cd250d No.15657312
Which ones are good? Which ones are bad? I'm playing Risen right now, I's certainly a welcome departure from sandbox style games like Morrowind, I'd give it a 7/10. Is Gothic any good?
cd250d No.15657333
I couldn't get past the turnip gathering part in Gothic II, too difficult.
0ec20f No.15657345
>Gothic
good
>Gothic II
very good
>Gothic 3
with fan patches fine
>Risen
good
>Risen 2
ass
>Risen 3
absolute trash
>ELEX
haven't played. heard its ok
3b649c No.15657351
>>15657312
Gothic is great, Gothic 2 is the best, Gothic 3 is okay but fairly underwhelming, Risen is good (almost as good as Gothic 1), Risen 2 & 3 are garbage, ELEX is better than Risen 2&3 but worse than Risen 1
a5cbf8 No.15657352
>>15657312
Gothic is awesome, but I don't think it aged well, especially the controls take a lot of time to get used to. Still, it's a fantastic game with a really creative setting.
As far as I know, most people think that Gothic 2 is the best of the series, but I haven't played a lot of it, and I always liked Gothic better.
Gothic 3 is a bit of a mess because the overall design is pretty half-baked, and the publisher rushed it out early, but there's fan patches that fix a lot of the bugs. I'd only recommend it if you're a fan of the series.
Risen is pretty good, kind of like a modern Gothic 2.
Risen 2 is alright, but it feels oddly disconnected from Risen even though it's a direct continuation with the same protagonist and other recurring characters. Also, the game design is headscratching in a few places. For example, I quit the game when I was at a certain point at which I more or less accidentally found out that a certain character actually was a bad guy in disguise. When I called him out on it, he, his crew and an entire village of cannibals immediately fucked my shit up, and I couldn't find any way to progress the story without calling him out.
I haven't played Risen 3.
Not much I can say about Elex, the setting is a weird mix of fantasy, sci-fi and post-apocalyptic, but the game somehow makes it work without being too goofy. The combat is good with the exception of some flaws like a retarded stamina meter. It's a decent game, but so far it hasn't pulled me in like Gothic or Risen.
If you like Risen you might look into other PB games, because, let's be honest, they've been making different iterations of the same game over and over for twenty years.
I still want Gothic 4
3b649c No.15657365
>>15657352
>I still want Gothic 4
there's Arcania :^)
51e51e No.15657366
>>15657312
In terms of quality:
The good
Gothic
Gothic 2 + Add On
Risen
ELEX
The bad
Gothic 3
Risen 2
Risen 3
>>15657352
There was a Gothic 4, but we don't talk about it.
a5cbf8 No.15657372
>>15657365
I like to think that there isn't.
cd9727 No.15657374
gothic, gothic 2 and risen are the only "good' games. every other game is irredeemable indie tier trash that constantly remakes the same dated games every year. do not support piranha bytes, do not give them your money. the people who made gothic are long gone and the current developers are hacks cashing in on the name other developers made before them. watch out for autistic german retards who act like pb is a good developer
3b649c No.15657381
>>15657366
Gothic 3 wasn't that bad. It just fell for the MASSIVE OPEN WORLD meme and was rushed as fuck. There were some really puzzling design decisions like having the orks just go auto-aggro on you if you helped rebels too much (even though they didn't know it was you who did that), leading to suddenly losing access to over half the quests, and the entire desert part seemed like it was cobbled together in the last five minutes before release. Still, if you kept all these things in mind played around them (only making the orcs pissed after you did all the quests you wanted, etc.) it was pretty decent. I think the stigma comes majorly from how much of a disappointment this relatively mediocre (for the time) sequel to the god-tier Gothic 2. I'd definitely place it above ELEX, at least. After all, ELEX suffers from many of the same issues, only even worse.
3b649c No.15657401
>>15657372
It's the only time I know of when a publisher went and renamed the game after the release, just to make it not taint the IP any further.
cd250d No.15657402
>>15657374
Is piranha bytes the last implicit stand of German identity?
cd9727 No.15657413
>>15657402
i think that's why germans are so autistic about defending that shit studio. nationalism is banned in germany so they partly channel their nationalistic pride through pb
7c2a27 No.15657439
The first two were breddy gud. A little clunky in the interface with some obnoxious questing, but breddy damn gud on the whole.
I remember Gothic 3 before the patches. The very first fight I got in, there were enemies half-way in the ground, some were completely underground and couldn't be hit but could still attack, and there were horrendous lag spikes. Got stunlocked by unassailable fuckers and died. Dropped it right there.
Once some decent patches were out, picked it up again. It was okay, but it felt rushed and not to the standard of the first two games.
77a189 No.15657458
51e51e No.15657468
>>15657381
>Gothic 3 wasn't that bad.
Don't white wash history, Gothic 3 was terrible the first few years and the reason the Gothic Series went under.
In terms of fuck ups, it was a bigger catastrophe as a series finale than Mass Effect 3 because at least you could play Mass Effect 3 to the end.
Then they released the horrendous Add On for Gothic 3, which managed to reintroduce bugs that had already been patched out.
And only years later did some die hart fan fix this mess into a playable state and even then its a shallow experience compared to any other Piranha Bytes game.
People shit on Risen 2&3 and they should, because it was Piranha Bytes try at the AAA Game market, but at least those two Games had a stable release.
