/v/ - Video Games

>>15618467

What caused this trend?

>>15618490

DayZ probably

>spellbreak

>made by proletariat inc

top lel

Fortnite

>inb4 shill

>inb4 you cant inb4

This is a shill thread if I ever saw one.

>>15618490

basically the evolution of crafting survival games into an arcade setting, early on was survival games, then you brought the high pop psudo survival games with PVP like dayz, arguably minecraft, 7 days to die, Rust, Arc. then you had a few prototypes that would be recognized as battle royal, the only example to immediately come to mind is The Culling but there were a bunch of poorly rated releases with the same premise that were published in about the same time.

Parallel to this was the departure from norm in the traditional FPS genre, battlefield was competing directly with CoD because of the bigger population sizes and better interaction with the world. CoD responded with changing movement mechanics. both the online survival MMO and shooter genre were approaching the point we see now with Battle Royale.

it's the same way that ASSFAGGOTS was synthesized out of two morphing established genres of game,the RTS and Crpg.

>>15618547

H1Z1

Gonna hold my breath and see how they handle user feedback through-out their alpha stages. The only true cancer of BRs is them catering to the crowd that only wants to see cosmetics. The same shit in fortnite and PUBG have been broken for ages and they still don't fucking fix it.

I hope this does well but only time will tell. Also daily reminder to never buy into founder packs.

>>15618467

>Are there any games that you were looking forward to that were ruined by the BR meme?

No, I wasn't looking forward to shit games.

>>15618490

Game mods. The same happened with ASSFAGGOTS, which was originally a Warcraft 3 custom map. BR has dayZ mod from Arma. The cancerous part comes from kikes emulating what worked for free. just like some faggots managed to profit from old memes printed on shirts or hosted on their ad-filled cancer sites. It's also a good argument for piracy, the level of creativity in modern entertainment that they don't deserve a dime. Everything is a frankenstein monster of something else without the heart the original had put into it. It'll only get worse as China infiltrates more and more the (((international market)))

>>15618680

the level of creativity is so low* that

Fallout 76?

>>15618680

Do you also hate Team Fortress 2 for being originally based on a Quake mod?

>>15618823

I sincerely doubt there's more than the two of us here old enough to even remember that.

>>15618830

I remember CTF being a mod for DOOM.

Now that I think about it, I haven't played a good game of CTF in a long time, aside from TF2. Do games even have CTF modes anymore?

>>15618816

No I think FO76 is everything BUT the battle aspect

>>15618584

CHINA NUMBA ONE

>>15618680

custom gamemodes*

Game mods that get turned into full games normally have something more to them.

These are just unorignal copies of eachother.

>>15618467

Yes i hate popular things too.

Unpopular things are where it's at.

satisfied?

>gookshit

I feel Fortnite has completely taken over unlike anything else and it will never die. Minecraft was almost as big as Fortnite only a few years ago but it lost steam, I know people that have never touched a videogame they're whole lives but are playing it. Tell me I'm wrong.

>>15619159

Nah, I feel like it's just a fad. At least with Minecraft, it was a sandbox and you could do whatever you wanted in it and see new things you haven't saw before in game or new areas in game so the tedium takes a while to set in and it takes years instead of months for this shit to get old. Fortnite, while popular, is literally the same game you played last week and the week before with the same mechanics. Eventually, you'll tire of it and move to the next big thing. Except for the fervent fans, who will ling onto it no matter what.

>>15619120

>haha you don't like BR games because they're popular

>implying that BR games aren't actually absolute garbage with no redeeming qualities

>>>/reddit/

>>15619159

>video game

>never die

It'll be on life support in two years at most, probably much sooner, when only rabid fans will still be playing. Unfortunately, it'll be replaced by something even more cancerous.

Friendly reminder all BR games have lost massive chunks in their playerbases over the last year, though in the case of Fortnite that's the difference between 100+ million and "only" 50+ million. The chinks are forcing this trend by the way.

get ready for annual COD BR

>>15619315

You've been on /v/ too long, time to come up for air. The only games that are automatically bad are mobile games.

