/v/ - Video Games

That's sad. I never like when games get cancelled. His more recent projects have been pretty disappointing however, but maybe he'll work better in a new environment since his work at SE has been lackluster as of late.

Wait I thought the new FF sold, whats been sinking their money?

>>15701585

It's one of those "didn't make enough gazillions" deals I'd imagine. Also, they published tons of duds recently like a new Tomb Raider that literally nobody remembers. It isn't even 2 months old.

>>15701585

If you dump too much money into a project, even millions sold won't make it back and profit. I know one company, either Square-Enix or Capcom, had some statement a few years ago that one of their games had been a flop at (I think) six million copies sold.

>>15701594

OH FUCK I forget they were doing shit like hitman and what not now.

Well guess we will see what happens. Either they try to shit out FF7 remake to get them nostalgia bucks or they try some other tactic, or just remasters or something.

>>15701610

That was Square with Tomb Raider 2013. It apparently took the game 10 fucking months just to turn a profit, likely because they announced preorders for the PS4/Bone versions later that year.

http://archive.is/ZWzUn

>>15701615

>or just remasters or something.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Square_Enix_video_games

No joke most of what they put out now is ports of old games. They tried to remaster Secret of Mana but it was a complete fucking disaster. Near Bethesda tier unstable and just looked like ass in general.

It's late as fuck but apparently Gamestop is saying this is a "developing story" so feel free to keep an eye on this shit while I go to fucking bed already.

>>15701632

>Remaster

I believe nuSecret of Mana was an outright remake, considering the shift to 3D, not a remaster. And I still find it fucking stupid they couldn't bother to get Kikuta back for more than two or so songs on the OST, if memory serves.

>>15701594

No, FF15 isn't like something like Tomb Raider. It's unique in how it turned out. Don't forget it began production in like 2006, didn't come out until 2015, was getting constant post-release support, even up to launch major changes were being made to the combat system. The development wasn't managed well and SE has some serious issues with their internal management. If you look at all their internal projects from the outside it's a mix of people being spread too thin, split between too many projects, and seemingly going on without direction for extended periods of time. The exception seem to be FF14ARR which after the FF14 flop they humbly said they fucked up, let's do it right and quick and before long they put out what seems to be the best MMO on the market right now.

FF15 is something else. It took nearly 10 years, had ridiculous crunch up to launch adding in major features, had tons of post release support and marketing all in an attempt to salvage what was basically a cobbled together mess and try to get something out of it. I can only imagine how heated the meetings were on how to possibly save that utter disaster.

FF15 having its support cut is at this point the only reasonable thing to do. You can't really FF14ARR a single player game. They were in a corner and clearly had to produce something. It's a shame too, SE has some talented staff with a lot of experience. but the management seems like their biggest problem. Every project they have an external team do produces gold for SE. Platinum/Yoko Taro's production on Nier Automata had a brilliant turn around time and was dense in content and very well put together. That's the kind of thing SE should try to be targeting, but the management issues seem absurd.

>>15701638

>Gamestop

How the hell is Fucking Gamestop a source covering this? Did you mean Gamespot or something?

The only thing somewhat good in 15 was fishing, yet Id argue twilight princess did it better. Even the music was boring, which I have found its generally hard to mess up video game music so badly that its not memorable.

Tabata seemed like a generally good dev stuck on a shit company.

Hopefully he finds a better one, Square is worse than Capcom at this point.

>>15701569

>Hajime Tabata

I'm feeling mixed, the guy did good games and fucking turds. And why the fuck did he get shat out of the company when he was the guy they made to takeover the project from Nomura that faggot who overhyped the game with proof of concept CGI cinematics.

>$33 million loss

I guess all the cup noodles, audi, clothes lines, spirit within tier 3D movie, marketing stunts couldn't recover the loss of a 10 year development cycle. A year ago I was mad about this game but now I'm apathetic to it. My fuel will be reignited when FFVII remake part 1 starts pulling that shit.

