f424db No.15725383
What do you think of Persona 1, 2IS and 2EP?
What was their problem?
You did punch Philemo, right?
EPP translation when?
fffe44 No.15725551
There's no reason to play Persona anymore now that If… is translated.
ffe945 No.15725554
>pre-3
There were Persona games before 3?
2140ca No.15725847
>>15725383
I would rate them in 2IS >2EP>1>>>>>>>>>>>every other persona after because they all suck. Shame they ruined the franchise but I hope that without that retard called Hashino someone with brain take over but I doubt it.
1 have actually good plot and characters even more if you count the snow queen quest but gameplay is really…meh and world map is one of the worst I even seen. Good thing there's the PSP "remake" - oh if only…imagine PE1 with graphics and such like PE2…but Atlus went the lazy route here - which at least fixed the map. Plus of course snow queen quest is a thing again.
PE2 Tsumi and batsu are goldem gems though I personally feel Tsumi was more epic and had better plot overall. That ending was also just so powerfull, so bittersweet…so strong that even make entire PE Batsu be all about it. Batsu kinda feels more like a giant epilogue because of that in way though not like it's a bad thing.
A shame they ruined series after 3 changing it to be appeal to retards that love waifu simulators with shitty anime weeaboo like plots which doesn't survive any serious analysis. That's not to mention how horrendous the characters are and some of them are just walking plotholes (seriously a dog and a robot can use persona now? Urgh…).
Anyway would love to discuss any of those games with people that aren't part of cancer for throwing money at Atlus after PE3 and onwards.
And yes I did punched Philemon. It just felt right and 100% canon…specially when you finally see who he is behind the mask.
3fc89c No.15725923
Persona 1 has aged like milk while Persona 2 remains the best of the series.
70318f No.15725935
>>15725383
>pre-3
But why? Persona is one of the few video game series' that has gotten better over time.
e154d6 No.15725971
>>15725935
Hashino, is that you? What are you doing here?
c2e293 No.15725982
>>15725383
>P1
I need to go back and give it another try. What I played was good even if combat's a little too focused on positioning
>P2IS
Fucking great. On my first playthrough (ps1 version) I wondered why Lisa can't speak English despite the rumor that she can. While the nuance is lost in translation, it turns out her evil clone speaks almost exclusively in English
>P2EP
No Hitler but still fucking great. Unlocking secrets by esoteric methods such as telling all 100 ghost stories was a delight
70318f No.15725999
>>15725971
But it's true. Persona got better after 3 and Shin Megami Tensei got worse after 3.
c2e293 No.15726049
>>15725999
While I enjoy p4 more than p3, p2 was the sweet spot
3 and beyond's year in the life storytelling style both lack impetus for moving the story forward at the player's pace and encourages guidefagging to make sure you're optimized.
There's just no urgency despite what's occurring in the plot because there's nothing you can do about it until the next full moon or whenever so go be a high school student
c562ad No.15726060
>>15725847
This,tbh. Except without looking like a retarded 16-year-old SJWeeb wrote it.
>>15726049
3-5's calendar system is it's worst problem. It basically railroads you and stifles a lot of gameplay until you reach some date instead of at your own pace.
88115d No.15726120
The only truly shit Persona games are 1 and 3. Persona's a love-it-or-hate-it series anyways and it's another series the majority of /v/ pretends to hate but secretly likes, same with Portal and Undertale.
70318f No.15726166
>>15726049
I think 2 is okay, but, for me, 3 was when Persona became it's very own series instead of just a SMT spinoff with a highschool setting. And P5 does what P4G and P3 do, but better.
>lack impetus for moving the story forward at the player's pace and encourages guidefagging
I don't feel that way. The calender system exists, because you're not meant to do everything on your first playthrough nor optimize every social link and make the game easier. It's impossible. Which is why Persona, especially 5, has alot of replayability. Also, guidefagging? I sure hope you guys don't do this.
50ee4d No.15726168
Persona 2 is the best game in the series, hands down. Also Maya is best girl.
88115d No.15726192
>>15726166
>SMT spinoff
Here's the thing you and a lot of people need to understand: The reason why I and a lot of people regard Persona as "not a real SMT game" isn't to insult the series at all, but because Persona really isn't an SMT game. In Japan Persona was marketed as its own thing and the only connections to SMT were the demons, the spells and the fact it was an RPG. In America, however, they slapped SMT onto P3 and 4 because they didn't think the games could sell on their own. It's only when they got popular that they realized they didn't have to do that and dropped the SMT branding for P5.
