigning a side or emotion, which is what NPCs do.

>>15791383

I was wondering why video games have become so good over the past five years thanks for taking down that website everything is different now that you've changed everything and it's all different for the better

Loot boxes and microtransactions are ruining gaming. Anything that hurts them is good in my book.

>>15791318

It's become abundantly clear at this point that big businesses and the wealthy elite are firmly on the left in their political views, and anything that hurts them is good.

>>15791895

Unironically in this thread, after I made a post that had the phrases "amounted to shit" and "#GG" in it, I got an nonconscious reflexive response on how #GG caused more damage to Gawker than its other enemies (which was quoted with belief affirmation) even though it missed the point of my post entirely.

So of course my concern is warranted. Your repetitive statements don't change that fact.

Did they just admit that manchildren (eg neets and autists) are legally considered children?

>>15791957

>>15791895

Gawker is being brought back online by a jew too.

who buys these things anyways

They're probably going to get involved long enough to realise how much money lootboxes make, and classify it as gambling purely so the IRS can tax the shit out of it.

>Jews jewing jews jewing etc

>>15792001

Jews eating each other is ideal. Of course a real holocaust would be the most ideal.

>>15791996

According to numbers in the mobile sector, not even 1% of the playerbase. But they somehow magically pull more revenue than $60 games with $50 season passes.

>>15791316

A bunch of European agencies are investigating, now the Americans are looking into it.

>>15791996

Kids, mostly. I've seen it first hand with my younger cousins.

>>15792006

It's the ads. Imagine how much you can get with ad revenue alone.

>>15791996

I noticed what people are trying to do is sell the items for a profit. It's not so much that the item is great than it is being rare. So some of the whales are essentially playing hot potato with virtual assets. The trade "game" has it's losers of course.

>>15792038

On some of the more aggressive shitty mobile games they make you watch an ad no joke around every thirty seconds. So getting most of that money from ads seems very possible.

>>15791318

fuck off kike

>>15792052

But then they turn around and wonder aloud why the ad bubble's popping.

>>15791292

Well, this a "Fuck You" to all of the parties, Government, Consumers, and the Developers. Give an inch to the Government, they'll take a fucking mile and can't dislodge themselves till they fucking overreach with more moralfaggots, then it's the idiotic parents or compulsive normalfaggot who can't control themselves or just let their kids play without any supervision, then it's the greedy developers and publishers who can't fucking self-regulate due to their goddamn greed. Many of the parties and the choices here is fucking Mass Effect 3-tier of FUCK YOU, there's little winning, we are fucked

>>15792069

The only way this will end is if videogames (or tech in general) crashes, and we're already seeing a steady drop in FAANG stocks along with videogame publishers.

>>15792065

It's popping because of traffic mostly from bots or people not interested in the product sold to begin with. This is not bringing up that malvertising has been a thing, and is now strictly limited to adverts designed to get you to think something's wrong with your PC and ring a number to let an Indian route through your PC.

>>15791292

the jews won again

>>15792069

underage gambling is, in fact, illegal in all of the united states

thus the gubmint has not only a right, but an obligation to get involved in this scenario to stop this loophole from being committed

>>15792088

Especially when publishers employ psychologists to create the most effective "hook" for loot boxes, the same way casinos do.

>>15791318

You want to believe in the invisible hand of the free market when it's precisely it that led to this situation? You are not a rational person. Neither are the vast majority of customers, in fact. A system that banks on all economical agents to act rationally is set to fail from the outset. You ought to look up keynesian capitalism instead of neoliberalism.

>>15792365

This guy gets it. I want to sell cocaine to kindergartners, but the government suppresses my right to self-expression.

>>15792366

what if the child wants to OD?

>>15792377

it's okay when the toy industry makes children addicted to gambling though.

>>15792384

Well cocaine is black market goods, and not taxable.

>>15792365

>forcing devs to change something they already created to fit some nonsensical cultural standard that isn't even applied to the native goods of that culture is the same as making a game from the ground up to exploit retards and children into giving massive amounts of money to your jewish slave empire

Sounds correct.

>>15792384

The government says it's also okay to sell cigarettes and alcohol to people, despite them being poison, but they'll tell you what poison they claim is safe.

>>15792435

Every cancer starts from a single cell

>>15792390

If the ftc bans loot boxes they are stepping way too far out of their jurisdiction. It sets a precedent for the government to regulate video games. Once a democratic government is then in control of the ftc guess what the fuck happens next. It's the same reason we wanted the ftc the fuck out of the internet. The ESA/ESRB better step the fuck up and do their job and put in some industry standardization to capitulate these fucks.

>>15792452

>regulating business models

>the same as regulating the actual content of games

You can have all the lootboxes you want, as long as you don't have to pay for them. The issue here is money, not games.

>>15792472

Er, as long as you CAN'T pay for them, to be more precise.

>>15792472

The government doesn't work that way they are just like SJWs they just need an in and then they fester.

>Well we protected the kids from lootboxes. >Now look at all these anime toddies

>We should probably protect them from that too

>>15792521

You're still attempting to slide between business regulation and game design.

Money isn't free speech.

>>15792452

how is regulating a nefarious business practice that, not even going into the fact that it is unscrupulous, is exploiting young children for money via underage gambling which is illegal in the united states going to lead to censorship of video games as a whole? can you elaborate?

>>15792571

Corporate bootlickers are incapable of conceiving of art separately from nickel-and-dimeing people

>>15792562

>Money isn't free speech.

Citizens United

>>15792571

see >>15792521

>>15791485

>that screen cap

>aspie wanders up to strangers

>sqeals at them in aspie language WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT SOCIETY

>gets ignored

>he lingers for a moment and repetes the question 3 more times at variable volumes.

>t-they must not have souls!

>>15791318

100% of people who drink alcohol have alcohol problems.

>>15792684

>simplifying things this much

it doesn't work like that, and furthermore bush attempted a lolicon ban and it was shot down as being constitutional so you are incorrect

>>15792762

FTC only answers to the FTC and the president. Supreme Court already gave executive regulatory boards that protection. It's why the EPA can claim the pond in your backyard a protected body of water.

>>15792830

[citation needed]

industry needs to get fucked in the ass for this

>>15791613

Who gives a shit? This is such a fucking moronic take I can't believe that you're capable of breathing. Are you unable to not buy a single game? Just don't buy the ones with loot boxes you imbecile. It's not even far spread unless you're a faggy mobile gamer or think you need to spend money on Overwatch boxes because you're an utter mongoloid.

>>15792390

Ban Hearthstone packs.

>>15792920

Just don't buy any games with loot boxes, just don't buy any games with dlc, just don't buy any games with leftists indoctrination, just don't buy games with DRM, just don't buy any games with censorship, well look at that no games came out this year.

>>15792942

why are you here then and not hanging from a noose?

>>15792942

This

And if for any reason you must buy a videogame like this, ALWAYS second hand/bargain bin

>>15791613

>Do you want there to never be a good game made with a large budget ever again?

Yes, since absolutely nothing of value is lost. Push out the mainstream, the marketers, and the suits who were making soulless games long before lootboxes and dlc. Let the rabble consume their shit while a creative niche market of real games is made.

>>15792942

This is hyberbole you nigger. Fuck off kike.

