d7618f No.15646950
Never played Neverwinter Nights, is it worth it?
What are some other good ARPGS like diablo1/2 or TQ?
8ddf2a No.15646961
>>15646950
>is it worth it?
The expansion packs are worth playing, not the original campaign. User made modules can be pretty great, so check them out.
453291 No.15646963
>>15646950
>Never played Neverwinter Nights, is it worth it?
For starters it isn't like diablo or TQ
Although yes, its worth a play.
147b0f No.15646966
NVN is not an action RPG.
It uses ADND combat system, similar to Baldur's Gate and KOTOR.
8ddf2a No.15646983
>>15646966
I'm pretty sure it was an attempt at getting the Diablo audience, or maybe I misremember and that was Icewind Dale. I'm pretty sure one of these games literally got made to capitalise on the Diablo craze at the time.
6e96cd No.15646995
>>15646983
You're thinking of Icewind Dale.
8e2385 No.15647010
>>15646983
>>15646995
I've never heard anything like that. It's all Baldur's Gate clones, with NWN being an attempt at making a D&D adventure toolset for the PC with a barebones campaign.
>>15646950
Divine Divinity is a decent ARPG.
8ddf2a No.15647014
>>15646995
Oh yeah, but still, NWN was a step towards Diablo 2 with the singular PC, a companion that was not directly controllable, the focus on multiplayer and so forth.
8c5869 No.15647043
Try Sacred. It's not as good as Diablo, but I enjoyed it when I was a kid.
3d0ef0 No.15647052
Not a diablolike but Gothic 2 is regardless the best ARPG ever made, bar none.
453291 No.15647118
>>15647052
>tfw you had more fun in dark messiah
even if its subpar in almost every other way, the combat in dark messiah was more fun, if a bit lacking
Gothic 2 was nice, but i found the combat to be a bit clunky, even if that's just likely a result of the times
dc00b8 No.15647122
>>15646950
>What are some other good ARPGS like diablo1/2 or TQ?
Torchlight 2.
4cbf80 No.15647208
>>15647014
>Oh yeah, but still, NWN was a step towards Diablo 2 with the singular PC, a companion that was not directly controllable, the focus on multiplayer and so forth.
You realize Neverwinter Nights was the first MMO, right? If anything was capitalizing on anything with multiplayer and so forth it was everything else that came after 1991. The new NWN was what this anon said: >>15647010
>a D&D adventure toolset for the PC with a barebones campaign
b9d365 No.15647276
>>15646983
Are you thinking of Nox?
545b6b No.15647284
>>15647052
>find the most obscure unknown trash RPG you can
>praise it hoping no one will actually play it and call you out on your bullshit
Gothic 2 was the shittiest game. It had awful gameplay and artificial difficulty up the ass and that's on top of awful controls. You're better off playing anything, even something memey like dark souls.
1ce9ca No.15647306
>>15647284
>Gothic 2
>obscure
Oh, you 3rd World USAsians.
f2c622 No.15647325
3d0ef0 No.15647326
>>15647284
>gothic
>obscure
wew lad
is anything other than diablo and elder scrolls obscure to you? you really sound like a retard who doesn't play RPGs too often.
24412d No.15647343
Play The Prophet module series. It has the best story in any RPG ever.
The game's main campaign is a shitty hack'n slash though, not worth touching.
545b6b No.15647351
>>15647326
i play rpgs that are good, not steaming eurojanky piles of shit with clunky controls
>>15647325
sorry i dont speak turk-nigger
545b6b No.15647397
>>15647370
>projecting or not knowing what butthurt means
nostalgia cucks are the worst
3d0ef0 No.15647402
>>15647397
>nostalgia
>implying
mate i played gothic 1 and 2 for the first time this year
4b0b42 No.15647408
>not knowing Gothic
wew, fucking off yourself
bb1f12 No.15650127
>>15647397
Mate, you are trying way too hard.
f0cb01 No.15650270
I play with this one often
4c923f No.15650793
Play SOTU+HOTU, they are meant to be played back to back, you can port your character between them. Ignore the original campaign.
c99484 No.15660527
>>15646950
>Never played Neverwinter Nights, is it worth it?
Yes, but pirate the Diamond Edition. Don't give Beamdog money. Also, like others have said, it's not an action RPG like Diablo.
