7acc57 No.15647003
The argument came up when someone decided to mention the usual "best female characters" and all, then it happened, someone said old Lara was funnier and more badass while nu-Lara was kind of whinny and overly dramatic, the one who liked nu-Lara said "is just nostalgia for the mary-sue woman who can't fail, now she is more human, more relatable", we don't have many reboots like Tomb Raider but I hear that stupid argument every now and then.
What about you people? how "relatable" is relatable at all?
6a23c7 No.15647007
this is what happens when rejected cinema/literature writers come to v i d e o g a m e s and think their logic applies
f542e3 No.15647032
Feminists don't want to be reminded of or criticized for their shortcomings. Hence "relatable" characters, as well as fat acceptance and opposition to slut shaming.
000000 No.15647044
>>15647003
Retards like retard characters.
Since they (being retards, and all) assume everyone is like them, they also are the people who claim that books with kid characters are for kids, black girls need black girl protagonists and Moby Dick is for whales.
7acc57 No.15647053
>>15647032
But why pointing out to "Lara's old *I can do anything and everything* self" as a negative if being a female who in their eyes can't fail would be a plus for a feminist?
0b89a3 No.15647061
>>15647053
Because feminists dont look like old lara
They want a female character whos a fat disgusting slob with neon hair just like them but the character also needs to be badass like old lara
77ed20 No.15647123
>>15647007
This.
Same goes for using film actors as voice actors, it just sounds wrong, they stand out and have very little emotional delivery to their lines.
The last picture of Larry Croft is flat as a board, looks like a chinese lad and is utterly unrecognisable.
fb0bcc No.15647126
>more relatable
lol in the first few tr's you could snap your neck just by jumping/diving the wrong way whereas in the new one's you'd have to be a braindead retard to die
poor lara, what did they do to you
77ed20 No.15647129
>>15647053
Fucking learn some punctuation, your post was a headache to read.
77ed20 No.15647132
>>15647003
I just realised, they started basing her look off Angelina Jolie, who, despite not having cancer, had both her tits cut off and her womb ripped out.
She was then described as 'brave'.
Double tit-chop is the only answer.
255e47 No.15647133
>>15647003
>Nu-Lara is so fucking relatable that she never undertakes any permanent character growth that stays with her in between the games
>A rehash of the same game, with whiney Lara
>Game sold like shit that after a month they already drop the price for it and the DLCs in half
Wew
77ed20 No.15647180
>>15647140
It is supposed to be a suntan, she's English. The weird face came from low polygons.
Now you say it, it wouldn't be surprising if they turned her into a wog or halfcaste in the next game.
f2ebb4 No.15647195
Why does she need to be relatable? I don't watch movies or read comic books to relate to the crazy cartoon characters, I do it because they're extraordinary and that's entertaining. I don't get why people say that making a character relatable is automatically a better thing.
0b89a3 No.15647201
worst part is the flatness tbh
59d9f9 No.15647214
>>15647195
It's an excuse, that's all. They're trying to rationalize simple jealousy. These insecure cunts actually felt threatened by a fictional character, so now she's flat and they feel better about their miserable lives.
b4ff90 No.15647216
I'd like to relate to her tits if you know what I mean.
1e13ec No.15647230
>>15647214
>They're trying to rationalize simple envy.
Fixed
1e18b0 No.15647239
>>15647201
Worst part is her personality.
20bdd4 No.15647248
>>15647003
"Relatable" is, much like saying a character is now more "human", honestly nothing more than a buzzword used much like when someone describes media as being "mature". Debating what it means is meaningless because it doesn't really mean anything, it's simply used for writers and the people who like this sort of character to fellate themselves in how they enjoy/write a character that is meant for a 'mature' audience, an audience that conspicuously always involves people like themselves. Am I making sense? I need more coffee.
e1efb5 No.15647255
>>15647003
How can anyone argue that Lara Croft was about being relatable?
She is the heir of an affluent Earl, visited posh institutions for education and etiquette passing them with flying colours, is capable of disturbing feats of athletism and acrobatism, able to handle herself in environments and skilled with her weapons.
Simply through birth alone none of that describes me in any way.
Though I suppose nu-Lara is more relatable, she is a rich, naive white girl out of college, traveling the world to learn about foreign cultures and civilizations, she is whiny and incompetent butting into things she has no idea of and at the same time gets coddled by everyone.
Sounds to me like every young woman where I live.
1e13ec No.15647257
>>15647248
>Am I making sense?
<"Relatable/mature" characters is the writer's excuse to include their self-insert into the story
Yeah, though I never thought of it like that.
b1d98c No.15647260
>>15647003
I suppose it's more relatable because I have the same bust size that NuLara has, and I'm a man.
20bdd4 No.15647290
>>15647257
It's the videogame equivalent of Oscarbait, really - only instead of applying it to a whole movie, the focus lies on how you write (or rather, virtue-signal about) your character in a way that's 'mature' and applies to critics that fancy themselves more 'mature' than the rest of the sheeple.
In some cases it's baiting, in others the devs genuinely seem to believe their own bullshit; an example is how Irrational Games talked a big game about how Elizabeth in Infinite wasn't a Disney princess, when she was even more of a Disney princess than all of Disney's repetoire combined. You're not wrong, though - there's enough evidence to believe the new Lara was Rhianna Pratchett's self-insert.
bab5b4 No.15647308
>>15647003
>escapism being like real life
>a good thing
My response is that real life is boring and bland, so is rebooted Lara. That's on top of her being psychotic and hypocritical. "Out of this world" and "unreal" have a positive meaning, not negative.
fb0bcc No.15647321
the thing that fucks me is i legit don't fucking care if a female character is on the same level as a male but these modern games just present that without expanding on it in any meaningful way
it's condescending as fuck for all parties yet they keep doing it, og lara was hot, vulnerable, maybe a bit naive
whereas nu-lara is just fucking stupid + invulnerable and "badass", with no tits
fuck off
a2c949 No.15647356
>>15647195
I don't get this shit either, maybe it's a self insert type of thing. Like the fags who make characters in rpgs that look just like them. They want to feel like the one being the hero, so if the character is more realistic they have an easier time projecting themselves onto the character, instead of just enjoying the fiction like someone with a healthy brain.
