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no one fucking cares mcfucking kill yourself on your way back to reddit

>>15691136

thx bb

>>15691132 (OP)

Asking peoples advice on what to buy for yourself is the height of fucking stupidity. Just get a machine that fits your needs.

>>15691187

I thought it was reasonable given that I haven't built a PC in years.

>hdd

LOL

Just use Reasonable Increments. Obviously you shouldn't buy the NEWEST GWAYFIX CAHD just because it's new, but that's common sense.

>>15691188

No it is not and I speak from experience. This might sound mean but its the best advice I can give out.

DO NOT LISTEN TO ANYONE ON THE INTERNET ONLY YOU KNOWS YOU

A personal computer is just that a personal computer if you take from advice randos on the net it is their ideal computer not yours and you will end up hating it.

>>15691208

Pardon my shitty english btw.

>>15691146

>>15691188

i thought you said you're leaving

>>15691210

No.

>>15691196

Yeah, I was deliberately trying to go for something in the mid-range market.

Funny enough, Logical Increments almost replicates my build here (the $800 one): http://www.logicalincrements.com/articles/build-pc-living-room-gaming-steam-machine#examples

So I guess that means my research wasn't completely worthless, and I picked my parts decently.

>>15691212

Well fuck you too.

>>15691208

I get what you're saying. I would just take any feedback here as exactly that: feedback. I wouldn't necessarily do exactly whatever the first person to respond said.

>>15691211

I didn't.

>>15691194

Isn't "SSD for OS, HDD for games" the norm?

Polite sage for double-post.

You'd be better of with this:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JrMpRJ

>>15691239

also

>8gb of ram

X D

get with the times

>>15691254

>Ryzen 5 2600

Seems like a little overkill to me.

I'll go with the 500GB SSD, though.

>>15691262

For an RX 580 on a 1080p screen, you think I'll need 16GB?

>>15691279

Didn't mean to sage.

>>15691279

i just recently played game that required either 8GB of ram + large paging file OR 16GB of ram, you don't want deal with memory constraints, it's gay

>>15691292

I bet that game was shit, because only new games require 16+ RAM and every new game is shit. Lets hear it.

>>15691292

>you don't want to deal with unoptimized bloated garbage. it's gay

Fixed.

>>15691262

Feel free to strangle this faggot. You're not going to need more unless you want to play low effort console ports or outright garbage.

Also don't get a Seagate, look for a decent deal on a Toshiba. I've also seen HGST suggested. Don't want a storage drive shitting itself.

>>15691132 (OP)

Seems reasonable. Go for it.

>>15691217

>The Console Killer Living Room Gaming PC ($800)

Wow! A 800$ PC is more powerful than a 180$ PS4/Xbone, what is this magic? Seriously, who writes this garbage

>>15691292

>I recently played [video game] buy 16 gig ram goy

Shoo shoo, jew.

wireless keyboard good enough for surfing but sucks balls for games

>>15691132 (OP)

>I don't have room for a normal desktop in my tiny apartment.

Then get a laptop.

There's really nothing worth playing that requires a computer newer than 4 years old.

>>15692219

>get an un-upgradable, un-fixable, overpriced, OEM-only, poorly cooled monstrosity

>I don't have room for a normal desktop

I don't believe you.

Seems pretty solid

>>15691187

There are actually a surprising number of people unfamiliar with some basic principles:

>GPU is much more important than CPU for games, except for emulation

>more than 4 cores aren't beneficial for games

>more than 4GB of RAM isn't crucial, more than 8GB isn't beneficial with most games, more than 16GB is basically useless for games

>RAM speed is generally unimportant for games

>don't skimp on your PSU

>DON'T BUY NEW, USED PARTS WILL HALVE OR QUARTER YOUR COSTS, AND YOU CAN STILL GET A SQUARE TRADE WARRANTY

>>15691239

Yes. Note that it may be worth getting a lower capacity M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD, rather than a cheaper but more capacious SATA SSD, for a very substantial speed increase.

>>15691399

Never, ever use single drives for unique storage. Use RAID mirroring or keep a regularly updated backup of all data you care about on a separate drive, and do not leave SSDs/HDDs offline for storage. You want two drives with the same data plugged in at all times, so that SMART monitoring will warn you as fast as possible and you can replace the bad drive before it actually dies.

Drive failure is a question of when, not if.

>>15692495

>Laptops are crap for video games

>just stick to a console

<don't get a crippled desktop

<get a crippled laptop with a crippled OS instead

>>15692675

>get a crippled laptop with a crippled OS instead

Consoles aren't laptops you tard, they're completely different beasts with a singular purpose, to play video games. Games are optimised for consoles first and foremost. Powerful desktops really aren't worth the price unless you do work that justifies it. You're not getting games that actually takes advantage of the potential of PC hardware these days. Laptops are alright for doing work on the go which is their intended purpose but they are shit for video games and are a terrible desktop replacement.

>>15692495

>Laptops are crap for video games tbh, the keyboards always suck and you're always stuck in an awkward angle when using them.

What prevents OP from connecting it onto a big screen and custom gamepads?