>What are some other good ARPGS like diablo1/2 or TQ?
Torchlight and Sacred.
>>15646966
But they made the monumentally stupid decision of only letting you directly control your PC, instead of having full party control like all the D&D games before it.
>>15647343
>Play The Prophet module series. It has the best story in any RPG ever.
No it doesn't. Not unless you're a Cardassian and consider endless repetition to be the height of narrative excellence.
Here, I'm going to spoil the entire plot of Prophet:
>Oh no! I just had a vision of some terrible shit happening! I have to go stop it!
>Oh no! In my attempt to stop the terrible shit from happening, I inadvertently CAUSED the terrible shit to happen!
>Repeat
b82360 No.15660529
>>15646961
Why do people keep saying to ignore the original campaign? It's perfectly fine.
8ddf2a No.15660534
>>15647284
>the one anon who never gut guud
8ddf2a No.15660553
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>>15660529
It's the dullest and most shallow stuff out there. Everything from the story to the encounters and just general design of things is awful and it goes on for what feels like forever. Playing it felt like pure MMO grinding.
Maybe, just maybe, it's tolerable if you play it co-op with a friend or two that are funny to hang out with but otherwise it's just not worth it. It's not buggy nor is it as offensively agenda pushing as Bioware's later titles but even so the actual content is worse than mediocre.
507ce3 No.15660574
>>15646950
NWN is worth it, but you need to know what you're getting into.
It isn't an ARPG by any means. Everything is turn-based.
That said, it's a toolkit that just happened to have a bland campaign attached to it. Listen to this dude: >>15646961
Get A Dance With Rogues, that's only campaign you'll need.
dbedae No.15660608
>>15660574
>Get A Dance With Rogues, that's only campaign you'll need.
It's such a shame part 2 remains unfinished, if only it had the polish of that first part.
2ce3c1 No.15660624
>>15660529
Imagine the most cliche possible fantasy story you can imagine, slap some DnD paint on it, then re-imagine that you're being walked through a theme park version of that whole story. There are exactly 3 things from the campaign that's worth anything and one of them is just to understand what's going on with some characters for another expansion, the second one is the shadowy spooky forest side quest, and the last one is only a surprise if you've never actually played or read and DnD books so your entire view of DnD is a misconception.
74f52e No.15660649
>>15660529
It was good for showcasing the capabilities of the engine and what players could do with the toolset.
As a story and campaign it was relatively uninspired. There are always 4 things to get and always 4 places to go to get them.
ffe74f No.15660711
What are some good custom campaings for NWN2?
Played the OC, MotB both pretty good and just started SoZ the lack of real companions is annoying
e67de3 No.15660718
>ARPG
Anon, that's a fucking D&D CRPG in the vein of Baldur's Gate.
59f120 No.15660726
>>15646966
It's actually either 3e or 3.5e.
e67de3 No.15660727
Also, if you want an actual ARPG that is party-based, has challenging encounters and still makes most modern RPGs look like a joke in terms of user interface, look no further than pic related
e67de3 No.15660729
>>15660726
It's a slightly simplified version of 3rd, 3.5e had a number of changes that weren't in I believe.
c99484 No.15660730
>>15660726
It's 3e. NWN2 uses 3.5.
dbedae No.15660838
>>15660711
Try Mysteries of Westgate.
32a233 No.15660920
>>15646950
If you're into lewds, some erotic novelists have written campaigns for NWN
https://8ch.net/hgg/res/131686.html
c99484 No.15660941
>>15660920
If you download the 14GB pack in that thread's OP and add it to a full, non-pirated installation of NWN, will it still have all the technical problems like having to save twice?
01b143 No.15660942
>>15660920
>being so new that you are unable to even crosslink between boards properly
sasuga newfag
>>>/hgg/131686
that's why >>>/test/ exists
8ddf2a No.15661975
>>15660941
Probably not. Just transfer the folders used for custom content and nothing else and it should be fine. Haven't downloaded the file though.
669061 No.15662292
>>15660727
Thanks a lot, i was looking for this but could not remember the name
8e2385 No.15662400
>>15660727
I still can't believe people like this game, including that moron Ross, it was a joke to me at the time as a game that actually plays itself for you. Progress Quest for real.
