/v/ - Video Games

>>15591270

Archive it, nigger.

>>15591275

https://archive.fo/UlC9t

Use the catalog

>>15544245

Does this practically mean anything?

>>15591305

Chinese don't have subs but pay by the hour or something.

>>15591270

What do they consider a secondary purchase?

>>15591386

that probably means something like"with your purchase of this overwatch skin, you get a free month of WoW: BfA"

>>15591395

So that's…around 1,275,000 real subs? Pretty devastating, if true.

>theyre still making around 30 million PER MONTH from this shit

Unbelievable. Blizzard got so lucky with WoW. The fate of the company was decided by the launch of that game

>>15591270

They desperately hide the real active user count to avoid the domino effect of others leaving when they see the numbers. Same story with Overwatch.

>>15591319

That WoW's death is closer than you think.

The next expansion will be its last and from then on the game will likely enter some kind of F2P hell.

>>15591446

>>15591395

This is why they are bringing classic servers, but it's too late now.

Everyone has already moved on and the only people interested are the die-hard addicts who are not that many in number.

>>15591471

Despite /v/'s memes, old Blizz had some redeeming qualities, but with WoW's release everything went down the shitter almost overnight.

1,700,000 people is still a fucking ludicrous amount of people for a game this bad.

>>15591471

They got lucky with pretty much everything. Starcraft, Overwatch, everything they did printed them money

No wonder Vanila is coming out. Do you thing they fuck whit classic or will they just relase how it was?

>>15591360

Like that would stop those scummy fucks from counting them.

>>15591565

Not really. I mean it's not even 1.7 million. As I just posted, it could be as low as 1.2-1.3 million. But, in addition to that, I could point to a half dozen Jap gacha games that probably have more dedicated players than WoW right now. Let alone, back to the normal sphere of gaming, the kind of traffic you see with the latest genres of the month. Right now it's Overwatch, Fortnite and so on. How many of those WoW players play every day? Just because you have a sub doesn't mean you are actually using it.

I would play it if they didn't cap mythic raids to 20, fuck you blizzkikes

>>15591535

current WoW could remain a skeleton for years to come in the same way RS3 manages to keep on chugging on while osrs does the heavy lifting. Although blizzard is extremely late as usual, their vanilla cashgrab is likely to succeed regardless of how many fuckups they may have along the way thanks to their fanbase and their willingness to throw their wallets at them.

I would want blizzard to crash and burn as much as the next guy but we live in a world where EA still exists so it probably isn't gonna happen without some extreme circumstances

>>15591571

Diablo 3, Starcraft 2, Heroes of poz or whatever are dead.

>>15591600

Being dead now doesn't mean much though. I remember when Diablo 3 launched it broke the world record of being the most selling game on launch day. That and SC2 still brought a lot of money in, maybe that heroes game and hearthstone failed, I don't know much about them

>>15591585

>>15591565

And one must remenber that we are talking about OFFICIAL Wow, because in reality, there are a shitload of people playing Wow even today…but its in private servers that Blizzard doesnt get even one shekel!. Why the hell one would pay to play Wow, when it can get it for free, in almost whatever version of it it likes, and if possible, even the drop/xp rates for it. Isnt what people here do when people say they play Wow?

Since the Wow server code was leaked, Blizzard hemmorraged a shitload of potential cashcows and casuals alike. And with actaul Wow going more to shit, well, in the first place, one should look for better alternatives to Wow, but if one really likes wow, migh as well go to whatver populated enought private server there ones likes.

>>15591613

> hearthstone failed,

Its gatcha shit, even if nobody plays it there are still whales.

>>15591613

Fun fact: Diablo 3 only did well because people who resubbed for WoW that year got a free copy. When the expansion pack came out you saw the real numbers of who was still playing which was barely a tenth of the original's base.

>>15591627

There's a difference between having a lot of whales and a few.

>>15591613

Blizzard games still do well enough, but they aren't the powerhouse they were about 10 years ago. They are on a decline but it will take a long time before they are in serious trouble.