>>15647201
Well they want her to be more realistic, and we all know women with big tits don't exist.
71b9a2 No.15647358
>>15647230
That post is kind of bollocks.
Jealously is feelings of inferiority and resentment as a result of someone else's success or perceived advantage over you. A cheating wife doesn't result in jealously, even in "modern" definitions, it results in feeling of betrayal, disrespect and broken trust.
It's similar to envy in the sense that they're both related to someone else's perceived advantage, but that's where similarities end.
71b9a2 No.15647362
>>15647195
Its a design characteristic. It doesn't automatically make anything better. Good characters can make do without relatability as long as you can understand their intentions and motivations.
7133f0 No.15647420
b4ff90 No.15647428
>>15647358
Cheating wives were never once brought up in that post moishe.
cf9eae No.15647434
>who can't fail
She fails when you fail. It's a video game.
cf9eae No.15647448
Idealistic characters, will often present a template for the player to live up to. Want to be as cool as Dante is in the cutscenes? You can be. Just get good.
a56eba No.15647474
This is relatable video game character.
d4b75d No.15647493
>>15647434
No Lara's failures are different they're cinematic cut-scenes that any idiot could see coming. But Lara is a little more special than most so she heads right into danger and then learns nothing from her experiences.
71b9a2 No.15647503
>>15647428
Do you not know how to read?
78a1d4 No.15647506
>>15647201
and not only in he front, but also in the back
afebc5 No.15647547
>>15647003
Relatable to what?
afebc5 No.15647561
>>15647126
lel Lara is a mutt
220d50 No.15647579
>>15647003
fuck off leftist cuck i don't play games for some cringy story or characters authored by a shitty student intern
i play games to be entertained i dont give a shit about "relatable"
af7b61 No.15647593
>>15647003
Relatable? What, these folks have been raiding tombs before or something? I mean, the greatest characters in vidya aren't even supposed to be "relatable" or did I miss the fact that Italian plumbers can shoot fireballs or an American soldier singlehandedly took down a giant robot with only rocket launchers? Or that an Elf boy can be a great hero…just because he had a dream of a princess calling out to him?
8ba084 No.15647602
>>15647358
You were literally just proven wrong in the post itself, you subhuman KIKE. You are purposely perverting language so that people misuse it and misunderstand the content of the Bible, because you’re fucking TERRIFIED of whites fighting back against you. You are mentally defective.
f542e3 No.15647623
>>15647593
I relate very much to JC. He's a globetrotting nano-augmented paramilitary super agent, just like me.
af7b61 No.15647822
>>15647623
JC? I thought his name is PROD.
b9a9ea No.15647828
>>15647248
Writer here. It's not as much an excuse as their inability to write anything other than a self-insert as the main character. No, seriously, look up some amateur stories on the net and you'll notice there's a pattern of the MC almost always being a self-insert. When you ask them why, they deny it, saying they just "wanted to write a normal person" (so they wrote themselves). It's especially common in video games where a lot of the protags are set up as a blank slate (a mistake if you ask me), so any time they're supposed to say something, the writer goes "what would an ordinary dude say?" and writes what he'd say, which is why so many of these protags in recent years are such massive cucks.
b4ff90 No.15647837
>>15647828
This isn't just in the writing either mind. Ever notice how characters just awkwardly shuffle around whenever nothing important is happening no matter how stoic or badass they're supposed to be? The animators fell for the relatability meme as well.
3d7fac No.15647845
>>15647201
this is the best part
8d5aed No.15647995
>>15647061
No, they want a plank of wood. This (pic) is the dude they got to play Lara Croft in the new movie.
b9a9ea No.15648082
>>15647995
that looks like a skinny guy, not like a woman
a153cc No.15648097
>>15647230
Matthew should've killed his wife tbh.
5c9f1f No.15648108
>>15647995
Why is she even bothering with a bathing top?
af7b61 No.15648117
>>15647995
That really a woman? Flats are a mistake…
213184 No.15648128
>>15647003
>"Make her more relatable"
Saying the IP just died that worked out well. I see Lara joining Adam Jensen on that an indefinite break he is on.
5792da No.15648166
>>15647003
Being a whiny bitch is only relatable if you're a San Francisco soyboy.
ef41aa No.15648292
>>15647195
A relateable everyman character is important when you want a grounded story, especially in a fantastic setting. Think Luke Skywalker (farmboy who knows jacshit about the universe at large, needs lore spoonfed to him like the audience does), or Frodo Baggins (same deal).
It's not that important when it's B-movie cheese in the "real world" (as much as it can be real when Atlantean goddesses start breeding mutant hybrids in a pyramid under the sea), which is what Tomb Raider was in the first place. They hired Little Miss Pratchett to try and write "literature" for a character that didn't need it, then discarded most of it anyway because it didn't fit the gameplay they'd already designed.
The fucking comic books were more in keeping with the character of Lara than this shit-heap of a trilogy. Hopefully SE sees the success of 2B and the failure of nuLara and decides T&A sells. And ironically despite the T&A 2B and Nier: Automata had actual character growth and pretty good writing, while Lara now has neither.
>>15647506
NuLara has an alright butt but she doesn't have the hips or the thighs, which are just as important as buns IMO.