>>15701569

GOOD!

Square will never recover and never be good again, but it is always nice to see one of the hacks be washed away like the turd that he is.

FF 15 may, truly, be the last mainline Final Fantasy, closing the series with a piece of shit commercial for corporations that was able to only lose money.

>>15701585

Stop believing in the lies of the sales department of companies. All shitty games are losing money, no matter how many lies the salesmen create to try to hide the fact that they are losing money.

Square only reported shipments, as always. Not real sales.

>>15701594

They also paid for the production of a real life car, just to promote the game. That is how delusional and wasteful they are.

>>15701643

>>15701685

Their internal teams are all shit. The good developers left long ago. You can watch any presentation for their games up until recently, especially FF 13, and see that the nudevelopers are just a bunch of hacks and pretentious nuartists, with no skills and no talent.

It is never the fault of the company alone. Those working on their products are all pieces of shit.

>>15701719

All that sponsorship is one of the reasons that it flopped. Nobody likes advertisement to be pushed in the face, and even worse, real life products being advertised in a a fantasy setting that is not set in the real world.

Also, all those sponsors give money, but take away even more when they demand commercials and production of merchandising tied to their brands. It is all a big waste of money for the sponsored company.

>>15701723

stfu retard hue nigger

>spend millions on muh grafix and marketing to get normalfags to buy

>only sell 6 gorillion copies

>6 bagillion loss

>game has decent graphics and has a few advertisements a week before release

>game is ignored by norm-ies

Whew lads.

>>15701695

Wait are cup noodles actually good? I always assumed it was just shitty food for college students and poor people.

>>15701760

Nissin is shit tier

I'm not even sure if FFXVI is possible anymore as a single player game with how much money has been burned on Final Fantasy. We'll get spun offs and smaller projects, but I expect VII remake to be the last mainline big budget Final Fantasy game before bankruptcy, or when Square Enix leaves video games forever and get bought out by Sony.

>>15701760

It is for poor people, which is why people here love it. :^)

>>15701745

>Tetsuya Nomura started this shit since 2005

>Overhyped with a proof of concept cinematic trailer and overextend their teams working on FF12, FF13, and FF13-Versus, and Final Fantasy Agito 13/Type-0

>Nomura proceeds to jump ship from 13-Versus and gave the job to Hajime Tabata who proceeds to rework everything while making his team play "Open-World" games like Skyrim, Fallout, Red Dead Redemption and GTA

>Basically shit 80% of the game's original scenario and cobble up an unholy Open-World Camping Simulator with terribly-written characters along with a multimedia blitz with a shit move, shit anime, and shit spinoff games

>Day 1 patch and two years of DLC/Asset recycling like when they killed a Chrono and Valkyrie Profile sequel to shit out FF13-2 and Lightning Returns

>They've been forgetting how to make a game and more on making cinematic press-to-win shit

There's no justice in the world.

>>15701569

>FF boy band can’t pull a profit

>Cancels and blame Deus ex dlc

>>15701809

PSO was a good Phantasy Star game, PSU and onwards are where things started to go to shit. PSZ, the PSP titles, and PSO2 early in it's lifetime were still pretty fun though.

>>15701822

"The canceled Final Fantasy DLC episodes include Aranea, Lunafreye, and Noctis. The fourth one, Ardyn, remains in development, and is scheduled to launch in March 2019."

"Also during the announcement event, Square Enix announced that Final Fantasy XV's Comrades multiplayer will now be released as a standalone game, meaning you don't need the base game to play it. There will be a further 10 new bosses, as well as more costumes and weapons in the standalone game.

Chickamauga, Georgia: Unknown Company is Disrupting a $200 Billion Dollar Industry

Paid Content by EverQuote

FFXV: Multiplayer Comrades, as it's called, will launch on December 13. Those who already bought the Comrades expansion will get the new, standalone edition for free."

