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File: facbc85473364f6⋯.png (179.41 KB, 915x544, 915:544, valve btfo by emus.PNG)

af2e2c  No.15633085

Valve has posted a notice to Australian users on Steam informing them that the ACCC (Australian Competition and Consumer Commission) found Valve violated rights to refunds for products that didn't work and were not satisfactory or misleadingly advertised.

After all the shit we put up with from our government it's nice to have a win for a change.

d60d57  No.15633113

so from now on all aussies can buy any game play it to their hearts content then say "it didn't fulfill my expectations" and get their shekels back?


af2e2c  No.15633119

>>15633113

Pretty much. EB Games has the same deal here, seven day return if you don't like it on new games, fourteen days for pre-owned.


d8e127  No.15633128

>>15633119

>EB games no longer has ps3 titles for sale

I was going to rip a bunch of console-exclusive games without losing money


e5360d  No.15633145

>>15633113

I was about to wonder what this was suppose to mean when Valve already has a policy when it comes to returning games, but I guess this makes sense.

Australians are still screwed because games over there cost more than the GDP of a small African nation.


7c3e51  No.15633148

>>15633119

do australians think people are obligated to sell their games to them? you're not going to win shit, bruce lee. if people exploit this except companies to stop selling to them through steam


af2e2c  No.15633149

>>15633128

Some stores do still have pre-owned PS3 games, but it's a very small section and getting smaller.

>>15633145

>Australians are still screwed because games over there cost more than the GDP of a small African nation.

Still cheaper to buy games here than in Britbongistan.


af2e2c  No.15633157

>>15633148

>do australians think people are obligated to sell their games to them?

Nope, but our own government advisory body basically came out with an official report and said geo-blocking is bullshit and use a VPN to get around it and buy your stuff cheaper instead of paying the increased prices charged to Australians for the same product.

So even if companies do stop selling to Australia, we're still gonna get it anyway, either buying it through a VPN or just pirating the fucking thing.

And AFAIK Australia is actually a pretty high consumer of vidya per capita, it's just that our total population is small (the whole country has fewer people than LA).

And despite EB's returns policy it is the Australian branch that survived the best during the GEC, probably because people knew they could spend money without getting fucked over, knowing they could return it if they didn't like it, which made them more likely to spend and actually increased revenue.


e3e233  No.15633171

>>15633085

>safe, durable and free of defects

any game with bugs violates Aussie law. Beth btfo

>acceptable in appearanc and finish

nu-polygons and similar indie shit BTFO, as is any game with cut content

>fit for all the purposes for which video games are commonly supplied

Video games are for fun. Shit games are not fun. Therefore, if a game is shit, it breaks Aussie law. Gaming industry BTFO


7c3e51  No.15633174

>>15633157

so australia really is run by china then. shame we're going to have to nuke you eventually


e3e233  No.15633179

>>15633174

stay mad, kike


fdb77a  No.15633187

Now only if they can slam sony microsoft and nintendo the same way.


3195e2  No.15633206

>>15633157

>our total population is small (the whole country has fewer people than LA)

That's just plain wrong

Ausfalia has around 25 MiL pop while LA has 4 Mil.

Greater LA has around 19 Mil


6b58ea  No.15633236

>>15633148

American corporate cocksuckers never cease to amaze me


957c9c  No.15633243

>>15633085

Proof that law > eulas


af2e2c  No.15633246

>>15633206

>Greater LA has around 19 Mil

Not counting "diversity dreamers". How many democrat voters illegal immigrants do you think are in LA?

>>15633236

> American corporate cocksuckers

That's a lot of letters to say "jew".

And these people are on /v/ of all places, where the word buy is spoilered to avoid triggering.


06e937  No.15633251

File: f74c36c62878425⋯.jpg (25.96 KB, 600x581, 600:581, A Marketeer who stands his….jpg)

>>15633246

>buy is spoilered


27c0b6  No.15633255

>>15633128

I don't believe that, and if it's actually true it'll be shop-dependent. It was only a month or so ago I've been able to find the odd Vita game.


d358fb  No.15633286

>>15633273

If I were you, I wouldn't call anyone subhuman until I learned how to write properly.


bc3f79  No.15633290

Yeah this was really bizarre. When it happened two fucking years ago. What the fuck is going on here have I fallen for some elaborate ruse?


c6a5cf  No.15633293

File: 09be2fa88839d01⋯.png (199.57 KB, 582x458, 291:229, 09be2fa88839d01dd3ee4a6161….png)

>>15633273

Yer nah cunt, chill the fuck out. Sounds like someone couldn't handle the banter and now's a bit booty bothered.