The only advantages consoles have over PC are exclusives, price and QoL stuff, period.

>>15692901

Why would he need a laptop for that purpose? I mean what's the point? What benefit does he get from the integrated keyboard and screen? And consoles do have more advantages than that, like the used games market and less of an OS footprint. Not saying they're better, just that for modern vidya they're probably the best option.

>>15692901

>consoles

>QoL

You have a point there, if you mean gens 6 and older, but PS4 and Xbone are both crippled laptops with no fun allowed OSes. At least Switch is portable. Wish some bored and libertarian richfag from Japan made a Zentoo based home computer with pack-in game pad. Even if it was expensive, it still would be competitive, since Switch's a tablet and kuSony has lost a lot of trust from the Japanese.

>>15692887

Consoles are literally years-old laptop SoCs

>the potential of PC hardware

Is fully realized by its infinite back catalog, ability for games to be reconfigured/fixed/modded, and ability to be inexpensively upgraded or repaired.

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>used games

Full price is cheaper on PC, used keys exist, games can be fully backed up using official tools, and /scurv/ is far easier.

>less of an OS footprint

OS on PS4 eats up over 90GB HDD, 3.5GB RAM, and an entire CPU core, at all times.

>>15692970

That would be great, but all that's REALLY needed is Android phones with an integrated gamepad (and, unlike JXD or their ilk, solid build quality and high-end specs). A modern GP32, if you will.

>>15693159

I know, but home compusole would have bigger shitposting potential, if it also was a genuinely great console. I'd love to see an Nintendon't ad, but this time, it's Sonisn't.

As for mobile, I'm not sure if combining a handheld and a phone would be a good idea. Maybe game pad add-ons on the sides could fare better, but they would most certainly need some system sellers or else it's DOA, like nvidia shield.

>>15691132 (OP)

graphic card might be definitely overkill depending of what you plan to play (high-end cards are mostly about 4k shit). No need to buy into the "gayming PC" meme if you're about to play and emulate old shit, and then shitpost on the Internet most of the time. I still have a Pentium Broadwell, 8GB DDR3 and a GTX 1050ti from 2 years ago that are still far enough for my personal uses.

>>15693159

>Consoles are literally years-old laptop SoCs

Blame the EU for imposing its "muh ecology" laws on draw power towards console manufacturers if anything

>Is fully realized by its infinite back catalog

You dont need a powerful desktop to play old shit. And the anon is right that hardly anything these days really takes advantage of the PC hardware (to the point of justifying a huge rig), besides some PS3 ports of action games, and even those run good on my budget build

>ability for games to be reconfigured/fixed/modded

That's what the anon said earlier about "unless you do work that justifies it". I dont also see how fixing pc-exclusive fuckups on lot of ports should be praised as an advantage. It's still good the ability is present (assuming obviously someone do make the mod in question to fix particular issue) but still.

>and ability to be inexpensively upgraded or repaired.

Upgrading stopped being an argument in regards of PC tbh with the bullshit around going on. And the ability to repair electronics isnt exclusive to a computer.

>games can be fully backed up using official tools

>and /scurv/ is far easier

I fail to see how this is hot shit and exclusive to PC

Something I've noticed among you master race fags due of their absolute on consoles for the sake of it, is that you're willing to also buy into the Android/goyphone meme too.

>>15693354

>graphic card might be definitely overkill depending of what you plan

Both old and new games, in 1080p.

>>15693341

I really just want consoles dead. No more devkits, no approval process, no walled garden, no exclusives. Just let me run/write what I want from who I want on my hardware.

>Maybe game pad add-ons on the sides could fare better

I don't own a Switch, but the JoyCons seem unpopular, I've even seen a lot of people using standalone Bluetooth gamepads with them. Also, as you implied, my personal ideal would be something more like a PSP, the Switch is bigger and heavier than some netbooks!

>>15693354

>Blame the EU for imposing its "muh ecology" laws on draw power towards console manufacturers if anything

Those regulations only apply to sleep mode, menu navigation, video playback, etc., because older consoles were too retarded to implement dynamic clocking and core sleep. There are no limits on full draw gaming operation.

>You dont need a powerful desktop to play old shit

Depends on how future-proofed and modded it is. Either way, being able to play anything you want off the same machine is very convenient.

>I dont also see how fixing pc-exclusive fuckups on lot of ports should be praised as an advantage

Console originals have the same problems. Even simple stuff, like controls hardcoded to a dumb layout, 720p30 lock, or loading screens regardless of how fast your SSD is.

>Upgrading stopped being an argument in regards of PC tbh with the bullshit around going on.

It's not as good, sure, but being able to take a rig from obsolete to current gen with an $80 GPU upgrade is still great. And both the DDR4 pricefixing cartel and Ponziminers are being taken care of as we speak.

>And the ability to repair electronics isnt exclusive to a computer.

No, but being able to swap out a dead component without even a soldering iron is.

>you're willing to also buy into the Android/goyphone meme too.