0f6265 No.15662407
>>15660727
This game is boring as fuck tbh.
056c08 No.15662436
You can get cool spells on NWN.
I liked OC just to test my build. Ended up having the end boss use all of its spells then trying to melee me to death, that was pretty funny.
c99484 No.15664596
>>15662436
I love that spell. Magic missiles everywhere.
93527b No.15665956
>>15664596
That's not magic missiles, jackass. One's level one spell and the other level 6 multitargeting barrage of reaming and pisspoor balance.
608f5e No.15666053
>>15662436
And as usual, most of the spells are broken, maximized greater missile storm is the best boss slayer
c99484 No.15666113
>>15665956
>That's not magic missiles, jackass.
Yes it is, dickhead. It's a storm of magic missiles, hence the name Greater Missile Storm.
d24c8c No.15666116
>>15646950
Xanadu Next, it's on Steam and GOG
59f120 No.15666159
So for someone who hasn't really played NWN/NWN2 can I get a list of modules I should play? All I know is apparently the NWN default module is garbage.
Also, I'd like to play some sort of mystic knight or some shit where you do damage mainly in melee, but have a lot of buff spells.
13f21a No.15666164
>>15647306
>>15647325
>>15647326
>>15660534
To be fair, the shit controls are no excuse and ruin the game
c99484 No.15666215
>>15666159
For NWN1, I highly recommend Tales of Arterra and Aielund Saga. I don't really know of any good NWN2 modules, because I'm not really a fan of NWN2 in general.
59f120 No.15666272
>>15666215
Thanks, I'll check them out.
056c08 No.15666356
>>15666159
Swordflight is GOAT.
Also if you want a gish (fighter mage) there are many good ones. That one I posted before is a Fighter/Weapon Master/Wizard. Same ab as a warrior full mage spells and armoured casting pretty good.
c99484 No.15666389
>>15666272
The Bastard of Kosigan series might be worth a try as well, but it's pretty infamous for bugging out in the second module and crashing whenever you try to load a save. Some people say it works fine, though, so maybe you'll get lucky. I thought the story was really good, but unfortunately, I'm one of the people it bugs out for, so I had to leave it unfinished.
878693 No.15666890
>>15666356
What's the actual build? I doubt you have enough spell levels to actually pierce Spell Resistance when it matters.
056c08 No.15666977
>>15666890
It is my secret build…. But I'll let you think about it 40AB with plain unbuffed weapon of your choice and it beats 32SR 95% of the time. Also cannot be dispelled only with mords.
I don't want to post it because the saves are very low and it will lose to the superior Pal/RDD/Sorc every time maybe.
878693 No.15667797
>>15666977
Problem is, Fighter/Weapon Master means you almost certainly took 7 WM to grab the crit upgrade. You probably took 1 fighter for weapon + armour prof or 4 fighter for 2 feats and BAB.
Taking any level of wizard means you lose at least 1 BAB and you didn't take any levels of eldritch knight and insead chose WM which leaves you with at worst: 29 Wizard/4 Fighter/7 WM leaving you with only 29 spell levels. Best case scenario you are 32 W/1 F/7 WM. If you took practiced caster feat that boosts it up to 33 or 36 spell levels. I assume you also took epic spell penetration which gives you an effective caster level of 39 or 42 when piercing spell resistance. This is assuming you were trying to maximize spell usage.
On the other hand, you said that you can pierce SR 32 95% of the time which means you have a CL of 30 including PC feat and ESP. Leaving you with 20 Wizard levels. This gives you a build that's probably 13 Fighter/7 Weapon Master/20 Wizard.
d81cbc No.15672118
>>15660727
There's a mod that allows you to use play Ultima IV in Dungeon Siege. Fun as fuck.
056c08 No.15672177
>>15667797
You need at least 24 caster level to stop yourself being greater dispelled.
But yeah you're pretty close. I took 2 fighter levels post epic for discipline dumps and epic weapon specialization/Focus.
Compared to a full CL caster you're not going to have super strong uncapped caster scaling spells like damage shields. Still good enough though. This is a level 40 warrior that is killing himself hitting me.
878693 No.15672262
>>15672177
You could have gotten 24 CLs with 20 Wizard and a practiced caster feat, which pushes your CL to 24.