The argument of whether Persona is a real SMT game doesn't matter at all in my eyes. It's the same as arguing whether or not Smash is a fighting game, in that the answer ultimately doesn't matter at all.
c3471c No.15726218
>>15726192
Let me rephrase that for you
<mario kart is not a real mario game, because real mario is a platformer!
It may be true, but it's also very dull minded to point out. Capturing demanz to fight evil gods is SMT, the rest just adds colour.
88115d No.15726242
>>15726218
That's exactly why I said the argument doesn't matter. Saying that anything is "not a REAL (series/genre) game" isn't a legitimate criticism. It's not a legitimate defense for a game either of course, as I'll sometimes hear people say "oh DmC is a good game, just not a good Devil May Cry game" or something along those lines. Those people should be castrated.
70318f No.15726247
>>15726192
Persona is a spinoff in the way that Persona 1 is the sequel to SMT if… and SMT if… is a timeline in the SMT universe where the things that happaned in SMT 1 never occurred. But what I wanted to say is that Persona 1 & 2 are still very similar to mainline SMT games. And then 3 happened and so on.
8649fd No.15726252
>>15726120
>The only truly shit Persona games are 1 and 3.
I can agree with this for 3 at least.
>Persona's a love-it-or-hate-it series anyways and it's another series the majority of /v/ pretends to hate but secretly likes, same with Portal and Undertale.
Now that's some complete bullshit.
Portal 2 just took a dump over first one and Undertale seems to be only liked by resident furfags which squat on this board.
88115d No.15726270
>>15726252
>resident furfags which squat on this board
I mean I did say the majority of /v/, didn't I?
8649fd No.15726312
>>15726270
>Implying that furfags are majority of this board
Even if you include /monster/fags it's still not enough.
f1cdd0 No.15726360
>>15725554
It's almost like Atlas is ashamed of the older Persona titles. Persona 3 especially the PSP version still has themes and mechanics in common P 1 and 2. Especially with how the beginning Embraces j-horror and psychological horror tropes. As I recalled the prototype of Persona 3 actually looked a lot like Persona one, especially the battle system. While 4 and 5 are so radically different in tone and gameplay they feel like the start of a completely different series.
The original Persona games were very heavy on themes associated with Carl Jung and Joseph Campbell, slathered with a heavy layer of lovecraftian horror and Japanese mysticism. The original Persona 1 soundtrack is a masterpiece. And if you haven't listened to it yet definitely give it a try instead of the mediocre remix that is the PSP version. Although gameplay-wise the PSP version is probably Superior I just wish they had given soundtrack options. The art style character designs and setting of p1 have a very 90s anime horror feel. Stuff like Wicked City, demon city Shinjuku, vampire princess miyu and of course Pet Shop of Horrors. And then the style of persona 2 seems to be more sci-fi inspired.
Storytelling of persona 2 also has a lot in common with anime of the early 2000s, especially with the 2 along animated promos that come on the discs. Seems a lot like the team wanted to pitch an anime since the story was so convoluted it really could have used a small OVA series to clear a few things up.
f1cdd0 No.15726430
Another thing to think about is that the first two (technically three) Persona games were produced in the mid-90s / early 2000s. On the original PlayStation. The majority of the current player base probably wasn't even alive back then, and those that were definitely didn't play those games. As they were fairly obscure when they came out especially in the United States and Europe. I've seen a good number of posts from younger modern weebs stating they can't stand to watch 90s anime. It's probably a similar situation in Japan. And You wouldn't catch any of the original series characters in a dancing game that's for sure.
5336b0 No.15726935
>>15726168
>Maya is best girl
objective truth right here fellas
914c05 No.15727107
Persona 1 is the perfect blend of old school dungeon crawler with JRPG. There's still nothing quite like it, so obviously some people don't like it. I adore it myself.
The Persona 2 games are decent, though the fusion system is more annoying and you have less character choices, less equipment choices, etc etc. Not so much dungeon crawler anymore but that allowed them to do more interesting things with plot I suppose. Also lots of Cthulhu mythos stuff, so that's cool. The combo system unfortunately becomes a necessity, leading to very choreographed boss fights.