>>15647995
I will repeat it until I die but they should have cast Hayley Atwell in a reboot movie, not that piece of halfbreed scandi driftwood.
3bdfb0 No.15648327
>>15647003
i liked original titty monster croft. i hated for 4chan jumped all over nu-laura when the first reboot was released.
8426a1 No.15648333
>>15647126
I don't know. I let Lara die in the new games intentionally because they spend a lot time making her deaths brutal that it becomes arousing in a weird way. That stake going through her head and her twitching to get it off when Conan was playing it was as close to showing snuff film material on TV. I feel bad for doing this to the old lara but I don't feel that bad doing it to the new lara because in story, she's killed hundreds of people already. It's almost like doing justice to her for turning into a murdering psychopath. I would think there would be more guro artwork of Lara for the new games than when she was the iconic bombshell of the 90s.
358118 No.15648425
>>15648128
>made in UwU Germany
Reality memes nothing.
20a940 No.15648468
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>>15647845
fuck off, I want my 2D woman with child-feeding tits.
20a940 No.15648469
>>15648468
>forgot to spoiler
ohno
fd030c No.15648477
>The Curious Case of Benjamin Button Lara Croft
c97678 No.15648484
>>15648468
It occurs to me that the big tit aesthetic and dfc aesthetic are great in their own ways, but mixing the two just makes shit.
But besides this, anything well-done anime is good and aesthetically pleasing.
Praise god for anime tits.
183b19 No.15648509
>>15647003
At least she stopped looking like a tranny I guess.
04dfa1 No.15648581
>>15647003
>tfw you're basically flawless and can't relate to any character
213184 No.15648625
>>15648581
>tfw your a perfect half gook dropping nukes on spooks.
183405 No.15648637
>>15648581
>finally get around to getting /fit/
>can't self insert into dark souls anymore because I'd be a dex/strenght/int/vit/end build
Being good at everything should be every person's goal.
71b9a2 No.15648693
>>15647602
All your butthurt aside, and hypocresy in misusing the word "literally" while accussing me of perverting language, you're perhaps misunderstanding what I'm saying. The current use of the word "jealously" is what I described, not what the post described. It has nothing to do with envy and people don't usually perceive it as such. It has nothing to do with the feeling you get after getting cheated on, in its current form.
I'm not even touching on the definition of the word "zeal". Given they're two disctinct words, I see no harm in employing both when convenient. Zeal is not something that's considered negative.
5396c4 No.15648714
>>15648693
Kill yourself shitskin
a240ce No.15648716
>>15647561
Interesting tidbit about that, Laura doesn't come across as real or is perceived to be like a mutt because all her facial features are kept unnaturally smooth to maintain her low poly model face because it's so iconic. When she's placed next to characters in the same game who have faces modeled after real people it becomes much more obvious what the problem with her face is.
71b9a2 No.15648727
185277 No.15648729
>>15648292
>pic
Does she do porn?
084936 No.15648982
>>15647255
This. In spite of often being mocked as "Indiana Jones with tits", a better comparison to original Lara would be the (probably inspired by her) xXx films: A globetrotting adrenaline junkie, attempting to convert piles of inherited money and free time into an iron hard body and thrills.
Taking that away really just does leave her as a spoiled rich girl.
7acc57 No.15649446
>>15647547
Apparently other humans or something.
b27c46 No.15649448
as a kid i never quite understood why the phrase was to beat your meat, ive masturbated before but i was wondering if it was possible to bat your dick around roughly to reach climax i tried it to no avail and was mildly confused before shrugging it off and doing it the normal way.
ed6f86 No.15649501
>>15647003
If you friend can relate to nu-lara, then maybe he should be tested for autism.
7acc57 No.15649543
>>15649501
Not a friend, just a gaming group, you should have seen that list, Ellie was also one of those "best female characters" alongside the chick from Horizon Zero Dawn, of course people were asked to name their favorites but I argued about those initial listings too because Ellie is just a plot device and the other one I can't even recall her name, in the case of Ellie I even mentioned how her only relevant trait was being a lesbian kid, then someone said she was an important part of the story (well duh), and how she was at least way better than Ashley in RE4, I mentioned that Ellie was more in line with Hewey from Haunting Ground, that is, not an escort mission but an assist.
fd7f09 No.15649567
I find it hard to fap to characters like old-Lara, Bayonetta, Bloodrayne and such characters that are actually strong both body & mind. Like i'm not good enough to pop a quick one but with nuLara?
No problem whatsoever and rape-tier webms&shit only make my penis harder!
b27c46 No.15649593
>>15649567
it could also help that they had ugly faces
ed6f86 No.15649640
>>15649543
I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.
fd7f09 No.15649672
>>15649593
Ingame models sure but 34-content with tweaked models or straight out drawn 2d you'l find some good shit.
Still not easy to justify fappan if i know their character.
7acc57 No.15649681
>>15649640
>group wants to talk about "best female characters" and ask others about their favorites.
>OP posts pictures of nuLara, chick from Horizon Zero Dawn, Ellie from TLOU among others.
>others argue about those for several reasons.
>OP says is just nostalgia talking and the characters are more human or relatable, or way better than others in the case of companions like Ellie.
2e702e No.15649688
Men like characters they can admire. Strong, smart, courageous, determined, upstanding.
Women like pic related: characters into which they can project themselves. Passive (in the sense that they don't really do much plot-wise, instead things happen to them), and with little personality to get in the way.
