890939 No.15717303
Nope I'm not playing Artifact because it has that STUPID ENERGY MECHANIC THAT HEARTHSTONE AND EVERY OTHER CCG HAS.
When will they learn?
c7fcea No.15717356
I'm going to become rich with selling cards for artifact.
1a3ed4 No.15717407
As a card game fan, I actually think the game itself looks pretty cool. However, Gaben has gone full kike this time.
>Pay to get the game
Oh ok that makes sense
>Pay the 15% valve tax to trade any card on the marketplace so Gaben gets his cut
Well that is pretty scummy but if that's all its not so bad
>Pay an entry fee to play draft
Wait that's…
>Pay an entry fee to play ranked ladder
Hang on I…
>MMR in draft so you are forced 50% so even if you are good you will lose eventually and have to buy back in like a good goy
Wait stop I…
>No free to play currency to get around any of this
You guys have wallets don't you?
The game in incredibly scummy and I don't see how it will do well at all. The game is about as complex as magic but the economics are a total scam. There is no way normalfags will be on board with this at all. Gaben appears to be getting shit on by absolutely everyone as well for this.
1a3ed4 No.15717426
>>15717407
Oh I should mention there is 0 ways to acquire a card without paying real money. So yeah get fucked.
8ef81e No.15717446
>>15717426
There went any interest I had in this game.
28eada No.15717454
9ada0c No.15717458
>>15717303
>A clone of a free game being sold for £16
This shit's going to flop, especially given Valves track record of forcing loot boxes into every game they make and eventually abandoning them to rot.
994d5c No.15717478
>>15717303
>being too retarded to understand mana curve
b4a111 No.15717479
>>15717426
>Oh I should mention there is 0 ways to acquire a card without paying real money.
How can a company be this retarded? Magic, Yugioh, Pokémon, Hearthstone, all their digital platforms (besides Magic Online which is dead) have some way to play for free.
1a3ed4 No.15717487
>>15717479
But if you could play for free then chinese bots could grind out cards and ruin your marketplace and threaten Gaben's cut. Now hurry up and buy some more lootb.. I mean card packs.
890939 No.15717488
>>15717454
Instead of making a complicated energy/mana/whatever system, or abandoning it at all, they're using the same system that Hearthstone and every other CCG uses which makes the game more RNG focused than Skill focused.
28eada No.15717494
>>15717488
I still don't know what that is.
afd361 No.15717495
>>15717407
Card games are the ultimate brainless nigger cattle paypig hobby, so that just looks like they've properly tailored the game to that audience.
890939 No.15717499
>>15717494
Let me explain this for your little nigger brain.
The Game limits how many cards / what cards you can play a turn because real TCGs are "Too complicated" for the brainlets and nigger trash like yourself. In every TCG I've played the best decks were always how fast you could mill your own deck to get specific cards, but all CCGs abandon this mechanic to promote this energy crystal shit.
6b444f No.15717505
>>15717494
>>15717499
You start with 1 energy. Next turn you get 2 energy, then 3, etc. up to a limit.
You spend energy to play cards or summon creatures.
Other TCGs usually implement other methods (energy is it's own card, there is no energy and more powerful cards require sacrificing other things, etc).
Of course, all TCGs and CCGs are RNG of what comes out of your deck, and usually result in a game where you have 100+ cards and only 2 or 3 different decks (and minor variations within) are viable for competitive play. It's rock-paper-scissors, but you spend a lot of time and money getting your rocks, papers, and scissors, and could still lose because you have no paper in your hand when your foe got his rock out turn 1.
28eada No.15717512
>>15717499
You seem upset someone's not well versed in your terrible genera of choice.
890939 No.15717519
>>15717505
Yes but in these games the RNG is mitigated by having as many card as possible that are designed to search your deck for what you want, when you want it, which these games seem to completely abandon in the hopes that you don't realize it.
>>15717512
*shrug*. I'm bored.