>>15657374
>every other game is irredeemable indie tier trash that constantly remakes the same dated games every year.
You can say this type of bullshit about Nintendo, Capcom and Konami too.
If we talk about Gothic style games, then Piranha Bytes is sadly the only company out there that makes them, just how Capcom is the only company that puts out decent survival horror games.
Are all of their games good? Fuck no, but should that be counted against them? That is also a no.
f1d5b0 No.15657473
Didn't like Gothic and ELEX, didn't try anything else. Granted I didn't get very far in those games, but I feel I played them enough to write them off.
cd250d No.15657486
>>15657473
OP here, I tried my hand at Gothic II and it's a bit too autistic for me. I'm playing Risen right now and it's been floating my boat. So, maybe try it out if you're trying to scratch your RPG itch.
3b649c No.15657489
>>15657468
>Don't white wash history
what?
cd250d No.15657502
3b649c No.15657511
>>15657502
thanks, anon. In recent years, I only heard the term in connection with tumblr.
cd250d No.15657518
>>15657511
Understandable.
5640eb No.15657551
>>15657312
Gothic is shitty because
>shit controls
>shit story
>shit graphics
>artificial difficulty and minmaxing
>boring
i get it if someone played it as a kid and has nostalgia goggles on but otherwise there is nothing good or fun about it
cd250d No.15657577
>>15657551
So, what games do you recommend?
3b649c No.15657583
>>15657551
>shit controls
true
>shit story
that's, like, your opinion, fag
>shit graphics
>caring about graphics
>artificial difficulty
>no level scaling now equals artificial difficulty and minmaxing
you're such a fucking nigger
>boring
>no argument
kill yourself.
5640eb No.15657653
>>15657577
morrowind is better in every way than turkic
>>15657583
fuck off back to reddit
cd250d No.15657662
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>15657653
>morrowind is better in every way than turkic
3b649c No.15657691
>>15657653
>morrowind is better in every way than turkic
thanks for confirming your shit taste
543789 No.15657724
>Gothic 1
Good, not as good as Gothic 2. World is quite small, quests aren't too great, very linear story progression aside from the initial faction choice.
>Gothic 2
GOAT. Best ARPG of all time without question. The game is essentially flawless, aside from a few bugs. It's also long as hell, it took me 50 hours for my first playthrough.
I haven't completed it without the Night of the Raven expansion, but apparently it increases the difficulty by a ton compared to vanilla.
>Gothic 3
Bad. Buggy and boring/shit quest design and world. Only playable with fan patches.
>Risen 1
Good, but a bit generic. It's basically Gothic 2 again, nothing wrong with it but not spectacular.
>Risen 2
While the game itself is meh, the writing is funny and really well done. It's also pirate themed which gives it a few points automatically. Not bad, but not good either. Painfully 6/10, but if you skip the actual gameplay by abusing the musket and dodge roll and just play it for the writing and quests it is decent and bumps up to a 7/10.
>Risen 3
Equally, it is meh. It's a bit like Risen 1, not bad but a bit too generic. Again, painfully 6/10. They did improve the combat a ton over Risen 2, though.
>Elex
A return to form. Great game all around, huge and detailed world, great progression, good characters, a lot of choice and consequence, fun quests and it isn't generic like Risen 1 was. Their second, third or fourth best game depending on how much you liked Risen 1 or Gothic 1. I think it's a step above Risen 1 but a step below Gothic 1, so it's their third best game for me.
It's also long as hell, I have heard of people playing through it 3 times and spending >200 hours on it.
t. completed all PB games other than Gothic 3
5640eb No.15657766
cb3614 No.15657798
>>15657767
Why the fuck did Mark delete this post?
543789 No.15657803
>>15657767
Not a Gothic game and not a PB game.
They even retitled it as just "ArcaniA" on Steam.
543789 No.15657804
>>15657798
Shows up on my screen no problem mate.
a5e5bb No.15657814
>>15657551
Played it in 2016, it was great, stop using nostalgia goggles as an "argument".
Didn't like Gothic 2 though, critical hits are bullshit.
63015a No.15657978
>>15657312
>Gothic
8/10
>Gothic 2
9/10
>Risen
7.5/10
>everything else
Shit-tier, don't even bother.
63015a No.15657981
>>15657814
>likes gothic
>dislikes gothic 2 because of "critical hits"
The combat mechanics are identical between the two games, anon.
a5e5bb No.15657989
>>15657981
Then why is it that I can survive a hit in 1 but not in the other.
63015a No.15657994
>>15657989
1 hit against what? At what level? In what armor? Are you playing vanilla or Gold+NotR?
a5e5bb No.15657996
>>15657994
anything, regular level in regular progression, most basic of armour, Gold+NotR.
63015a No.15658005
>>15657996
What do you mean regular level in regular progression? It's very easy to stumble into extremely powerful creatures that you should not be fighting at a given time, there is no clear cut inorganic progression line you should be following. The NotR expansion amps the difficulty from about 'average' to 'extremely difficult', so I don't know why you're playing that on your first playthrough.
a5e5bb No.15658053
>>15658005
Any creature I fight is an extremely powerful creature I should not be fighting right now! I try every path I can see and it all leads to thing that gets mad at me and kills me in one hit!
f587a2 No.15658070
>>15657981
Not true. It's not even a critical hit mechanic in Gothic 2 anymore.