8ba084 No.15649719
>>15648693
>you misused the word because i say so
>you are wrong because i say so
>the image is wrong because i say so
>words mean whatever i say they mean
>ha ha wow you lose now
Reported.
d402b8 No.15649769
>>15647003
The problem with "relatable Lara" or "relatable Kraots" or whatever is that they can't be. You didn't play either for muh realism, you played because of either escapism or the individual looking fine as fuck and having their own story to tell. Rebuilding a character from a videogame to suit a narrative or story when his original role is completely different ruins everything, because the reason you got immersed in the character or story or world is the reason why you bought it in the first place. The people behind relatable X KNOW they can't sell their game on merits alone, as no one wants to play as an insecure treasure hunter / archaeologist who gets tossed around for 90 minutes of cutscenes and 3 of gameplay, so they just pick an established franchise and try to say that it's "character development" or "person before they grew the beard" or some shit like that.
Like, take Daddy Kratos and replace the Kratos part for an entire different entity, maybe make him another Greek God also associated with fighting, let's say we're having Daddy Mars. So you have God Of Combat, a game where you are a dad and a son who you gotta escort around teaching him important life lessons while doing very unimpressive combat by throwing an axe and getting it back every x-ty minutes, going into Scandinavia or some shit… Doesn't really sound that engaging, does it? But then you put Kratos' name and suddenly oh shit, it's still not engaging at fucking all, in fact it's even worse since it's robbing people of the kind of game they're expecting for no other reason than the fact your proof of concept didn't work on its own merits.
bca50b No.15649785
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>>15649688
>Women like pic related: characters into which they can project themselves
Not exactly (Video related)
6bafcc No.15649800
>>15649785
>tedx
the same organisation that allowed a pro pedophilia speech.
baby brains.
b4ff90 No.15649804
>>15649769
>You didn't play either for muh realism
And the writer didn't make them that way for you either. Both of these games are just the proverbial you paying to watch a really boring person masturbate for ~15ish hours with no climax.
921059 No.15649818
If games need a "relatable" female character why don't they include cute tomboys who use 僕? Everybody loves them.
000000 No.15649824
>>15649800
>allowed a speech
Is this 8chan or a college campus where people care about who is allowed to give a speech
d49b53 No.15649827
>>15649800
You need to remember the 'x' suffix in Tedx denotes that it's trash that didn't make it to Ted. Quality varies widely from decent to complete trash, so don't be surprised if you find a Tedx talk is garbage.
33a29a No.15649870
>>15649824
>just let the NAMBLA rep speak guys, maybe he has something nice to say
2e702e No.15649873
>>15649800
Implying you wouldn't do a delicious loli if you could…
bd9abe No.15649907
>>15647602
>>15649719
>upset about a conflicting opinion he resorts to screeching kike and reporting what he doesn't like
lmao
b1fdbc No.15649915
>>15647180
>she's English.
All Anglos are mutts.
b4ff90 No.15649918
>>15649907
I wasn't aware definitions were opinions.
52e86d No.15650118
>>15647032
>huge breasted woman
Why do many "translators" not realize you have to be fluent in both languages.
6f43a1 No.15650134
>>15649882
>propagating your dna is not important
Ultimate cuckoldry
52e86d No.15650164
>>15650134
>wanting to bring a kid into this bizarroverse
Besides, we won't need women to have kids soon anyway.
10cf51 No.15650208
>>15650164
This is the only reality there is. To say you'll magically go to some nice anime realm after death is delusional. Artificial wombs will only be owned and created by rich homosexual Jewish banks to create their progeny on an industrial scale, a lowly goyim like you would never have access to such technology.
The only way to live on is through your children or in the hearts of other people. It is wise to do both.
52e86d No.15650234
>>15650208
Where in my post did I say we'd go to a "magical anime realm when we die"? Also, being so scared of death that you have to pretend you'll live on through other people is pathetic. I agree about artifical wombs though.
7acc57 No.15650336
>>15650306
I assume is all the moaning "pain" sounds and her crying over killing a deer while mercilessly killing people.
000000 No.15650413
>>15650134
>>15650208
>spend ~20 years of your life raising kids and pretend that you will magically anime into your kids when you die
Seems like a waste of time to me. Not that no one should have kids, but people have enough right now, so no need to have them if you want to just live your life. Artificial wombs are moderately important, more though for the pure medical development and research potential than use in propagating a family though, at least for now. I don't think I'll live on through humanity or other people, but still, I feel that it is good to improve human conditions. Really though, if you want humanity to live on, we need long distance human space travel, even if it takes a long time to travel (which it most certainly would, many generations), as otherwise we all go if we screw up here.
38db7c No.15650509
>>15650413
>Yes good goy, don't worry and stop reproducing!
A white baby is better than dozen black babies.
52e86d No.15650534
>>15650509
There's more to being white than just your skin colour, it's about your values more than anything. A white person can act like a nigger, so it's more about teaching your kids than letting them be seduced by the jew.
27e3a3 No.15650571
>>15647053
you don't understand. they like perfect women, they just don't like perfect women who are attractive.
3884fc No.15650575
>>15647828
Not writing a self-insert protagonist is harder than I thought, it's easier for me to write a female protagonist because I can easily differentiate myself from them, while writing a male is a bit harder because I seem to write a lot of stories where protagonists having similar personality to me work the best neurotic, paranoid fucks just fit horror stories
206540 No.15650585
>We can't let people play as robots, aliens, beasts, slimes or whatever fun non-human shit because they can't cinematically relate to them
>you have to accept all these black, woman and tranny MCs though don't be racist/sexist goy
921059 No.15650595
>>15650585
Starfighter, Jedi Starfighter (which has zero playable humans), Racer and its sequel (except Annie), and Lethal Alliance all starred non-humans. Play statistics for Galaxies show people definitely want to be non-humans.
