/v/ - Video Games

>>15594652

It is the worst because it's a mess of a game, it's still better than most games in many ways but for its own franchise it's certainly the black sheep, all because it had a nightmare of a development.

>Favorite boss

Sir Alonne

>Most hated boss

In DS2? like half of the bosses in that game

>Favorite weapon

Drakewing ultra greatsword

>Fun builds to try out in DS2 SotFS

Bare fists only, though it requires a bit of setup and farming a red phantom with the company of champions covenant. That or the one hit build but that takes even more setup

>>15594698

>One hit build

That one sounds interesting, what are the stats on that?

>>15594652

Quality build with RoB/Flynn, Rapier > Mastodon Halberd > Craftman's Hammer. Everything else is shit, and Dark Souls 2 is shit.

>>15594719

There's a variety of ways to go about it, either magic or melee, buff stacking, early game focused or late game focused, for PvP or PvE etc. It doesn't matter which one you choose, they all require some set up and a bit of grinding. I don't want to write it because shit's long and depending on the build it requires you to go to different places in the game, so go to youtube or google and look for DS2 one shot builds and pick the one that tickles your fancy.

I hated DaS2, but I beat it with dual wield swords. >Favorite Boss

Ancient Dragon

>Most hated boss

Pretty much all the rest

>Favorite weapon

dual infused longswords

>Fun builds to try out in DS2 SotFS

I dunno I didn't like the game enough to NG+ but I hear the Chaos Blade is pretty sweet so I would probably dual wield again since the dual stance is OP

>>15594652

I played scholar first, thought it was fairly good especially compared to most other games. So I went ahead a played the original and it was bland and not as atmospheric compared to scholar or ds1 for that matter. Still, better than most games and any thread shitting on souls games is likely by someone who is bitter and without internal dialogue.

>Favorite boss

I guess I like the Penetrators, they're a nice balance between normal enemy and boss monster, and you'll always fight them one-on-one, which is nice because many other bosses are gank-fests.

>Most hated boss

Not really hated, but I think Jabba the Hut in Harvest Valley is kind of a trash boss battle. He does nothing to really jeopardize your well being, so he's very easy to defeat. Also, the three tin men in the Lost Bastille are annoying to fight because they move very quickly and there's three of them, which makes the whole affair a dodge and DPS test. It's not harrowing or interesting enough to be another 4 Kings fight, and it's not easy enough to just brush past through it unless you spend hours grinding and you manage to get a max level weapon before you face them. Actually, come to think of it, this game is filled with annoying boss battles that just grate on the nerves, like those invisible tigers from Crown of the Ivory King.

>Favorite weapon

The greatsword kind of trivializes the entire game, so it's great when you just want to clear out all the enemies and make them disappear

>Fun builds to try out in DS2 SotFS

If you're right handed, then just do everything left handed, it will challenge your reflexes.

>>15594848

>says he as he posts bottom-tier normalfag trash

the irony

For PvE, just grab a basic spear (Spear, Partizan, Pate's Spear, Heide Spear) and wear a Stone Ring always. It makes most situations extremely easy to deal with, NPC dark spirits are a joke when you have a spear, too. With the Stone Ring you can keep everything at a distance because the poise damage is so great. Heide Spear with lightning infusion +10 is broken outside of the DLC areas. For DLC, since you're already in the late game when you're fit to go in them you will have more options to choose from for a weapon of choice. Ultra Great weapons are good because of the damage they deal, since poise damage becomes beyond useless against DLC mobs (it's still manageable but not reliable).

tldr: spear + stone ring for easy game

In DaS II, since it's my favorite

>Favorite boss

Probably Sinh

>Most hated boss

Those Two Cats in the Wastes

>Favorite weapon

Bare fits with champion's ring

>Fun builds to try out in DS2 SotFS

Bare Knuckle Brawler with Champion's Ring

Get to the rat sewer area

join the covenant of champions

go online

fight the invader in the sewer, pick up his covenant of champions drop

keep doing this until he stops spawning

Farm the shit out of him with Bonfire ascetics

Give all those sweet tokens to the champions' stone

get ring

Fuck shit up with your bare fists

>>15594652

> think I'll do an Armored Core build (Crossbows and magic only) but after trying it out on 3 and seeing how bad crossbows are, I may have to have another build in mind,

Crossbows are not just awful for the damage they do, but in DS2 using your souls on anything other than leveling up/upgrading equipment is a huge waste, so continuously buying bolts for that crossbow will be a huge drain on your souls.

It's a huge waste because if waste souls on bolt, you'll be at a disadvantage to someone in your summon range because instead of bolts they probably used their souls on leveling up.