In Gothic 1, you've got your normal weapon damage that displays under the weapon in inventory, and that's what you hit for. On top of that you can score critical hits depending on how good your skill with a weapon class is. It caps at 15% at master level IIRC. In Gothic 2, however, the percentage showing in the stats screen is your hit percent. It means that there are no critical hits, and instead you only hit for full damage as often as the % says in the stat screen. All other hits are for 5HP each. Any hit. With any weapon. They basically adapted Morrowind combat for the 2nd game - or NotR at least.
>>15658005
Which is probably what this anon >>15657989 is perceiving. Many NPCs encountered in early game have relatively low weapon skills but possess retard strength, so that they can pose a challenge while carrying weapons made of junk that would suit their in-universe social status. So they'll hit you for flat 5HP most of the time due to low weapon skill but once in a while they smash you into the pavement for your entire whopping 70HP with their 10 damage stick and 60 STR. It's probably not as noticeable in the base game since their STR levels are not superhuman.
Source: hours of trying to beat up Silvio's boys to impress Lee's boys and get into the cool kids' club.
d4c99a No.15658108
i enjoyed risen 2 it is what it is, a buggy fucking mess but a decent rpg regardless. i've yet to play others but judging this thread gothic 2, risen 1 and elex are worth it
3b649c No.15658113
>>15658053
Yeah, that's NotR. It rebalanced the whole game, making early game very difficult (it gets easier as you progress, though). Personally, I loved that. It's one of the few RPGs that actually offers a challenge to me. If you don't like this, however, just play without the DLC.
3b649c No.15658119
>>15658108
If you liked Risen 2, you'll probably like everything by PB. The only thing as bad or worse is Risen 3.
d4c99a No.15658132
>>15658119
lol no funnily enough i hated that, might be decent further on but the setting/characters and gameplay turned me off, i know risen 2 is somewhat objectively a shit game but it had a certain charm imo
0ec20f No.15658134
Not sure if it was mentioned before, but gothic has pretty solid modding fanbase, usually in the eastern block. you can find plenty of really decent both original game modifications and totally new adventures. Most dont have proper voice-over tho
543789 No.15658142
>>15658132
>but it had a certain charm imo
It was the humor, characters and story combined with the semi-historical setting. That was what saved it.
f587a2 No.15658149
>>15658053
Blocking and dodging works wonders. Just make sure that you set "Gothic 1 controls" to NO, and bind a block button. Blocking is effective against humans and other weapon-wielding humanoids and dodging (by tapping back) gives you i-frames against anything. Early game is really hard but manageable if you save frequently and have a good feel for which battles to pick. Eventually it becomes more manageable. And if you're fond of breaking the system that PB broke, level skills and statistics up to 29%, 59%, 89% with +5 and +1 levelups, and then bring them up by 5 points from exactly these breakpoints. Cost in skillpoints increases after each 30%, but rises are registered only once you hit these breakpoints, so upping by 5% one point before them will give you extra 4 discounted points that will make the game a bit easier, if you find NotR's difficulty curve unfair. Also don't waste points on animal dissection skills, they're worthless for the most part.
a3a660 No.15658151
>>15657312
>Which ones are good?
Gothic, Gothic 2 and Risen. Gothic 3 can be modded to be fun and Elex is alright as well.
63015a No.15658182
>>15658053
Play through vanilla first. You need to git gud and master the combat before you fuck with NotR.
>>15658070
>It's not even a critical hit mechanic in Gothic 2 anymore.
It is.
>All other hits are for 5HP each. Any hit. With any weapon
(Weapon Damage + Strength - Armor - 1)/10 with a damage floor of 5, and your skill is the percent chance to remove the /10 from the equation and perform a critical hit.
7d0631 No.15658194
>>15657345
I am ashamed to say that I pre-ordered Risen two. Elex is ok, but melee builds kind of blow in the game with the janky stamina system.
f587a2 No.15658216
>>15658182
I see, though I'd say that's a minor difference. If the attack damage is decreased to 1/10th on "normal" hits and "critical" hits don't hit for bonus damage but for not-decreased damage, would you really call them critical hits though? Especially that you can raise the skill to 100% and strike crits 100% of the time. It's more like those 1/10th hits are fumbled hits, given how laughable the damage they do is.
a5e5bb No.15658511
>>15658113
>>15658149
>>15658182
I'll think about it, thought finishing Gothic 1 would be gud enough but ok.
543789 No.15658561
>>15658511
Gothic 2 is better.
63015a No.15658629
7e7091 No.15658662
>>15658629
Is there a need to install any mods or fixes for G1?
63015a No.15658744
>>15658662
Yes, you need the systempak for G1 because otherwise it's capped at 20fps.
2cfa8b No.15658758
>>15657312
Gothic: Classic
Gothic II: worthy successor
Gothic III: okay
Risen: Try to go back to Gothic formula, succeed
Risen2: Try to go back to gothic formula once more, fail
Risen3: Try to go back to Gothic formula a third time, epic fail
Elex: Can't go back to Gothic formula, do it anyways but in sci-fi setting, mcdonald's for the brain tier
543789 No.15658853
d4c99a No.15658861
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>>15658758
>mcdonald's
mmm, i love me some big mac! also the mc chicken mcnuggets too! mm, nice
de1d9d No.15658883
>>15657468
>Are all of their games good? Fuck no, but should that be counted against them? That is also a no.
autistic german retard should fuck off back to krautchan where he belongs. you fucking retard. you fucking monkey. you clearly don't understand what pb is. the people who made gothic 1 and 2 are no longer with pb. the modern pb are nothing more than garbage hacks who have never made a good game in their life
543789 No.15658947
>>15658883
>the people who made gothic 1 and 2 are no longer with pb
True and false, some people are still left at the studio but some others did also leave. Companies change.