7e4113 No.15650653
>>15650585
i blame faisbuk and social media in general for the rise in egolatry.
shit, i am a brown guy from southamerica and enjoyed playin as weird japanese ninjas and robots and stuff when i was little
a4eb28 No.15651376
>>15650585
<we don't understand what it means to be a giant lizard or a droid or a walking ball of jelly
playing as a walking ball of jelly sounds fun. Imagine the sex scenes
de7029 No.15651432
>>15650164
>wanting to bring a kid into this bizarroverse
Of course I don't want to bring a kid. He'd feel so lonely. You should aim for half a dozen.
884b7d No.15651470
>>15650575
>Not writing a self-insert protagonist is harder than I thought.
It's not really hard as long as you keep a distance between your story characters and yourself when you write them, and that the characters are different from each other which can either be a complete opposite of yourself or the characters share some of your aspects, but that's where the similarities ends.
b27c46 No.15651729
>>15650585
marketing logic makes me want to shit
892f4a No.15651746
>>15647845
Flat its great when it looks like >>15647201, but not when it looks like >>15647995
This isn't a 2d vs 3d either. That 3dpd is built like a rectangle, the 2d has an upper body that narrows towards the waste (proportionally too big in the hips though)
e3dfeb No.15651751
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>>15650585
He's not exactly wrong here. It's harder for a person on first glance to relate to a character who looks like an alien or a monster. It's why artists tend to anthropomorphize them a lot by giving them larger eyes or humanoid shapes.
But what they're missing here is how if the character is given a reason for the audience/player to relate to them then this distinction slowly evaporates.
To use an example Pinocchio is a wooden puppet and "we don't know what it means to be a wooden puppet" but we do know what it means to be naive and reckless and manipulated by other people. And thus we relate to his quest and his plight. You can actually relate less to a human character if he feels 2 dimensional and less interesting. To follow the writer's Star Wars comparison. The only death in Rogue One that the audience cares about is the droid character because he had the most personality. Everyone else feels 2 dimensional and uninteresting.
892f4a No.15651768
>>15651751
Pinocchio is kind of a bad example because he looks almost exactly human. It's very easy for the audience to forget that he isn't human, save for his constant whining about it.
A better and more modern example might be Wall-E, since it's only vaguely anthropomorphized in the most general sense.
b27c46 No.15651770
>>15651751
good post, and like jungle nigga >>15650653 said up there, its fun to be something youre not in a game. its like they forgot what fun is and they only know how to follow a salesmaking tier list, and apparently the fox of this final destination is bog standard normalcy
63e912 No.15651791
>>15647003
>Old LC a buxom female a la Indiana Jones
New LC is pic related
6f43a1 No.15651792
>>15650413
Imagine being so self absorbed that you would go against the most fundamental goal of life itself because "your children aren't you"
b27c46 No.15651800
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>>15651768
heres another you might like
e3dfeb No.15651837
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>>15651770
>its fun to be something youre not in a game
That's another thing. Often playing as a different kind of character adds a lot of variety. Bioware in that post is indirectly shooting themselves in the foot creatively because they're talking about how they only want to make their most creative characters companions. They want the player character to solely be just a blank slate for the player to live vicariously through and for the other characters to actually drive the story.
But this is actually considered poor storytelling in any other medium aside from video games. Like when you think of really good characters in a movie you think about all of their unique traits that make them stand out. Like Red Letter Media's character test. These characters often have big flaws that drive the plot in some description. Like in the Lord of the Rings Frodo is frequently tempted by the Ring of Power and at the end he succumbs to it and it's only because of Gollum's jealousy that it falls into the volcano Whereas when a main character is just supposed to be a cypher they have to have as few flaws as possible so the illusion isn't broken. There are numerous examples of games that buck this trend and result in really memorable main characters.
Like Max Payne
>Completely driven by revenge to a fanatical extent
>Doesn't care if he lives or dies, even expects to die in his mission
>Doesn't care about the police manhunt that's pursuing him, just sees it as an obstacle in his goal
>when he finally achieves his revenge in the second game he's a depressed wreck who calls a sex line
Garrett from Thief
>does not care about any greater purpose or the politics/history of the world he lives in
>only cares about stealing
>Is basically on the verge of becoming homeless all of the time
>Pursues Constantine's incredibly high risk mission because he's promised a fortune
>almost unleashes an apocalyptic event and has to work with his sworn enemies to prevent it
All making the main character a blank slate who is significantly less interesting than the other characters is it makes the plot reactive instead of proactive. Things just happen to you and you react. It's why if you look at the story of Mass Effect Andromeda it's just a series of events that happen to the main character and the main character just reacts, he never does anything because he wants to or feels particularly motivated to do so. He just does what he's told despite being effectively the leader of the group he's in. It's like the plot is written backwards.
b9a9ea No.15652096
>>15650575
if you want a quick and easy tip to make this easier, never start by imagining "an ordinary dude". It's a fallacy. There is no such thing as a perfectly ordinary person - everyone has some character traits that differentiate him from the others. Some people get angry easily, others are shy, some seem to put on a show with every sentence they say, etc.If you make an average out of them, you'll get your classic blank slate that has absolutely no personality, which the author then tries to supplant by inserting his own. But nobody is actually like that. When writing a new character, just decide on an "archetype" you'll start out with (as simple as "this dude will be an angry brawler" or "this girl will be really shy" etc.) and then flesh them out as you go. Maybe think of a flaw or a specific virtue that you want to define them.
38513a No.15652123
>>15647133
Don't forget about the season pass with no DLCs attached to it. Sorry sorry, I meant to say with all those Delayed™ DLCs.
b4ff90 No.15652230
>>15651791
No because Lester actually develops over the course of the game.
e85654 No.15652306
>>15647358
>Jealously is feelings of inferiority and resentment as a result of someone else's success or perceived advantage over you
Did you even read the post? The whole point is that's NOT what it means.