>>15618490

>What caused this trend?

Renaming "last man standing" aka "king of the hill" mode in online shooters to "battle royale", and using the brainwashing CalArts and tripout colors.

That shit is worse than LSD.

>>15619378

You may have rose tinted glasses on. TFC was similar to TF2 in that you can win just by accomplishing your respective class’s role effectively, there wasn’t too much more of a requirement for teamwork.

Though, it may be that I am the wrong one here. Last time I played TFC in a server not filled with bots had to have been well over 10 years ago. I can’t remember specifically how a game played out. Even then, I usually played on fun maps and the like more often than actual maps since the former tended to have more players on average.

I first played TFC some time during 2006 or maybe 2005, and we all know that the internet changed forever after 2007. Perhaps there indeed was a time like you described.

>>15619706

>You may have rose tinted glasses on. TFC was similar to TF2 in that you can win just by accomplishing your respective class’s role effectively, there wasn’t too much more of a requirement for teamwork

Yeah but those roles were more nuanced in positioning and objectives than "Stand in group with pals and fight enemy team." I'm talking about Overwatch specifically, not TF2. In fact TF2 is ruined for the opposite reason; so many custom items exist that the classes bleed over into almost every role and they become almost meaningless except for flavor.

In TFC, unless you were VoIPing it up with your team you expected everyone to be competent enough at their class (like most games) but this naturally meant your teammates were spread all over the map, not huddled together.

>>15619743

>>15619706

Also I was playing TFC somewhere around 1999-2004 and everyone was playing CTF, with your exceptions being

the standard array of fun maps, Push and Hunt (another gamemode lost to time). Push was the only one that really survived and it too has fallen by the wayside for Payload which is essentially a dumbed down version of the same mode.

>>15618823

Yes

If you don’t hate that then you’re part of the problem

>>15619680

>FFA deathmatch

>clearly the same thing as a large scale permadeath game where there's a heavy focus on getting a hold of whatever you can to keep yourself from getting killed

And yeah, that's the other thing that makes you guys look like clueless dipshits, when you keep trying too liken it to gamemodes that are clearly very different.

I've never actually played a BR game, what's wrong with them apart from the fact that it's insanely popular with normalfags?

>>15619792

>literally just describes an FFA deathmatch in a wordy, convuluted way

The only difference is that these shitty games have only one mode.

>>15619798

They aren't actually that fun yet it is extremely successful which is the cause of the outrage

Isn't battle royale just Last Man Standing for retards?

>>15619801

Even ignoring the lack of large scale combat, since when the fuck does deathmatch mean permadeath? Deathmatch is built around the fact the players respawn.

>>15619798

99% of the time is spent in lobbies, after that running around on foot searching for weapons to shoot others. It's literally a walking&looting simulator and then you get shot by a guy that had some more luck that you and got a sniper rifle and you can start over. There you go, 5-20 minutes WASTED.

>>15619811

But last man standing deathmatches are a thing. And permadeath wouldn't define it as a whole new genre. Neither would having a bigger map. It's just a FPS. The only thing I'm confused about now is whether you're trolling or are genuinely retarded.

>>15619159

> it will never die.

This will never be true for anything, and that's a good thing.

>>15619814

Oh, so it's based on luck? No wonder normalfags love it so much, luck means even the shittiest player can win occasionaly.

Fartnite is delaying Unreal Tournament.

BR should finally fucking die

>>15619818

Deathmatch = You win by getting the most kills, the focus is on finding kills

Last Man Standing = You win by being the only one to not get killed, the focus is on surviving

Very different things. If you didn't really mean deathmatch then don't use the word, it's baffling how I'm having to explain this to you.

And yes, large scale does make a difference, it creates space between you and the enemies which creates a focus on things like surveying your surroundings while creating quiet periods where the focus is on getting equipment. It also necessitates the "shrinking ring" mechanic which is what people generally define the genre by.