Modern PB made Elex, and Elex was great. Fuck you.
1c7b91 No.15658964
>>15658861
Is that Jordan Peterstein's daughter?
63015a No.15658984
>>15658947
Haven't looked into it since release, has the community unfucked it and made it playable yet?
>>15658964
Peterstein's daughter looks like a burned out whore and has tiny milkers, so no.
d4c99a No.15659029
d4c99a No.15659041
>>15659029
how to link other boards?
<faggot
yes, irrelevant
543789 No.15659045
>>15658984
There's nothing to unfuck. Elex had few bugs on release, I played and completed it using the day one patch. A few quests didn't close and one of the combo attacks of two handed axes never connected, but otherwise it had no really big issues. They rebalanced some things and fixed whatever bugs there were left, also toned down some of the volumetric fog. That's about it.
51e51e No.15659247
>>15658883
Cool story bro, the fact of the matter remains that Risen and Elex are good games and only pathetic losers turn individual developers into celebrities.
39d64f No.15659477
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>15657312
Hey hey people. (((Sseth))) here.
20f62a No.15659701
While I still replay Gothic 1, 2 and even 3 every year, I can't bring myself to like Risen. Gothic really succeeds in delivering first impressions in the first hour or two of gameplay - Diego, the Old Camp, a nameless protagonist with personality, these two New Camp dudes who teach you the basics of combat. Gothic 2 - Xardas, turnips, Greg (assuming you play with NotR), various ways to get into Khorinis. Risen just seems cardboard inside and out during the first hours - the most generic looking as possible protag, generic music (even though it's by fucking KaiRo), not-Diego, who's cardboard as well (I'm not even gonna mention that most of the NPC's there are fucking clones of each other), the combat seems even jankier than Gothic - there's something seriously wrong with the animations, I can't wrap my head around it, but I just can't properly time my attacks, something which I mastered easily in Gothic, even back then. Maybe Risen starts getting good as soon as I reach Harbortown, but since the first impressions are so full of cardboard for me, I still can't bring myself to play until that point before I uninstall it. Then later I reinstall it again, then rinse and repeat. Elex had the same bland protag, but everything else was sorta good, so I liked it.
Same with Gothic 3, honestly, but there I at least forced myself into beating the entire game. Clone NPC's, little to no personality, the friends from the previous games get one quest each before fucking off from the plot, no payoff at all, it's bland as fuck. At least the music is great. Not to mention that Gothic 3 is hard as fuck to mod for and there are limits up the ass, there's a reason why Gothic 1 and 2 still get mods.
COMMUNITY STORY PROJECT NEVER EVER
REGOTH NEVER EVER
9b7e7c No.15659751
>>15659477
Kicked out of 106 mmos and it's never their fault?
63015a No.15659756
>>15659701
Risen 1 uses a similar combat system to 1 and 2 in that if you time your attacks properly, you can attack significantly faster than just mashing attacks, and once you get your muscle memory down, it allows you to berserk down enemies that you have no business fighting at the moment. The timing is much tighter than 1/2, and the penalty for fucking up is harsher, so that's probably where you're getting hung up. You also need to learn enemy (animal) movesets and appropriately counter them, because even a lowly boar will run you down and fuck your shit up.
As a whole, I'd say that Risen 1 has the best combat in the series, and (at least for melee) requires far more out of the player, skill-wise, than 1 or 2.
20f62a No.15659773
>>15659756
Maybe I will try it again sometime later.
f07601 No.15660650
So ELEX turns out to be good?
Buyan.
Always support good german devs, people don't realize how much good games come out of Germany.
a3a660 No.15660677
>>15660650
>good german devs
Anon, I love Gothic 2 and I love my country but PB is not a good dev.
f07601 No.15660688
>>15660677
Faggot, considering the modern state of RPG, PB is definitely a good dev.
Then we have newcomers like Overhype Studio (Battle Brothers) and Mimimi Production (Shadow Tactics).
9cc585 No.15660695
>>15657312
For the love of fucking God play Gothic. Risen is decent but it still pales in comparison. Be sure to use keyboard only (yes, seriously).
f07601 No.15660696
a3a660 No.15660714
>>15660688
Except these two are good devs. PB isn't. Anon, they've been making the same game for an eternity and somehow keep messing it up. Also, Elex is alright, not good. Just because some devs are worse than PB, doesn't make them good. They are frankly not deserving of anyone's money. What kind of good goy are you? Or is this you, Shlomo?
f07601 No.15660717
>>15660714
The good artist can make the same thing over and over again, as long as it's good.
>Just because some devs are worse than PB, doesn't make them good.
When other devs make bad games, and PB makes good games, that make them good.
>What kind of good goy are you? Or is this you, Shlomo?
What? Supporting good german dev is Schlomo now?
a3a660 No.15660721
>>15660717
>Supporting good german dev is Schlomo now?
No. Supporting a bad German dev is though.