Does this matter? I expect not, considering the nature of the anon

http://archive.is/jAXO0

This is also why instancing and phasing is fucking everywhere in the game now. If you're on a dead server, it will put you with other players from other servers in the same area. It's rare to actually see a fellow player of your server anymore. All this is to hide the fact that nobody fucking plays this trash anymore.

>>15591667

>there's a sense of brotherhood with people on your server

>you regularly see the same people in PVP or the dungeons

>get in a guild and make friends to speed shit along

>matchmaking update comes out

>everyone just hits two buttons, speeds through a dungeon and never sees each other again

>now people you'll never see again steal your bear asses and bug kills

What's the point of a fucking MMO if the social aspect only slows you down?

WoD going from >10 million to 5 million between November it launched and 3 months later brought on the pay sub using gold; which I have doubts about the legitimacy of (they can pretend people are paying cash for your gold to keep the game more populated).

Legion had 1.4 million max level characters in NA about 6 months after it launched. That's characters not even accounts, possibly doubled to include EU and nobody should give a fuck about chinks.

BfA has around 3 million max level characters NA+EU. Again characters not accounts. I have 3 and I'm not subbed. Even the shittiest people on moon guard I know had at least 2.

1.7 million is completely accurate and it's only going to go down barring major changes in devs; like adding flying and changing classes back to what they were at literally any other point in time (preferably MoP).

Add flying.

Change classes back to MoP.

Remove scaling in all forms including mythic plus.

Bring back currencies.

Congrats you just made an extra billion dollars a year.

>>15591633

Well it probably has a lot of whales.

>>15591714

My penile to be quite frank.

>>15591631

It still boggles my mind how D3 managed to sell over 30m copies total just due to hype & marketing. I tried the free version of it that blizzard hands out these days and its such an ugly looking game. I never bothered with it on release but compared to PoE, GD or TL2 the actual d2 successor managed to be the most underwhelming diablo clone out of all of them. 30 fucking million sold just what the fuck

>>15591748

That just proves it even more. This is what nepotism, and greed turns a company into.

>>15591748

Shit nigger, turns out the holocaust actually did happen, Rabbi Bergenblattowitz told me so. :^)

>>15591748

I'm not a liar.

t. local liar

>>15591739

Meh. I'd say Blackthorne is their best game and they were Blizzard then. But they weren't the pozzed niggerfaggot Blizzard that appealed to the lowest common denominator then, so in a way the point still stands

>>15591748

They dement anything regarding sub numbers, even of the rumor would be good, like the 10 million last year.

They don't want to show of subs to anyone at all since they fear another WoD drop and shareholders might get pissy at Ion if that were to happen.

>>15591739

The lost vikings was blizzard i loved that game?

>assblasted blizzcuck can't derail a thread besmirching his master's good name no matter how hard he tries

>>15591748

>just because servers feel so dead that Blizzard is psuedo-merging them, has cross-server for everything including guilds, stopped reporting subscription numbers, introduced tokens to milk whales and killed PVP servers so they can be merged with PVE ones doesn't mean WoW is dying!

These addicts are pathetic.

>>15591769

>>15591772

>>15591776

>>15591778

>spamming for dubs

>still fails

>>15591748

SHUT IT DOWN

>>15591789

>has cross-server for everything including guilds

Holy fuck, it's in a more pathetic state than I imagined.

>>15591621

Private server players don't come close to these numbers. Not by a long shot.

>>15591802

reminder that you can just use bots and modify values to play the game entirely in single player if player count is such an issue

>>15591621

which Wow server code was leaked and when? I'm kinda new to this stuff

>>15591811

WoW classic doesn't even need to do that well to be justified. All it needs is to make more money than what the shut down servers have lost and they could just repurpose them all into more realms for each expansion.

>>15591811

I too want to be optimistic about blizzard falling into obscurity but jagex have an incredible record of massive fuckups that shattered their community in the past and osrs is now doing better than ever player-wise. The quality of the game is in the shitter but they're making money and that's what counts for them. Blizzard, as retarded as they are did not manage to fuck up their original game as swiftly as jagex has so I'm still inclined to believe that classic is gonna make them wads of dosh.