890939 No.15717547
41352e No.15717622
you don't heff 2 b mad friendo
1a3ed4 No.15717797
81001c No.15718024
>>15717488
How's the energy system RNG focused? It's basically the land system from magic minus the random chance of not getting the right land cards in a game. Sage because fuck Artifact.
f628de No.15718048
>>15718024
It's just shifting RNG to RNG, now instead of the energy being RNG (which means things can be more aggressively costed and additonally you can have archetypes around casting expensive shit early) your RNG is dictated by what cards you draw directly, meaning that compensating for RNG through using a strategy that gives you a fuckton of lands early so no matter what you draw you can cast it you have fuck all
f628de No.15718056
>>15718048
>meaning that compensating
*meaning that it's impossible to compensate
856abe No.15727382
>>15717303
They're selling it for 20 dollarykangaroos. What's that, like, 15 or 16 Ameribux?
28eada No.15727397
>>15727382
$14.44 on the dot.
a133ca No.15727411
This shit'll be deader than Gwent and Arena.
e326ec No.15727427
>>15717426
>>15717446
Completely killed any chance I would ever get the game too.
It's disappointing to see Valve make this decision. I guess the allure of lootbox cancer is just too great.
On the bright side I don't really lose anything from deciding to not buy this game, since it will be illegal in my country anyway. :^)
>>15717488
>Instead of making a complicated energy/mana/whatever system, or abandoning it at all, they're using the same system that Hearthstone and every other CCG uses which makes the game more RNG focused than Skill focused.
>Making resource gain reliable makes the game more random
are you retarded
You're playing a card game, everything is random by definition. The randomness is part of it.
I would say the exact opposite, it makes the game less random. And I'd even consider it a bad thing, as then you don't have to balance resource gain versus other things in deck construction. Having decks with more mana built for stalling and decks with less mana built for rushing is part of the deck building experience.
28eada No.15727436
>>15727411
How about compared to Scrolls™?
29c161 No.15727440
>>15717407
I wonder if this was intentional or if they're just so out of touch they thought this was how other games like this operated. Usually CCGs at least attempt to put on a charade that they're not targeting whales, even though 90% of them do.
With no f2p playerbase being drip fed trash, who are the whales going to shit on to justify their purchases? Doesn't really make a lot of sense.
a133ca No.15727446
>>15717488
Magic would be better having two separate decks, one for lands and the other for nonlands, you could still only draw from one of them each turn.
d6f008 No.15727450
>>15717426
dead on the fucking water
009624 No.15727457
>>15717426
This can't be true. There's no way in hell they would do this.
ab4957 No.15727464
>>15717407
>Pay for the game
>Pay to unlock the rest of it
a133ca No.15727468
>>15727457
>>15727450
But anons, it's just like those real life TCGs(tm)
0d4957 No.15727475
>>15727468
Except it's not.
28eada No.15727476
>>15727468
Right down to the dead playerbase.
e326ec No.15727503
>>15727457
Read it for yourself!
https://steamcommunity.com/games/583950/announcements/detail/1721959164054855755
>Q. What's in a card pack?
>You receive 10 packs of cards with your initial purchase of the game. Each pack contains twelve random cards from the Call to Arms set, including one hero, two items, and at least one card of the highest rarity. Additional packs can be purchased for $1.99.
Card packs are 2 bucks each.
>Q. What other ways can I get cards besides buying packs?
>Players can buy and sell individual cards via the Community Market. Groups of cards can be bought and sold on the Marketplace in a single transaction using the in-game Collection interface. See this link for more information on the Market.
You can buy packs on the market. (Another question mentions trading is impossible. Market with fees is the only way to go.)
>You can also earn packs by winning games in Expert Gauntlets.
Oh hey you can win packs! So what is an Expert Gauntlet anyway?!
>Q. What types of Gauntlets are available?
>At launch the following Gauntlets will be available:
>Casual Gauntlets (No Entry Fee)
>>Call to Arms Preconstructed - A special launch mode inspired by the event we ran at PAX. You will pick one of six powerful decks to play in a handcrafted metagame. In this mode you try to build the longest win streak you can before losing. You don't need to own any cards to play the decks in this mode.
>>Casual Constructed - A great step up from bot matches, test your favorite deck against increasingly powerful opponents.
>Expert Gauntlets (Prizes + Entry Fee)
>>Expert Constructed - When you've mastered casual constructed you can play for prizes.
>>Phantom Draft - Build a deck by selecting cards from a series of packs. In Phantom Draft you do not keep the cards you pick.
>>Keeper Draft - A Draft Gauntlet where you keep the cards you pick.