>>15594977

As an addition. I used the mannequin's mask and pretended I was a luchadore the whole time

>that one game in the series that almost everyone thinks it's the worst

only reddit thinks that which is almost everyone in the world

>>15594981

Oh yeah, I forgot to add I'm not doing any PvP because yarr harr fiddle dee dee.

>>15595009

The offline invader should show up for you, then.

DS2 has the best build variety but that's probably its only advantage over the other games.

Also Remastered is dead lol. Press S to spit on grave.

>>15595094

>Also Remastered is dead lol.

DS1 Remastered or DS2 Remastered?

>>15595084

I'm just saying that because some people seem worried that I'm going have a shitty time with invaders. I'm perfectly willing to have a character that doesn't do good damage or is very tanky if he's fun to play as.

>>15594837

>you'll always fight them one-on-one

Except for that one time you don't.

>>15594937

This is good advice. Although you'll probably want a secondary weapon with higher damage output to deal with bosses.

>favorite boss

Sir Alonne. He's what a "big humanoid with a sword" boss should be: fast, ruthless, hard hitting, and agile.

>most hated boss

2cats lmao!!! Both the fight and getting to them.

>favorite weapon

Heide Knight Sword. Wrecks some serious shit on a faith build.

>fun builds

Boss killing faith build where you just spend your time helping people by spamming your summon sign. Pure caster builds are good balance of fun and challenging in PvP I keep a fully upgraded dagger in my off-hand. Nobody expects someone in a dress spamming sorceries and pyromancies to backstab for half a health bar.

>>15594698

>it's still better than most games

I really wish this stupid meme would die already. DS2 is shit in general. There are tons and tons of games better than that piece of shit. If you're only considering AAA dogshit then maybe, but DS2 is nowhere near better than most games overall. It does a few things alright and fails in every other way.

>>15595098

I think he was referring to DS3 remastered, since that shit came out no john has paid a dime for the online nerfs and rightly so (in my opinion)

>>15595129

>Except for that one time you don't.

When do you ever fight them with more than one enemy around?

>>15595094

>faith gutted

>sorcery gutted

>pyromancy gutted

>strength gutted

I sure do love my Hex or Dex (with dark weapon of course) build variety!

>>15594698

DS2 feels like an unfinished tech demo of a game full of unused or rejected ideas for the first game. It's really really bad.

>>15595098

DS1 Remastered.

>>15595288

Are you talking about PvP? PvE there is plenty that works. Only faggots give a shit about lag souls and backstab.

>>15595351

>Are you talking about PvP?

Of course. Since you can use any weapon in the entire game to complete PVE in every single souls game, PVP is what is being referred to when they discuss build variety, and 2's build variety is worse than 1 and 3.

If you want to discuss good weapons in pve, the effectiveness gap between robflynn rapier/espada ropera and everything else is comically large.

>>15595304

It's fun, though.

>>15595362

> 2's build variety is worse than 1 and 3

If you legitimately believe this bait tier opinion then you must not have played much of 2.

>>15595369

I've 100%'d all three. At release 2 had the best build variety in the series by far, but after the nerfs, nah, not even close. It's a mess.

>>15595369

I've played hundreds of hours of ds2 pvp and he's absolutely right. 3, maybe 4 weapon types are viable out of 22. It's fucking absurd how often I ran into straight sword, katana and rapiers in pvp with the occasional curved sword.

>>15594652

Dark Souls 2 was the first Souls game I played, and for that reason, is actually my favorite. I went back and played 1 and loved it, but 3 was a let down when it was From just trying to pander to the fags who loved 1 and bitched about 2. I still enjoyed 3 (I have a character who's on NG+11 or some shit).

>favorite boss

In all of Souls? Probably Artorias. DS2? Pursuer.

>hated boss

All that were slight variations on past bosses, i.e. twin Dragonriders. Also the Congregation.

>favorite weapon

All ultra greatswords. Twinblades are fun, too. Too bad they're shit.

>fun builds

I've always been partial to the faith-tank. High VGR and STR with miracles like Denial and Soothing Sunlight.

Dual wielding is the best way to get the most out of 2's unique features. 2 is also arguably the best game to do a Guts build in. You can hold Y to two-hand the left hand weapon which lets you manually aim your crossbow, pyromancy can't be used for twinking due to soul memory but in PvE it's fine, and ultra great sword animations are good in 2 because the time between attacks in the same but the swings themselves are faster and look cooler.