>>15619832

I gues you can say it is based on luck somewhat.

I played like 90hours of Playerunknown Battleground and I was fighting/shooting other people maybe for 1-2hour of that time. It's that bad. You can also just have games where you get into the top 10 by just beeing "unlucky" and not meeting other players, that means you spend like 25 minutes or so and just no one went to loot the places you did and you're fully decked out and even then you can just get shot in the back by a guy that you never saw. It's just fucking tiring and I'm mad at all the time I wasted on that shit.

>>15619818

>>15619804

Comparing battle royale to FFA LMS is like comparing a concise half-hour television show to the mediocre straight-to-TV movie tie-in that went on for way too fucking long because it was written by the original writer's autistic brother. The size of the maps aren't even comparable and battle royale actually rewards being a little faggot and hiding in a corner once you get all the gear you need, whereas in FFA LMS the person with the most gear wants to hunt down and kill the other players as fast as possible before the pickups respawn and then they lose their advantage. FFA LMS is still about killing and not surviving as all arena-format FPSes are. The nature of respawning pickups mean that good players can dance around each other like ballerinas trying to get pickups at precisely timed moments. In BR if you ever visit the same location twice you are a drooling retard that doesn't even understand the rules of the game and the ceiling for gear advantage is much higher; in other words there is a much greater incentive to play scavenger hunt and always avoid conflict.

>>15619858

>>15619921

Semantics aside, it's still an FPS with one mode. It's not a genre and all the money spent on marketing it as its own genre doesn't change the fact that it's an FPS with one mode.

>>15619943

In regards to the guy you were originally replying to who made it sound like battle royale is a natural concept for a game, it depends on perspective. From a pure game design perspective, BR (as it was envisioned by PUBG and similar) is an obviously retarded idea. for reasons already discussed in this thread. However, games aren't usually made or sold based on what is a good or novel design idea, they are made based on what they believe will allow them to "tap into an untapped market," which means come up with an idea that's novel enough to get a bunch of ignorant morons with more money than sense to buy it. BR came out at the right time due to the Hunger Games movie craze. Any time you don't understand why shitty games get made, you simply have to think like a marketer and the answer becomes clear.

>>15620025

>That wouldn't explain why the genre started off as mods if it was also a marketing thing.

Except DayZ wasn't similar to battle royale at all, it was more like a multiplayer RPG with permadeath except instead of levelling stats you just find gear and there was no endgame except going to the most populated area of the map and dying in a blaze of glory. It was an experimental sandbox game that got popular due to community reasons alone, so what did PUBG do? Remove almost all the community and exploration aspects by putting the game on a timer and set a win condition. The format is really obviously designed specifically for streamers, which is why kids don't play these fucking games they just watch streamers play them. They're awful boring games but they make for somewhat decent watching because of the tension involved, but even then you're probably not watching the first five minutes of every single match at least.

>>15620062

>except DayZ wasn't similar to battle royale at all

I agree, not sure why you're bringing it up though. I'm talking about the battle royale mod that sprung up after that.

>>15620073

I've literally never even heard of it, assuming we are still talking about ArmA mods, so it seems to me that nobody liked it until it was designed for streamers by Chinese-funded marketers.

>>15620084

>no one likes this mod, I know I'll put money into the idea and make it a commercial product

Yeah I'm sure that happened.

>>15620105

Well don't look at me, you're the one who came up with the idea in the first place dipshit.

>>15620025

>You've basically abandoned trying to argue the original point.

More like you've abandoned try to pass off battle royale as an original concept and its own genre. When really it's just FPS with only FFA deathmatch mode. No sale today, Schlomo.

>>15620833

The ability to see around corners without the risk of being seen yourself? Which is actually really useful in these kind of games? Come on man.

>>15620613

>I'm just skeptical of the claim that they're some marketing scheme when it started out as a bunch of free mods.