It costs money to play more than half the gamemodes in the game! Wow! You can't even play draft without paying.
Also all of this shit runs through matchmaking which inevitably pushes your winrate to 50%, so you can forget reliably earning prizes to pay for entry fees too.
890939 No.15727506
Also compared to a game like Pokemon TCGO the packs (This is third party sales mind you) are expensive, 2-10x the price for a pack.
a133ca No.15727508
>>15727506
And compared to every other Card game with free currency packs are infinitely more expensive.
75dda6 No.15727525
>>15717488
The TES Card Game actually plays a lot with your energy/mana shit and there are decks that let you stack this shit faster or get buffs from it stacking.
856abe No.15727544
>>15727427
I think what the anon is trying to say in a stupid way is that giving everyone a consistent flow of resource means there is no proper deck building around your resources, no manipulating it, growing it, hindering your opponents or otherwise meaningfully interacting with it.
As a result the game becomes more about drawing cards on curve, since you know you will always have the resource to play it. It's no good drawing a 1-cost card at turn 7 when you could draw a 7-cost card.
What makes Magic the Gathering work so well is being flexible around this, where a 1-cost card can still mitigate a big hit or even trade out with something more valuable. Having the ability to manipulate your resources also gives you the opportunity to play decks based around lots of cheap things or stalling for game ending cards.
2b7fe4 No.15727601
>>15727503
yea this is jewey as fuck if i wanted to get jewed for a card game i would go back to playing yugioh, kinda wish more card games did it like shadowverse, it was really nice for free to play players you could easily make 2 tier 1 decks for free and would get free packs all the time.
00ad26 No.15727654
>turd worlders mad as fuck
stay poor, peasants. most of all stay the fuck out of my games
a133ca No.15727658
>He says in a thread about a Dota spinoff
dcb170 No.15727685
>>15717303
You sound retarded. What's wrong MARO? Angry that your pet mechanic caused the most bannings in a rotating standard format?
>>15717407
Oh goddammit. Why is it every time Richard Garfield makes a game somebody has to jew up his product?
I guess I'll just play more Eternal.
4435ed No.15727733
>>15717407
>All this shit
All living things need to die.
d6f008 No.15727750
>>15727503
>Casual Gauntlets (No Entry Fee)
dont tell me, you cant win cards/packs in that mode?
890939 No.15727755
>>15727750
Of course not. Only shitskins don't have money to buy cards.
cc3be8 No.15727828
>>15717407
Well that's not good news, here I thought there was a small chance Valve might be going back in the right direction, despite this obvious cash grab. Guess they like being cancerous.
3c9105 No.15727980
>>15727710
Best possible option,
I guess one of his daily forty cakes fell on his keyboard when he decided he needed to take nudes of himself again.
Worst and most likely what happened option,
Don't have the thread quality too high or on topic so it's comfortable for retards.
>>15727753
>>15727824
>>15727912
These are either b8 or a hotpocket of some kind.
69c762 No.15727981
And there goes the thread as I predicted, derailed by a bunch of retards angry for being banned before by the mods and have a score to settle. Its honestly sad that these retards are allowed to even post let alone browse the board. At least theres still some sensable people around. I'll just ignore these retards and let the mods do the scrubbing of the vomit filth on this board.
f3ff08 No.15727990
Why are you niggers replying to obvious bait?
0dcc9b No.15728006
79a601 No.15728049
>>15717426
This is easily Valve worst decision yet, the CCG Market is done with and has no room for a new contender, not being able to have packs be earned in game, the lackluster card system that apes hearthstone shitty mechanics, and unoriginal IP idea really nails the whole sleezy cash grab thing Valve is going for.
fd625e No.15728754
All you need really. Call me adhd but I hate being unable to run.
8db083 No.15728772
>>15728754
I got one of those, a couple of springs, and the green hazmat suit and just sprinted through all the anomalies like they weren't shit.
181c7b No.15728873
>>15717407
>>15717426
I would be lying if i said i wasn't intresting in this game.
But now, these two posts have left almost all intrest voided.