Persona 3+ should be a different series entirely. Hampered with the garbage press turn system, your choices further reduced with not even being able to change ally personas, the negotiation system entirely gutted, etc. The unique and strange personas of 1 and 2 are replaced with 3D models cut and paste from nocturne. Random dungeons and bland, terrible enemies (shadows).
c2e293 No.15727137
>>15726192
I suppose you think Majin Tensei, Last Bible, Devil Summoner, Devil Children, Digital Devil Story, Devil Survivor, etc. are "their own thing"
They aren't part of the Shin Megami Tensei series in Japan, this is true. Because in Japan SMT is a subseries of a greater Megami Tensei series of series to which all of the above belong. The connection was always implicit. Persona itself went under the subseries title Megami Ibunroku
ed519f No.15727186
>>15727137
Isn't every game's "universe" connected to through something called the mandala network or something?
843713 No.15727190
>>15726360
IIRC there was a quote from an interview where someone at atlus said that Persona 3 was either the worst selling or the worst received, in part due to its dark themes, so they are avoiding them from now on. I wish I could see the source.
>Short hair
Legit Faggot
843713 No.15727198
>>15727190
>I wish I could see the source.
*I wish I would find the source
ec297c No.15727207
>>15726168
>workaholic
>never cleans up her room
>eats canned crab 24/7 and smells like it too
>Tamaki
>engaged to best boy and therefor is the best girl
>still single since fanboys sent death threats to her husbando
>devil summoner with a gun comp
c2e293 No.15727256
>>15727186
the Amala network, yes
c2e293 No.15727265
>>15727190
I know the interview you're referring to. It was poorly received among parents because of the suicide theme.
ed519f No.15727375
>>15727265
Alleged suicide themes considering they don't even kill themselves or anything.
c2e293 No.15727443
>>15727375
Consider that in Japan, the evokers were just regular guns. Summoning your persona required overcoming your fear of death.
The persona stitched you back together even as the bullet passed through your skull. It did this every time you cast a spell.
ed519f No.15727471
>>15727443
Yep, I remember that, you basically had a "suggestive death" experience to release your persona, if anything it was weird in P4 with those "cards" in 1 and 2 it was just summoning and I liked that not just the MC would be able to equip multiple personas.
61e966 No.15727504
>>15726060
3-5s worst problem is the social link system.
c2e293 No.15727514
>>15727471
>in 1 and 2 it was just summoning and I liked that not just the MC would be able to equip multiple personas.
I can think of a reason for that in lore but it's still kind of stupid: Did the characters in 3-5 ever play the persona game (the one where you walk around a perimeter and tap the next next person in turn, depicted in 1 and 2IS)?
The problem with this as the source of being able to use multiple personas is that Igor treats being able to call on more than one as a rarity in 3 and 4
ed519f No.15727543
>>15727514
That's the thing but even then it is basically explained in the earlier games how there is more than just one alternate self so it made sense people were able to use different ones, the only difference was some compatibility.
c91958 No.15728048
>>15726360
i remember hearing the old atlus composers used to make fun of Meguro for being kinda ass with the software, I like his music, but I really do think the classic composers had more talent and skill with the hardware
c91958 No.15728111
>>15725847
I thought P2:EP was ass, honestly. Boring re-tread with boring characters, throw in PS1 characters for the fan-service. IS was really perfect on its own, I wish they had done more with EP as another reality (even to the extent of re-writing all the events of PS1), but I guess that would have been too much.
b24f4b No.15728246
>p1-2
>good story and characters
>shit gameplay
>p3-5
>shit story and characters
>also shit gameplay
I dunno. This franchise just can't be good even when it wants to.
2140ca No.15729254
>>15725551
Oh yeah gotta play If! Will be nice to finally see how Tamaki's journey was and all. That game was also pretty much the prototype of Persona so that also should make it interesting.
>>15726060
Clearly not everyone have your perfect superior knowledge of the english language so fuck off. At least you aren't sheep that likes Persona after 3 though so that's good.