One thing to note when you forego a shield is that positioning won't help you, 2's hitboxes aren't very good so if your dodge's i-frames aren't timed right the attack's going to hit you no matter where it looks like it's going. Level the adaptability stat to get i-frames on par with 1's fast roll, the magic number was either 20 or 28 I think

>>15595389

>3 maybe 4 viable weapon types out of 22

Bullshit, I made a shitton of heavy weapon builds no problem, and they had atleast an 80% success rate in the average duel.

>>15595208

The main Drangleic Castle bonfire at +1 intensity or higher. If you go to the throne room you'll fight 2 of them and get a Ring of Blades +2.

>>15595362

Lag Souls PvP is a joke. It's fun, but it's impossible to take it seriously with the p2p hosting system, which causes a lag fest most of the time.

>>15595449

>my anecdotal and probably falsified experience with x means x is good!

Whelp, time to abandon ship, this isn't going to go anywhere productive.

reminder that the dks2 hate meme was entirely the result of the toxic reddit fans getting mad at sould memory (stopping them from stomping lvl1 players forever) and at roll iframes being locked behind a stat (stopping them from stomping new players as easily).

the redditors were so mad they had official cheats to manipulate their soul memory, and they were even more mad when their shit cheats managed to get detected by From and they were softbanned.

reminder that those retarded redditors were the people From catered to with every game past DKS2

>>15595457

This.

>>15595464

>>15595422

Imagine my shock.

>>15595457

Hating it became popular after cancermathosis released a video explaining in detail how much he sucks, using a joke boss (congregation something) as an example of artificial difficulty.

>>15595481

>Toxic reddit fans

Are you defending the only fan community of the games that officially developed, distributed, and encouraged the use of cheats in PvP?

Not even the cheat engine forums encouraged PvP cheating, but of course reddit couldn't go 5 minutes without making a scene.

>TORpedo

complaining about anonymity on an anonymous image board, what could go wrong?

also enjoy your cloudflare MITM

>>15595528

enemies don't reset, they respawn, because they can't die for good

>>15595537

They don't "respawn" they come back to life. I see what you're saying but it still ruins the flow of gameplay, its one of those lore before mechanics things

>>15595544

>go down elevator

>wait an extra second to step on the plate again and send it back up before you get off

<flow = ruined

heh

>>15594854

<Super Ornstein

>who is actually significantly wimpier

ok…

>>15595528

There are plenty of pre boss bonfires in 2, it is a popular complaint about the game. Did you play 1? You had to run entire gauntlets just to get to a boss again.

>15594977

>In DaS II, since it's my favorite

Oh no; I'm not sure anybody told you this but Miyazakikami-sama didn't even work on DaS2, so it's actually shit when you really think about it hmm?

>>15595457

Really, Torfriend?

I disliked Dark Souls 2 because enemy encounters felt like a ganking gang bang, tracking was ridiculous and they could spin on the spot while swinging their big attacks, bosses weren't very memorable, there was some useless new stat that required dumping into, the world made no sense at all geographically and the atmosphere and style was mostly muddy rather than dark.

>>15595636

The only bullshit mob in DS2 are the Drakekeepers, if you have trouble with anything else then gitgud.

>>15595642

Did I use the word "trouble" in my post friend?

You want to tell me that the infamous pre-boss corridor in the castle for example is not just an absolute boring slog if you want to get through it properly? Being swarmed with enemies in this style of play is not fun and reeks of a poor attempt to amp up difficulty.

>>15595636

>bosses weren't very memorable, there was some useless new stat that required dumping into, the world made no sense at all geographically and the atmosphere and style was mostly muddy rather than dark.

Funny enough I feel that way about 3 too.

>>15595528

Those are legit complains, but they apply to 1 and 3 too in most cases.

Gangbangs being fairly common from the lower burg all the way to lost izalith in 1 and basically the only way encounters are designed in 3, tracking in 3 has the swamp fuckers doing 90 degrees turns on a dime while wielding a fucking tree as a lance and the transforming abominations right from the start, 1 had endurance as the mandatory stat dump since carry weight was so much more valuable with the 25% weight roll, 3 had dozens of bosses that were poor imitations of 1's bosses while 1 recycled the asylum demon thrice…

I'll give you the world geography, but the art style of 2 was at least as varied as 1's, even tho 1 was held back by tech issues in that department and would have looked much better in 2's engine or any other decent engine.

Thank god everyone can finally see how good DS2 is.

Fucking cancermattosis poisoned the well for years with his retardation. Thank god we can finally have an intelligent conversation about the best game in the series now.

I like how the game encourages you to be more agressive by making shields useless so you have to dodge.