>broken English
>shilling super hard
Anon, stop being a fucking shill. I hope that you're at least not doing it for free.
f07601 No.15660728
>>15660721
Again, I don't agree with you that PB is a bad dev, not after ELEX, which shows they give a shit.
9cc585 No.15660735
>>15660728
>ELEX shows they give a shit
That game was far less inspired than any Gothic or even Risen. How can you say that?
f07601 No.15660737
>>15660735
I wouldn't call a post-apocalyptic setting where magic fights against gun uninispired.
Haven't seen a game like that in years.
a3a660 No.15660739
>>15660728
You must not play a lot of RPGs if you think that. The game is fucking broken if we're talking on a mechanical level. There are plenty of RPGs you've probably never played that are vastly superior. There is no need for new RPGs if they're not as good or better than the old ones.
If PB gave a shit, they'd stop making the same game or finally make a better game at least. Elex is the best since Risen but Risen is still better and that game is still FAR worse than Gothic 2.
a3a660 No.15660740
>>15660737
>That entire post
Holy shit. Are you under-aged or just retarded?
f07601 No.15660741
>>15660739
Man, what RPG ever come to ELEX recently? Let alone that year?
Kingdom Come for sure, but I can't name any other.
f07601 No.15660742
>>15660740
I'm sorry, what?
9cc585 No.15660743
>>15660737
The factions are the most generic shit ever when you break them down. Theres the natural guys, the magic guys, and the tech guys. That's literally as far as their inspiration went and it shows.
f07601 No.15660746
>>15660743
The natural guys are berserkers who hate modern tech.
The "magic guys" are actually the tech faction that function like knights, except they use guns.
The outlaw guys are basically Mad Max/Fallout gangs.
I wouldn't say they are boring.
7e7091 No.15660750
>finally decide to try Gothic 1
>premise seems interesting
>tank controls, but it's fine, I'll live
>weirdest way to pick up items I've seen in a game
>that fucking inventory management
That last one is absolutely dreadful.
I guess they didn't really know how else to do it since there is no cursor support, but why they didn't bother to implement it in the first place is beyond me.
At least the game looks fun.
9cc585 No.15660751
>>15660746
Fine, maybe it's slightly better than I had thought. But the impression they gave from their pre-release material was so uninspired I never got any interest. I had thought the barebones lore of Hexen with its opposing military, mage and clerical factions was about as interesting.
f07601 No.15660754
>>15660750
The game unironically has one of the best sword fighting animation in video-game dome.
>>15660751
That's not an issue, I'm glad you find out.
9cc585 No.15660758
>>15660750
Eh, It's not that bad when you get used to it, like playing a console game where the keyboard is your controller. Using a mouse just makes G1 even harder.
de1d9d No.15660769
>>15660721
he's an autistic german from krautchan. they absolutely do it for free and any time there's a pb thread they mobilize and start shilling. they even coordinated shill threads on krautchan
f07601 No.15660776
>>15660769
Not even kraut you fucking loser.
de1d9d No.15660783
>>15660776
whatever you say, stupid germanigger
7e7091 No.15660791
>>15660754
I can tell that the weapons need to actually connect to the enemy in order to hit him.
Not many games have this.
>>15660758
You think?
I've been using the mouse so far because I'm so used to having one in hand.
I'd actually consider switching to a controller, but I'm not sure if the game supports them.
f07601 No.15660792
>>15660783
Anti-white detected.
65cf26 No.15660796
>>15657351
>>15657345
Pretty much these but Risen 3 is slightly better than Risen 2.
Also ELEX is pretty good, arguably on par with Risen 1. They both have issues but different ones so it depends on which you can stomach more.
I feel like I need to shill this great mod Odyssee - Im Auftrag des Königs for Gothic 2.
Complete standalone, fully voice acted they even have the original German VA of Xardas, over 600 quests, promises over 200 hours of gameplay - It's a lot bigger than G2 + NotR.
German is the original language but there's an English patch.
https://www.worldofgothic.de/dl/download_522.htm (game download)
https://forum.worldofplayers.de/forum/threads/1529569-Release-Odyssee-im-Auftrag-des-K%C3%B6nigs-2-5-4 (support thread)
https://www.worldofgothic.de/dl/download_540.htm (mod manager/downloader, easiest way to mod Gothic)
>Story
Takes place between G2 and G3, the nameless hero has left Khorinis but the events of G3 have yet to take place.
You're a plebeian guard stationed on a small island with the aspiration of becoming a paladin, so far you've not found any ways to prove your worth and rise in the ranks. One day a ship sent by king Rhobar comes to your small harbour, they need more men and the PC feels like this is a perfect way to get away from this quiet island and into more action where he might be able to show his value and become a paladin.
f07601 No.15660802
>>15660796
Thanks m8.
This is why PC gaming is grate.
9cc585 No.15660805
>>15660791
>You think?
I got stuck on the pit fighting quest chain because I could not fucking win using a mouse, if I recall correctly. I thought about the control scheme of the game and realized their keyboard only scheme made more sense. It also makes sense when you realize that you can only use keyboard for navigating inventory.
65cf26 No.15660817
>>15660805
Exclusively using keyboard is fine, but using a mouse doesn't really add any difficulty.
The only reason to use a mouse is better camera control and faster turn rate, also you can navigate the inventory with WASD + mouse click for confirmation rather than using ctrl for confirmation. I don't recall if 'Target lock' is a feature in G1 (or only in G2) but if it is you need to bind it since it's not on by default and a helps a lot.
de1d9d No.15660845
>>15660792
germanigger not white. they are slavic rape babby and nigger hybrid mix from american nigger raping them
3f2a4e No.15660883
>Gothic
Great.
