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>>15760792

Black Mesa can be enjoyed but it has too many gameplay and map changes.

Spyro Remake is literally the same game though

Xen was the weakest part of the original game and it's no sin to remake it entirely in their own vision. OP is a contrarian.

>>15760756

Valve has to work hard to remove the stench of Hunt Down The Freeman, otherwise these faggots are taking their sweet time, some of these levels are gaudy.

>>15760808

Yeah, because it depended to heavily on first person platforming, which wasn't great. Not because of any of the things OP listed.

Porn where?

Tbh I wish someone would make a remake for OpFor to bring more attention to it, I enjoyed that game more than Half Life

>>15760918

It also looked like shit. They even kept some of the elements from it in the new version, but you're saying it's shit up front before even playing it. You don't get to say it's good or bad before finding out if they did a good job with the levels, since they're supposed to be entirely new, a trailer isn't going to show you much beyond visuals.

I'm shocked that other developers somehow find ways to rehaul Source Engine to look really nice, like Respawn with Titanfall 2, or these indie fucks, while actual Valve games on Source all somehow look dated, even if the art design in them is top-notch. Even their VR game demos on Source 2 looked like ass. How fucking hard is it to use your own technology?

>>15761006

Valve hasn't made a game in over a decade, anon.

Jesus Christ, do all games have to look like toddler shit nowadays?

we went from "EVERYTHING MUST BE BROWN" to "EVERYTHING MUST BE TODDLERSHIT". Wonder if devs will ever discover a balance between those

>>15761107

What the fuck was with the AI in BMS? It was either locking on at 2000 feet or it was just broken and braindead.

>>15760808

>Original part in the game is a mess

>So let's make a mess with a different skin

Kys

>>15760968

>I-it isn't out so you can't question it!

Point is, it doesn't look like the original, and in fact it looks worst, in regard of art direction, at least. The original felt like a destroyed alien world, this one looks more like out of a fucking Pixar movie.

>>15761116

>Falling for obvious bait

>>15761140

>The original felt like a destroyed alien world

No it doesn't. It's a habitat for some wildlife like head crabs, flora and fauna, and then it's like an airport for mantarays that shoot lasers, and then its a factory where they make the big aliens for you in comically large barrels and then it's a series of empty rooms they didn't do anything interesting with.

>>15761193

It's pretty obvious satire you fucking idiot

mite b cool

>>15761199

DA JOOOOOS!

Considering the fact that black mess was undeniably the worst part of hl1, taking artistic liberties is probably an improvement.

Unfortunately the designers were too liberal with changing the earlier parts of hl1, but it would be genuinely difficult to make zen a worse experience than the long useless rooms, bulletsponge enemies and disappointing final boss with no context or backstory in a story focused fps.

>>15761252

That zen was the worst part of hl1*

>>15761252

I can't remember Zen except for that one vertical map with vortegaunts everywhere fucking shit up. I hated that room.

>>15760756

>Xen was supposed to be dark and dreary and slimy and unnerving. This has bright lights and pretty shit

Xen had elements of visual flair that you simply aren't remembering. Obviously it wasn't as dense as modern tech can achieve, but it did exist.

The original Xen was a fucking mess to be honest. I look forward to seeing an overhaul.

>>15761159

>Having fauna means it's thriving with life

>Implying the fauna wasn't injected there

>Implying the whole thing wasn't completely destroyed

You say it yourself, Xen is a slave world, destroyed by other aliens so the species there aren't exactly native of Xen. This one, again, just feels like Wreck-it-Ralph in another planet.

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>>15761239

>>>/leftypol/

>>15761239

>>>/reddit/

>>15760756

Holy shit all these assortments of random Sci-Fi fluff makes this look like a James Cameron wet dream.

This looks silly as fuck!

>original xen

>barren, dark, hostile, with small patches of bright life, beauty, and safety

>black mesa xen

>everything made out of coral and crystals, with color and lights everywhere. focus is obviously on making things look pretty and ethereal, rather than alien and hostile

I've rarely seen a point missed this hard.