>>15595667

>an absolute boring slog

That accurately describes most of DS2. The "difficult" sections merely force you to play hyper defensively, either stacking tons of poise damage (this is where the Mastodon Halberd + Stone Ring come in) and baiting out pokes against a bunch of HP sponge poisefags like what you get in Shulva, or bringing a bow and clearing tedious ranged mobs with seeking projectiles from range like what you get in Shrine of Amana and Brightstone Cove.

>>15595751

DS2 because everything about that game is great. It even has a fake MLG sword.

>>15595751

Demon's Souls because magic was viable.

>>15595746

DS2 has always been the worst in the series, even before some faggot youtuber said so. Sorry, pal.

>Nigger Souls

The only real Souls games are Demon's Souls, Bloodborne and Sekiro when it comes out.

Dark Souls was just a way to cash in on xbronies and PC "users"

>>15595799

>>15595840

Faggotmaattosis detected

Go back to blocking with a shield and using the lock on

>>15595667

As opposed to the masterfully designed slogs you have to go through before most bosses in DS1?

>>15595867

2 is really fucking bad, dude.

3 will never be as bad as 2.

>there are still cuckchanners on this board who think DS3 > DS2

>>15595894

I know right? We need to purge these redditors.

I bet the fags even think old games are good.

I have to wonder, what would be different if all backstabs were guaranteed 1hko like in Tenchu?

What if stealth could be an actual option in these games?

>>15595908

He uses the same arguments as Hcommieguy, so please take that into consideration when you meet him.

>>15595919

Isn't that pretty much like what Sekiro is trying to do? I see what you mean anyway, sneaking up on enemies and giving them the buttstab is fun either way.

>>15595944

No, because those aren't guaranteed kills either.

>>15594652

>Favorite boss

blue smelter

>Most hated boss

twin pursuers. I just used a bunch of old divine blessings and chugged through the fight.

>Favorite weapon

old whip, dark infused sanctun crossbow, dark steel katana, dark infused roaring halberd, duel twinblades

>Fun builds to try out in DS2 SotFS

dark build. just 1-2 shot people with dark damage.

>>15595389

you are retarded 2 has the most variety by far. I never run into straight swords and katanas and rapiers so often as I run into shield turtles or sorcerers or pyros who absolutely outskill me with casting right after I roll

in dark souls 3 I had to roll 6 times in a row through carthus swords to get in one hit with a heavy weapon. in dark souls 2 heavy weapons are fine.

>>15595537

some of the enemies do die for good if you kill them 12 times without kindling the bonfire.

>>15595751

dark souls 1 has the best moonlight greatsword in my opinion

>>15595904

go back to reddit and play your emulated bing bing wahoo shit

>>15595919

stealth is always useless in video games because its not fun

>>15595951

>stealth is always useless in video games because its not fun

Murdering everyone as invisible ninja in Nioh was pretty fun.

>>15595967

The backstabs in Nioh arent even guaranteed kills.

>>15595890

>pvp

you mean the stuff you have like 6-9 orbs for and when you're out you're forced to go duel tryhard level 300 2hitkill builds in the arena?

>>15595840

Use pure physical weapons. The way resistances work in DLC areas is super wonky, so unless you're say, a Faith or Sorcery build with minimum STR/DEX investment, having an infused weapon will be a damage loss, or barely break even.

>>15595951

>pyros who absolutely outskill me with casting right after I roll

Using slow catalyst makes this so much fun. "Oh he's using Soul Greastsword, what a moron!". But you're using Azal's or Retainer's Staff and thus cast slow as fuck, so you catch the dude anyways.

>>15596014

thanks anon. I've gone through the game a couple of times and only done the DLC completely once. Something about this game though that as much as I dislike it…. is vaguely comfy. Can't explain it.

>>15596100

I find the graphics to be the most comfy out of all the games for some reason too. The animations are the same, but there's something weird that makes me like seeing it in motion.

Also, I've heard some stuff about how good the PS3 emulation is with Demon's Souls, and maybe I could give that a shot. My PC is mid-tier stuff, should I give it a shot?

>>15596100

>vaguely comfy

It's the Majula theme getting in your skull.

>>15594652

>Favorite boss

Nashandra for her aesthetic, Sir Alonne for the fight.

>Most hated boss

Burny Ivory King for that fucking loyce soul grind

>Favorite weapon

Sunset Staff no bully plz

>Fun builds to try out in DS2 SotFS

Try twinswords

>>15594698

>all because it had a nightmare of a development.

Dark Souls 2, Dragon's Dogma, MGSV, rushed development and squandered budgets are the scourge of gaming.

>>15599455

>DeS remastered

I imagine the problem is something like "Sony owns the IP, but Fromsoft owns the source code and neither party is willing to compromise". But I've got no source for that.