An Aussie piss in your beer faggot?


af2e2c  No.15633295

>>15633290

This is a new statement that goes beyond the standard Steam refund policy of "two hours gameplay time or less" and covers a wider range of bullshit devs and publishers pull.


a4b93c  No.15633299

>>15633187

This

>>15633174

>>15633273

Did you two get a little sore down under?


7d981c  No.15633301

>>15633295

This was a while ago, Aussies have had a 14 day refund policy from steam for a year or so.


bc3f79  No.15633305

>>15633295

This is the notice that caused the two hour policy to be brought in.


d0cfef  No.15633312

Aussies aren't people.

You monkeys shouldn't even be allowed into the internet.


939de2  No.15633343

>>15633312

t. Never played with peruvians

Peru should be nuked along with Brazil


d3e30c  No.15633367

Why don't they make the PSN store do that because once you hit download you are not entitled a refund anymore. Its actually worse than steam.


b1c0a9  No.15633378

File: f6e13145bb981c8⋯.jpg (37.19 KB, 700x467, 700:467, 8196982-3x2-700x467.jpg)

>>15633312

Look, just face it. Australians are true modern day freedom fighters and rebels. They fight for freedom every day of their lives. The most prominent anti internet centralisation groups are of Australian origin. Indepedent & International consumer rights groups? You better believe those are Australian.

Basically Australia is trying to free the world and you are just fucking stupid


fdb77a  No.15633389

>>15633367

Because aussies dont realize they could probably do the same. Same with every other online storefront dammit.


171bd7  No.15633457

File: 423205234a8e292⋯.jpg (127.38 KB, 715x848, 715:848, Average Australian Shitpos….jpg)

>>15633378

>Basically Australia is trying to free the world and you are just fucking stupid

You do realize the Australian government sells out the rights of its citizens all the time and abandoned Julian, right?


5ae7a1  No.15633467

>>15633085

> March 2016

I'm being retarded, but why are we talking about this now?

Unless you're saying Valve only just put up a notice about it today because they were arguing against the decision?


f4f2f5  No.15633555

>>15633157

If you buy through a VPN to access a different countries storefront then you wouldn't be entitled to a refund either though.


762e03  No.15633638

File: bf4dcf6553cbbf0⋯.jpg (124.15 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, niggerbux.jpg)

>>15633145

>cost more than the GDP of a small African nation

Come on, they cost more than that. Don't give Zimbabwe any more ideas.


0756ec  No.15633805

>>15633113

It's the fault of the devs if they're making games a person can play to their heart's content within only a week.


c6a5cf  No.15633829

>>15633457

>The Australian government is the Australian people

A government is not the nation. A government is that which controls a nation.


0756ec  No.15633832

>>15633829

Tell that to Tom Hobbes.


ff2cda  No.15633862

Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>15633085

>You are entitled to a replacement or refund from the retail supplier of the video games for a major failure

I actually know what that is and I'm not even an Aussie.

There's a great Australian show called The Checkout which delves into their consumer rights laws. This exact show is more about food and services than anything else, but the laws stated in this video still apply.


725f28  No.15633892

>>15633862

>no refund signs are illegal in Aussieland

Oh, okay, so is that how Valve fucked up? I remember there being something similar to that in their policy before the Australian government (and also some EU governments) stepped in and required them to have some form of refund policy.

>products that aren't of acceptable quality can also be refunded

Wew, most video games released in the past few years can be refunded under Australian then


ff2cda  No.15633944

>>15633892

Yes on both fronts, but some games also constitute major failures. Remember the Batman game that was so broken it couldn't run more than a few frames per second even on the highest end PCs? That could viable for being considered a major failure, the law is still catching up to how video games should be treated under consumer rights laws.

Games that don't work or consistently crash after a certain point could also be considered major failures.

Here's what constitutes a major failure

>No reasonable consumer would have made the purchase if they had known about the problem.

