/v/ - Video Games

>>15771397

I'm skeptical about the installs. The only one that actually took time to install was RDR2 (one and a half fucking hours) for 100GB. Possibly The Witcher 3 had a long install time with the GOTY edition but I'm unsure. Pretty sure the install sizes and how "quick" they install means that nothing is actually installed except maybe a config. Probably a way to get people to buy the newest version of the console with a slightly higher HDD capacity.

>installing

You mean copying everything from the disc into the console. Which is the most retarded thing to ever come out of consoles.

>>15771424

>(one and a half fucking hours) for 100GB

Holy shit that's a long time to you? It took me almost a day to install it. What's your internet speed?

>>15771552

The fuck are you talking about?

Though admittedly i don't know about how the 8th generation works, but that still seems extremely unlikely to me, things can't possibly be this retarded and nonsensical in current year, can they?

>>15771614

It's to reduce loading times since even console games are so fucking massive (data vise) these days you fucking tardlet. Reading a disc is slower than an SSD or even a HDD. Consoles are just DRM boxed PC's. When was the last time you played a PC game without installing it first?

>>15771623

I thought it was largely for digital games that people were talking about. I never realized it somehow spread to physical copies.

>>15771645

Installing a physical game to PC isn't copying every fucking file over to the HDD/SSD on the fucking disc, it was generally only a fraction.

>>15771645

When was the last time you had to wait for a game to install when you put it on a console? This was the whole point of the console existing in the first place, to cut down installing and go directly to the game.

Nowadays consoles are nothing but try-hard wannabe computers.

>>15771645

Actually it's because the data on the disk is compressed and installing the game decompresses it

It has nothing to do with disk read speed and everything to do with having enough space on the disk

>>15771561

That's the physical install time. It comes on 2 discs.

I fucking love Mark honestly

I dislike rugga though

>buy ps4 game

>beat it in a week

>return it for a full refund

>wait a year to get a complete edition which doubles the content, has all patches, no future updates and will be ideal for life

>also 1/3rd the price

If i were Irish this would be the loife.

>>15771689

An HDD reads data at about 10x the speed of a DVD, which reads at about 3x the speed of a CD. Running a game from the disc is a LOT slower.

>>15771724

Except the HDD read speed on PS4 Pro/Scorpio is like 35MBps max, they don't even hit SATA II speeds

>>15771998

>>15771724

Let me also add that going from a 5400RPM 1TB drive to a top of the line SSD at most only shaves 4-5 seconds at most off the loading times because the SATA bus on modern consoles is absolute fucking dog shit, you actually get much faster load times through the USB 3.X ports because USB 3.X is a forced standard

Remember when console players would laugh at PC players for having to install games first? How times have changed.

>>15771661

> I never realized it somehow spread to physical copies.

Have you been living under a rock for the past decade? If so, can I move in with you? I am sick of the current year.

> Installing a physical game to PC isn't copying every fucking file over to the HDD/SSD on the fucking disc, it was generally only a fraction.

Not if you did a full install. A minimal install would copy just the executable and some libraries, but leave assets on the dics. If it was a multi-disc game like Baldur's Gate you would have to swap out discs if the area you walked into was not on the current disc. If a game offered to option to do a full install it could copy all assets over as well, the disc was only used to satisfy the CD check DRM. This is why No-CD cracks can even work in the first place.

>>15771645

Installation takes like 60 seconds MAX for a PC game.

Who still uses physical game CDs? What year is this? 2005?

>>15771552

No most of the time it downloads huge patches from servers that are bigger than the game on the disc.

>Buying anything new for a Soyny console..

Between games going digital and mass censorship, things are going to get really messy.

>>15771689

Nope, usually no decompression happens. The files just get copied, whether they're compressed or not. And the reason for installs isn't the slightly faster throughput, HDDs aren't that much faster than current consoles Bluray drives in that aspect. They have vastly faster seek times though. Even the slow HDDs in consoles have around the same order of magnitude faster seek times than optical drives as SSDs have faster seek times than HDDs.

>>15772379

>The Xbone should have just fucking been a cheap Windows 10 box

I thought it was?

>>15772379

>Switch

>tablet

It's just a console with the option to have the screen glued to the controls, kind of like the memevidya shield.

>>15771614

>>15771661

That's how it's been since last gen, for the PS3 anyhow. While some games could still play directly off disc, most couldn't, and some of the ones that could had optional installs so they'd run better. Tales of Vesperia PS3 being a case where without the install, synth nodes on the overworld would spawn in and out at will, and often you'd get attacked by enemies that were invisible (turning a game intended to have on field encounters into pseudo-random). Thankfully using the fan-translation with it requires the game to be on your drive already, so there's no doubling up the install. I was honestly surprised when Odin Sphere Leifthrasir didn't have one and ran just fine as is.

The good news is that at least with a physical copy, you don't have to deal with downloading the entire game from a server at a longer duration of time (and being reliant on servers being up), but on the other hand that doesn't exactly help for stuff you'd need a server for: patches, extra content, etc, which don't seem to be stored separate from the game data anymore (though I might be misremembering the PS3).

>>15771424

Installing from disc they certainly did improve upon from the PS3 (15 minutes for a 10gb disc), but having to download updates and such still takes a good while.

>>15771720

You want bad, I had a good connection at the time, and it took six fucking hours to download Yakuza 5 back when it was new. Dead of night as well, so the servers shouldn't have been clogged. I thought at the time 22GB of data was absurd for a game size. How naive that turned out to be. I thought it was weird finding out Lost Odyssey was a four fucking disc 360 game, and yet now you've companies going back to PS2 era of multiple discs of content, only this time it's just partial install discs instead of all the disc's content being playable as is.

>>15771701

I've been meaning to at least give Bloodborne: GotY an import, because fuck giving SoA money at this point for DLC (or anything, really), but from what I can tell, the copies Amazon exporters/sellers with preimported copies are dealing in these days are apt to be a print with multilanguage front and back, with Arabic dunecoonrunes right on the front to promote just how goatfucker friendly the game is, and having one of those on my shelf would feel dirty, to be honest.

>>15772140

Depends on the game. Initial releases in their region of origin (or for games intended for worldwide release from the start) are apt to see day one patches for content that got tweaked after the discs starting being printed, but when released in other parts of the world as a staggered afterthought, can have those fixes built in to whatever version is current at time of printing. Some games released here get no patches.