>>15599490

Even worse. Sony has the publishing rights for Japan, Bandai has the rights for Europe and Atlus has the rights for North America. It's probably Bandai and Atlus who are to blame since after Bandai "took" the franchise and Demons Souls became Dark Souls and made huge profits with it. Sony is still good wih From I mean, they made Bloodborne together afterwards.

>>15599490

>Actual creators can't use their own creation

And there's still people who defend IP, Jesus christ.

>Favorite Boss

Fume Knight

>Most Hated Boss

Pontiff Sulivan

>Favorite Weapon

Demon's Souls - Club

Dark Souls - Gravelord Greatsword

Dark Souls 2 - Dragon Tooth

Dark Souls 3 - Chaos Blade

Bloodborne - Boomhammer

>Fun build for SotFS

You asked the right guy.

Danger Wrangler - SL 150 Bandit

50 Vig

45 End

11 Vit

45 Str

15 Dex

26 Adp

01 Int

08 Fth

Weapons:

Large Club for high stagger and reach for low stamina consumption.

Red Rust Sword for high DPS with a nice moveset.

Twin Headed Greatbow for hilariously high damage ranged attacks

Armor:

Durgo's Hat, to make up for bad Greatbow range

NO CHEST ARMOR CAUSE YOU'RE A SICK CUNT

Targray's Manifers

Lion Warrior Skirt

>>15599545

FromSoft is a mid-tier studui and without the money from those publishers, they wouldn't even be able to make the game in the first place. Also, this case is an exception. Usually, all the parties involved stay fair. Look at Nioh for example, which was published and funded by Sony after years of development hell and in exchange Sony got the publishing rights in Japan and a timed exclusive bonus. Everyone's happy.

>>15599578

>mid-tier *studio

>>15599545

IP laws are retarded, but that's not a good argument against them. If you pay someone to create X, they don't suddenly have the rights to X if they've already received their agreed-upon compensation. Imagine if you hired a contractor to build you a home, and then the shitskin mexicans that they used to build it came back and demanded to "use their own creation".

>>15599587

I didn't mean to imply the example you gave, but I guess it was misleading. What I meant is that the whole IP idea sells itself on "protecting content creators" when it actually fucks them over more often than not.

I agree with you on the house thing but let's look a bit further: the house itself is scarce but its design is not; imagine this: Someone pays you to build or design a house for them, but they demand you give them IP rights for the design of the house; so even if you wanted to use that design to build one for yourself using your own resources, you couldn't do so without the IP holder's consent. And that is retarded.

>>15599621

>Someone pays you to build or design a house for them, but they demand you give them IP rights for the design of the house; so even if you wanted to use that design to build one for yourself using your own resources, you couldn't do so without the IP holder's consent

That right there is the exact problem with IP laws, you're quite correct.

>>15599621

>so even if you wanted to use that design to build one for yourself using your own resources

That's Dark Souls.

>>15599679

Sure, but they did have to rebrand it

>>15599698

My house has my name on it and his copy of my house has his name.

>>15594652

>Favorite boss

Alonne

Honorable mention for Looking Glass Knight just due to the visual atmosphere of the fight

>Most hated boss

The copy & pastes from DS1: Ornstein & Gargoyles

>Favorite Weapon

Tie between Murakumo & Cool Ranch Smelter

>Fun builds to try

Bow of Want only & all parryable enemies have to be killed with a parry > headshot

>>15599768

It's free to play you retarded forced meme posting faggot.

Nice cuckchan filename too, jackass.

>>15601375

I thought the point of TOR was that it was a honeypot, so does that mean that they were okay with all the cp?

>>15601421

>jews are okay with cp

yes

>>15601480

Oh. I don't know where I said any of that.

>>15601515

i actually meant to just quote >>15595894

>>15601459

>swiss vpn

>federal honeypot

Congratulations you're retarded.

>>15601533

Did you get DSFix? I've never tried the M+KB controls but everyone agrees they suck.

>>15594652

honesty this game had the least shit mages they still sucked if u knew how to dodge there spells but atleast magic had tracking so u actually stood a chance also the dual weilding was cool.

Dark souls 2 did a lot of things right. Mechanically I would say the game is even ahead of the others. Too bad, the game is buried in a mess of rough ideas with bad executions.

Drangleic castle is probably the most dark souls 2 level there is.

>significant area, but all the enemies are recycled from other levels

>wierd puzzles where you have to bait enemies out of one room into another, and kill them in front of a statue in order to proceed.