>>15792977

There are plenty of nigger kikes in Africa you retard.

>>15792979

it was a joke you retard.

>>15792978

Huh, are they going to start suddenly making good games because there is no f2p? Those Overwatch players aren't going to magically develop good taste overnight in the absence of their digital slot machines. Better to let them oversaturate the market and eventually create a subset of people with better taste who are hungry for real games.

>>15792988

Good AAA games are increasingly impossible as long as these business models exist. Every single team at every studio is pressured every day by management to add whale milking features to their weird little niche game, because they know with absolute certainty it will increase revenues, and that is even truer in an AAA release.

>>15792998

>You can't make good AAA games without loot boxes because loot boxes exist

Nigga? You wanna ban a business model because Ubisoft has shitty managers that are running their company into the ground, leaving the field open for new devs who aren't cucks?

>>15793013

Also even if loot boxes are regulated it won't change ANYTHING because the people who buy them AREN'T "little kids" anyway lmao. It's people with jobs who want cool looking shit.

>>15793016

it will take a while. the point of loot boxes is to condition kids to gambling so that they can grow into weak willed gambling addict adults

>>15793016

Then why did the industry shit itself in terror at the suggestion of lootboxes receiving mandatory AO ratings?

>>15793026

It didn't.

>>15793037

And this matters how?

>>15792920

>Just don't buy the ones with loot boxes you imbecile.

I don't.

Normalfags and children do, because they don't know any better. Publishers don't care that I'm not buying their games anymore, because the normalfags and children are paying more than the full price of a game, and whales are paying hundreds of times the full price of a game.

>>15793419

So who cares let them water their money you wouldn't want any of them making games you'd but anyways. If they're willing to whore it the game for loot boxes they'd probably make a shit game anyways.

>>15792377

That little faggot looks like a shaven malnourished monkey broke into Ru Paul's wig bin. I wonder how old he'll be when he realises what a travesty has been made of his life and he kills himself. I'm betting he goes before me and I'm 36.

>>15793060

>>15793471

It renders bad devs invincible to our market influence, and renders us completely irrelevant as a market demographic.

Unless enough consumers had a strict "microtransactions=no buy" attitude to constitute a viable customerbase, there is no way out other than banning microtransactions.

>>15793571

>tries to blackpill

>quotes two posters that blow his shit outta town

>>15793799

unless you can resell the cards a digital booster is literally a lootbox

>>15794332

I'd only allow lootboxes to exist if the game also had an officially supported cheat option to achieve the same effect, and lumped users of both into the same category with an identical mark of shame.

>>15795942

>The solution is willpower and free market.

See how little it means when the rationale behind purchases is speculation and the belief of making a profit.

>>15795942

Oh boy, I can't wait to pay upwards of 100 dollars for a skinner box piece of shit for the rest of my life!

>>15792942

>Just don't buy any games with loot boxes, just don't buy any games with dlc, just don't buy any games with leftists indoctrination, just don't buy games with DRM, just don't buy any games with censorship, well look at that no games came out this year.

That has been my attitude ever since DLC first appeared. It's really not hard to not buy shit. If you really need a new game to play, there is tons in emulation of older games, and if you are a buyfag there is always eBay. Consoled games are expensive as fuck due to scalpers, but PC games are still dirt cheap, even if you are looking for those old boxes with full manuals.

>>15795942

That doesn't work because there are too many retards that support shit practices. I've never once bought a lootbox/mtx and yet they are only getting more common.

All the King's horses and alll the King's men can't fix the stupidity of peasants. I'd prefer them to be contained in their lootbox and mtx games since the companies who make those types of games will never give me what I want anyway, since I happen to possess discernment. An idealistic vision of being able to fix the ills of the world through mere systemic changes has been the continually failing strategy of man since reason became god.

>>15795942

>The magical and invisible hand of the free market will fix it!

>He says while most companies are switching to whaling via microtransactions and dlc's because thats what works in the current market

My condolences to your parents for your condition.

>>15796378

I'd rather they do so somewhere other than vidya, where their whalebux won't distort the shape of proper gaming, like the sleazy gambling websites normalfags had to resort to before freemium became acceptable.

>>15796393

>the mythical whale

They always spout this bs, but the really big games make their bread and butter from kids pestering their parents and lonely single men getting kicks from playing gambling Barbie Dressup. Whales are a psychological manipulation to get people to play the game long enough to become invested. You Cannot Fix Stupid.

With all this talk about shitty collector's editions that don't even include the game. What are some games that had worthwhile collector editions that showed the companies at least gave a little bit of respect for their supporters? Shit like "thank you!" and "thank for you playing!" cards in the box.

>>15796431

It's more likely than you think. Remember that this is all happening during a larger breakdown of public trust in large tech/webservice/social media/media companies. On the left there's a general paranoia over websites that allow controversial and "alt-right" content, on the right there's a fear that the entire internet is setup against them. The net result is that both sides agree that something must be done, and that "something" is regulation be it content standards or a fairness doctrine or both. Then there's the left blaming Russia for hacking Trump into the White House, and the right blaming China for hacking our economy.

In practice, EA gets roped into it because it's pretty easy to see how lootboxes are not only gambling for children but the larger market around lootbox trading (thanks Steam) is the exact sort of place where someone would find bitcoin scams, ponzi schemes, and Russian/Chinese meddling/hacking. It doesn't help that there are literal and confirmed Russian/Chinese bitcoin ponzi schemes on Steam, especially with asset rips and their associated trading cards. Which is another thing: regular toy and gaming companies that make slot machines and playing cards want nothing to do with all this and support regulation.

As for SJWs, they get fucked because the era when anyone could make money off crap phone games through microtransactions is over. Ditto for companies greenlighting whatever SJW garbage forced into their games, because they won't be guaranteed to turn a profit if most microtransaction type payments are banned. If every game sold has to be a $30 product then this sort of garbage won't fly.

>>15796474

Of course it would get better you stupid cunt. Microtransactions allow companies to earn massive amounts of money without actually producing a quality product. As long as you suck in the easily addicted you win. If they don't have to option for alternative money they will be forced to bet all of their income on the game itself, thus they have to make the game good as possible to be able to sell it. Of course here lies a problem with them spending 99% of the budget on marketing, which should also be controlled in some way. There are just so many ways companies can "cheat" to not make games and still earn money its pathetic and all of them should be stamped out.

>>15796443

Moronic utopian idealism that fights against human nature. Swing a hammer every minute for every day and your arm will fall off before you fix the 'problem'. The answer is to not have everything be the realm of everyone, segregate people by their natures.

>>15796489

I know someone who's next in line for the hammer.

>>15796495

Well, like Sam, no hammer is necessary for you, since you'll never breed.

>>15796488

>Of course it would get better you stupid cunt.

I mean I would hope so but I can't help but fear that publishers would still find some way to louse everything up.

>>15796576

The hope is their next trick will be less awful than the last one. I'll admit there are some cases where this backfired due to the simple march of technology, like mindnumbing but theoretically bypassable 80s/90s copy protection rituals giving way to always-online.

>>15796582

Except it's the constant changing of systems, like eternally plugging holes in the dike, that prevents the public from catching up to their tricks. Every time people overreact and create a bigger unknown devil to stop the known one. Let nature take it's course and stop trying to fix people. Spread the word and change the culture, just don't expect instant results.