A whole lot of companies and games should not fucking exist right now, a proper crash could clean most of it out so its worth keeping your fingers crossed

>deleting your own posts out of cowardice and humiliation

you're the biggest loser on 8ch right now :)

>>15591902

Wasn't Elliot from USA and Breivik from Norway? EU and USA servers are different

>>15591561

archive.fo is an alternative of that archive site, what the fuck is up with you?

>>15591927

If you bothered to click on the link you would realize I was talking about the poster on twitter, no anon.

>>15591935

That? That's a dummy account making fun of Elon musk, guys like him only do that for attention.

I've never in my life ever really been fond of MMO's, except for WW2 Online way way back in like 2002-2003

>>15591744

Never underestimate good marketing and the jews that is Activision Blizzard.

Reminder that on PC Overwatch also frequently has less active players than fucking CSS

Reminder that excluding consoles more people play diablo 2 at any given time than diablo 3.

So when did Blizz stop releasing sub numbers and was it even a good reason?

>>15592107

At this point, I think more people play Paladins than Overwatch, and more people play Path of Exile than Diablo 3.

>>15592113

They stopped around WoD after they were losing over 100,000 subs every four months

>>15592076

People who make stuff like fan games and unofficial programs always cuck out immediately whenever there's the slightest bit of pressure.

>>15592204

With roughly ten times the marketing and infrastructure cost.

>>15592185

Imagine being such a faggot that you turn into a shill for Blizzard.

>>15592185

I'm guessing there was a threat of legal action.

>>15592252

If there was it would be bogus. More likely this cuck wanted an in working there and they threatened to blacklist him.

>>15591952

>elon musk isn't reddit-tier garbage.

ok… then.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out >>>/reddit/

>>15592185

If the numbers are false then what are the real numbers Blizz?

>>15592252

He implied there may have been legal threats, which is why he deleted the tweets. Given the posts in other places with retractions in bold I guess the Blizzard legal bullies have been doing the rounds. But the questions remains, the api released metrics they did not want out and they patched it as fast as they could, if the data was bullshit why the panic stations.

>>15591270

How much longer until it shuts down all private servers via mass C&D as it goes F2P, followed by Blizzard killing it entirely with no fanfare 1-2 years later after reaching Lawbreakers' average player numbers?

The numbers aren't exact, that's why Blizzard is saying the number is wrong without providing the real number. That's such a sad, Jewish strategy.

>>15592431

So you're saying the subs are actually lower?

>>15592431

The numbers make sense though because didn't the expansion sell around 3 mil?

>>15592125

This seems accurate, shouldn't investors demand that blizzard shows their sub numbers? why would you invest in a stock when you don't even know how good their games are doing?

>>15592296

Why not report their real subs if they are not true? best way to remove all doubt it to show some 'official sub numbers'. Guess they can't because if they Lie they might get investigated by SEC and if they tell the truth it's not that far off from that number.

>>15591739

Since when is Starcraft 1, Warcraft 2, Diablo 1 not one of their best?

>>15592554

Actually liked warcraft 1 more than warcraft 2. warcraft 2 feels clunky in comparison.

>>15592576

Aww shit I forgot to spoiler.

>>15592576

delet this

>>15592576

post more

>>15592571

Based Asmongold tells it like it is.

If they want to save their dead game they should go back to WOTLK pre patch before the lfg shit.

I wonder if wow classic will safe their game would be funny if wow classic will get more active players than their current version of the game.

>>15592566

I'm going to assume you meant to type 3 instead of 1.

>>15592566

The first one really is the best, it's simple yet elegant.

>>15592576

>>15592588

I agree with Hitler; not like this thread can get any shittier as-is.

>>15591386

with in game gold you can buy a wow token (that costs like 13bucks, the same as a month's subscription) and you can use that token to pay for your subscription

so i'd assume those secondary purchases don't make them any money

>>15592576

quit shitting up the thread you faggot

>>15592596

Indeed. Warcraft 2 is jarring in how they made ranged people absolutely useless when a grunt makes 4-5 swings in the time an axethrower makes one, and every swing hits, as compared to miss chance in wc1.