>Gothic II
Almost as good as the first.
>Gothic 3
Oblivion dicked Gothic 2 up the ass and this was the spawn. It's not as bad as you might think but it shouldn't be your first choice.
>Risen
It's like Gothic 2 but with more recent graphics.
>Risen 2
The shitty pirate themed sequel.
>Risen 3
They just stopped giving a shit at this point and made a game that's bordering on satire and is both bad and incredibly good.
>ELEX
It's one of the better recent open world RPGs. Not as good as the Witcher 3 but better than everything else recent.
2f5b87 No.15661112
>>15660845
Super anti-white detected.
9cc585 No.15661135
>>15660817
I think it was the general hand arrangement of using SHIFT for target lock (if I remember correctly), CTRL to attack and arrow keys to control attack direction that allowed me to play better. Target lock also made using the mouse pointless in combat.
65cf26 No.15661202
>>15661135
>Target lock also made using the mouse pointless in combat.
I just bind 'Target Lock' to the thumb-button on my mouse and I feel like locking on is even more important with a mouse, for some reason the soft lock is better if you only use the keyboard. If you play a ranged character, using a mouse is very nice. You can turn around really fast and start jumping away (acrobatics gives good speed) in order to build up distance between yourself and the target.
But yeah like you said there aren't many advantages besides that to using a mouse, playing MMO's has just made me disgusted by the idea of keyboard turning.
3b649c No.15661212
>>15660845
>germans/slavs/anglos/celts arent white
It's like I'm witnessing a C&D attempt on 2016's /pol/
fb128f No.15661247
Listen nigger:
All of them can be good, it largely depends on what you like. I even like Risen 2 even though it was too short in my opinion.
4cfb14 No.15661268
>>15660796
Played through G2 3 times, Holy fuck, how come I never saw this?
thx m8
27a308 No.15661284
>>15661247
>Risen 2
>short
???
Risen 2 was longer than Gothic 1. I spent 34 or so hours in Risen 2, I completed Gothic 1 in 22.
0952cb No.15661299
Gothic 2 absolutely blew my mind when I first played it, no way I could ever go back to morrowind after playing it.
Elex was suprisingly good and it was hilarious reading threads in here and cuckchan where mutts got assblasted game didn't have level scaling or had the audacity to make enemies past the immediate starting area actual threats
fb128f No.15661307
>>15661284
I bet you didn't even sit at fires at night and listened to the stuff people talk about.
If yes, then get out of my colony.
27a308 No.15661331
>>15661307
That type of LARPing doesn't appeal to me too much, although I listened through basically every single line of dialogue in the game already cause it's so short.
fb128f No.15661424
>>15661307
>LARPing
>Live Action Roleplaying
>in a game
65cf26 No.15661443
>>15661284
>I completed Gothic 1 in 22.
I agree that it's on the shorter spectrum but you can autistically do every quest leading up to joining a specific camp before finally deciding for one of them and also clear out all the wildlife you can find between chapters since many of them respawn if dead.
Also if someone that knows German wants to replay G1 I highly recommend this mod. Sadly I don't think there's an English patch.
>Gothic 2 NotR difficulty (vanilla G1 is laughable if you've played NotR)
>New weapons, items and balancing
>New talents
>Adds new areas, treasures and monsters whilst expanding on old, more vegetation
>New NPC's
>Quests
>Bugfixes
>Better AI
>More idle AI behaviour for atmosphere
>Nicer textures (optional, but well done and fit the game)
Download:
https://www.worldofgothic.de/dl/download_462.htm
65cf26 No.15661445
>>15661443
Oh and its name is "Die Welt der Verurteilten".
fb128f No.15661576
>>15661443
>you can autistically do every quest leading up to joining a specific camp before finally deciding for one of them
i always thought everybody does this. It's just more fun and the xp/ore you get isn't bad either.
>Welt der Verurteilten
i played that a bit but it keeps crashing. Going to look for a fix when im the mood for some Gothic again
65cf26 No.15661605
>>15661576
One of the more common reasons for a mod to crash would be that you haven't added the gothic executables as an exception.
I can also recommend using spine which makes modding a lot easier (even includes systempack by default) and it has both Welt der Verurteilten and my previously recommended mod Odyssee - Im Auftrag des Königs
3b649c No.15661921
>>15661443
the most length in Gothic 1 isn't even the quests, it's in exploration. Since the whole thing is hand-made, exploration is actually great fun as you constantly find new cool shit wherever you go. Can come upon some quests too that way. I think that what I like the most about G1 is just that - the world design. When you explore it, it feels really large as there's always something interesting to check out or to do, but when you need to get from one place to another, you realise how just how small the whole thing actually is. In my opinion, this is an example of what every open world game should strive to do, rather than making a massive map that's 90% utter nothing.
65cf26 No.15661969
>>15661921
Yeah I agree, this is what I feel like ELEX pulled off really well despite having the worst combat they've ever managed to implement into a game except for maybe Risen 2. It all comes down to finding the easiest way to cheese enemies which boils down to mini stunning with Plasma Rifle or stunlocking with fire magick or flamethrower. Just flying with your jetpack and spamming laser rifle or bow works too.