>A cheating wife doesn't result in jealously, even in "modern" definitions
Are you saying people wouldn't call you jealous for not letting your wife fuck other guys, because holy shit, imagine being this naive. Pretty much any time the word jealous is used, it's used in the same way as "envy", and any time it's used in the context of a relationship, used to make someone feel bad for not wanting an open relationship. (I reckon the main issue, is that jealousy can be interchanged with envy 99% of the time without issue. It changes the meaning, but the sentence still makes grammatical sense).
8ef986 No.15652329
overall physicality is much better, i don't like how the original looks like fucking angelina jolie.
clothing, personality, abilities, etc. are all much worse.
ideal laura would have the face/body of nu-laura with the personality and clothing choice of old laura.
at least she looks white now, heh
>>15647201
flat laura is best laura tbh. fuck cowtits.
7bcb17 No.15652333
Relatability is a meme and drastically overrated. If you can't enjoy a game that has a character that's different from you, then you can't enjoy 99% of games, which fits right into how a SJW thinks. I'm preaching to the choir here, but think of all the videogame characters that you love. Probably almost none of them are like you. I'm sure a lot of them have characteristics that you love and maybe your absolute favorites represent what you'd like to be like.
>Implying I don't want to be like Gene.
7ec11f No.15652366
>>15647003
They're faggots that can't handle a real woman, what's new? It's also why you see hardly any good mecha games anymore. Things of STRONG feminine and masculine nature don't work into their programming. All while they gas off about """strong""" women and whatnot. This big tit bimbo has two simple tricks. She's raiding your tombs and you're just going to have to deal with it.
5b0424 No.15652507
She's not more relatable at all. She's still a one (wo)man army who kills the shit out of everyone, only that now she's whinier and scared all the time. Unrelated to the rest of the thread, but if I hear a suit say badass one more time I'm going to start stabbing people. That word has been raped as hard as the word awesome.
b4ff90 No.15652533
>>15652366
If you replace the word currently touted as strong with "pitiable" then it makes a lot more sense.
4dc629 No.15652568
Never forget that sjw are losers and fucked up, hence they need characters that are failures just like them.
8ef986 No.15652573
>>15652366
i unironically don't understand why laura isn't an SJW hero.
she's like the woman indianna jones.
nothing says "stronk indipendent wymxn" like shooting a raptor in the head and l*terally stealing shit from the ebul colonizers.
b4ff90 No.15652589
>>15652573
Because SJWs didn't make her. That's all this feigned whining was ever about, getting to put your name on shit you didn't even pretend to care about before someone told you to.
1e13ec No.15652591
>>15652568
That description of nuLara actual sounds a very interesting IF the writers of the games actually knew what the Fuck they were doing and made RotTR and SotTR about how Lara is spiraling down into madness over her lust for violence instead of trying their damnedest to make us sympathetic towards he psychotic tendencies.
b4ff90 No.15652601
>>15652591
That would require the writers to get out of their bubbles are actually interact with the poor faggots on the team in charge of the actual game part of the game for a minute.
c0477f No.15652613
>>15652568
I hate the "women have to be armed with bows, firearms are for men" meme. Firearms are about the only weapon women CAN pick up and use proficiently on average due to the almost entire lack of strength required to do so
b4ff90 No.15652644
>>15652613
Yeah but you can't as easily market guns as a trendy workout activity.
71b9a2 No.15652655
>>15649769
Old Kratos wasn't much different from the young one. He just got more patient with time.
Young Kratos was already remorseful, hated his own actions, chose his family over other things and even tried to kill himself several times
He was just marketed as different
71b9a2 No.15652682
>>15652591
Old Lara's personality doesn't strike me as one that came from past traumas, but rather a healthy mental state and rigorous training. She'll never become old Lara because that's not possible. The reboot was a failure from the beginning.
e5ef81 No.15652688
I find Pac-Man to be very relatable, because I like to eat too!
Joking aside, if I want to see "relatable" characters, I'll watch tv or read a book. Even then, it's not the characters that are relatable, but they may have relatable moments. That's a nice bonus (and very, very rare for video games) but it's not the main course. The characters themselves must be well written and/or portrayed for the story to be enjoyable.
1e13ec No.15652689
0becd3 No.15652728
>>15652123
Wait, how does that even work?
b4ff90 No.15652764
>>15652728
That's what a season pass is in general. You're essentially preordering DLC that may or may not exist but in this game's case they cut the price by like a third a month after release, before any of those Schrodinger's DLCs mind you, and it pissed a lot of people and chinks off.
4dc629 No.15652790
>>15652591
>That description of nuLara actual sounds a very interesting IF the writers of the games actually knew what the Fuck they were doing
Yeah the problem is that they don't even have the self awareness they they made such a story.
Old Tomb Raider games were full of puzzles because it was inspired by Indiana Jones and Lara was suppose to be an archeologist, thus the games had long passages without violence.
However that is too complicated for the normalfags of today, so they made Nu Tomb Raider all about "action survival", ignoring that this means instead of solving a riddle to find an ancient artifact Lara just runs around and kills everything.
0becd3 No.15652827
>>15652568
nuLara inspired by AvP?
0becd3 No.15652854
>>15652613
Quite ironic since bows require lots of strength to use, a crossbow would be more suited for a woman.
>>15652764
I heard about the discount but DLCs that aren't on a season pass sounded quite weird, I mean, EA had some of those in their games I think, like the super DX edition of DMC5 with the clothes that only have the base game.
0becd3 No.15652863
>>15652790
That is also weird considering these guys who complain about cLara being "always capable of everything" when her badassery was mostly on cutscenes and the rest was pure gameplay.