>>15701737

No. I do what i want. You are completely impotent to stop me from posting.

Stay mad.

>>15701585

FF15 broke even after a year or two. It didn't recoup anywhere near the amount of money they sunk into marketing, cross promotion, and all the multimedia bullshit like movies, books, crossovers, etc. It was a lackluster game tied to a giant cash sink.

>>15701569

>whether out of shame in the face of a $33 million loss or just seeing a sinking ship who knows

Anon, don't be naive. They forced him to resign. It's a way of firing people without it looking bad on the company.

>Hajime Tabata is leaving

fuck. Guess that means Type 1 never ever, damn shame since Type 0 was the only decent modern final fantasy

>>15701764

Maybe SE will open health centers, gyms, and pachinko parlors like Konami.

>>15701745

>normalfags

Redditor spotted.

>>15701760

It was food made for the poor to keep them fed but unhealthy.

>>15701764

It will be exactly that. Square wasted all their good opportunities to remake 7 when it was something desirable.

And they wasted a lot of money and lost their only good developers with all the shit made by Nomura. Any team under him produced only shit.

>>15701786

>They've been forgetting how to make a game and more on making cinematic press-to-win shit

This is the result of their ego trip fueled by journos/child rapists that always praised the CGI scenes of their games, and never commented on the games' mechanics.

This goes back to, at least, FF 8. But good games also fell for the "CGI cinematics" meme, such as Parasite Eve, even before FF 8. Journos/child rapists always praised the cinematics only, ignoring even the basic gameplay of PE.

>>15701809

That is what it is good about the series. No matter what Sega tries to do to ruin it, the original 4 games presented a complete story with a nice closure to the plot.

>>15701835

>FFXV: Multiplayer Comrades

It is never a coincidence when a company uses that term.

>>15701838

(((Marketing))) was always a scam.

>>15701852

>Loses $33 million

>Let's spend even more money on expensive AAA garbage

>Same AAA garbage that was responsible for their core audience to hate them

>>15701942

>>normalfags

>Redditor spotted.

wut

Did you get caught by the wordfilter?

>>15702024

I was correcting the term for him, while also denouncing him for using reddit speech.

This is what happens when your vidya budgets are the most bloated in the industry.

QUICK, POST YOUR PREDICTIONS FOR SQUARE ENIXES PANT SHITTING REACTION TO ALL THIS

>Tomb raider being the last of their western AAA ips to underperform has them sell it, give up on western ips and double down on 'core brands'

>Poor sales 'due to releasing next to spiderman and red dead 2' sees Dragon Quest never touch the west again for a long time

>Either 7 remake gets way more time and attention or cancelled to recoup losses

>With kingdom hearts finally coming out and nothing big on the horizon after it they pump a fuck ton into reshilling FFXIV again because 'it saved the brand once already' at the risk of putting too much pressure on yoshis team

>Appeasing shareholders with a promise to 'return to form', looks at industry competition like Capcom and follows suit, doubling down on smaller, lower budget but more regular releases inbetween larger sequels to long abandoned brands.

>Either the rumours of Yoko Taro being put behind FFXVI are true or Nier becomes their new big baby and gets shilled to fuck, taro becomes disallusioned and leaves it behind and other devs turn it into a shitty action series.

what do you expect?

>>15701881

>Not Tomb Baker

You mean Not Jeremy Irons pls

Keep in mind the loss is for this quarter, so FF15 specifically had little to do with it.

http:www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/pdf/ar_2017en.pdf

^ Have to post the 2017 one since the do them in March.

If I had to guess, a lot of this is due to publishing a lot of crap this year, just look at this list jesus christ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Square_Enix_video_games , and apparently FF14 taking a nosedive in subscribers due to some really bad update. No clue about the specifics so if any MMO junkie would like to fill people in here be my guest.

>>15702403

Womb Raider failed goddamn hard.