Unlike Gothic 3 which is
>a massive map that's 90% utter nothing.
ELEX actually manages to make their large-ass map feel handcrafted just like their smaller ones in G1, G2 and Risen 1.
>>15661576
>i always thought everybody does this. It's just more fun and the xp/ore you get isn't bad either.
Forgot to say, but yeah me too. I just can't think of any other way to get 22 hours in a play through if you don't skip most quests which aren't necessary.
Played through G1 with the above mentioned mod and saves before the sleeper were at ~55-60 hours. That's not taking into account when I've died or otherwise fucked up and had to reload and the fact that I already knew what to do in a majority of the quests and being well-versed in the combat and controls.
If you get 22 hours out of your first G1 playthrough, you're doing something wrong.
3b649c No.15662047
>>15661969
the problem with ELEX is that while the map is, admittedly, pretty damn full, it's also sort of uninteresting. The majority of places you find are pretty generic and don't relate to anything, and when you do clear them out, there's usually not much of a reward. For example there was this place hidden behind a waterfall, where you found several trolls together along with an (I think) unique variety, with a throne and all, and it looked really cool, but when you slaughtered them, there was no worthwhile loot at all.
>It all comes down to finding the easiest way to cheese enemies which boils down to mini stunning with Plasma Rifle or stunlocking with fire magick or flamethrower
Just craft elex potions, put it all in STR, and kill almost anything in one blow (the really tough enemies will take two or three hits). It felt goofy when MC went "I am clean of elex" after chugging 50 potions of that shit
5e98a6 No.15662326
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Here are some unbiased and real reviews of gothic 2 and elex
a5cbf8 No.15672654
>>15659477
That's actually a pretty accurate review.
70db22 No.15672720
>>15657345
I don't think G3 can be made good. With fan patches it's tolerable, but you can still tell game is unfinished. ELEX is probably their best game since G2.
ab886c No.15672813
>Gothic 1
Has an amazing atmosphere, really grim but somewhat comfy and rustic compared to Risen/Elex. Soundtrack is amazing, combat system is inconsistent and skewed to fuck the player over but it's a consistent theme with all piranha bytes games. Storyline is kind of generic and linear although setting alone kind of drew me in. Also world changes as you progress with the main storyline, more so than in Gothic 2. Also the game depicts a struggle for power between the camps each having a reasonable (66.6% of the time) goal while defending their interests in logically justifiable ways. It's too bad so many events and story branches have been cut out from the final release, the game could use more in-depth interaction between the camps aside from the few scripted events presented in the game.
>Gothic 2
Not as moody and climatic as the first release in my honest opinion, it lacks the 'gothic' theme from the first game. Combat system is slightly more dynamic and less clunky than in the first release. Also the game is more brutal when it comes to initial difficulty. I liked the story less than in the first game, again, mostly because the setting lacked this dark mysterious ambience present in the first game. Magic system is a straight improvement compared to the first game, also the game has rune crafting, more complex alchemy with all the ingredients you can find and potions you can make, blacksmithing and even fishing- the last two were basically absent from the first game. Also it has (in my opinion) the single best dlc i've ever played aka Night of The Raven which changes the world completely adding shit ton of content and a new optional storyline which is in my opinion simply unforgetable. It could be a game on it's own.
>Gothic 3
JUST no. Combat system is now down to light and strong attack with mouse buttons, no more attacks from different directions, the entire game is basically still an unfinished beta after all the patches after initial release (which was unplayable). The entire atmosphere that made gothic gothic is now gone, instead you get a candy-themed world with flat characters (felt like a game from bethesda), generic story, no memorable moments and an unfinished, unpolished world which ultimately dissuades you from siding with any faction (your choices have no meaning here, 'camp' system is gone). Don't play it.
>Arcania
Not Gothic.
504f2d No.15672820
>>15662326
>>15662327
>muh surrogate e-friend
e88c79 No.15672824
>>15672820
>If you laugh at jokes made by some guy on youtube you dont have friends
You came here to project your insecurities on others?
dc0c00 No.15672843
Oh shit nigger nobody posted this yet?
abe56f No.15672853
>>15658149
>Just make sure that you set "Gothic 1 controls" to NO
don't do that Gothic 1 controls give you more options for combos by combining left/right strikes with forward.
6fc83f No.15673185
>>15657468
>Then they released the horrendous Add On for Gothic 3, which managed to reintroduce bugs that had already been patched out.
They didn't.
They got kiked by their own publisher (((JeWood))) and got screwed out off their rights to their own Gothic series.
The kikes then went and hired some pajeet sweat shop to shit out the horrendous pile of shit that was the G3 Addon.
abe56f No.15673202
>>15657468
>Don't white wash history, Gothic 3 was terrible the first few years
I think most anons refer to it with the community fixes.. I've heard it's ok-ish with them, but still can't really play it, it really sucks in comparison to the other two
cc388e No.15673228
>>15662327
>makes video about german game
>litteraly the first thing he talks about is the holocaust.
Why are jews so incredible butthurt about their silly fantasy stories 70 years after the war? Just let it go man.
e299cc No.15673351
>>15673228
What do you mean? He was talking about the gothic devs
110d75 No.15673366
>>15673351
It's a /pol/ack anon, much like their lefty counterparts they lack the critical things to understand concepts such as "context" and "satire".
abe56f No.15673503
>>15673366
if that post was truly serious, I'd say it is mental deficiency rather than "missing critical things"
57d7d2 No.15673579
Played through both Risen 1 and Gothic 1 within the last month, as well as a bit of Risen 2 but it didn't run very well on my toastertop so I stopped with that one.