341674 No.15652884
>>15647255
Dubs of truth
Im glad the new one sold poorly enough to go on sale so soon after release. Maybe they will learn from their mistakes in character design - or maybe they will blame the toxic fans and move on to ruin some other ip. Either way who cares when the old games are still available.
1e13ec No.15652895
>>15652884
>Either way who cares when the old games are still available.
b4ff90 No.15652916
>>15652854
I don't think I've ever seen a season pass where they flat out tell you what it buys. It's always been based on some vague promise of more DLC that will totally be worth the extra cash.
84e418 No.15652941
>>15647845
More like Disgusting Flat Chest, you sickfuck pedo.
Enjoy your genetically inferior grills.
Pettan Pedos pls go
4dc629 No.15653282
>>15652827
>nuLara inspired by AvP?
The main character of the first AvP(2004) movie is a strong womyn of African descent, she is an expert mountain climber and commonly leads expeditions into Antarctica. Her main weapons are a climbing hook and a pistol.
Hanna(2011) is a action adventure thriller about a 15 year old girl, who lives in Finland and gets trained by an Ex CIA agent to be an assassin. Her main weapons throughout the movie are a pistol and a bow.
The Descent(2005) is about a group of female cave explorers, who get confined into a cave system and stumble into a pack of cannibalistic mutants. They defend themselves with climbing hooks.
Blend these three together and you not only get Nu Lara, but also the Art direction of the Game and Story points.
b4ff90 No.15653292
>>15653282
As well as the cultural relevance!
9dfd67 No.15653407
>>15653282
Don't forget the cunt from Hunger Games.
d402b8 No.15653445
>>15652895
Man, did the TwinPerfect guys stop making content or something? Their reviews were spot on.
1e13ec No.15653486
>>15653282
After watching the trailer for AVP and The Descent, and remembering my viewing of Hanna, I'd say that the nuTomb Raider trilogy is just fanfiction of The Descent and nothing else. However, after actually reading the synopsis of both it and it's sequel, it looks like the writers didn't want to cover the part about how everyone died.
71b9a2 No.15653551
>>15653445
They did. They ran out of SH material.
Also everybody started hating on them because they're not wimps and stated the facts without sugar coating anything.
Cuckchan hates them, a bunch of people here hate them as well. They're sadly over.
71b9a2 No.15653568
>>15649719
>>15649918
You would be correct. I'm not talking about opinions at all.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/jealous
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/jealousy
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/jealousy
They all agree on the "resentment towards someone with a perceived advantage". Under that definition, cheating wives don't apply.
Given that "zealous" doesn't have a negative connotation, I don't see how his argument holds water.
c7dbd0 No.15653883
>>15647003
>it's relatable
laugh at his face for spouting such a cliched buzzword
and while you do remind him of old Lara's achivements
>survive freezing cold in shorts and a tank top like it was nothing
>jumps several times her height and pushes blocks that likelly weight tons
>dualwield Raptors and T-rexes in their faces while ninja jumping around
>uses elevators as counterweights to to climb buildings
>fights mutants, monsters, yetis, mafias, militars, undeads, a fire breathing dragon, a kraken, a leviathan and whatever gets in her way
>knows several languages and martial arts styles aside from being an archeologist and olympic level acrobat
>dived to the bottom of the sea with no oxigen tank
>can swich from adventurer to feme fatale mode on the fly
>has wielded mjorlin and excaliburg
old is like Batman, James Bond, Indiana Jhones and Big Boss all stuffed into a nice pair of D cups and nu Lara will never be as fun as the original
9dfd67 No.15653931
>>15653883
What is truly amazing is the cognitive dissonance at play with liberals. They've bitched about old Lara for almost two decades, saying how demeaning and objectifying to women she was, and when they are given the chance to reinvent Lara to be more "respectful" to the walking onaholes what do they end up shitting out?
A boring, unremarkable bitch that oscillates between whining and crying, asking daddy what she's supposed to do and being a mass murdering sociopath, on top of the creepy guro fetish you can tell many on the team enjoy going by the death animations.
How is nuLara that spends all the time whining and crying a better representative of the female gender than old Lara? I mean, I do agree she's a more realistic of the vapid, soulless, amoral creature women are, but it's kind of pathetic they don't seem to realize this.
c7dbd0 No.15653983
>>15652333
trips of truth
>your absolute favorite vidya characters represent what you'd like to be like
>mfw i will never dragon kick punks, thughs and hodlums into the milkyway
f3128f No.15654001
>Relatability
My favourite game character is M-Bison. Am I a psychopath?
b4ff90 No.15654019
f3128f No.15654043
>>15654019
>Anon gets the correct answer first time.
f4a1eb No.15654052
COVAH UP BUTTAH CUP
YEW CAHN'T BE SHEWIN YOOR BEWBS WITOUT A LOICENSE
f3128f No.15654066
>>15654052
DOA6 is looking good.
b27c46 No.15654074
>>15654052
i always wanted to marry a ninja princess
0becd3 No.15654163
>>15653551
They are usually focusing on making bigger videos with less frequency, they tried a monthly recap of stuff but didn't quite work and delayed other stuff they planned, not to mention Fungo's gf kind of messed things up but also exposed his worst traits so they went their separate ways.