>>15796840

>In other words, whales. Nice try, corporate shill.

The myth of whales is what allows the foolish minnows to be netted into playing thinking the game is supported solely by bigger fish, then getting addicted and willing to spend their money and time. It's an ecosystem, they need krill and whales both.

>OUR nature

Differentiation within groups exists as well and different people are suited to different levels of consciousness. As long as they are constrained within the appropriate domain, all is well overall and nature takes care of itself despite the continual hiccups of injustice and evil that can be addressed as they arise. Life finds a way, empty a niche and another will take the place, self-deluded quick fixes are the enemy of goodness.

>People and normalfags are waking up.

Which is exactly because things have been fairly stagnant and the illness is exposed, rather than constantly being rearranged in a shell game that fools people into thinking someone has fixed the initial problem.

You'd do better to stop e-larping and continue your studies in order to understand the world and the proper path within it. Seek wisdom to know when, where, and why to swing the hammer beyond immature and vapid irritation.

>If the govt regulates lootboes, they'll slaughter all freedom of expression in games!

>Even though this doesn't happen in fields already regulated by the govt

>You shouldn't care about games having lootboxes.

>But I care very much about them getting regulated.

This is your brain on free-marketism

>>15797270

The EU has already banned lootboxes. EU > US!

>>15797991

Sadly not quite yet. The Belgians and Dutch are the only ones to enact bans so far, though they and parties in other member states are pushing for harmonized anti-lootbox regulations EU-wide.

muh free market

muh small government

>>15792390

Nothing is inside the "mandate" of "public" regulation, stop being a statist cuck.

>>15797270

reminder whales aren't people, nor are the ones defending this shit

>>15798095

If you want to revolt and shift to a different economic system, that's fine. But right now, we're inside a system where the economy is dependent on markets that require state monopolization of force to operate.

If it were structurally impossible to fritter away valuable resources through gambling to opportunistic sleazeballs, this wouldn't be necessary.

>>15798062

<courtesy of MtG's awful trend

>still thinking physical boosters are in any shape or form comparable with digital lootboxes

and you're wondering why they nuke all tor posts without reading them…

>>15798260

I actually agree with this. I would actually go further, to say they are much worse, since unlike lootboxes that are mostly for aesthetic items, CCGs have P2W as a core part of the genre's definition. FFG's LCG format illustrates just how superfluous blind boosters are to such games.

The only thing in tabletop I can think of that's more loathsome is ludicrously overpriced minis being linked to mechanical strength, but unlike with CCGs, this had a paper thin physical justification. Hopefully 3D printing will blow Geedubs and their ilk away sooner rather than later.

>>15798281

>DLC

Probably not any direct legal way, but some sort of societal hysteria piggybacking off similar sounding legally definable issues might be able to evaporate their customerbase through altering normalfag behavior.

>microtransactions

>paid currencies

Certainly through legislation, though not under such simply judicial means as "lootboxes=gambling" under current law.

>>15793471

Big publishers used to release good games occasionally. If lootboxes are allowed to continue, those days will never return.

>>15795942

Fuck off, lolberg. Lootboxes are gambling, and the government already regulates gambling.

>>15796330

The only way to make games better is to accelerate the crash to drive big corps and their normalfag drones out of gaming.

All of this outrage over lootboxes makes me laugh, because it is simply the natural progression from yearly rehashing and DLC. If you are going to criticize one jewish business practice, you need to criticize it all.

>>15798490

Oh, and I don't know how I forgot to mention microtransactions and gachi mobile games. Being outraged at lootboxes is just a waste of energy when the entire industry is fueled by this type of shit.

>>15798385

Lootboxes aren't gambling unless you can turn the contents into currency. Just because it's a skinnerbox psychological trap doesn't mean its gambling. You should spend your energy being outraged at all of the implementations of this type of manipulative psychology instead of choosing this hill to die on.

Best case, it leads to lootboxes being carefully crafted to skirt gambling laws.

Worst case, the government takes this as a mandate to regulate all forms of for profit gaming. Although if it forces gaming devs to revert back to the product revenue philosophy it might be a blessing in disguise.

Either way, collapse is imminent.

Just fucking burn it all to the ground already

>>15798538

this, where is atari when you need them?

>>15798281

>the grass in that image

Oblivion has aged so horribly.

>>15798642

Is that the supreme gentleman?

Really, the governments of the world should euthanise anyone who has ever played a video game, including phone games. It would lead to a global increase in IQ by 10 points.

For April Fool's, Mark enabled automatic flags that corresponded to the location of each user's IP location. Our TORfriend in particular was seen with a Brazilian flag before switching to TOR. Make of that what you will. Can't wait for that to happen again.

>>15792452

>If the ftc bans loot boxes they are stepping way too far out of their jurisdiction. It sets a precedent for the government to regulate video games.

<Be paint sniffing artfag

<Make my art a slot machine with one of drawings on it

<Rake in big bucks

Holyshit, if such a situation occured, and this artist was told he needed to adhere to gambling laws currently in place, that would set precedent for regulating art! God you're fucking retarded. Japan has already played out the same fucking situation. Guess what? A pachinko machine that plays Metal Gear cutscenes is regulated just the same as any other pachinko shit in Japan. The only reason lootboxes got this far was because videogames that don't feature casino sims have been wholly out of the eyes of gambling regulators.

Everyone's already said what was on my mind. Governments seek power and rights. Wedging lootbox laws is just another step-in stone to ban video games. Laws exist to restrict freedoms. Artist expressions, which games are, would be restricted, even if they are addicting. I'm all for free expressions, even at the cost some idiots that get hooked on lootboxes. Most of us aren't idiots, and refuse to even play those types of games. Others aren't so wise.

Big Brother only wants to fuck you, so he has no intentions on helping clean out the problems.

This like the war on drugs, one which will never be solved because there's an industry behind it: and now we have a opioid epidemic, one which even our medical department are affected by. Imagine being operated by an addicted nurse. Regulations didn't solve the problem, it looks like it made it worse.

>>15797991

Article 13

>>15799280

I'd like to read more about your theory since they are tarnished 2 active sharethread anons who constantly upload content, and have .onion addresses.

Gambling is already regulated. Lootboxes are just dressing it up nice and pretty to avoid the law because the old faggots who would bust their ass for this blatant sidestepping of the law can't tell there's gambling going on beneath the newfangled user interface and pretty colors of videogames.

>>15792069

>blackpill fag

I'll have so say it, even if sone don't agree with it: a ban in lotboxes will be a ban on loli, a ban in sex, a ban in violence, a ban on gaming.

The choice is not to play at all.

Everyone's going on about muh children, allowing retards to go >muh children, and hardly anybody is pointing out that this is also way for them to get away with making money via gambling and not fucking paying casino taxes.

>>15792088 (heiled)

How nobody can see this is beyond me. Everyone is going "ban them" this and "freedom of expression" that when it's quite clearly something already covered by law, but simply slathered in a new coat of paint the law is not yet familar with.

>>15799466

Thing is gambling involves real money, real assets, real people.

Art, which games are, are an expression. Lootboxes don't have to involve real money, real assets, real people. When they do, you have to ask yourself: do you want big brother to be the arbitrator, or the caveat emptor?

Scams are plenty, and usually the buyer has more rights than the seller.