>>15726168
This so much. It was a mistake to have her become a silent protagonist in EP even if it makes an interesting contrast and parallel with Tatsuya; you never have a game in which both actually talk to each other despite both being so important in both of the games. But in IS? She's pure gold as a character. When I compare her with the other female characters from the other personas specially Marie…it's just painful.
>>15728111
I know what you mean and it's part of why I and many other fans prefer IS. They should have done something to make EP be able to stand more of its own but in the end it just felt like a big epilogue for IS.
It would have been so awesome if IS had rewritten at least part of the plot of 1 to make the characters of 1 do more in EP or maybe have more relevance. I didn't minded the characters of 1 in EP. Yeah it was fan-service but it was good; ironically game kinda is as an epilogue for most of them since you do see what they're doing after their experiences of PE1. In fact I wish they have done a lot more with them; imagine for example if you could play with the protagonist of 1 as well in at least one dungeon for ex. What he would say in this game to the protagonists of both IS and EP? Or what contact he would have with Maiya and Tatsuya…or both? Certainly would have been quite interesting.
25056a No.15729316
>Neogaf/Resetera about Persona 2
>18 years later, and Persona 2 remains the most progressive JRPG about homosexuality.
http://archive.fo/h4LXX
Neogaf/Resetera about Persona 5
>>15728789
I'm starting to see a pattern here.
113128 No.15729349
>>15725383
They're the only good Personas. Fuck the rest of the series. Gay social link bullshit is a horrid idea.
fdc4d8 No.15729495
>>15725383
>What do you think of Persona 1, 2IS and 2EP?
1 is the best, 2 is a bit too dumbed down on the gameplay but has a great story and writing. Too bad they never continued the series.
>EPP translation when?
What translation? It's already in Japanese.
2140ca No.15735417
>>15725999
Nah both got worse after 3.
fdc4d8 No.15737309
>>15735417
I'd say in P3's case it's less that it got worse and more that it maintained the same "absolute fucking bottom of the barrel garbage" level of quality.
2140ca No.15742332
>>15725554
It seems that's how all the sheep that only praise 3 or 4 seem to think.
2140ca No.15745353
>>15725923
Which 2? Innocent sin or Eternal Punishment? Or you're speaking as if both are two parts of same story which isn't wrong?
3673fd No.15745458
>>15726360
Here's my edit from the last time someone used that image. Rate my OC
3673fd No.15745486
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>>15726360
>>15726430
Can we take this time to talk about some… one …thing that got abandoned and never talked about ever again?
88115d No.15745499
>>15745486
Isn't it stated somewhere that she and Nameless are still in the Velvet Room, just off-screen in 3-5?
3673fd No.15745633
>>15745499 (check'd)
Now that you mention it I seem to vaguely remember something like that. It makes sense since you still hear nameless playing and her singing, although it'd be kinda odd given the location of the velvet room in 4.
ce105c No.15748187
I still think the EP crew is my favorite of the franchise. SEES takes second place and I legitimately like P3 despite it being largely experimental and starting the other problems I've come to dislike in Persona titles.
>>15726166
>Persona, especially 5, has alot of replayability
Problem is that unlike a PS1 era RPG which can run you around 30+ hours. Persona games from the PS2 and up easily hit 120+ hours. It also does require some form of guide to maximize social link progression as sometimes you will lose entire weeks of time to cutscenes and automated events so it's not like you have all the time out there to work with. It's not unsafe to say that optimizing social links requires ignoring large swaths of the games secondary content and minigames in favor of only working towards optimal links.
So "replayability" must also factor in whether or not the player even wants to do that instead of just maxing out the 3-5 social links they care about and walking away from the game afterwards. Assuming they even finish the game as the rate of people completing the game, which going off of PSN statistics is less than half the people who played the game. And even then the number of people who maxed out all social links falls somewhere in the 7%-15% range. So combine that with anecdotal evidence and it shows people just aren't trying to play this game under the terms you think they are. And I don't blame them, P5 is ass and the only reason I beat it was because I swore to clear out my back catalog, not add to it.
d25070 No.15748310
>>15725847
You post like a fag and your shit's retarded.
>serious analysis
>Urgh…
Seriously kys
b51719 No.15750912
>>15725383
I liked it. I played through the games in release order. Played the Nip versions, so I actually got to enjoy the music of the first game without the horrible translation/censorship of the English PSX release. Innocent Sin had my favorite story in the series, but the gameplay was mostly just spamming unison attacks for me. I went back and played Persona 1 again and yeah, it's kinda clunky, but overall, it's fine, I think. The Persona 2s were more annoying than last time though. Shit dungeons and ridiculous encounter rates really took a lot of fun out of them.