>The good is significantly different from the description, sample or demonstration model shown to the consumer.

>The good is substantially unfit for its normal purpose and cannot be easily made fit in a reasonable time.

>The good is substantially unfit for a purpose that the consumer made known to the supplier, and it cannot be made fit easily and within a reasonable time.

>The good is unsafe.

I've taken these from a legal website, the exact law worded differently but that's the gist of it. As you can see, a lot of games would fall under the first and second categories.


8651a6  No.15634099

File: 255e2a8b44d8eac⋯.png (40.96 KB, 573x397, 573:397, image0 - Copy.png)

For once being an Australian is paying off


f32fa9  No.15634118

File: ea90ba53e5a6c29⋯.jpg (10.8 KB, 255x254, 255:254, ea90ba53e5a6c293ca225a1905….jpg)

>>15634099

>actually buying shit on steam


84f6c9  No.15634121

>>15634099

Now you can use the refunded money to buy another month of HRT.


416150  No.15634122

File: 26b95c8fd994511⋯.jpg (28.16 KB, 269x326, 269:326, 0696bf1b5264eee48517c04c9b….jpg)

>tfw I'll never be able to return SFV as an American

I shall forever maintain the shame of buying this turd.


6044bc  No.15634128

>>15633113

>make shit cash grab game

>someone buys it, and completes it in an hour

>wants a refund which is something you can get with any other product even food.

>oy vey me shekels

Fuck off with this anti-consumer bullshit, and fuck valve.


bc63ab  No.15634222

File: 51d6341e5eb056c⋯.jpg (36.82 KB, 640x400, 8:5, 1oy4gf.jpg)

>>15634118

>buying

>not putting in a temporary deposit so you can use Valve's content servers


e8b90d  No.15634257

I wonder how this works with early access stuff, or if it especially works for EA games.

>>15634099

What even was that game?


fe0463  No.15634266

>using steam

kill urselves mateys


ad31a3  No.15634318

I thought this would have something to do with emulators fucking Valve over…


8a0374  No.15634738

>>15633206

chinks aren't people m8


1c65d8  No.15634782

>>15633085

If I understand correctly this also means games whose additional DRM fails to check because of a server issue or no more support is elegible, correct? althogh Denuvo is far from being dead (they are nu-Securom for all intents and purposes) it means that once the game is unplayable due to the lack of support it may be elegible for a refund or a "repair", am I right?


bee07f  No.15635066

File: b4eea201bcf8360⋯.gif (3.77 MB, 408x206, 204:103, lend-your-strength.gif)

>>15633389

GET THE REST OF THEM


87ea83  No.15635113

>>15633148

Companies will not stop selling to Australia under any case because even if 90% of products get refunded, they still are too greedy to let go that 10% profit.

Companies are the slaves of the consumer


e521dd  No.15635136

>>15633113

It would be perfect if they only had the Internet required to take advantage of it.


bee07f  No.15635176

>>15635136

I was under the general impression that antipode net access was actually pretty great for domestic traffic, which the cloud datacenters for Steam etc. are.


666533  No.15635194

File: b4cb554feedae9c⋯.jpg (137.5 KB, 720x910, 72:91, 1539643857883.jpg)

>>15633113

Exploiting the corporate system like that is easy to do online, but surprisingly difficult in real life. Imagine returning the game after obviously playing it, buying another, then doing it again. Imagine the look on the cashier's face as you come back for the fourth time to cheat the company again, and he has to comply because it's his job. I worked retail when I was a teenager, and people who did that were pathetic.


69dbea  No.15635236


e3407a  No.15635778

File: 9e82a7e193bcede⋯.gif (1.45 MB, 288x198, 16:11, laugh harder.gif)

>>15633085

I have no idea why you're this happy.

If you didn't wanted to pay for videogames, you always had piracy to begin with after all, something that can easily give you a better version often too.

If you just want to "stick it to the man" however, this is retarded beyond belief. It's a simple equation for Steam: how much money does the Australian Market make vs the amount we spend on refunds? If the first doesn't outweight the second, it's pointless to sell games on Australia and they'll just block the country from their client.

Now consider that refunds cost in the personel dealing with them and possibly in credibility with the bank if they are doing chargebacks, so even with a profit, it might not be worth the trouble.