>>15592591

Nah, warcraft 3 built itself on the stupid "if you fight your enemies they win" trudeau line by having arthas become what he hated most. very silly. then they cucked him later on by killing him off, instead of him fulfilling his manifest destiny and turning Azeroth into his personal vessel to conquer galaxies with, his Frozen Legions verses the Burning Legions. Total lack of imagination is just one of many factors responsible for blizzard's current predicament.

>>15592617

Any thread about wow is automatically shit.

>>15592636

> by having arthas become what he hated most

Have you not experienced this yourself? I actually love the plot of WC3 despite the muh noble savages stuff they had with the orcs because it told the tragedy of Arthas so well. I can completely relate as I too have become the thing past me would have hated. obviously not on the same level as a paladin becoming a death knight but you get my point I hope.

>>15592636

Mind you, I actually like Arthas, albeit stupid origin story. They really did cuck him hard in WotLK. End of WC3, Arthas, while poisoned by a traitor's arrow, manages to defeat Illidan at the apex of his might, thus illustrating the superiority of the "will to power" individual versus the cuckold antihero who spends all day saying "i'm doing what must be done," rather than pursuing destiny. And then dead in WotLK for the sake of expansion bux.

>>15592658

>Have you not experienced this yourself?

Not yet anon. I have not become nigger or jewish, as of this moment in time.

>>15592669

REMEMBER THE SIXTY GORILLION SUBS GOY

>>>15592474

>sold more than 3.4 million copies of the add-on worldwide on launch day

most people stopped playing the first month though when they realized that there is nothing to do at lv 120

>>15592658

I will say that I've changed into accepting force as a very necessary means of establish power, which I'll grant I would never have done when I was younger, believing more in the "market of ideas." I wouldn't say it was a concept I "hated" though, since I always liked the military, and still do even though they fight for Israel. Even knowing that, I've considered joining, since every prominent Fascist has had a military background, because they needed to know how to fight to establish themselves against foes who are MORE than willing to silence you by any means necessary. Here's a better response to your post, the first one was a knee-jerk because I was thinking of what I actually hated at the time, heh.

I just had the best wank(unrelated to thread) in weeks and it was so good I feel the need to tell you all.

>>15592716

Congrats man.

>>15591545

>tfw i've never played this game

You're wrong there, kiddo. To know gaming you have to try lots outside your comfort zone, else you end up like american film enthusiasts who are really just watchers of 80s movie. Like it or not, WOW changed the history of PC gaming.

>>15592658

>>15592658

>I actually love the plot of WC3 despite the muh noble savages stuff they had with the orcs because it told the tragedy of Arthas so well.

>tragedy of Arthas

I don't even call it a tragedy to be honest. For one, he became infinitely mightier than he ever would have become had he remained a paladin. Case in point, Uther, arguably the greatest paladin to ever exist, was easily consumed by Arthas. Next, going by WotLK canon, Arthas re-learned and PERFECTED the art of resurrection of the dead. In WC2, death knights could also be raised, but they only maintained a skeleton, whereas Arthas's death knights maintained the exact form they had maintained while they "lived," albeit with blue eyes instead. Next, the risen dead had IMMORTALITY, provided they weren't broken by violent means or special ritual, as compared to the fleeting existence of the living. They were given many mighty gifts, including command of their own thralls, on the sole condition that loyalty to the Lich King was absolute. Additionally, pity, remorse, and mercy were removed from them that way they could do what needed to be done. Honestly if you wanted to go WH40K'ey with it, Arthas would have become the "God Emperor," and everyone else that remained were godless heathens.

>>15592719

Yeah nah, that point came and went when I didn't take the offer to go to Westpoint at 18 because I scored so high on the standardized tests for both ASVAB and ACT. I'm way too old now to take that offer back up. Wish I'd taken it now, but that's how it goes.

>>15592735

It was before my pol time, so I would have just been a standard conservative. I would have fit in without being a volatile asset. Sorry, I should have clarified, I misunderstood the original post.