3e76ee No.15729459
This isn't a game though, not really. When people discuss it on plebbit and other such places they go on endlessly about the "economy". That means the "developers" charging money for things and the "players" putting in that money somehow proving the digital items are worth something. It's the same as Star Shitizen, most people are like this >>15717356 but unironically. It's all about greed on every side, and the e-sports element will only worsen that.
199aeb No.15729470
>>15727685
>Eternal.
Nice 30% mana screw/flood chance you have here player.
abb04b No.15729529
>>15728873
>I would be lying if i said i wasn't interested in this game.
I'm just here to see how bad this shit show can get.
Granted, having three lanes is at least different from other current TCGs. But, no one sane is going to actually get into a game with such a greedy business model.
80cd51 No.15729574
>>15729459
I just realized how right you are.
On most Online TCG's, you pay for the client, you know, a program that connects you to a bunch of other clients and you can play together.
Here, you're paying for the client and then the JPG's.
This indeed like SC with the only difference being that you don't need to take out a loan to buy a pack.
Eagerly waiting the story of someone dumping his kid's university savings into Artifact cards.
>>15728754
>>15728772
Did you guys know that, despite the game requiring you to hand over a "Unique" artifact called Compass to complete a quest, you can actually find a second one? Pretty neat, and my favourite thing about CoP.
My favourite Artifact is still the Shell.
It just looks so… comfy. I'm not sure how to describe it, but I feel like I could use it as a pillow and sleep the best night ever.
75dda6 No.15729592
>>15729574
There should have been more story based/unique artifact instead of just glowing hell rocks. A boat wheel turning into an artifact was pretty neat, imagine if random household items became artifacts or some abandoned rifle became an artifact or other do-thats.
80cd51 No.15729604
>>15729592
>wearing artifacts
>shooting with artifacts
>shooting artifacts
>Technically, Strelok is a sort of human-artifact
071252 No.15729609
>trading card games are greedy
>deck building games have forced diversity and most of them aren't digital
Fuck.
75dda6 No.15729613
>>15729604
>Strelok is a sort of human-artifact
Explain.
2219cb No.15729616
>>15717519
I don't see how those two things are related. I hated being mana screwed, and I didn't want to mana weave before I every game, so I stopped playing Magic. In Hearthstone I get mana every turn, and if I want to play a combo deck where half the cards cycle, I can. Hell, Shudderwock shaman was top tier a few months ago, and it was precisely a deck that you needed to draw all of to win.
f58556 No.15729617
WHY CAN'T I HAVE A FUCKING CARD GAME WITH A CAMPAIGN TO UNLOCK CARDS THAT YOU CAN USE ONLINE??
GOD FUCKING DAMN IT JUST TAKE DUELISTS OF THE ROSES AND MAKE IT ONLINE, I DON'T FUCKING CARE IF YOU LITERALLY COPY THE ENTIRE GAME AND JUST SLAP ON MULTIPLAYER
WHY DOES EVERY TCG HAVE TO BE AN IMMENSE FORM OF JEWRY??
==
80cd51 No.15729636
>>15729613
Is there any other character in the zone that wanders around Pripyat, enters a building with 30 Monolith Soldiers and comes out alive?
Maybe he's not an artifact.
But he's definetely an Anomaly, one that causes large amounts of Bullet Damage in a 2 miles radius.
75dda6 No.15729683
>>15729636
Then the only anomaly is his giant dick.
12bf49 No.15729684
>>15729617
Gwent has that :^)
80cd51 No.15729696
>>15729617
Food for thought: TCG's were the first form of DLC.
badc3b No.15730427
To make things worse it is not like the card packs are cheap in Artifact. If you want a cheap TCG play Pokemon TCG online. That game is also possible to play for free. Or play Eternal.
badc3b No.15730434
I really dont get why Valve wont use the LCG model. But i guess they are going for the quick cash grab rather than a long term game. I wonder how many that will fall for it.
89d9d3 No.15730476
>>15717407
>>15717426
Well done, you fat fuck, you're never going to make a good game again.
8e8eab No.15730490
>>15729617
>immortals get emergency banlisted
ba9918 No.15730503
>>15730434
Sounds even more expensive, and it takes away all the fun of building your collection.
I personally think they should design a TCG entirely around free/earned cards instead of purchases. They could probably make major money off of cosmetics alone, in this case, you pay to upgrade your cards to foils.