0becd3 No.15654186
>>15653883
>survive freezing cold in shorts and a tank top like it was nothing
>jumps several times her height and pushes blocks that likelly weight tons
>dualwield Raptors and T-rexes in their faces while ninja jumping around
>uses elevators as counterweights to to climb buildings
>fights mutants, monsters, yetis, mafias, militars, undeads, a fire breathing dragon, a kraken, a leviathan and whatever gets in her way
>knows several languages and martial arts styles aside from being an archeologist and olympic level acrobat
>dived to the bottom of the sea with no oxigen tank
>can swich from adventurer to feme fatale mode on the fly
>has wielded mjorlin and excaliburg
Sadly I think that's what the guy thinks is a negative because cLara can do all those which somehow makes her hard or impossible to relate to, that is, she is "good at everything."
c7dbd0 No.15654231
>>15654186
>hard or impossible to relate to
i'm a fat ugly mustached italian bastard in blue overals who has to dig through shit in the sewers to get a coin and i spent my free time burning flowers and eating shrooms while i have vivid hallucinations about rescuing barby from gamera
but i've never felt "related" to mario
faad0e No.15654353
>>15654186
When all these non-gamers talk about how characters need to be relatable, they have no evidence. if you look back throughout gaming history, the characters that are least relatable are the most popular.
Mario, Sonic, Yoshi, Pac-Man, Master Chief, Link, Ryu, Donkey Kong, Solid Snake, Mega Man, Samus, Lara Croft, Pikachu, etc. All of these are extremely popular characters, and none of them are "relatable".
I even would argue the more relatable characters are the ones that end up forgotten.
0becd3 No.15654358
>>15654353
And then someone said "b-b-b-b-b-but Ellie grows on you and you end up caring for her!"
183405 No.15654468
>>15653551
>>15653445
>being this much of a TP apologist.
They dumped fungo, stole his ideas, took credit for everything he did, shit talked him backhandedly, kept censoring criticism on the forums, acted like total asshats and then deleted their comments when someone pointed out how their single universe theory fell after any sort of scrutiny, and sperged out against Tomm Hulett even though he was literally apologizing while Fungo could have an actual reasonable discussion with him.
The asshole act only works when it's an act.
b4ff90 No.15654496
>>15654353
When some says they relate to a character's struggles I think it's just shorthand for "there's not much story baggage here on the protagonist's end so i'm spending more time getting mad at my own fuck ups in the game rather than the character's fuckups in the story". I've seen a billion people cite Link and Mario as relatable for example but that was mostly in jest considering all the bullshit they have to go through for no more than a peck on the cheek.
71b9a2 No.15654591
>>15652306
>The whole point is that's NOT what it means.
His point is that its not what it means as opposed to people believing it is.
Judging by the dictionary, I'm not seeing many people believing that's what it is.
>Are you saying people wouldn't call you jealous for not letting your wife fuck other guys
I guess it depends on where you live, but no, where I live not a lot of people would say that. I don't know what matriarchy feminist shithole you live in where that's the norm.
109c32 No.15654615
>>15647133
>>Nu-Lara is so fucking relatable that she never undertakes any permanent character growth that stays with her in between the games
This is what bothers me the most. I was more or less fine with the first game with nu-Lara as I saw it as an origin story where we could see that Lara wasn't always so badass and she was initially far more vulnerable. This weakness being continued past that game was unacceptable though.
d61be7 No.15655322
>>15652895
What's the title of the second video. I keep seeing that clip posted but never the full video.
0becd3 No.15655380
>>15655322
I think is something about the FFVII remake.
67a366 No.15655582
Lara Croft was always to have two things: Huge Knockers, and Angie's face.
Neither does the NuAids have, so… dead franchise.
Btw, that game was always shit.
7e8252 No.15655666
>>15652941
>Flat isn't justice
Nice try retard, but we all know that's not true.
40ac34 No.15655711
>>15647845
>>15655666
>flat chest is good
Not for 3D. Actual flat chested women are gross.
7e8252 No.15655731
76ada4 No.15655791
>>15647003
> how "relatable" is relatable at all?
Just some stupid marketeer UNPROVEN theory that been like for like 50 years and they still doing it.
This is the most example with transformers cartoons: Fans loves the transformers and hates their human sidekick which is usual a uninteresting kid characters because they are annoying like parasite for their favorite characters.
66c272 No.15655805
>>15654615
What really brothers me is that they didn't use the original origin story as a template.
>Lara Croft, daughter of Lord Henshingly Croft, was raised to be an aristocrat from birth.
>After attending finishing school at the age of 21, Lara's marriage into wealth has seem assured, but on her way home from a skiing trip her chartered plane had crashed deep in the heart of the Himalayas.
>The only survivor, Lara learned how to depend on her wits to stay alive in hostile conditions a world away from her sheltered upbringing. 2 weeks later, when she walked into the village of Tokakeriby her experience had had a profound effect on her.
>Unable to stand the claustrophobic suffocating atmosphere of upper-class British society, she realised that she was only truly alive when she was travelling alone.
>Over the 8 following years she acquired an intimate knowledge of ancient civilisations across the globe.
>Her family disowned their prodigal daughter, and she turned to writing to fund her trips. Famed for discovering several ancient sites of profound archaeological interest she made a name for herself by publishing travel books and detailed journals of her exploits.
>Tomb Raider I booklet, page 1
2feeac No.15655828
>>15652573
feminists dont want a female version of indiana jones
they want to see their own sick desires normalized
they want a game where you play as lorena bobbit
why do you think girl with the dragon tattoo was so popular?
feminists would die to play as that character
40ac34 No.15655830
>>15655791
It is an excuse. Flat chested women are not relatable. A person only has to walk into public to notice that the majority of women have boobs. Current average breast size is a C cup. It is DD in the US. Women have to starve themselves or have a genetic issue to be an A cup.
78c6ee No.15660071
>>15647195
>Why does she need to be relatable?
Because they are insecure about themselves and want the world around them to correct this.
b4ff90 No.15660082
>>15655830
>Flat chested women are not relatable.
As a surf board of radical colors I find this offensive.