>>15592739

Ohh, I see what you mean. No, there's definitely some truth to the "stare into the abyss long enough and it stares back." I've reached a point where I am perfectly fine making alliances with all extremists, including militant communists or islamic militants, provided their guns are aimed at the current western liberal powers that are responsible for flooding the earth with soul poisoning hollywood propoganda and forcefully miscegenating their own citizens by making it state/corporate mandate that they be brought in to dwell there.

I believe the numbers because it falls in line with the wax and wane cycle that has followed for the last three or so expansions that I've followed. You get a flurry of server activity just before the expansion. Then an explosion of activity for the first month or so. Dead zones are now filled. People are actively working through content. Outside of this board, people talk about how great the expansion is.

Then as the content runs out, everybody leaves. This occurs in 2-3 months in and those who stay or join in are either the no-lifers or the late comers. Its the same cycle I've seen in FFXIV and I would argue that theres a cycle within a cycle. That cycle being as the content comes out year after year, less overall people return. More so when design decisions are made that polarize the subscribers in addition to entertaining them less and less. WoW is over 10 years at this point, I would not be shocked with 3.2 million at expansion launch and 1.7 million as of that tweet.

Of course Blizzard is going to say those numbers are false one way or another because the truth is likely not a good look either way. If the current numbers were good, you would have smug press releases showing the figures. They will never do that aside from expansion sales (while they remain profitable) because the game's sub peak was during Wrath and its only downhill until the end. The game is profitable in the same way COD is profitable. The engine and structure is all there. All you have to do is add more content to the skeleton and thats cheap as fuck compared to building a new IP from scratch. There are less customers than last year, but enough to warrant the venture. The big tell for

By the way, the subscriber number with explode again briefly once Vanilla is brought back. How much and for how long will depend on the details.I don't even play WoW anymore, but I find the game's lifespan interesting to follow in the same way I pay attention to the aftermath of #GG.

>>15592768

>Outside of this board, people talk about how great the expansion is.

wat, every single place from mmo-champ to leddit have been shitting over bfa

>>15592768

It's really incredible how they manage to release expansions that have even less features than previous expansions, which leads to reduced the reduced subs. Professions used to mean something, now all they do is grant the necessary consumables/enchants for raids, and the rest is for transmogs, since the content you would want the gear to be able to run is the only content that drops the items necessary to craft that gear. It's amazing how the gear you can craft from, say, a mythic dungeon is worse than the mythic dungeon's drops, so there's just not point in it.

Not to mention the fun class-specific portion of legion being shot in the head. You wouldn't think you'd miss such a feature, but you do when it's sniped with no replacement. Anyways, I'm fine being done with it myself too, it used to be fun once when everything didn't feel like a gigantic grind to get to endgame.

>>15592804

>It's really incredible how they manage to release expansions that have even less features than previous expansions.

I wondered the same thing instead of creating features that are future proof they create these systems that only last one expansion like garrisons and artifact weapons and then copy the worst of it in next expansion.

Even pet battles are better implemented than those systems.

>>15592828

>I wondered the same thing instead of creating features that are future proof they create these systems that only last one expansion like garrisons and artifact weapons

Yeah, I don't know why they destroy current content when a future expansion rolls out. I assume it's some retarded notion of egalitarianism for people who sat expansions out, because heaven forbid when you did all that work for it in that expansion you should continue to be rewarded for it in future content. Seriously, make it so that gold can continue to be rewarded from garrison missions and legion missions, or at the least that vendor trash from these is actually worth something and not just literal coppers (in the case of WoD garrison.)

>>15592842

I have those friends too, only one of them has shifted to Overwatch now and only plays WoW when there's a new expansion.

>>15592828

>>15592857

They actually think the limited time seasonal shit works in a game built around long term investment. In short, they're retarded.

>>15592857

they can't keep giving out gold for garrison missions because you make a killing with that and then instead of paying for your sub you buy a token

alright faggots, its mmo thread now, in what game i can play as skeleton

>>15592905

You are playing real like as a skeleton right now.