I think I want the ability to sue my lootbox maker than the government "do it for me". Civil courts are there for reasons.

>>15799463

>Artist expressions

>>15799492

>loli […] sex […] violence […] gaming

>a business model

>>16799509

>Lootboxes don't have to involve real money

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

last para of >>15799515 meant for >>15799509

>>15799505

Google makes money invading and violating privacy laws, and only the EU has started doing something about it. I don't see public outcry about Google. I do see for Facebook, and the many that ignored the Terms of Service.

I think this issue is individualistic in nature:

How far do you see lootboxes being a general problem until it gets serious?

I still see kids more addicted to Roblox, Minecraft, VR Chat, and Fortnite.

I blame parents here, not children.

>>15799515

I meant things like e-currency. If you can buy in game material with real money, it becomes a problem:

Do you want big brother answer that call, or your lawyer with a civil case of damages?

>>15799517

I think you cited me well, we have IDs, so you can reference me that way.

I also have Dynamic IP, so it may change.

I'm just cautious when governments touch anything in the realm of free press: videogames fall under thus category.

>>15799527

That's not the same as thing. Lootboxes are specifically:

>the chance to acquire an item

>that can be purchased using real money, or a proxy for real money

>and can be purchased ad infinitum

Without that middle RMT step, the thing in question is not a lootbox, merely an in-game gambling mechanic.

As I noted earlier in the case of CS:GO skin gambling, even the lack of any official way in-game to convert virtual property back into real money may not be an adequate legal defense.

>>15799537

This is as much videogames as regulating scratch-n-win lottos in newspapers is free press. In other words, not in the slightest.

>>15794332

>I hope they aren't banned, I just want to see them regulated.

Most people against them being regulated as they ought to be seem to be strawmanning everyone who wants them regulated as wanting them straight out banned nationwide. It's simple and effective strawmanning. But gambling is already regulated on a state by state basis and lootboxes/gachashit are avoiding casino taxes and age regulations that should apply to them as gambling. They're breaking state laws, plain and simple.

>>15799509

>Thing is gambling involves real money,

Check

>real assets

Replace "assets" with a "services".

>real people.

Check.

>Lootboxes don't have to involve real money

You are using your own personal defintion then. The general consensus on the phenomenon of lootboxes is that you are gambling your money for a chance at winning a service, i.e. some part of the game.

>When they do, you have to ask yourself: do you want big brother to be the arbitrator,

State government is already to the arbitrator of gambling. I can't saying anything more about this than repeat the very post you replied to.

>Scams are plenty

And false advertising is illegal.

>I think I want the ability to sue my lootbox maker

And how are you going to do that? You want this to be unregulated, so how exactly you going to make some sort of legal case against them if what they're doing is perfectly legal to you?

>>15799519

>Google makes money invading and violating privacy laws

And they should already be being investigated for it and probably anti-trust violations.

>I don't see public outcry about Google.

There should be.

>How far do you see lootboxes being a general problem until it gets serious?

It is already serious. They are already breaking the law.

>>I still see kids more addicted to Roblox, Minecraft, VR Chat, and Fortnite.

>I blame parents here, not children.

If a child somehow got into a casino and started gambling, it would be the Casino's fault for not properly enforcing the age restrictions on their establishment, not solely the parents' fault for losing track of their child. And again, this is also about tax evasion, not just "muh children".

>>15799550

>What makes you think that we will allow the government to step in any further?

History. FTC has fucked up too many times, and most recently internet access. How they elected a Verizon employee as chairman to immediately remove the majority's wishes to "net neutrality," when the cause is wire and digging laws: you can't have a free market if you don't have permits to lay cables on land you don't have permission.

Of minor note: drop the royal "we". You are addressing me, and a few anons. Unless you work for a company, your "we" is extremely well noted.

>modifying the industry to attend to our demands, and ours only.

And this has never ever backfired: irony. What was that exact example that just happened again? Oh, an elected impartial chairman that did away with the majority's wishes speaks volumes about "our demands". I don't see the public doing anything to re-repeal the popular decision.

>When companies are profiting from it, they must be stopped

Ah, you are anti-capitalist! My apologies for addressing you.

Tell me, how's communistic ideals working out for you? Am I not allowed to create and sell my own hand crafted game, because it belongs to "we"?

>>15799551

Yeah, real money into fake in game material is a concern. And that's a problem that needs addressing, not just lootboxes. I recall when people paid money for neopets, gaia online, even pokemon. I know to ignore them, just like I don't like scat or gore in games. It's my choice to ignore them. But again, I don't see what a government can do that your free choice can already do: sue the living fuck of a company for ill advertised leading to an addiction, and damages for loss of money, health, etc..

USA has plenty of consumer rights, they should really use them.

Well, lottos are regulated. And usually the winners are the governments. It's almost as if governments want people addicted to cash in the addictions.

Maybe they want 100% taxes on human lives. Maybe I'm thinking to exact.

>>15799599

>false advertising is illegal.

I think this should be the proper course of action against lootboxes, the minor of the general problem: buying virtual content with real money.

>how are you going to do that

Civil case, sue the studio.

>They are already breaking the law

Which law again?

>Casino's fault for not properly enforcing the age restrictions on their establishment

Which the smart Casino refuses the child pay with real money to play, and instead calls the police to deal with a missing child. You can't blame the child for stealing the parents' money and run away to play in a casino, you refuse the child from entering, and if they do, request an escort:

Free choice here saved the Casino. Free choice led the child there with money on hand. The parents?

You are already falling for your bias that lootboxes are the real issue, and that people don't already observe the law.

You have the right in a few states to shoot your own foot, others, your body belongs to state.

wtf i love government regulation now

>>15799714

>net neutrality

Deregulation happens when more fervent neolibs/neocons get in power, sure. That doesn't mean those regulations can't be put right back and strengthened when political winds shift.

>Yeah, real money into fake in game material is a concern. And that's a problem that needs addressing, not just lootboxes.

True, but one can be addressed under existing law, while the other would require fundamentally new legislation. Legislation that would be much more likely following enforcement that helps stoke public outrage against microtransaction/freemium games.

>I don't see what a government can do that your free choice can already do

Protect the whales from being abused as suicide bombers against my hobby

>Which law again?

Current gambling law. For instance:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unlawful_Internet_Gambling_Enforcement_Act_of_2006

>>15799719

As opposed to corporations exploiting the gullible in such a way as to make people like us voting with our wallets completely irrelevant?

>>15799758

>fervent neolibs/neocons get in power,

And into the filter. You can't be objective when labeling (confirmation bias).

When the left hand knows what the right hand is doing, they call it (((compromise)))

What 2 things do the USA "Republican" and "Democratic" (((parties))) have in common regarding video games, throughout all USA history?

>True, but one can be addressed under existing law,

This is my intent and wish.

>the other would require fundamentally new legislation

Disagree: existing law and free choice are the better option considering the history and effects the FTC has made: esp. against the popular choice.

>following enforcement

This is the crux of the debate:

What can the government enforce that free choice can't?

Self prohibition and refusal are pretty good enforcement options. I don't think the FTC can say the same.