You should have taken the fighter and WM levels during the first 20 levels, since your BAB at level 20 determines how many iterative attacks you get at epic levels. Doing so would also have improved your fort and ref saves at the expense of your will save due to how epic levels change the save progression.
Is your will save the one you're having trouble with?
056c08 No.15672324
>>15672262
>practiced caster
I'm not using PRC so I don't have that just the base feats. That said four free caster levels would always be being picked up.
I might give it a go though some of these look good.
878693 No.15672335
>>15672324
I personally love the PRC, if only because Epic spells are done properly and not as seperate feats.
My build is a Bard/Sublime Chord/Blackguard. Try and guess the order of classes and what feats I probably picked.
056c08 No.15672416
>>15672335
Bard into BG pre-epic for AB and Sublime chord after.
For feats extend song and rapier weapon feats?
878693 No.15672423
>>15672416
Think harder, what does everyone use Cha characters for.
4eb269 No.15672425
>>15646950
Any way to play this LAN multiplayer without having valid cd keys?
878693 No.15672428
>>15672416
You're right about the classes btw, just not the feats.
056c08 No.15672454
>>15672423
>>15672428
>what does everyone use Cha characters for
Blaster caster with good saves? I don't even know what bards really do well.
878693 No.15672466
>>15672454
Divine might and Divine Shield, if you see a Charisma character with Turn undead, it's guaranteed they are picking up one of those two feats.
Bards are the best debuffer thanks to Curse Song being almost unblockable and because it lowers saves which means more debuffs.
It gets worse in NWN 2 where bards are also the best damage dealer and healer too.
056c08 No.15672480
>>15672466
What sort of build do you use for bard to be the best dps and healer? I've only played with some of the common powerbuilds on NWN2.
878693 No.15672488
>>15672480
2 feats, Song of Requiem and Hymn of Requiem. It uses a single song to do damage for 10 turns based on your perform skill. The damage is unblockable except for damage resistance, the damage is done in an AoE around the Bard and when you pick up the second feat the song heals you and your party too. For 10 rounds.
Average damage per song round is 60, average healing is 30. Which results in 600 damage and 300 healing per song use.
This is just the result of 2 feats, then you bring in Inspirations which makes you a better fighter than a buffed melee cleric. Then you bring in Divine Might and Shield for even more Cha cheesing. Then you take into account how many skill points Bards get. Add in either Dragon disciple or Blackguard for more melee power.
Built correctly, a bard is a jack of all trade and the master of many.
7101fb No.15672598
>>15666113
The only dickhead in this conversation is the one your father used to suckle your dumb ass with. Magic missiles do 1d4+1(x5) and there's so, so, so many different ways to nullify them. Magic shield, magic immunity +2 and more artifacts then reasonable for what's objectively a decent if nothing special low level spell.
Isaac's greater missile storm on the other hand is mary sue tier roided out spell that's supposed to rank and file with classics like the lightning bolt and the fireball. Except it trumps the ever loving fuck out of them and almost everything else in the game. We're talking 2(3)d6x20 with no friendly fire risk, pure magic damage, smart targeting so it's great in almost any situation. You can maximize the bitch so it's even better then most r9 spells. There's also no fucking saving throw apart from the standard spell resistance, so the goddamn thing can outdamage even the r10 epic Hellball on the account of the 1/2 reflex save it has.
In short, one's 5-20(6-25) reasonable level one spell and the other 240(360!) expansion pack broken shit that's preB& on just about any server worth their salt.
>>15672480
>>15672488
>Add in Dragon disciple
This, really. Although I'd suggest taking more paladin levels then anything else.
>really high base strength
>high HP pool
>full attack bonus
>spellcraft and divine grace
>immunity to fire
BG's something I'd save for slasher rogues.
03f520 No.15672703
>>15650270
Divine Divinity got a bad rep for being a Diablo clone when it's actually a proper RPG with action combat. Silly name and odd perspective didn't help.
03f520 No.15672719
c99484 No.15673641
>>15672703
>odd perspective
What do you mean? It looks like a standard isometric view in that pic.
9d69eb No.15674027
>>15673641
Something is off about the point of view.