>>15592864

the threads are locked now

>>15592923

i wish i was

>>15592923

But meat armor build is the only available build, what about those who want to do naked runs?

>>15592934

>not speccing into anorexia and daddy's money for maximum attention per second

>>15592939

the only build that is meta is the Luck based merchant build but it's too expensive to minmax and you need to be the right race to play

>>15592954

>minmaxing on a RP server

>>15592934

>>15592939

>>15592954

stop shitposting imediatelly and help me play as skeleton, this is very important

>>15592963

Just buy your noggenfogger like a good goy and quit complaining.

>>15592969

thats not how that works

thats not how any of this works

imaging playing world of warcraft in 2018

imaging playing world of warcraft in 2017

imaging playing world of warcraft in 2016

imaging playing world of warcraft in 2015

imaging playing world of warcraft in 2014

imaging playing world of warcraft in 2013

imaging playing world of warcraft in 2012

imaging playing world of warcraft in 2011

imaging playing world of warcraft in 2010

imaging playing world of warcraft in 2009

imaging playing world of warcraft in 2008

imaging playing world of warcraft in 2007

imaging playing world of warcraft in 2006

imaging playing world of warcraft in 2005

imaging playing world of warcraft in 2004

imagine killing yourself

>>15593022

you dont find good mmo, because there is not a single one, so atleast we could play as skeleton

>>15592987

but who took the pic?

>>15593031

i would hold phone in my mouth to take that picture

>>15593052

you dont need to stick whole phone in your mouth

Is Overwatch dead too? Since Fortnite became meme game of the year it seems everyone forgot it exists.

>>15593059

what means dead game? because if you click play and will play in less than minute i wouldnt consider it dead, i bet there is more people streaming overwatch right now on twitch that max players at one time that played that game from cuck, i fucking forgot its name

>>15593059

>Is Overwatch dead too?

Not in the porn industry.

>>15593059

It has its core of hardcore fans who use it as a way to pose as gamers.

>>15593022

>Nibba

stop that shit, we're free to say nigger here.

>>15593031

Shooped, right hand has fucked lightning.

>>15593442

>I'll never understand normalfags.

It's actually really simple. Normalfags are that way because they're psychologically dependent on the blue pill; they've lived on it their whole lives, so they still believe things like

>authorities can be trusted

>most people are basically good

>jews are their greatest allies

>everything is exactly as it appears and everything is not hiding some sort of ulterior motive behind it

If they ever had to consider the possibility that any one of those things was false, that would deal such a debilitating blow to their mental theory of reality, their worldview. It would drive them to depression, probably drug-fueled to the extent that they'd strongly consider suicide. If Blizzard was lying to them about subscription numbers, what else are they - or other such institutions - lying to them about? If someone as reputable to them as Blizzard could lie to them so casually like that, what does that mean for anybody else they used to trust? Government? Family? Friends? Women? Jews?

That's a huge fucking redpill to swallow. And all you guys here swallowed that and know how hard it was to swallow. Normalfags can't abide the thought.

>>15591757

I really liked throne of thunder

>>15593442

>I'll never understand normalfags.

They lack the fundamental mental patterns necessary for proper discrimination. They essentially cannot tell things apart and cannot assess them for themselves. Therefore, not being able to guide their own minds, to engineer their own motion, they must resort to the only other alternative which is to follow someone else's. This practically results in following a perceived authority, whether it be the collective they are closest to's opinion, or simply an individual that they perceive as knowing his shit. Subtleties exist but this is the core of the phenomenon. Normalfags cannot assert self-control because they lack self-awareness, they can only follow and be programmed by external influences. Which of course makes them prone to manipulation.

>>15592204

>2005 was 13 years ago

damn…

>>15592818

>furries

into the oven with your kind

>>15592590

Did not expect to see such a well thought-out criticism of WoW. Lots of his arguments can be applied to other vidya as well. Games turning into slot machine RNG-heavy lootboxfests really makes it difficult to care about character progression in most modern vidya

>>15593754

You're not going to stop posting this bait, are you?