>one of the bosses is just a recycled one with more HP and weaker version standing in the corner

>recycled horse boss as a regular enemy despite not fitting in at all

>recycled gargoyle boss as a regular enemy despite not fitting in at all

>mastodons, alonne knights, old knights, desert sorceress and mannequins etc etc

good bye lore and aesthetic and hello stale gameplay

>right in the fucking end of the castle, 4 new enemies are found and then never again seen.

At least I had some fun with Looking Glass Knight

My problem is, that it's not because they were running out of assets, they just deliberately made a dumb level. This was supposed to be an important part of the game and they had the tools to at least make it interesting, but it turned out to feel like playing a fucking asset flip.

enough of my autistic ranting

>Favorite boss

Sinh or Fume Knight

honorable mention is executioner chariot

>Most hated boss

Old Iron King

>Favorite weapon

Murakumo

>Fun builds to try out in DS2 SotFS

Dual Caetus.

>>15595951

>Favorite boss

>blue smelter

This is not a real person

>>15602185

I feel a lo of people forget that one of its biggest issues is garbage enemy placement too. There's a solid few sections where the enemies will all just be the same guy who's only attack method is to run at you so they'll get clumped together and you're forced to kite

Okay, is it me or is SotFS garbage, as in way worse than non SotFS DS2 garbage? I just beat the Last Giant and the new enemy placements are really fucking stupid so far. What's with all the zones of projectiles throwing shit at you with regular enemies warming in? Why did they repeat the turtle knight plus explosive barrels around combo so many times? And why do they keep doing that shit of suddenly ambushing you with 4 to 6 guys every time? It's like they saw all the fuck-ups they did with DS2 and decided to make them worse.

>>15602225

Wait until you get to the iron fort, that area got the worst treatment in SotFS

>>15602218

Yeah, especially that stupid fucking Iron Keep.

and the run up to Sir Alonne. that almost ruined the boss for me

>>15602225

The only thing of worth in SotFS is the Aldia dialog, as far as I know

>>15602279

You talk to and fight Aldia in the original release too, thanks to the patch that came out at the same time as SotFS. So there really is nothing worthwhile to be had in the so-called definitive version.

>>15602279

SOTFS is an improvement over the base game. Every area was made more interesting, with the exception of Iron Keep first half.

>>15601533

>>15601554

>>15601575

Get the DSFix, Dark Souls: PTD out of the box is barely fit to render on a PC without it. You might also want the PVP watchdog since PTD has no cheating protections.

After you go through the game consider applying the Rekindled Edition mod; it rebalances the weapons and lets you use pyromancies with certain sorcery catalysts(Izalith and Demon,) among other rebalances and changes.

>>15605053

Stopped reading at the first point because it's just plain wrong.

>>15595636

They also changed around their level design (DS3 gets away with this, and merges DS2 and DS1).

Yeah there was still shortcuts, some level of interconnectedness for a small central area, and so on; however in DS1 it felt like the world interlinked a lot better.

So, firelink shrine "felt" like the central hub area. Majula didn't pull this off, it's was annoying to travel anywhere from majula, and it was fun to travel to anywhere in DS1 from firelink.

DS2 is horribly disconnected compared to DS1, for the most part, and feels… so wrong. The world felt like set-pieces strung together, and lacked the cohesion of DS1 + firelink.

Not to mention the insta-access to fast-travel which is complete and total bullshit. This approach lead to the designers using it as a crutch, designing the world with this in mind, and contributed to the feeling of disconnectedness between central areas.

Running throughout the world of DS1 feels natural, and the routes make sense as a cohesive whole; DS2 felt unnaturally disconnected for a souls game, but DS3 refines the DS2 formula and returning back to the "cohesive whole" DS1 formula (for a collective set of areas so DS2 + DS1 merged level design).

I have some other issues but it's mostly design related, and the point that they abandoned some game design approaches that made DS1 great.

However, they made souls great again with DS3 imo, as they iterated on DS2 with the original DS1 mindset.

Also, DS2 isn't a bad game, but it's certainly not a good souls game.

>>15595457

>memes have no modicum of truth

>the funniest jokes have absolutely tinge of truth

>using toxic unironically

huh

also git gud at game design those complaints are surface level bs; there's a lot more fundamentally wrong with DS2 than that.

2 is the best game in the series, hands down. Anyone saying otherwise is a contrarian faggot who parrots e-celebs.

>>15608355

Prep your bull, hbomber.

Darksouls 2 was a better game than 1

>>15608709

Git gud, fucking shield babbies like you need to learn to stop using lock on and start dodging.

>>15609510

Gib le gub xD, fucking dodge babbies like you need to learn to stop relying on i-frames and start managing stamina

>>15609397

I didn't know Katawa Shoujo even had boss fights.