>>15761239

>t. kike

>>15763330

>assuming the limitations of a first time developer as intended results and quality

>>15760756

I honestly don't care about what they fucking do with Xen as long as it's interesting to play.

But here's the thing I don't expect the retards over at CC to be able to pull that off if they couldn't do more than slap shitty bloom everywhere in 4 years of paid early access.

>>15765352

Whether or not it was the original intent is irrelevant. That is what people got and that is the perception of Xen left in everyone's minds.

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I wonder who is behind that post?

>>15765638

And many people didn't like it.

I think overall it looks pretty damn good but holy fuck, what did they do to the Gonarch

>>15763330

HL came out in 1998. Its not like lots of games did it better before. Judge the game by the standards of the time.

>>15765352

Limitations don't completely decide art direction. Goldsource is perfectly capable of depicting brighter, more colorful environments with more flora and fauna. But they didn't do that. Look at >>15762966, particularly the textures. Do those spires look like any beautiful or living structure? No, they look like something Geiger would paint, and to say that was accidental is to say the texture artist was either blind or retarded.

>>15765913

People didn't like the emphasis on platforming and the level design, not the environs themselves.

>>15766007

It's for sale on steam, actually.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/362890/Black_Mesa/

>>15760799

>Spyro Remake is literally the same game though

It really isn't though. In the original game everything was clear as day. In the new game they crammed it with useless details and bad coloring making it harder to instantly recognize things.

Imagine still playing valve games in current year.

Imagine still hoping they will one day release their stupid game.

Imagine praying that you will one day have another opportunity to pay valve $60

Imagine still holding on to nostalgia over a series that was never even good to begin with.

Imagine being this retarded.

Un fucking believable.

>>15766123

seething doombabby

>>15766036

>It's for sale on steam, actually.>>15766053

>>15766174

I was under the impression the Steam version was only for people who wanted to give the team money, as an attempt to standardize the donation level. Did something change?

>>15766206

I don't necessarily disagree with some of your points, but must you type like a woman?

>>15766223

>I don't necessarily disagree with some of your points, but must you type like a woman?

Explain.

>>15766235

It's the stress mark of placing your wrist on the desk instead of having it hover ergonomically, a "true sign of a PC gamer," I guess is the idea behind it? I have the same marks on my wrist, so I'm assuming that's what it is anyway.

>>15766223

>I was under the impression the Steam version was only for people who wanted to give the team money, as an attempt to standardize the donation level.

no idea. I'm just surprised that they can just take a game, "remake" it or whatever and ask for money without valve dropping the law on them

>>15766235

It means you rub your hand into a mousepad 8 hours every day.

>>15766235

if you play PC games a lot you tend to have your wrist on a desk, hence the discolored mark.

>>15766235

>>15766240

>true sign of a PC gamer

yeah that's basically it. it is/was a shitty expression, but it does refer to

>>15766252

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>>15766223

The original stated "intention" of Black Mesa was to be a free mod. But then Gabe Newell gave them his full blessing so long as they removed the word Source from the name (cause that made it seem official), and told them to feel free to monetize the game however for their efforts. So they decided because they couldn't remove the free version of Black Mesa that they would create a paid version of Black Mesa and have the free version. And they claimed that the paid version was to help fund the game development, and that they would update the free version eventually to have the same content. Then they admitted that wasn't going to happen and that they were dropping support for the free version entirely to focus exclusively on the paid version and that they had no real intentions of updating it.

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>>15766256

that's fucking retarded, I use the PC 80% of my waking hours and I don't have that shit

>>15766280

Do you perhaps have a wrist rest or a titty mouse pad?

>>15766280

Perhaps you sit higher up than I do. Most of the weight of my arm is focused right there where my palm meets my arm.

>>15766174

You should pirate it, but one could say it's better than shit down the freeman at least.

Looks neat to me. But then, I don't give a shit about half life anymore.

>>15761283

>Xen had elements of visual flair that you simply aren't remembering.

Because it wasn't worth remembering. It wasn't dark or dreary, it looked like a bowl of melted orange color ice cream someone smeared about.