>>15702407

Don't forget pseudo indie trash like Life is Strange 2 and The Quiet Man. It's like they intentionally publish the absolute bottom of the barrel for the west just to make their internal crap look good.

>>15702426

Their Western Arm is filled with a bunch of retards, doesn't help when they themselves can't understand the trends outside Japan.

>Its dead

Thank fuck, They already took devs and resources from XIV to help develop this crap even after release and now the latest expansion is pretty much filler. I for one am glad this game is dead.

I only hope that yoshi-p gets his devs back so they can start making stuff for FFXIV again.

>>15701695

>"Duh ultemet flavur egsperience"

I love how hard the voice actor is phoning it in. It sounds like the kind of voice you use when making fun of people. I bet he rolled his eyes.

>>15701915

>>15702147

Say, did they use the "we wish him success in his new endeavors" cliché? When they don't, that means they're really angry.

I recall a video about Star Trek Voyager, it mentioned that it happened when Geneviève Bujold quit and had to be replaced with Kate Mulgrew. The fact that the announcement didn't "wish her success" implied that the studio heads were furious, because she had been a waste of time in a critical moment.

>>15701786

Imagine spending 10 years on a project only for most of that work to be thrown out and the final product not being revolutionary or groundbreaking but just being above average.

>>15702437

I still remember when they put shit about "alternative facts" in the chapter 13 update

The game was ok at best, but it was very clearly unfinished and them pulling a "fuck you pay me" with content they had promised to patch in and the "royal edition upgrade" bullshit vaporized what little good will those patches were earning them

>>15701793

It's not the money, I'm too lazy to cook anything that requires cleaning a pot. Bowl and Cup ramens only for me. If you've got a good recommendation for a microwavable bowl or cup that can be found in supermarkets I'm all ears.

>>15701695

why are all of these voices fucking terrible

the gruff voice doesn't fit the big guy and the protagonist sounds like an autistic 14 year old

>>15701569

Here I was waiting for all that DLC to come out to make FF15 into something actually playable and perhaps even enjoyable and they go and cancel it. I've had enough of unfinished games, don't want to get involved into yet another one.

>>15702810

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Final_Fantasy_XV_downloadable_content

Just look at this list. All that shit and the game still apparently isn't complete.

maybe they should have just turned agni philsophy into FFXV

honestly this entire obsession with the expanded universe of FF13 destroyed square, FF13 was shit to begin with and the trainwreck that is the entire concept of XV is tied to it

>>15703602

Your pp is little no matter what.

ABOUT

FUCKING

TIME

>>15703602

They're cutting their loses, and no anon, Squeenix is still in relatively a good financial state, not in their early 1990s to 2000s profits, but trudging well as long as they can cut out their losses, but they need to fucking have their suits have their brains checked while having a better tard-wrangler for their Western Studios, who are going into redundancy at this rate for their constant fuck-ups.

Who cares? Wake me if they bring back Yoshitaka Amano and Hironobu Sakaguchi.

>>15702153

Slow but steady purge of all players from their non-subscription games, like they did with Belgian mobile players, and a slow but steady purge of all of SQEX America.

>>15701585

Its sold 6 million physical units and Maybe 2 million digital units sold.

They had it pegged to sell 15 million sales.

One of those bad projection things.

>>15704471

> fixing episode 13.

Got any details?

He made characters look older and worse than previous westernized art. Glad he fucked off. Put more animu, younger and sexier characters next time.

>>15702147

It would do great to spread as many truths whenever PR shits lie in official statements. Posts in any media with "translating from PR bullshit: (insert truth)".

That alone would ruin many of their useless jobs.

>>15702152

Don't forget the pretentious and overdramatic nuartists that can't code or program a thing, but want to push their shit non-art in the games.

>>15702153

They already stated that they will double down on AAA garbage.

Square is fucked, and it is hilarious to watch.