Gothic 1 was really fun up until a few of the tedious bits in the temple at the end, but still had a good flow, its just a shame the faction choice amounts to pretty much nothing except what armor you get. Risen 1 was good, but way worse than Gothic 1 in my opinion, especially the last chapter. It all goes downhill after you open the gates and it just become a snorefest of killing more and more pain in the ass lizards until a really boring boss fight, that just kind of ends and Risen 2 dumps the entire plot and changes it all. I'm really not even sure why they decided to reuse characters and the Risen name when it has nothing to do with Risen's plot at all. Must have just been to potentially draw in the 3 people that would recognize the name.
I'm probably going to play through Gothic 2 and 3 and maybe dip my toes back into Risen 2, decide if its worth the effort, skip Risen 3, and go for Elex whenever I can afford something that can run games made after 2009.
ca4898 No.15673756
>>15673579
Risen 3 is actually better than 2, it goes back to the old formula of 3 factions and the combat is greatly improved. Magick is really fun and strong. I'd say that it's at least worth checking out.
Gothic 2 (play with the NotR expansion right from the start, also included in the 'Gold Edition') is like everyone else already pointed out the very best game PiranhaBytes have made, don't forget to install the systempack.
If you have a potato PC you might have issues running Gothic 3 as it's very poorly optimized, though give it a try with the Community Patch.
ELEX is on the same engine as the Risen games and pretty well optimized, it runs a lot than Gothic 3. If you can run Risen 2 you can probably run ELEX.
57d7d2 No.15673839
>>15673756
>If you can run Risen 2 you can probably run ELEX
I can run Risen 2 on low settings and it chugs a bit but not too bad, guess I'll see if Elex can run then. Might give Risen 3 a shot too if its better, though I hate that they ruined the relationship the protag had with Patty
3e5adc No.15673880
>>15673756
Risen 3 is very similar to 2, with only minor changes at best. It's still a complete dumpster fire. Dungeon exploring? Forget it, they turned the fucking traps into QTEs.
dfa1dd No.15673888
>>15673839
Risen 3 protag is different from Risen 1 and 2 protag.
Elex is quite easy to run, a 750 Ti tier card should run it at medium-high. The graphics difference between lowest and highest are surprisingly small.
3e5adc No.15673915
>>15673888
Well, the protags in Risen 1 and 2 might as well be different people too, because they share absolutely fucking nothing. I honestly thought they were different people until they repeatedly kept mentioning that he was the one that did the things in R1.
af221f No.15673974
>Risen 2 is better than Risen 3
>Risen 3 is better than Risen 2
No. They both are absolute trash. Easily the worst games I've ever played.
Definitive ratings btw:
Gothic 1 is 9/10
Gothic 2 is 10/10
Risen 1 is 6/10
29c11d No.15674272
Why do people think that Risen 1 was good? It was not. It had the same "combat system" as G3 - left click to attack, right click to make a strong attack. The combat system of G1 was excellent, one of the best in video games. G2 improved it even more to make it more fluid. G1 and G2+expansion pack were amazing games, definitely in top 3 of the genre. I spent dozens of hours beating those 2 games in every way possible. And while G1 had superior story and setting, G2 was a near-perfect game.
dfa1dd No.15674371
>>15674272
>Why do people think that Risen 1 was good? It was not. It had the same "combat system" as G3 - left click to attack, right click to make a strong attack.
what
That's not how it worked, Risen 1 had basic strikes and charged up attacks by holding M1. Gothic 3 combat was shit because of retarded animations, shitty stamina bar and because it felt so fucking random. Also doesn't help that you could just stunlock enemies permanently with certain weapons.
70db22 No.15674478
>>15673974
For me Risen 2 and 3 both felt like PB gave up on trying to create another knock-off Gothic and basically went for a narrower approach better suited to consoles with shit like islands divided by loading screens, streamlined UI built for gamepads, etc.
a96927 No.15674741
>>15660796
The english for Odyssee is just fucking google translate, you nigger. You made me lose an evening trying to get it to work only to uninstall it after encounter nonsense, garbage wanna-be english
a5cbf8 No.15688414
>>15674478
Well, at least Patty got better.
98b8db No.15688443
>>15674272
unless you played with a staff with which you still have directional strikes by using the movement keys…
0ec20f No.15688444
>>15672843
Is that the same band that was making warcraft songs?
a5cbf8 No.15688998
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>>15688444
Naw, they're a German medieval rock band who do all sorts of medieval songs and poems. No connection to WarCraft I know of and I've been listening to them for fifteen years.
9fb94a No.15689588
Gothic 2 might be pretty clunky but it's still one of my two favourite rpgs along with The Witcher 1.
I wish someone made a game like this again where you have fighting system where you can't just mash lpm, enemies don't respawn for kids with short attention span who need something to kill, there is no level scaling and going into the woods is scary because there is some dangerous shit there
Dark Souls reminded me of Gothic a bit but it has enemies spinning mid animation (what the fuck, it's not like it was made in 90s), wastes your time by making you repeat shit after death like on nes, and all in all is just fucking boring, dropped after defeating that double boss and meeting weird long necked snake.