It sucks, but it's still freer and technically superior to any alternative. Much like complaints about lazy ports to PC sucking, it isn't that it's worse than console, but that in many regards it's not as much better as it should be.

>>15691132 (OP)

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4yM8mq

>>15693619

>No GPU

>250GB drive

El oh el.

>>15693622

>what is an APU

If you're not playing the latest goymes the Vega 11 onboard should suffice

>>15691132 (OP)

>CPU

If you're building a mini build get a 2400g APU instead so you can ditch the GPU for better airflow and lower cost unless you plan on playing AAA on high-ultra.

>Mobo

If you're going to pay 100+ on a mobo you might as well get a B450 since B350s are depreciated at this point.

>Ram

It's acceptable but you should look for faster ram preferably 2800-3000 for a performance boost on ryzen

>HDD

>5400

nigga come on get a 7200rpm HDD at least that shit isn't expensive. Also I suggest getting an SSD and if you get a B450 mobo you get StoreMI tiered storage for free vid related.

>GPU

If you want a RX580 you can get cheaper and better:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131713&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker,%20LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

This has great performance and one of the best if not the best cooler

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202278&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker,%20LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

Good build quality and cooler. Also doesn't come with useless bullshit like RGB. If you want to get this one you should wait because it goes on sale for 200-220 every now and then.

>>15694023

>If you're not playing the latest goymes

I do want to be able to play new games, though.

>>15694054

>unless you plan on playing AAA on high-ultra.

I would like to be able to do that, yes.

>get a B450 since B350s are depreciated at this point.

Will do. Thanks.

>get a 7200rpm HDD at least

>I suggest getting an SSD

Yeah, that was my biggest takeaway from this thread. Going to get a 240GB SSD and 1TB 7200rpm HDD.

>If you want a RX580 you can get cheaper and better

I picked that one specifically because people have said it's extremely quiet, even at high loads, which I want given that this is for living room gaming in a small case.

>doesn't come with useless bullshit like RGB

I do appreciate that. I was considering that Sapphire one.

Polite sage for double-post.

>>15693427

I don't care about consoles either way, but the point of AMD64-based home computer was to more or less smuggle a PC to Japan.

>I don't own a Switch, but the JoyCons seem unpopular

I didn't think about Joycons, more about something like a PSP without a screen. Get one side of a PSP, stick two rails to one of them, slide phone in the rails, cap on the other end with the other side and there you go.

>>15692205

This

>>15691132 (OP)

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mswk7W

Go to /tech/ consumer questions thread next time

>>15704594

>No discrete GPU

Ecks dee.

just get an htpc and stick a tower in a closet or basement.

i use a pi but i know there are nicer ones with wifi/bluetooth built in. local streaming with limelight still 'works' and is fairly latency free. i know there's a newer solution with one of the xbmc addons though.

>>15691132 (OP)

Dont forget to install windows 10 for the best vidya experience!

>don't have room

It sits on the floor and takes up like 6"x24"x30" tall of space. You must have room.

>>15704946

It's more about the monitor. I don't have anywhere to put it. So it's going to have to connect to my TV.

>>15704946

And what about the monitor, keyboard and the desk you're going to need to put all this shit on?

I'm in the same boat as OP; I have no space in my room for a PC and I'm not gonna put it anywhere else but my room.

>>15705014

I use two fold out tables side-by-side. The monitor is on the left corner turned towards me, and the keyboard straddles both. The mouse is on the right.

>>15705110

Sounds kind of miserable.

>>15705128

It works better than expected. I'm never uncomfortable.

>>15704965

Plenty of room there

I have a mid range pc in a mini itx case and it would look huge in an entertainment center. Id check out small form factor prebuilts like already mentioned if you want cheap. The real issue is finding a good gui that can be controlled entirely without a mouse and keyboard. Gamepads are the only correct option here.

Retroarch is a pain to navigate but it is useable if you're only going to be emulating. Launchbox big box mode exists but I've never tried because it costs money and the standard mode is too confusing to setup. There's also stuff like kodi which is more geared towards movie watchers. There has to be something better.

>>15691132 (OP)

> I don't have room for a normal desktop in my tiny apartment

>Rate my desktop PC

So that's really you in the picture

>>15691262

That is getting with the times. RAM prices have shot through the roof in recent years. There's a reason why there's a class action lawsuit against the RAM manufacturers for price fixing. Unless you're buying 2nd-hand RAM that's an ugly fucking price tag when 8 is still serviceable.

Still, I'd sooner buy 8GB of RAM in 1 stick so you could upgrade with another 8GB stick later.

>>15693329

>That's why I picked the aftermarket cooler, and the ROG card (which supposedly has very good and quiet cooling). Also, this case supposedly has good airflow.

You should get some thermal paste while you're at it. Kryonaut or Arctic Silver 5 should do the trick. Conductonaut if you're a freak about cooling, but be very careful handling that shit. Bad thermal paste ruins the value of a cooler.

>>15691132 (OP)

make room

>>15691132 (OP)

I have a 604 sq. ft apartment and I can fit my PC in just fine you stupid fuck.

>>15720430

>604 sq. ft

That's huge.