>>15766300

That's true, it's been 11 fucking years, and 20 years (and 3 days) since the first game released. Who the fuck is still excited about a franchise that its own creators lost interest in? Even the spinoff sister franchise Portal has been dormant for 7 years. It's dead, Jim.

>>15766330

The mouse has nothing to do with it.

>>15766390

the image is mostly here to visualize the times. read the rest of my post

>>15766206

>Go play your usual games and stop bitching about someone putting in the hard work to do what you couldn't.

>I don't see you doing better, so you can't criticize it

Was it your intention to sound like a fanboy that's butthurt that someone dare criticize the game?

>It looks just as alien and strange as the original Xen

No, it looks like they just removed the water from a coral reef and stuck some crystals in it.

>That's been the point of Black Mesa the whole time

No, the point was to make a proper remake taking advantage of the Source engine, unlike the token effort that was Half-Life Source. It wasn't advertised as a "personal interpretation" by the devs, but a proper upgrade of the original.

>but there were HEV suit corpses with no helmets.

No there weren't. Maybe in one of the Gearbox games, but every HEV-suited corpse in the original game, which this is a remake of, had the helmet on.

>You were never going to buy Black Mesa in the first place

Mods shouldn't cost money in the first place, and if you think it's okay for them to, then you're obviously not from around here.

>>15766330

I used to have an Intellimouse 1.1, but the wear of time got to it and I decided that I'd rather not have one anymore than to redeem the "lifetime warranty" and get one of the modern Intellimouse replacements.

>>15766407

>Mods shouldn't cost money in the first place, and if you think it's okay for them to, then you're obviously not from around here.

Of course, that's the spirit. "G-go back to cuckchan!" "G-go back to reddit!" "Don't bring differing opinions to my personal bubble!"

Listen child, this ain't your secret club, and this isn't a mod anymore. Summer is over.

>>15766423

>replaced his old mouse with a (((modern))) one

How could you do something like that? Do you have no honor or charished pride in the devices that Companioned you for all those years?

>>15766235

I have a bone spur there.

>>15766476

Oh it's not that, it's just that it's fucked man. The scroll wheel wouldn't work half the time, couldn't use the mouse 3 (which by the way, can we stop using the scroll wheel as mouse 3?), the side-buttons weren't working anymore… It just wasn't any good anymore. So I retired it and put it in a glass case. I don't know how feasible it is to modify a mouse to make it work right again, but I also don't feel like I have the skills to do that without fucking it up. Now let me just say, it was already pretty messed up when I got it, I got it off of a friend and he got it from a friend, etc, etc. So when I got it it was already beaten to shit. But I used it for at least 12 years.

>>15766423

Ah, yes, dodge all my points by focusing on a single phrase in one, then claim the mod isn't a mod because you say so. You sure seem heavily invested in defending this mod.

yeah ok cool but what about FLOCKING?

>>15767022

You didn't just pick on nitpicks, you claimed the entire broad criticism of "if doesn't look like xen" was wrong to make, proceeded to say it's okay that it's different because it's the devs' personal vision (thus contradicting your earlier claim that it isn't that different), made an false statement concerning the original game, claimed that lacking the intent to purchase it somehow nullified any criticism made, and then pulled the "you didn't do the work so you have no right to complain" card faggots like to use. Then you proceeded to say that the mod is not a mod, even though it was advertised as a free mod for well over a decade, initially released as such, then had a 20$ price tag put on it three years later, with the only significant eventual addition being the Xen maps.

Black Mesa's Xen is different in a very important way. It's not nearly as hostile or disconcerting. Xen was supposed to make you feel like you weren't welcome. It was made of barren rocks sparse with life, what like there was tended to attack you, the corpses of your colleagues peppered the lands, bony protrusions stuck out of the ground in certain areas, and the only safety lied in small, rare pools of healing water that were often tucked away in hidden alcoves. It's a place where no human could survive on their own.