>>15672703
Sure, it's an RPG similar to Baldur's Gate or Fallout 2, but the sheer amount of enemies in this one causes combat to take about 95% of gameplay, wherever you go there are swarms of enemies at every step, so you can't really debunk the Diablo clone rep.
c89184 No.15674388
>>15650793
The original campign is still better then modern bioware games.
03f520 No.15674420
>>15673641
That's not at all isometric, though. If I remember correctly that's an oblique perspective. Basically, the angle is wrong. Watch a gameplay video and compare it to something like Baldur's Gate or such.
19a912 No.15676450
>>15675079
Have a nice weekend yourself and thanks for the all that dolphin porn
59f120 No.15682987
>>15666215
Hoh boy
Really enjoying Tales thus far, but I got stuck for a bit so I read the walkthrough.
>b. Edge of the Forest There is a cave to the north where three trolls lie. Make sure you have ample fire and/or acid. In the upper level of the cave, you'll find Lorien. Wear the Helm of True Sight you got from Ezros' lair to dispel the magic hiding the path to Anfang forest (where the two trees and two large boulders lie on the southern side of the map).
I'm sure glad they made that hinted at that.
59f120 No.15683001
>>15682987
Just went there to get it and I realize I'm a fucking retard.
It's on a desk next to a journal that says the helmet will get past the illusion guarding the castle, and the desk is GLOWING AND FUCKING TINKLING LOUDLY holy shit I feel dumb.
2e1ee6 No.15683218
>>15662400
But Neverwinter Nights melee plays almost exactly the same as Dungeon Siege? Like if you're Fighter what you'll be doing for virtually several levels is just watching your guy move around and attack the target with zero input on your part. Until you can do more then a combat roll you'll just combat roll to break the monotony.
5574d5 No.15683463
>>15683218
Are you sick in the head, shitposting or plain dumb?
32a233 No.15683702
bc8f6c No.15685058
>>15647043
Sacred Gold is phenomenal
f275b6 No.15685181
>>15683702
2 years minimum probably.
ec6d3f No.15687392
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>15647043
i only got into sacred because of blind guardian tbh, the song is so comfy
c99484 No.15687447
>>15683001
You can also press Tab to highlight all on-screen objects you can interact with, if you didn't know.
2e1ee6 No.15687938
>>15683463
Have you ever tried playing a dedicated Fighter in NVN1? I made that mistake when I first started out. You don't click anything besides attack one time, you don't do anything, you literally just sit there and watch as the game plays itself while hovering over potions and maybe using what little ability you're allowed in a Fighter build.
e32198 No.15688338
Grim Dawn.
Only Grim Dawn.
Warder class master race.
e35c89 No.15688378
I just finished Kult: Heretic Kingdoms, and liked it pretty much… There was 0 challange whatsoever though, it was more like a powertirp where nothing can kill you
453291 No.15688704
>>15687392
I really like some of Blind Guardians songs
There are some i don't particularly like, but most of them i do
>>15688338
Waiting for the next expansion that will give a class that makes tanks even more OP
Its kind of unfair for all other classes
>>15688378
Are there any higher difficulties?
ff1558 No.15688713
>>15647370
>Game is all about making you special as [Todd's] never felt this in real life
https://twitter.com/mrfeelswildride/status/1054608642119352320
69b38f No.15688761
>>15646950
>ARPG
>putting Neverwinter Nights in the same category as Diablo
Nigga, what?
d93896 No.15688855
>>15688761
this is /v/ now
453291 No.15688863
>>15688855
those trip dubs don't lie
0796da No.15689089
>>15687938
>you don't do anything
shows how casual you are, you spam knockdown once you get it on most enemies
0796da No.15689107
>>15662407
>>15662400
The encounters are challenging and more dynamic than anything you'll see in Diablo and you can fully customize an entire party. I like Diablo too, but for different reasons. You probably didn't get past the first chapter.
98b08d No.15689397
>>15683075
Why are Koreans so good at making tittysluts?
86c62f No.15689425
>>15683075
Koreans saving MMOs as always.
e1c36e No.15690348
>>15689089
>shows how casual you are
I played this game over a decade ago and it was a Fighter going in blind, I don't play DnD and didn't read any of it's books then. I got a helm which nullified all mental effects so I only ever had to use knockdown for spellcasters who'd cast damaging spells. That doesn't change the fact that basic melee strikes is completely automated.