I just started playing dark souls for the first time a few days ago. I started with Dark Souls remastered and recently began new game+. Is it worth it to get more than 30 vitality after diminishing returns begin? I'm playing as a warrior and don't use magic, stamina is already capped too.

>>15613723

Might as well get it up to 40 or 50 if you don't have anything else more important to level up.

Should I skip Dark Souls II and go straight to III, or is Dark Souls II not as bad as they say it is?

>>15609397

Jeez, thanks for letting me know not to play Katawa Shoujo anytime soon

The Capra Demon is the game journalist killer. I beat it on my third try without ever looking at any guides. The true bosses of the game were the bell tower gargoyles. I felt cheated at how weak Gywn was.

>>15613761

It's fine for one run through offline and that's it. III isn't any better but at least the fundamental gameplay isn't fucked to all hell. Demon's, Dark Souls and Bloodborne are the only marginally good and original ones. Demon's Souls is rough around the edges, but the faster player speed and general dream-like atmosphere really sets it apart. Dark Souls is a very gritty crawl to hollow achievements type of mindset than once you get into it, it's hard to stop. Bloodborne is trying to see if you can sperg out faster than your enemies.

>>15613777

You can always argue that it furthers the theme of the game, but I too would rather have a harder boss then depressed Gwyn

>>15595457

>tor

I don't blame you for not wanting to be associated with that post.

>>15594652

>Favorite Boss

O&S from DS1 and Abyss Watchers from DS3

>Most Hated Boss

Bed of Chaos

>Favorite Weapon

Greatsword

I've also been making some builds for DSR.

https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/609889

https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/609906

>>15594793

>without internal dialogue

Nice cuckchan meme, faggot.

>>15595457

>torposter

>is retarded

Imagine my surprise.

>>15595492

>>15595746

>>15595867

>Waaah! MM showed everyone my favourite game is shit

Stay mad Hbomberguy.

>>15595867

>>15595746

>>15595492

I guess I'll play Dark Souls II next then. I always preferred to two hand and cleave through groups of enemies while trying to one shot them. The shield just slows things down, I've only ever used the grass shield on the back for stamina recovery. I just hope they don't allow stun locking bosses anymore, that made it feel really cheap in the Ornstien and Smough fight with the zweihander.

>>15613780

>III isn't any better

It's better in almost every way.The only thing 2 probably has over 3 is viable build variety.

>>15613761

>is Dark Souls II not as bad as they say it is?

It's terrible. You really have to play it so see how fucked off it is though.

Posted in a meta thread but may as well repeat myself here

Why are honor battles still a thing? I get that multi invasions and ganks are both disgusting ways to play, but they both balance each other by their coexistence. The worst thing to see is also the reds who turn on other invaders to increase gank numbers, it's really just trashy to see; I'm an avid fan of coop and I do love stomping on pesky invaders as a blue-boy mall cop or crushing heretics as aldrich's paladin, but there's that all too common fightclub that I see and I just want to run the host through a thousand times until he can't use any more embers; if they want an honor battle they can fucking go to the DLC and fight not-sif, it's just about the same as far as the experience goes.

Worse yet is most shitters require a minmaxed build to even stand a chance through the game and can't bear something like stray points in other stats.

>tfw you finally beat the Abyss Watchers for the first time

Motherfuckers are annoying as fuck when trying to land backstabs and dodges because the other one always fucks your shit up. His second stage is actually easier than the first.

>>15616932

>having trouble with the easiest lord of cinder in the game

>not understanding how to dodge a heavily choreographed attack

I hope you like enemies who have an entire body for a hitbox.

>>15616980

Their attacks are very heavily telegraphed, but I wouldn't go as far as to saying they are choreographed, seems chaotic as fuck to me, I swear to God sometimes even the third one will decide to attack you for no reason

>>15617001

Meant to say telegraphed but couldn't think of the word

The first attack in the fight will always be to clear distance

Then they do the smash attack to kick up dust, and then they'll either jump away if you're close enough to attack or hunch down and slide towards you. The extras shouldn't be any more difficult than two to five swipes.

>>15616980

>Watchers being easier than Yhorm

Please, you're just trying to sound cool by talking shit when someone mentions having a hard time with a boss. The same shit happens in every Souls discussion anywhere.

>>15617077

>trying to sound cool

I'm giving a shit player shit for having a hard time with the first and easiest lord to fight. Yhorm isn't even a boss really, I don't consider him an actual fight because you just use a separate weapon to kill him; Yhorm is more of a cutscene than a fight.

>>15617008

This not pickle-pee.

>>15605002

>level is designed as nonsensically

but that's ok because it's all a dream. The old lady in the beginning says so.