I just recalled even more recently their ban on radios, and router firmware: according to the FTC, you don't even own your own WiFi router. Not even consumer rights allow you to edit the firmware the company you bought from forced on you, because anonymous unlicensed encrypted broadcasts are probably bad:

https://www.wired.com/2016/03/way-go-fcc-now-manufacturers-locking-routers/

How's that for Regulations made for the companies?

>Protect the whales from being abused as suicide bombers against my hobby

You have your guns! Stand your ground! Defend your castle!

Why do you need Big Brother to do it for you? You like paying taxes to lobbying arms is it?

>Current [online] gambling law

You know what is loved about the internet is the ability to host anywhere, even in countries where gambling is legal, and people dare still stake to win a zero sum game.

Something about free choice and state power seem to be at odds again. I wonder if lootboxes are really the addiction, or the addicted looking for new ways to stay addicted.

Oh how are you guys dealing with juuling, btw¿

>corporations exploiting the gullible in such a way as to make people like us voting with our wallets completely irrelevant?

I wonder: these FTCs employees, are they, mmmm, could they be bribable, maybe lobbiable¿ Wait, can we elect a paid for (((speeches fees))) Verizon employee to I dunno, weed out how we regulate those specky gamers and their persevering ways¿

Maybe even finally ban violence out the gamers that lead to physically violence. I'm sure mentally ill people are ok to carry around guns, even if they never touched a game in their entire lifetime¡

>>15799883

This. This is the raw face of the FTC. They aren't government employees! They work for and by the corporations.

If AAA wants to ban lootboxes, I can only see exactly why.

>>15799714

>I think this should be the proper course of action against lootboxes, the minor of the general problem: buying virtual content with real money.

Not sure I read you. Could you elaborate?

>Civil case, sue the studio.

On what grounds?

>Which law again?

They are openly facilitating the participation of minors in gambling in states where it is regulated and thus illegal for minors to participate in and they are not paying the state taxes for being in the business of gambling.

>Which the smart Casino refuses the child pay with real money to play

And the exact opposite is happening with lootboxes.

>You can't blame the child for stealing the parents' money

I'm not.

>Free choice here saved the Casino.

You are presenting a hypothetical where the Casino follows the law. The law is not being followed by companies engaging in the business model of lootboxes as they are allowing minors to participate in gambling. That is why I made the analogy with a casino in the first place.

>that people don't already observe the law.

<Coporations don't ever break the law goy! So obviously lootboxes can't be unregulated gambling.

Wew lad.

>>15792199

t. jew

>>15799959

What's your point?

>>15796756

>Spread the word and change the culture, just don't expect instant results.

Yeah, don't expect results at all. People with sense have been telling others these practices are fucking terrible since horse armor and things have only gotten worse since then.

>>15798509

>Lootboxes aren't gambling unless you can turn the contents into currency.

You are gambling for the chance to win a service.

>>15799463

>Wedging lootbox laws

There are already laws for gambling. They simply aren't being enforced against lootboxes because videogames were a blindspot.

>Laws exist to restrict freedoms.

Like theft and murder. :^)

>Artist expressions, which games are, would be restricted, even if they are addicting.

Yeah. By the way I've been planning to open up this interactive art exhibit down the block where I fill the whole place with slots and other forms of gambling that people can pay me to participate in, except they can only win monopoly money as a bold artistic statement against the evil of casinos. It's going to be great because calling it art means I don't have to follow gambling laws and can make mad cash with low taxes. :^)

>>15799879

>You have your guns! Stand your ground! Defend your castle!

Unless you're telling him to literally go out and kill videogame whales, I can't fathom what you're trying to get him to do here.

>>15799980

>Just use scam, fraud, and false advertising laws

The most you could do is get them to publish drop rates, and even if they're revealed to be terrible rates, that won't have much of an effect on them. Other than that, they aren't breaking any laws except gambling laws.

>Anything under the sun. That's the beauty of civil courts, you can even sue for the wrong colour a character was drawn.

Ah, so you plan to go in there and lose. Great strategy.

>That's a bountifully burden of claims under the presumption those virtual "lootboxes" are gambling contraptions.

They are.

> you still haven't proved lootboxes are gambling machines within US jurisdictions

You pay money to to gamble for the chance of earning a service (a part of the game), and this service can even in many cases be sold for real money value to others in a speculative market a la >>15794129 But you're just going to repeat that I have not proved it.

>Who's winning the most out banning "just" lootboxes?

>It sure aint parents

Their kids are no longer freely gambling without them being aware of it due to the obfuscation of the medium of videogames.

>and addicts.

A loaded question, as defining somebody as an addict means they've already been caught in a psychological trap for which the only real solution is help from friends and family. It would however mean less addicts being created over time than there would be with fully legal unregulated lootboxes due to not having the means for becoming addicted to real money gambling available in one's home and pocket at all times since a young age.

>it sure aint game developers.

As others have stated, no lootboxes would be one less cancerous monetization pracitice for publishers to push on developers in the name of profit and to the detriment of the developers vision for the game.

>I love how utterly ironic you drew the card you wee lead to play!

Could you speak English?

>?!?

Kill yourself for this and this alone.

>>15800070

I got the jist of it:

You want the government to regulate your hobby.

It's ok, nany state will make video games for you, safe for the little ones.

I wonder why people take a cruise or go to reservations to gamble.

>>15799980

>What happens next?

Publishers start selling digital goods directly, rather than putting the slot machine layer between the cash and the digital goods. This is still not ideal, but it's better than the situation we have now in several ways:

First, expenditures are capped. Whales no longer fork over gigantic amounts of cash to get the particular item they want, they just buy it and are done. This reduces the revenue that these companies get and also makes addicts less likely to destroy their lives by spending 20,000 bucks on a video game.

Second, developers can't just spend all their time making new cash shop items, because the majority of people aren't going to care enough about any particular item to spend real money on it.

Third, in multiplayer games it becomes obvious who's bought from the cash shop and who hasn't, enabling players to bully whales. Part of the genius of lootboxes is that players get a few rolls for free, so you can never be sure who bought lootboxes and who just got lucky. If the items are now in a cash shop instead, the devs have to give you a way to obtain them through gameplay, which undermines their profits, or they can be used by the community as a means to identify and target whales for griefing and ostracism.

>>15792275

Even if everyone was a perfectly rational human being, there's still information asymmetry.

>>15792894

You need "Jewish DNA" trait

Unfortunately the ability to pilpul your way out of everything is offset by schizophrenia and a plehtora of other mental disorders as well as genital mutilation.

>>15792942

That's an amazing tip, now convince the nigger cattle dwelling on twitch, youtube, faceberg any any other normalfag hangout to follow suit

>>15796302

Another success of the free market!

>>15796440

RE7, Fallout New Vegas

>>15800070

So only Valve's lootboxes are technically gambling.

Blizzard, Ubi, EA whoever the fuck else are literally scamming people with randomized microtransactions.

Euthanize every blizzcuck.

>>15801467

Good! You're thinking one way, think government way. Why is the FTC, a front for corporations, suddenly interested in lootboxes, since they are so similar but are not gambling machines, that they are willing to fine and regulate aspects of specific gaming gimmick.

Note, in some games you can refuse to play with lootboxes all together.

>>15801419

>You want the government to regulate your hobby.

>implying my hobby is gambling, rather than games

>>15801516

>so similar but are not gambling machines

False, once judicial precedent catches up with technology

>Note, in some games you can refuse to play with lootboxes all together.