>>15702403

People realized that it was just a "dress the doll" nugame, disguised as a nostalgia trip by parasiting the recognizable characters and music of the classic games.

>>15702407

Good.

>>15702437

And they are all marxists too.

>>15702448

It will be shit. Management won't allow for a good product to be made. It takes time, effort and talent to do so.

>>15702545

Add to that the fact that the work that was thrown out was better than the final game.

>>15702707

All western voice actors are leftists. So they are all shit.

>>15703623

>We have a talking dog (woman) here.

How does it feel to be an inferior being, that will be easily used and discarded?

>>15703645

Nepotism can infect even Glorious Nippon.

But Tabata is a hack. There are no good guys in this whole mess.

>>15703738

This "they still have plenty of money" meme is dead. The amount of losses pile up by the minute, and they are all big losses by themselves already. No amount of reserve will save Square.

>>15704582

>They already stated that they will double down on AAA garbage.

>Square is fucked, and it is hilarious to watch.

And that's not taking into account

>AAA garbage sinking to new depths every time, with Shadow of the Tomb Raider and Life is Strange 2 being glaring examples

>Squeenix openly purging from their mobile shit any player whose laws consider gacha as gambling (Netherlands and Belgium, and apparently soon most of Europe - including France and Germany - and some US depts, which are all in cahoots in order to ruin lootboxes)

>Kingdom Hearts 3 being their only chance at getting back some money, even though this definitely won't get back enough to make it a financial gain due to all the losses thanks to Disney jewing them as much as possible

I think they'll keep themselves afloat for one or two years, but they'll go deeper and deeper every month.

>>15701569

Saw an ad for a FFXV tower defense mobile game the other day, SE has really fallen low and all they had to do was learn from MGSV's mistake and make a good game instead of a half-baked product.

>>15704440

>Pretty much. FF13 killed the franchise and it still baffles me how someone thought not only having that but FF13-2, Lighting Returns and Versus were a good idea to begin with

I remember a rumor from last generation that some game companies had to make sequels to their successful games not because the first game was profitable, but just so they could recycle assets from the first game and hope to cover the first games loss while the sequel would finally make profit.

>>15704440

DQ has its problems such as the retards at enix never giving us music that rises above NES quality, and that bullshit is getting old

>>15704732

Especially when it’s only okay at best. It was another of their bullshit attempts at “redefining the JRPG genre” and the only genuinely good thing about it was the art and maybe the music but I don’t recall any tracks that stood out.

>>15704731

well this is what happens when computers are in charge

>>15702403

14 hasn't had a particularly poor update in a while. People are complaining about 4.45 (which introduced a new area specific to the relic weapon questline) but that's the status quo for any x.x5 patch. They're always minor patches that people bitch and moan about because they're meant to be optional follow-up content. 4.4 itself (the last major patch) was quite well accepted with most people feeling it's one of the stronger content patches the game has received.

I think you're thinking of WoW, which last I heard had some clusterfuck changes.

>>15704732

And it still died within a month. The only reason that game did as well as it did was because they actually marketed it properly like they used to. Rather than all of these pointless real world product tie ins, computer generated fashion model bullshit and more banners and trailers than a superb owl show they just put out a few demos. Remember demos? Old Square games used to be filled with them.

>>15702153

Their upcoming Avengers game is what will determine the fate of Square Enix. They're going to need as much capeshit money as possible to stay alive.

>>15704708

The purge on lootboxes is a good thing. Lootboxes are scams.

As for everything, pretty much what you said. But for Kingdom Hearts 3, there is no hope for that. It will be shit, and it will flop. The game is being made with the current marxist Disney. Nothing good will come with their involvement.

>>15704723

It is the whole "we must grab the biggest numbers" retarded mentality all over again. The same that made many companies go bankrupt chasing the MMO fad. Japanese companies see most of the people using mobile phones, and every single one of the japanese companies think that their product will be the one that all people will utilize most of the time.