>>15602225

It's just you

but seriously I don't mind the new enemy placement and appreciate alot of the changes in SotFS. However I mainly got that version because I avoided the DLC in the original and got the redesign of $20, which was $10 cheaper then getting the DLC. /blog post

DS2 is a game with lots of potential…if it they had properly finished it. The main issue people have with DSII are:

>Graphics

>Animations

>Movement

Graphics is a fair point, without a proper reshade, even SotFS looks bad when compared even a properly modified DS1. Animations having more lag/being slower had a the purpose of making the game slower and much more methodical, by making spamming R1 and rolls much more punishable (part of the reason why DS2 is superior). Movement can be fixed with mods.

DS3 on the other hand, is a game were FROM didn't even try to make anything new besides, faster DS1 with better graphics. Thus we ended up with fast food souls, full of references, with nothing worth remembering in the end. But since the game WAS finished, people think DS3 is the better game.

>>15609397

Inputs aren clunky, they might seem that way because you can queue them like in DS1/DS3, were they function more like Neverwinter Knights/KOTOR than a proper action game. So to input another action, you have to wait for the previous animation to finish. Take the increased lag into account and its easy to see why it might seem to be clunky to people who brought muscle memory from the other games in the series.

And about the framerate drops, you probably have something wrong with your installation/setup, DS2 runs by far the best of the 3 on PC.

The rest of your complaints falls down to running like a headless chicken and expecting to come out on top.

>>15617372

> main issue are Graphics, Animations and Movemetn

No, the main issues was Soul Level & awful Map Design and the Adaptability/Agility statistics fucking over low level's from having consistent iFrames. Two of these mechanics actively punished not spending souls to level up and made low level runs insufferably unfun. The whole appeal of "low level" runs was they where proof that that the game was fair and it was just a matter of "getting good". By actively punishing players who chose not to level up sucked all the fun out of DkSII. It was all dune in hopes to discourage twink invasions but ended up fucking up PvP matchmaking and Co-opt.

>>15617452

>>15617372

and as an afterthought, It also made the act of having to retrieve lost souls even more punishing because SL wasn't base on souls spent but on souls earned.

>invade as aldrich faithful

>gank squad

>invade

>gank

>invade

>gank

>players minmaxed to shit with endgame weapons and shithead backstab and run tactics

I fucking hate the cancer that festers around anor londo.

>>15617480

All the Souls games are solved at this point, and it's trivially easy to go through the game at a low soul/weapon level or get a friend/stranger to dump some high tier shit for you.

>>15617452

>>15617458

Totally correct. soul memory fucking you over if you ever lost souls was especially awful. In any of the other Souls games losing souls was annoying but not the end of the world, but in DS2I'd have to contemplate abandoning a character entirely depending on how many souls they lost.

SM also fucked the shit out of co-op making the game seem prematurely dead because the chances of someone in your SM range having their sign down were astronomical.

Don't even get me started on the stupidity of not having a complete red eye orb in the game and the shitty arena.

>>15617525

Just because you can be an asshole doesn't mean you should; I literally only covenant for the fucking items it gives, I don't understand why the process has to be made tedious by faggots being niggers

>>15595377

>At release 2 had the best build variety in

Sorry, resonant mundane santier havelyn was build variety? Are you really saying that?

>>15617532

One of my favorite things in DkS1 was haveing a verity of characters. One was a low level sl1 character that eventually became a dickwrath and One would be a low level Sunbro who would help players and fight against dickwraths. Then I would have a verity level version of Co-op Help/ Invasion characters and One PVP character. Dark Souls 2 made camping boss's to co-op help impossible because SM would quickly push your character out of range. I don't know about you but I always have my "favorite" co-op bosses in souls games.

Unfortunately only Demon's Souls did matchmaking perfectly but having to escort a character through a full level, while being hunted was the only proper way to co-opt. But its always people crying about griefing ruining all the fun.

>>15617826

BB is a great game and iirc the Co-Op worked fine but PvP is the most shit out of all of them. I think the balance was good but getting match going was a pain is due to bell maidens. You can only invade in areas with Bell Maidens and if the player kills it then there is no PvP. But I don't have PSN aside from the first free mount so I don't really know if they ever fixed it.

I'm just replaying Dark Souls and only now I realized the Moonlight Greatsword is a reference to LoZ A Link to the Past. I feel stupid for not realizing this sooner.

What other weapons are references to other games/anime? So far I got

>Greatsword = Berserk

>Curved Dragon Sword = Inuyasha

>>15621238

relatively early, specially on PC where SM did nothing to stop hackers from making greifing toons to fuck your shit up.

>>15622558

Men don't cry stop being such a whiny bitch.