Wow, thanks, how does that stop my games from being raped with slave soldier whalebux subsidies again?

>>15796409

If they're like Alcohol and Tobacco, the only thing that could come from this is video games being heavily taxed, in which case you'd see more emphasis on DLC.

>>15801568

Unless all lootboxes have a heavy tax on them.

>>15801516

>Why is the FTC, a front for corporations, suddenly interested in lootboxes, since they are so similar but are not gambling machines, that they are willing to fine and regulate aspects of specific gaming gimmick.

Because parents are pissed off that their kids are being sold "games" that amount to an entry pass for a casino that doesn't even pay out in real money? The government is full of corrupt people, but it's not the case that literally everything they do is corrupt.

>Note, in some games you can refuse to play with lootboxes all together.

Why would you think this matters? It's not relevant that you can refuse to participate (in anything short of full-blown mobile gachashit you can usually get away with not touching the lootbox system), what's relevant is that the lootbox business model changes the incentive structure publishers face for the worse. Somebody whose primary interest in games is the mechanics is never going to buy a lootbox. Either the items in the lootbox are cosmetic, which he doesn't really care about, or the game is P2W, which will lead him not to buy it in the first place. That makes him a much less attractive customer to the publisher. At most you might be able to squeeze 100 bucks out of him via DLC or a collector's edition or some bullshit like that. Somebody who buys lootboxes could easily end up spending double or triple that, with whales spending orders of magnitude more.

>>15801419

But my hobby isn't gambling.

>>15801568

>If they're like Alcohol and Tobacco, the only thing that could come from this is video games being heavily taxed,

And age restrictions that would prevent many of these games from being sold to minors legally which is often a target audience.

>>15801648

Yeah cause kids would never play an M rated game, nor would people under 21 ever smoke or drink.

>>15801662

But the guy at the cash register still can't sell little Timmy a beer without ID or he could get fucking fired. And the guy at the Casino certainly won't let little Timmy in if he wants to keep his job. Also, ESRB ratings are recommendations, not legal restrictions.

>>15801681

Nope, m rated is an age restriction. In physical stores at least kids under 17 cannot buy m rated games, they need their parents to buy it for them. And again, not like little Timmy could go to a key reseller and buy whatever he wants the same he can go and buy liquor and weed from some dealer.

>>15801648

And if loot box games were AO rated the main excuse for consoles to censor games would vanish, It would be good for everyone.

>>15801696

That's technically store policy rather than a legal restriction, unlike alcohol and tobacco. If stores routinely started ignoring age ratings you'd probably see laws passed quickly, though.

>>15801716

They already do ignore it online. Amazon, steam, origin, etc don't need any kind of proof of age. But nobody lies online right?

>>15801716

I think the ESA enforces it through fines or something. Or they only participate with large retailers who enforce the ratings.

>>15801705

Tell that to Sony who are deeming shit isn't allowed even after it was given a pass by the ESRB. If loot box games all got AO they would just give certain games passes. It would essentially just make it harder for smaller games to have lootboxes as they would have to be whitelisted by the platform holder.

>>15801590

>parents are pissed off that their kids are being sold "games" that amount to an entry pass for a casino

Wait the FTC deals with gambling? I didn't know citizens had a say in what the FTC mandates. Last few decades, everything they've done is against what parents/voters wish.

>government is full of corrupt people,

Which again: what do these confirmed corrupt people currently in power will do?

You have realized it have you?

>you can refuse to participate

So has the FTC refuse to participate with the will of the people….

>what's relevant is that the lootbox business model changes the incentive structure publishers

You do see it. It's right in front of you.

>Somebody whose primary interest in games is the mechanics is never going to buy a lootbox

And FTCs primary interest into fining "lootboxes".

>which will lead him not to buy it in the first place.

And FTC bought into it ;^)

>the game is P2W

Like the FTC!

Some anons keep replying to me. I wonder why they bother knowing they've been filter.

it's like my free choice isn't regulated by the board owner, or the government

>>15801749

>Using filters

It's like admitting that your arguments are weak unless you're using it against spam.

>>15791318

I would be o with them staying out if other forms gambling would be unregulated. But if you regulate gambling it should be Constantino across all media, vidya shouldn't get the pass just because when casinos have over 9000 rules slapped on them.

>>15792894

Study Torah.

>>15791613

>>15792978

You can make f2p without loot boxes. Just sell premium stuff without random.

>>15802303

Without lootboxes, sure, but what I was referring to in my freemium comment was something that allows infinite purchase of the same thing, which allows you to go full on whaling.

Just having a cash shop for aesthetic garbage merely allows a bit of a whale factor, like paying $200 instead of $60, as opposed to the triple-digit whale factor in these games.

>>15802078

My hobby isn't law enforcement.

It's kinda like I have will power, and states want to remove it from you.

Imagine being so obsessed with government in everything, you need them to design you the perfect hobby tailored to your needs.

Oh wait there's another entry in censorship thread!

>>15799463

>just another step-in stone

Allow me to play doubles advocate here for a moment. For all intensive purposes I think you are wrong. In an age where false morals are a diamond dozen, true virtues are a blessing in the skies. We often put our false morality on a petal stool like a bunch of pre-Madonnas, but you all seem to be taking something very valuable for granite. So I ask of you to mustard up all the strength you can because it is a doggy dog world out there. Although there is some merit to what you are saying it seems like you have a huge ship on your shoulder. In your argument you seem to throw everything in but the kids Nsync, and even though you are having a feel day with this I am here to bring you back into reality. I have a sick sense when it comes to these types of things. It is almost spooky, because I cannot turn a blonde eye to these glaring flaws in your rhetoric. I have zero taller ants when it comes to people spouting out hate in the name of moral righteousness. You just need to remember what comes around is all around, and when supply and command fails you will be the first to go.

Make my words, when you get down to brass stacks it doesn't take rocket appliances to get two birds stoned at once. It's clear who makes the pants in this relationship, and sometimes you just have to swallow your prize and accept the facts. You might have to come to this conclusion through denial and error but I swear on my mother's mating name that when you put the petal to the medal you will pass with flying carpets like it’s a peach of cake.

>>15802286

Same here. They are breaking the law. If gambling was legal and unregulated in all of the US, then these companies wouldn't be breaking the law in the slightest.

>>15802355

No, your hobby is defending kikery, and doing so poorly, with a dynamic IP. I bet you think reporting pozz dens for building code violations and camwhores for tax dodging is censorship too. After all, those were "art" joints and "performance artists" being targeted in those cases. :^)

>>15802956

>I bet you think reporting pozz dens for building code violations

I'm going to need some information on this because it sounds fantastic.

>>15802977

You're way late to the party.

>>15802995

apparently

>>15802594

What does your speech have to do with the conclusive corrupt FTC mandate about lootboxes, "in favour of parents" I have not seen outcry of?

>>15802956

>hobby is defending kikery,

When I'm telling your very government is compromised of kikes from the top down….

>dynamic IP

A feature by my ISP, because I pay them for it.

>I bet you think reporting pozz dens for building code violations and camwhores for tax dodging is censorship too

Projection-ism is why you can't stay objective. And why I won't continue to entertain your tunnel bias.