59dc4b No.15730549
>>15729696
Tabletop games predate them on that front. Though booster packs are original loot boxes.
199aeb No.15730591
>>15730503
>Sounds even more expensive
Except it hasn't been more expensive every time it has been tried.
>it takes away all the fun of building your collection.
>In Alternate Reality, year 2016, herald of the game revolution
>Games are given mostly by buying parts of the game, each worth around 4$ dollaridos, instead of buying the whole game. Lets call this system the game piece system.
>People are joyous when they get the piece they want form the wheel, such as when they finally roll the tutorial game piece needed to start the game
>Someone goes and makes a game without this system, the first game piece-less game, released by summer of this 2016
>It goes viral
>Videogame veterans lament the loss those moments when they got the piece they wanted, no longer getting those wondrous rolls and having to actually play the games.
>However, videogame casuals keep buying "expensive" 20$ whole games, ultimately dooming the game piece system
>No longer do we get dopamine rushes form getting that piece we needed
d6f008 No.15730607
>>15729636
that just means he is the MC
ff1196 No.15730761
I will pass, I have better things to do with my money and time.
dcb170 No.15730809
>>15729470
>Nice 30% mana screw/flood chance you have here player.
Do you have any numbers to back that up? I've been playing some Scream decks and I don't typically see flood, and I've only been screwed a couple of times(which I expect from running three colors.)
I will now shill Eternal because it's been fun
Point aside I think Eternal is the best online card game right now. You've got a lot of unique archetypes, there's interaction on your opponents turn, it's very doable to do free to play, and it has straight up draft where you get to keep the cards you pick. Also you can Steal an opponents Creature, attack with it, then shove it on top of your own deck thus taking ownership of it..
Here's a deck that just fucks around with the "Market" mechanic:
https://eternalwarcry.com/decks/details/xPzQgm06Hv0/markets-are-busted-masters-on-7-12-18?view=full
Here's a combo deck that takes advantage of the fact you "Draw" cards from said market to combo off:
https://eternalwarcry.com/decks/details/Bsfmk4rGzK4/infinite-talir-means-to-an-end?view=list
Here's a straight up mill deck:
https://eternalwarcry.com/decks/details/NpM2h7ephhw/millhouse-3?view=full
Here's a deck that fucks around with a janky-ass card:
https://eternalwarcry.com/decks/details/Z-vYgAHvy3M/feln-crowdren?view=list
Here's another deck fucking around with a jankier card:
https://eternalwarcry.com/decks/details/FnsNQknxNJ0/calcium-control
fa303a No.15731086
Holy shit, they made a game worse than Arena? I didn't think it was possible.
930ddf No.15731120
so
>you pay for the game
>then you pay to unlock the other game features
>you pay for the card jpgs and pretend they are real life cards
>you can only sell them on steam's curated market and you give them a portion of the revenue
The goyim are an extinct species.
e065b9 No.15731185
They've actually managed to make a more jewy version of HEX. As expected of Grand Rabbi Newell.
ba9918 No.15731192
>>15730591
In video game terms it's more like having an RPG where you have to earn all your character upgrades, vs dropping into the game with a max level character and every item automatically unlocked. BUYING said upgrades for real money sucks, but earning them is better than getting them to begin with.
38ad90 No.15731194
>>15730809
Hey buddy, I agree, Eternal is fun. Haven't been playing this month, but I did go on a 13 game winstreak with an "8-Madness" deck last month.
dcb170 No.15731788
>>15731194
Oh yea it's fun.
I just wanted to take the opportunity to shill it because it's the most refreshing breath of fresh air I've had since playing Ascension.
>"8-Madness"
For the love of Christ please give me that list.
f3ff08 No.15732896
>>15729617
>WHY DOES EVERY TCG HAVE TO BE AN IMMENSE FORM OF JEWRY??
This is Valve making it, what did you expect? They always intended to have players trade in their marketplace.
64456f No.15737635
>>15717407
what the fuck are they thinking?
45a06e No.15737756
>>15717303
>>15717488
>STUPID ENERGY MECHANIC THAT HEARTHSTONE AND EVERY OTHER CCG HAS
Gwent doesn't have it, it's also a lot less jewish with its money making.
>>15729617
Thronebreaker for Gwent has some of that as well.