If what you wanted was for Steam to stop selling on Aussie land, that's what you'd get. But then you'd be stuck with piracy anyway, which you could have done from the start.

There's actually more grim options down the line too.

You see that line "fit for all the purposes for which video games of that kind are commonly supplied"? Well, what does that mean when we are talking multiplayer games and the mythical aussie ping?

It means blocking off the australian population to australian servers only for any multiplayer videogame that uses Steam as a master server.

Or it could mean blocking the sale of multiplayer videogames from Steam that use it for their master server, so you're stuck with singleplayer only. And seeing how one of the reasons to buy games is the multiplayer itself, not even piracy helps here.

So let's recap, what are you actually getting here?

You're getting a form of piracy that's less reliable, prone to fail in the future, requires extra hoops to actually work and starting cash to begin with. Seriously, you're better off getting a magnet link to whatever game you were thinking of buying if you're just gonna refund it anyway.

You're also incentivizing the segregation of Australia away from multiplayer games , which is possibly the only good thing you'd achieve and everyone else in the world would be thankfull for. Probably not a good thing for you however.

Finnaly, you're sabotaging an online retailer to the point that they may stop operating in your country. If you think Steam is so shitty it deserves that, you wouldn't be buying games from them in the first place. But if you simply want a better online retail store, I fail to see how killing competition will make it any better. Have fun getting shit from Humble Bundle, I suppose.


a6a677  No.15636003

I wish we had this in North America. Fuck Canada and U.S.


8fdc8a  No.15636051

>>15634099

>landmark

You may have refunded the game, but you cannot refund the shame.


2e6563  No.15636106

File: a1bbd3b85ebbd1f⋯.jpg (104.65 KB, 960x956, 240:239, a1bbd3b85ebbd1f9da71fc0cdb….jpg)

>>15635778

Fuckin Australia never wins anything.


293a88  No.15636157

>>15635778

>all this retarded hypothetical nonsense

You missed a spot, I can still see a bit of shit on Gaben's boots.

The court case for this happened Last year and the notice was posted back in April, nothing actually changed except for Steam refunding obviously broken games, I tried refunding all sorts of games and none of it was approved even after opening a ticket and quoting the ruling. Its basically just extra protection from outright broken games or shut down servers for online only shit. It might even offer protection against denuvo servers shutting down and making games unplayable or at least giving devs a reason to patch out denuvo at the end of it usefulness. Only the biggest kike cocksucker could think the consumer having slightly more rights against a billion dollar company is a bad thing.


b1c0a9  No.15637514

>>15634099

Damn, does this mean you can recycle old/dead games that aren't played anymore?


5ca7cd  No.15637578

>>15637514

I thought of this too. If you've ever dropped money on a full price game you can refund it and recycle the money into a new release.


8fdc8a  No.15637583

>>15637514

For Landmark you could argue that it wasn't sold as a game on its own originally, but instead as a attachment to make content for the actual game people wanted to play.


47bd92  No.15650722

>>15633085

They got the same ruling from the EU and nothing changed.


a65656  No.15650761

>>15635194

I used to own a used video game store and niggers would literally come in and try to buy the latest niggerball game and would out right ask me if they could return it for a full refund the next day. I refused to sell them anything.


eeb62b  No.15652594

They still pay twice the price of the rest of the world.


38aca8  No.15654054

>>15634738

neither are britcucks


1b342b  No.15655577

>>15634738

LA is pretty chinked too


5ae362  No.15656478

>>15633113

pretty much i abused the fuck out of this back in the day hahah

fuck valve gonna go refund pubg


e76d73  No.15656650

>>15633295

If I use an Australian VPN, would I get to demo games for two weeks before getting a refund?


33b0aa  No.15656681

>Attitudes became more accepting in the 20th century and it is now considered by many Australians to be a cause for celebration to have a convict in one's lineage.

In 100 years it's going to be cause for celebration to have Chinese blood in australia. Based!


82427c  No.15656756

>>15635194

Managers discretion.

After the second or third time, a store manager will usually pull you up on it and say youre beginning to abuse the system.

Essentially, they cannot STOP you from exploiting the seven day returns policy but they can ask you to shop elsewhere and be well within their right.

Its not entirely abusable.




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