>>15592995

>with forced socialization.

if only that were true

>>15593779

>>15593758

splatoon2 and csgo are pretty fun. he posted a different version of the image it seems; the one he (or they, since probably multiple anons posting it) usually posts lists a bunch of ASSFAGGOTS games as the "just play these instead".

>>15593758

gays gtfo

>>15593754

I like those games but they're kind of all different types of games than Overwatch. You might as well have clicked "random" on MobyGame's site.

Recently uninstalled all of my Blizzard games. Having withdrawals but holding strong.

>>15593754

>CSGO

>6 years old

>still no chat filter and full of aspies

>still the only decent game around for pvp

>>15593802

i miss CS:S and dedicated/player-made servers. feels bad.

>>15593797

>Third person shooter

>Third person shooter

>First person shooter

>Third person shooter

But still, do you have any other recommendations?

>>15593806

Play Sky Gunner on PS2 instead of any of those

>>15592690

Do you have that gif of Li li stroking a cock that is cummin inside her? I saw it on e621 a while ago but it got deleted for some reason.

>>15592125

The last number in WoD was before an entire year of Hellfire Citadel. There was way more of a drop there, then a spike at legion launch and another drop to probably 1.5 million at tail end of that before going up for BfA launch.

>>15592255

It's pretty obvious if you spend any time reading there or the forum that Blizz employees are astroturfing. Force complaints into a single discussion where your employees pretend they disagree and then spam lolrandom penguin of doom threads to drown the board.

>>15592439

Lower by the minute.

>>15592658

I stopped playing when I was forced to slaughter Stratholme. It was where I realized it was no longer even rts and wondered what the fuck happened.

>>15592768

I have mild interest in playing vanilla but not if it is tied to regular sub like I am hearing it will be. Having it look like you support the current shit is going to piss off literally every single person that wants vanilla back.

>>15592828

If they'd done actual player housing they could have been up to 30 million subs by now and jewed them all on cosmetic shit the entire time.

It's very obvious why everything between expansions is always disjointed and not continued, gameplay, story, everything. They have 2 dev teams (or most of 2). One group doesn't know what the other is going to do during their 2 years of gameplay and has to make what they do completely independent. That's why you don't see major NPCs for entire expansions, why the gameplay changed inexplicably and the story makes no fucking sense. BfA was obviously the 'intern' group that did WoD and Cataclysm (see how disconnected these both were from the regular story/game?).

>>15591810

Nothing was leaked.

>>15593900

>If they'd done actual player housing they could have been up to 30 million subs by now and jewed them all on cosmetic shit the entire time.

It actually hurts. Even in Vanilla I was kind of questioning why Blizzard was putting so much development time into raids when tier .5 armor was pretty much the only stuff being offered to anyone not raiding. Back when only 1% of the population was seeing content that obviously took hundreds of thousands of dollars to develop I was asking why they weren't implementing more robust elements to allow better immersion in the world. If only I could tell my younger self it would never get any better.

This is why the wow 'vanilla' is destined to fail. Because what version of vanilla could it possibly be? The version where most specs in the game were literally useless? When you could only have 8 debuffs total on a mob? Shit like that might fly (barely) on private servers where aging fans are trying to od on nostalgia, but once it's ugly reality is strewn about for the masses to see they will realize that WoW was never any good.

I look forward to it.

>>15593988

Vanilla wow is just the first of a long line of remasters and "reimaginings" of the original WoW. Instead of WoW 2, we'll be getting ten years of remastered WoW expansions. Be excited.

>>15592131

Blizz has been cracking down on them latley tough. They restricted any group finder addons since finding people who did the same mundane shit as you was too easy, which hurt their "time played"-metric.

>>15592252

No need for that.

It's blizz-fanboys, mental children who will jump at the first chance to defned their beloved masters and restrict any questioning of the given status quo.

>"YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WANT, YOU WANT WHAT WE GIVE YOU"

They made this retard ceo, btw.

what is up with wow fags and tying the games identity to its sub count? I mean FFXI's most populated server has like 3k (generous estimate probably), at peak, and that game is infinitely better than nu-wow and still prints money despite the low playerbase.