Meanwhile, Black Mesa's Xen is made to be pretty. It's nowhere near as hostile and alien, but rather resembles a fantasy landscape. It's turned from a world that doesn't want you to a world you're meant to tour around with your mouth agape at how weird and beautiful everything looks. It wants to entice you, not repel you. It wants you to be awe-inspired, not scared. And in doing so, it violated the very fundamental element that made Xen the dangerous border world that you only entered as a last resort to stop the alien invasion.

>If your biggest bitches are the superficial ones like color schemes and brightness

>color schemes and brightness

>superficial

Color and lighting are some of the most important and fundamental building blocks of art direction, you giant dullard. They are the most important aspects of setting mood and atmosphere. To call them superficial is to show that you have no clue how art works, and thus have no credibility to say that anons, criticizing the art direction, are wrong.

You are defending the game. You're claiming any and all criticism against Xen is superficial and wrong to make. You're defending putting a price tag on a once free mod, on a board that vehemently attacked the very concept of paid mods, and claiming it suddenly isn't a mod in order to do that.

>>15766252

I play on PC with a controller. You can do that these days. What a world.

>>15767174

controllers suck dick though. The only genres its okay at are done better with other devices like arcade sticks, racing wheels, HOTAS, etc.

none of the original BMS even work on the mod.

Though the fact is, they were always lazy. They used the alpha leak to go "oh no that's pushed back development, just like with valve ;-)" when the reality is, they just hadn't made that much progress at the time, and the leak probably showcased that. It's easy to make good looking screenshots, fully functional games are much more difficult.

This pretty much shows the flaw of "when it's done" attitude. I hate that people misinterperate that quote from nintendo man, because he doesn't mean to for it to be taken literally. If you have no driving force, you will never be done. black mesa: source can't even be done with funding even though it was originally promised to be a free mod. Are they not obligated to provide a finished product to their customers? Why are they being given the leniency of a mod team when it's a paid product? Who is the ceo of crowbar collective and how can I contact them to stop being deceptive and lazy? Why can I literally learn how to program from scratch and make a mod for a game with no documentation, APIs, or creation tools and STILL be finished before these fucks?

Ricochet:Source when?

>>15767268

April 12th!

>>15767232

"when it's done" is acceptable for a free mod, fan patch or a fan translation. But as soon as money exchanges hands you have a duty to deliver.

>>15760918

>Yeah, because it depended to heavily on first person platforming, which wasn't great.

HL/Quake air control makes it trivial to do platforming. I swear everytime I see this criticism of Xen I'm picturing someone who types like a grandma and hard presses the keys with a 3 second reaction. And then you laugh about DSP not being able to crouch jump. Anons please go play some vidya and stop spreading stupid shit like that here.

>>15767567

It's really just that the map where you have to ride the air currents or on the spike, and jump on alien manta rays to reach the teleporter fucking sucks. Everything else is fine.

>>15760756

You're an absolute fucking dolt.

Even Valve themselves had a big distaste for Xen, and this is an amazing piece of video game right here.

>>15767709

The same valve that proceeded to make Half Life 2, which wasn't nearly as good. And regardless, just because an idea might not have been executed properly, doesn't mean it should be replaced by something vastly more generic that misses the fucking point.

>>15760756

>making the worst part of HL1 larger

It no longer looks as lonely as it's supposed to. Too dense and looks more like something straight out of Xenoblade.

I have respect for the Black Mesa dev team, and even personally know a few people who worked on it, but they really seem to forget that they're remaking a game from the late 90's.

>>15775202

I think the problem is that everyone says Xen was the worst part of the original game, which prompted these devs to think "we need to fix that".

Hopefully it'll be fun.

>>15775270

this board is reddit cancer though

nice doublepost faggot

>>15760756

I'm still amazed that Black Mesa, with all its development hell, still managed to release before Half-Life 3 did. It used to be a running joke about which one would come out first.

>>15767709

>this is an amazing piece of video game right here.

>isn't even out yet

>remake that completely ruins the art style of the original for generic sci-fi shit

>barely three chapters

>>15775672

>posting unspoilered goblina

>>15779643

Mouth breathing not even once

>>15777938

Sort of, it's a genetic defect that made me go colorblind over time so I still vaguely remember what green is.

>>15779995

Anon we don't like to race mix.