Your government hates you, your kikes hate you, and the gaming industry thinks nothing of you than than a money making machine.

Of course they are implementing a ban on lootboxes, you asked for the one thing they control, and are willing to remove ot oy means more profit out of you.

Lootboxes won't be gone. Videogames will.

>>15803667

>What does your speech have to do with the conclusive corrupt FTC mandate about lootboxes, "in favour of parents" I have not seen outcry of?

<Replying seriously to pasta

As if you couldn't get any more retarded.

>>15803677

So you want me to report the post as spam for copy pasta?

>>>/v/15803617

Are you out of cocks to suck yet?

>>15803667

>Lootboxes won't be gone.

They will, though other related practices will need further efforts both regulatory and due to public moral panic, both of which will be easier to promulgate with the legitimacy granted by successfully banning lootboxes.

>Videogames will.

Because of abusive monetization being regulated?

>>15803700

Why would I think you would do that even if I asked? Doesn't it go against your entire mantra to report rule breakers that have gone unnoticed by a system of rules, regardless of the rules they're breaking, because enforcing the rules upon them is authoritarian expansion? The same should apply here.

>>15803729

Because your board owner is a kike. And you seem to understand law, and the incorruptible aspects of Kikes. If he was objective, he wouldn't be arbitrarily following his rules. But favoritism seems to be a thing around here, and the government employees, esp. FTC.

So do we cite rule 8, or let the spam continue?

>>15803755

It's evidenced by your repeated calling of the post "spam" that you don't even know what you're talking about. It was a single shitpost, not one being spammed.

>>15803773

Oh my bad, I didn't know derailing a thread wasn't spam. My mistake. That's Rule 1. Rule 8 is

>If you are deliberately shitting up, constantly derailing a certain thread, or excessively using an avatar persona, you may be banned and your posts may be deleted.

Copy pasta off topic wouldn't fit this description?

>>15803786

>Calling a single shitpost meant to be laughed at a derail, something that is supposed to provoke an off topic response from many anons

You just get more retarded by the post, don't you?

>>15803811

I'm unsure. How about you prescribe me a doctor to check how retarded I'm becoming. Also, btw what did your counsel say about mistaking gambling laws with this mandate?

I mean, the investigation.

@2adad9 #15803714

Dear anon,

These types of passive aggressive tricks to avoid giving a (You) on a screen are pretty pathetic and are hilarious to show how butthurt the user using them is. To go the extra effort of not just clicking on their post number, but to manually change the format to OWN THAT FELLER THAT'LL SHOW HIM NO (You) for you! HAHAHA I WIN. I'M NOT BUTTHURT AT ALL. I am forced to actually side with the huenigger beause you are such a faggot, holy shit.

Furthermore, you are such a technilogically retarded newfag that you don't know that Tor users wouldn't even be enabling javascript in the first the first place, they never see a (You) at all no matter how you quote them since JS is always disabled.

You could be a man and just call them a faggot upfront, but instead your beta nature forces you to act like a woman and resort to passive aggresive tricks instead. Where are your balls? Be a man and be upfront instead of being a bratty bitch.

Sincerly,

Anonymous Shitposter

–sent from my iPhone 9s

>>15803714

Faggot.

>>15803938

Which rule do you want me to report you under for breaking the rules :^)

>>15803938

Post the full one faggot.

>>15804563

Ohhhhhh that's the TOR ID for this thread, I see what's going on.

>tfw lockbox addicts i know are in genuine panick about their fix being taken away, comparing lockboxes to trading card packs and screaming that having to earn rewards through gameplay is 'ableist'.

This is a free entertainment. i've paid for far worse.

>>15805180

Design a simple skinner box and scam them yourself.

>>15791307

While that is a nice ass, those calves are even better.

>>15805180

>trading card packs

What a silly comparison. TCG companies don't regulate the secondhand market. That's how they keep themselves safe from gambling accusations

>it's 'ableist' because i have to work for the rewards and can't just buy them

Accelerationism has really gotten to some people

>>15805727

I didn't know you can to play money to have a pokemon encounter. Jesus christ you fucks are grasping

>15805727

You are a dumb nigger brain.

>>15806008

I find it hilarious that you think rules/laws will be written in a perfect way that only does exactly what you want. Laws are written very broadly now to ensue the government has more control and can punish a wider majority of people.

>>>/v/15803936

>>>/v/15805312

If only the impotence fueling your rage was great enough to make (you) too impotent to shit up this board.

>>15804033

If you don't think government can have an effect on the economy, why are you screeching so hard about regulation?

>>15805180

Almost as amusing is the passive-aggressive woe-is-me whimpering of corporations in Belgium. e.g.:

>"We strongly believe that our games are developed and implemented ethically and lawfully around the world, and take these responsibilities very seriously. We care deeply that our players are having a fun and fair experience in all of our games, and take great care to ensure each game is marketed responsibly, including in compliance with regional ratings standards. We welcome the dialogue with Minister Geens on these topics, as we do not agree that our games can be considered as any form of gambling."

- EA

>"The Belgium Gaming Commission (BGC) has stated that games which include certain ‘loot box’ style mechanics violate gambling laws in Belgium. While we disagree with this position, we are working to comply with the BGC’s current interpretation of these laws. As a result, we have made some local changes to the MyTeam mode. These changes are necessary in order for us to accommodate the BGC’s interpretation of the Belgian Gaming Act. Specifically, we will be turning off the ability to purchase packs with premium (non-earned) currency/VC.Gamers are still able to acquire packs with MyTeam points. We will be continuing conversations with the BGC in order to explain our view on how NBA 2K and MyTeam pack purchases already comply with local laws. If you agree, we recommend that you contact your local government representative to communicate your opinion. We will keep the community posted on any developments. We apologize for any inconvenience."

-2K

>>15806004

TCGs really should be next on the chopping block. Imagine where the RPG market would be if MtG whalebux hadn't allowed WotC to perpetuate what TSR had become and create 3e.

>>15806053

>>15805727

>regulating business models

>regulating game design

>related in any way, shape, or form

Just stop charging money for it and the problem goes away

>>15806053

Yes goy! Watch out for the government trying to control you! Just let us control you instead! We're just poor little private businesses! Not like the big bad government! Now don't question us or we'll ban you from the internet and harass your bank until they won't process your transactions anymore!

>>15806116

They don't control me I'm an adult and don't buy garbage just because it has a name I recognize slapped on to it. Everyone is turning on these assholes and hurting their stock prices and sales are down. Why are you now wanting the government to step in and regulate the shit.

>>15806145

>Why are you now wanting the government to step in and regulate the shit.

I don't want big government but this shit is arguably worse than gambling and a terrible business practice on top.

>>15806145

Because normalfags have short memory's and they will come flocking back to these company's after the next sport's ball or call of doody come's out.

>>15806053

Yeah. Rules/law are inherently poorly written. They shouldn't exist. :^)

>>15806063

>If you don't think government can have an effect on the economy, why are you screeching so hard about regulation?

I'm for enforcing gambling laws on lootboxes as they ought to be, but you might want to reread his post and consider why your response is retarded.

>Why are you now wanting the government to step in and regulate the shit.