I get that, but my point is that the concept of BR as we know it now always sucked and wasn't a great game concept, which is why those mods you're talking about didn't get popular in favor of ones like DayZ. In fact I'm fairly sure the mods you're talking about were more fun than PUBG. PUBG did not rip off those mods necessarily, but if you examine the design aspects of PUBG and its derivatives it becomes clear that:

>1. the game is objectively terrible to the point where it seems like it was intentionally designed to be unfun for the participants

>2. the game is far more amusing to someone who is not playing the game and experiencing the mind-numbing tedium of a scavenger hunt

>3. the tedious scavenger hunt coincidentally gives streamers plenty of time for "shout outs" and "chilling with subs" aka doing fuck all but responding to stream chat.

The reason Fortnite has become more popular with actual players is that it is far more forgiving than PUBG because the sniper rifles frankly suck dick and you have to get reasonably close to finish people off. Some of the kids seem to like the "build during combat," I think it's retarded and janky and makes explosives way too good.

Coincidentally, both Fortnite and PUBG have massive amounts of Chinese investment. As is a recurring them with Chinese-supported games, both of them are extremely soulless games driven entirely by numbers. Thus we can also conclude with a reasonable degree of safety that the games were also designed solely by the numbers.

>>15618492

People forget that you could actually RP, capture people and find allies in DayZ.

>>15620833

TPS games have the potential to be good, FPS does not.

>>15621111

Faggot.

>>15621119

Come back when you can match my quads, shit eater.

>>15619159

Normalfags have major attention deficit disorder, alongside being obsessive trend -followers. Also, I tend to find that the bigger a craze gets, the faster it will burn out.

When the next Big Thing appears, all the normalfags will abandon Fortnite like the trash it is. I'd give it one more year in the spotlight, then a steady decline after that. The specifics really depend on the dev team and how hard they work to keep the content flowing.

i kinda like the idea of battle royale, like you dont need to play 1000 hours to get gear to be able to compete in pvp in mmo, or grind weapons and shit in cod or bf, but even so i cant have fun in games like that, i tried playing fortnite and after few minutes it was too retarted for me, played few hours in pubg and had small dose of fun but this is not it, i wish there were game like that in vidrel of op but in style of cs, fast rounds on small maps

>>15621619

You just want last man standing FFA mode in classic FPS games it sounds like. Good luck finding people to play that with you. Quake Live freeze tag may appeal to you.

>>15621627

i liked playing queake when i could play it lan in school with over 10 people, that was fun, i can remember my older brother playing it with neighbors on lan, most of the people had ethernet from one place or we would drop cable few floors below us to play with someone

>>15621691

making addictive game that you can play with friends for free is good start to make normalfag want to spend money to show off with cosmetics that cost real money

>>15618467

CoD

>>15618467

>>inb4 you cant inb4

What fucking year is it?

>>15619595

>you guys

go back

>>15620863

>The ability to see around corners without the risk of being seen yourself?

So you are also a fan of rainbow six vegas 2? This defeats the whole purpose of risk and reward.

>>15621111

>TPS

third person games are floaty bullshit games and stand no chance against first person shooters like ut.

>>15621608

okay so this is a moba turned into battleroyale. You took a bad game and made it worse. Why are you crying OP? This game wasn't even good. Nothing got ruined, it was already unplayablely bad.

>>15630559

>So you are also a fan of rainbow six vegas 2?

I never said I liked that design.

>>15630307

I could never enjoy Painkiller. I died more times to physics glitches than to enemies.

>>15618547

>it's the same way that ASSFAGGOTS was synthesized out of two morphing established genres of game,the RTS and Crpg.

Interesting, because Warband is an RTS CRPG cross and it's as far from ASSFAGGOTS as possible. Are ASSFAGGOTS dead yet? Did battle royale shit kill it yet?

>>15630717

physics glitches are part of the game, git gud

>>15630559

>third person games are floaty bullshit games and stand no chance against first person shooters like ut.

Whoa you hardcore neckbeard, cool multiplayer shit that nobody cares about. Play a real game like gun valkyrie or bulk slash you fucking pedestrian.