You have 100 mobile games targeting the same group of people, being made every month. All of that to fulfill the delusions of old and out of touch CEOs that think that "if someone uses a phone, they will use my product".

>>15704731

And it didn't made profit. When the initial product is shit, people will hate anything related to it.

>>15704732

And it is garbage. That says a lot about Square's current lack of quality.

>>15704789

If the most recent update angered people, people will stop playing the game.

>>15704861

They know full well that their major games are shit. That is why they don't release demos for any of them.

>>15704962

It will be shit. People are waking up to the lies and false promises of companies.

>>15705007

15 had a demo though. I don't know how indicative of the game it was but I'd be willing to bet it sold more people on it than any of the other ads did.

Haha

>>15701881

Am I doing this right?

>>15701569

>Within the first twenty-four hours, Square Enix reported that Final Fantasy XV had shipped five million units worldwide in both physical shipments and digital sales—a figure which allowed the game to "break even" on development costs. This gave Final Fantasy XV the biggest launch in the franchise to date, the most first day digital sales in Japan for a game up to that point, and set records for physical shipments and downloads in mainland Asia. Commenting on the large numbers, Tabata revealed that the strong sales saved the Final Fantasy franchise as a whole, which had seen declining commercial success in recent years. According to Square Enix, shipments had reached over six million worldwide by January 2017. In May of the same year, Square announced the game and Rise of the Tomb Raider helped to increase sales and profits for the 2016-2017 fiscal year. In a later interview, Enterbrain president Hirokazu Hamamura stated that the game had sold seven million copies worldwide by January 2018, ranking it as a "huge success". By September 2018, that total, which included the Windows version, had surpassed 8.1 million.

Looks like FF-boy band did well enough.

>>15704527

>Except at no point did Square state that they lost money with FFXV.

It's not enough for a game to make a profit. Considering how long the game was in development, and how much of a risk it was, the profits weren't enough to justify the project. They might not have lost money, but they lost time. A lot of fucking time. And talent. They could have made at least two traditional Final Fantasy games in the time and budget they wasted on XV. If XV couldn't exceed the sales of what both of those combined could be realistically estimated to be - then it's a failure. Which it was. XV only sold as much as would be expected from any single FF release - not twice the amount.

And that's not even counting the insanely high expectations that investors have these days when they see all the cash that companies like Take2/Activision are raking in with microtransactions.

>>15705019

Not really. Most people started to avoid the game exactly after the demo was released. At the time, one simple search would make people find videos about all the boring gameplay and other problems such as inconstant FPS, input delay, etc.

>>15705034

It didn't.

What a company says about their own products never matters. They will always lie and pretend that it was successful.

FF 15 was a flop, and now we are seeing the real news about it being a flop, and it's consequences.

>>15705054

And it did lose money. All those losses are never a coincidence. Square's PR will always scream "muh it sold well!" to lie to investors and consumers.

The truth is that FFXV flopped hard, made the company lose a lot of money, and they are trying every lie that they can think of to hide this complete failure.

>>15705182

Maybe finishing a game without resorting to selling installments as DLC really was their Final Fantasy™.

>>15704527

Then they would not have canceled DLC if they were profitable. Dont be dumb.

Good, Square Enix has been critically retarded for the past decade now, dumping massive amounts of cash into shitty FF installments, bloated western AAA titles that need to sell 7 million copies to break even, and moving/bleeding talent to inefficient parts of the company.

Wasn't there a report a long time ago that Square Enix at one point contacted some medium/fortune teller about their company?

>>15705182

They would not cancel something that was selling well.

The DLCs flopped.

Also, hype is a mental illness.

>>15705262

This started at least by 1998 for them. With the piece of shit FF8 and the piece of shit Pedowood movie.

>>15705898

Wouldn't surprise me. Most Japanese are surperstitious to the point of developing mental illnesses because of that.

>>15705898

That was Yoichi Wada, yeah. He was a complete nut.