People are only turning on it when the frog is being boiled too fast like with nuBattlefront. They just slow down the process a little bit and everything is fine to consumers. Remember how everyone went "WE DID IT REDDIT" when EA "fixed" their shitty business model for nuBattlefront, even though in the very PR statement that they announced the removal of all microtransactions with, there was a little snippet that amounted to "we'll wait for everyone to stop caring and slip them back in later."? Right now there is an opportunity for the frog to stop being boiled for lootboxes at all, but you prefer they just turn down the heat a little.

Last part of >>15806207 meant for >>15806145

>>15806207

>Right now there is an opportunity for the frog to stop being boiled for lootboxes at all, but you prefer they just turn down the heat a little.

No I want the frog to climb out of the pot on it's own so it controls where it ends up. I don't want the government to pull the frog out of the pot and onto a frying pan.

>>15806149

Agreed and that's why I don't buy the garbage.

>>15806234

>No I want the frog to climb out of the pot on it's own so it controls where it ends up.

Why would it do that? The pot is comfortable and warm now that the heat has been turned down a little.

>investigate

who the fuck cares, they are just gonna turn around and say "Nope no gambling here" call me when something of value is done

I really don't care if loot boxes are in games, its the devs saying it's not gambling that gets to me.

just call it gambling and get it over with.

>>15806337

There is a chance this has riled up the "Think of the children brigade" and if anyone can get the gov off there ass it's them.

>>15798883

>>15806145

These regulations aren't about you and me, they're about the whales being abused as janissaries against actual games and actual gamers. Unless we cut off the flow of whalebux to bad devs, the industry can never improve.

>>15806207

Some things are amenable to regulation, or at least to regulation getting the ball rolling. This is one of them.

>>15806337

Bans of varying strength already in force from Netherlands to China, there's even jail sentences coming down the pike in Belgium.

>>15806432

This is something I'm counting on. A lot of loathsome practices like lootboxes and P2W are concrete enough to be legally defined and banned, but a lot of other things (freemium, microtransactions, DLC, clickers, mobileshit/socialshit) are too fuzzy to be legislated against, so perhaps a "halo effect" of sorts, relying on public outrage from the soccer mom crowd can bully publishers and platform holders (Sony, Nintendo, MS, Apple, Google) into dropping them.

>>15806534

Is that a duck girl with tits?

>>15806540

It's a bee with a chiseled chest

Jews killed his grandfather who inhabited the lake that they dried in the six day war

>>15806554

That saddens me as a pervert

although a buff bee girl is hot too

>>15806501

No but I could see a law being written where if a game has any kind of DLC it won't be allowed to have any kind of random chance. Or expansion content won't be allowed to have any kind of random chance. You have to remember big corporations are terrified of getting brought to court by government or having a game "banned". So they will interpret the law as broadly as possible.

>>15807008

How and why? The definition of gambling is that you can spend infinite amounts of money while acquiring nothing. Random chance mechanics in DLC/expansions can't meet that standard the way lootboxes or other freemium garbage do, unless the game deleted itself after each playthrough or something.

I could certainly see something that required a subscription fee and had random chance mechanics getting raped by such laws, but that wouldn't be anything of value.

>>15807435

that "regulation" was just an outright ban, not the formation of a government board to arbitrate things like how many points you should give a free ball at.

>>15791307

I want to fuck her baby making industry

>>15806145

If you think just not buying itmeans it doesn't affect you or your hobby then you're sadly mistaken. Consumers getting mad doesn't stop them from consuming, especially when they're addicted. I want the government to step in because unlike a basic bitch libertarian I recognize that seeing powerful people swing the big stick at something is the only way most people can recognize it as being 'bad' and in need of actual change. There's no such thing as a consumer revolution.

>>15807525

Sounds good to me!

>>15795942

>willpower

>the masses that bring in 98% of shekels

look at this dood

>>15804033

>make the stupid stop being so fucking stupid.

And how do you propose to do that?

Why so afraid, mods?

>>15806063

Too afraid of the inevitable regulations to come, impotent corporate shill?

>>15806145

To ruin them even more.

No sacrifice is too big if it means ending corporations. Also, this >>15806202 and this >>15806499

>>15806337

We care. And if it is so "useless", let it happen anyway. Afraid of something?

>>15807417

>Too bad regulation does practically no harm to big corps

Then, why all the fear? Let it happen, if it is so "harmless", just to see where (we already know) it goes.

>>15807525

A complete ban on lootboxes and other anti-consumer practices is one of the goals, yes. One step at a time.

>>15798385

>Lootboxes are gambling, and the government already regulates gambling

I'm against them regulating that too. Addicts are defective, be it genetics or culture is irrelevant. Rip up all the safety nets and let them fall into the abyss already, natural selection must be allowed to prune our society of these undesirables.

>>15801312

>So you're in favor of totally unregulated corporate greed, in a system that couldn't function without state power to sustain their property "rights"?

This is a valid point, we don't actually have a free market while the idea that you can own ideas still stands. We must also get the government out of regulating the space of IP and throw out the copyright/patent systems wholesale, which will make it way easier for new competitors to enter the market with a better product.

>>15814351

It's truly a drag, because Magic is actually a legitimately fun game in and of itself, but it's fucking impossible to just play it while avoiding the shitty meta around it, including buying cards. I play it occasionally with a friend because he's into that shit, and he can build decks for fun pick-up-and-play sessions, but he also burns all his free time and most of his cash into the game, to the point that he's dropped over $20k on Magic cards (they are actually still worth about $20k, surprisingly, but the time investment that it would take for him to actually sell them means that he effectively can't, because most of them he'd have to offload card-by-card, and he also is emotionally attached to them). He's living paycheck-to-paycheck in a shitty apartment built from the attic of a 100-year-old house with $20k in assets that he can't move sitting in his closet.

>>15824363

You have no idea how bad things really are do you?

Addicts, whether to drugs or gambling never just hurt themselves, they hurt themselves directly and their immediate family and society indirectly and in many cases directly as well.

Gamblers destroy their families and waste their savings, "bet the farm" on it and lose everything, then what? There will never exist a big safety net to catch any one single family much less the hundreds of thousands all over america who are probably just as addicted to playing the lottery.

Same with drugs, people who turn to turning tricks at the corner, or to crime to feed their addictions.

We either kill these people outright, sterilize them, lock them up in homes for the crazy or whatever, take your pick but doing nothing about it is not kicking the can down the road it's allowing the problem to get much much worse.

>>15824516

>Well, you need evidence that WotC are knowingly throttling, or manipulating, the card market to earn money.

Well this is bullshit because as you said, even if it is third parties doing the printing, some cards are printed at a much much lower rate than others and for the purpose of the game, these "rare" and "legendary" cards are made with effects that affect game play that are much more desirable than others, namely, rare and legendary rarity designated cards.

WOTC makes more money by more packs getting sold, more packs get sold with people looking to open these rare and legendary cards.

Unless you know someone who prints them, then you're in luck, I guess.

>>15824363

No. Because corporations profit from them, and get more money and more influence.

If you truly want to implement natural selection, push for laws that allow a person to freely kill addicts without suffering any consequence.

>>15824526

This.

>>15824553

Stop buying them is a good first step. Never being a part of any of it is another good step.

>>15824526

>Addicts, whether to drugs or gambling never just hurt themselves, they hurt themselves directly and their immediate family and society indirectly and in many cases directly as well.

Better that than the Government getting involved tbh.