>>15725551
Do people even like it? I played it several months ago and it was pretty standard early SMT. World of Sloth was fucking awful.
a2cfab No.15756216
>>15750912
Best sound track for me
6d6ecb No.15762350
>>15748187
>120+ hours
Oof.
This series interests me, and I've downloaded ROMs for the first three games as well as the fan translation for Tsumi.
Is there any advice without spoilers that a newcomer should hear before playing this?
88115d No.15762388
>>15745633
Maybe they're in the driver and front passanger seat and just multitasking. It'd have to be pretty spacious to fit an entire fucking piano there, though.
Or maybe the trunk of the limo leads to an entire other room where they're playing the music.
3673fd No.15762576
>>15762388 (Heil'd)
Hitler dubs make it so.
8d3679 No.15762587
>>15745486
Seriously, real shit here. Who the fuck thought giving Igor his fucking God of the jews nose was a good idea? It's so fucking weird. there is an image of him fucking one of the characters from 4 with it too
88115d No.15762606
>>15762587
Philemon did. He coulda totally made Igor look like some benevolent angel dude but instead he made him look like a creepy kike weirdo but he's actually good cause he wanted him to be a metaphor for the human spirit
e255b7 No.15762662
Played both Digital Devil Saga 1&2, now moving onto either Soul Hackers 3DS or Persona 3 FES.
I really liked DDS1, in some regards more than Nocturne. Music doesn't hold a candle, style isn't as iconic but damn if some locations (karma temple, embryon base) weren't drop dead masterworks. And everything is so bleak, this one should be the paragon of an adult themed SMT instead of shitty Sleep Journey. At first I believed that ending the story with a cliffhanger would hurt the game, but later I realized that ending it on a high note was far better than degenerating into jrpg bullshit like SMT always does (and the continuation in DDS2 punctually did).
The only absolute negative was the lack of demon recruiting.
3673fd No.15762675
>>15762587
He's based off pics related (Dwight Frye: An Englishman, Bela Lugosi: A Hungarian, and J. Carrol Naish: An Irishman) all various iterations of the "Igor" character from various Frankenstein iterations, jews aren't the only people with big noses, if you notice Igor's nose doesn't actually hook like a jews does. He was also originally a doll, so most of his features are caricatures.
>>15762350
https://archive.is/C7YTH
https://pastebin.com/J6ER3Eve
e255b7 No.15762720
>>15762587
Don't let them live in your head, anon. It's just a typical sign of ugliness found in many monsters.
6d6ecb No.15762738
>>15762675
Thanks, anon. This is better than that for which I had hoped.
0b7dfd No.15762740
>>15762662
>degenerating into jrpg bullshit like SMT always does (and the continuation in DDS2 punctually did)
Explain
e255b7 No.15762765
>>15762740
Using demons to kill more is credible. Getting demonic power to do it yourself is still acceptable. A bunch of dudes smacking down God to change the order of the universe is jretarded.
e23af5 No.15762790
>>15762765
>killing demons, angels, and various gods is acceptable
>killing the final boss, which is also a god, is retarded
e255b7 No.15762850
>>15762790
Let's just say I've seen better strawmen. Apply yourself nigger, and the next time you're cornered, speak the truth that it will only help ya.
61e966 No.15762921
>>15762850
There is nothing wrong with killing the explicitly jewish version of god.
3673fd No.15762995
>>15762921
This, Persona 2 was incredibly redpilled on the jew. You may face Nyarlathotep as Hitler, because of a rumor, but the rest of the game is quite literally fighting obvious portrayals of jewish subversion. Before someone attempts to bring the use of the hexagram into the discussion, you should know the origins of the hexagram aren't jewish.
fdc4d8 No.15763388
>>15762765
>A bunch of dudes smacking down God to change the order of the universe is jretarded.
(((YHVH Defense Force))) pls go
5fb696 No.15765440
Scans from Famitsu's PQ2 launch article.
759728 No.15766339
>>15745486
Is she the one who sings the Velvet Room theme?