Meanwhile on wow the drones literally just talk about sub numbers so they can fellate their corporate overlords as if they actually play on a server with x millions of people.

My take is that the drones have to slurp on blizz and the sub numbers because they are deathly afraid of the game being shutdown if it doesnt have subs in the millions constantly because activision wants to print money but only when its ALOT OF MONEY at once, they'd just as soon shut down wow and make them work on something else if it dips below a certain amount. Other than this scenario I don't get why people tie the games identity to its sub number, I mean other than they have nothing else to defend about this shit game

>>15594116

It shouldn't be that surprising there's a whole population of "status" gamers out there who judge games based on how many other people play them. While there is some merit to this view with MMOs past a certain threshold it's kind of silly. In most games you won't ever interact with >95% of the playerbase. Hell, a significant portion don't even speak your language.

>>15592901

And now he's on the Overwatch team.

>>15593812

I don't. Sorry.

>>15594116

It's because ActiBlizzard are vainglorious retards who have spent the last decade expecting WoW subs to only ever increase and have invested in a way to compensate for that.

>>15594396

also corruption

>>15592295

>the real number

Probably lower.

words cannot describe how bady blizzard fucked up when they went sjw

choosing randi harpers over old school fans was an epic mistake, but then again, you can say the same thing about this entire globo-corporation that just decided to fuck everything up for political reasons but seriously, Blizzard in particular fucked up mega, they trashed an entire fucking alternative entertainment eco system with their stupidity

>>15594431

Nobody's crying you illiterate spic.

>>15594447

>like all Blood Elven women, she's a huge slut.

This is true. Gotta celebrate all life and that. Truly the anti-incel goddess.

>>15591270

The day WoW finally dies, we may have the tiniest chance of actually tolerable, non-WoW Clone MMOs to come out. Then again, perhaps it's best to have it all burn down.

>>15594472

You kidding? The moment WoW kicks the bucket there will be an arms race of new WoW clones to fill the void.

>>15594477

FFXIV already has a head-start on them all.

>>15594484

That won't stop them. As far as they're concerned Japanese games don't exist.

>>15591613

I have to admit I got D3 on launch because I considered it to be a "safe" game. I mean how do you fuck up Diablo? Turns out you make it like WoW. That was also the last time I took competency for granted.

>>15594504

The grand irony is they're killing WoW by making it more like D3.

>>15594504

I'll cop to the same mistake. I just expected them to have at least a few competent developers left, I mean how hard is it to make a isometric hack and slash looter?

>>15594626

Some good parts from d3 but later it becomes gambling machine. Every gained item is random, sometimes from the pool of hundreds of items. Less than 1% chance to get what you want. So if you want to get full set of useful items (or some cosmetic items) you need to spend literally hundreds of hours to get them. This is where gametime comes from, not from some "I lost 15 seconds while finding group for this quest". And quests are now mostly useless anyway unless you dont have maxed rep. Also I am not sure where worst gambling was 1st. Sure in diablo every item was random, but there were no "super" versions of items at the start. Now diablo has legendary/super legendary/super duper legendary versions of items so your chances to get what you want dont fucking exist. I think pandaland was 1st to introduce random upgrades to items. Right now you can get better items from normal raid than from mythic raid if you lucky. And best items only rewarded to lucky people, not the best players who do hardest content. What the fucking point of doing hardest content if lucky noob who cant even read before doing the boss gets better reward?

>>15594424

They didnt. They are just your regular terrible writers with self inserts and plot twists which are always old gods stolen from lovecraft, always. Although it feels like every second character is a female. Not sure if I would prefer males with their cringy as fuck writing.

Their main market is china (and they are owned by china) so they dont really want to inject sjw crap in it.

>>15594106

Not really. People do want contradictory things. Do you really think people will enjoy "grind mobs for 2 levels because there are no quests"? Or "kill one mob at a time because you cant survive 2 of them"? Or grinding mats for every raid like crazy. Or one button rotations would be great.

>>15594068

>Blizz has been cracking down on them latley tough. They restricted any group finder addons since finding people who did the same mundane shit as you was too easy, which hurt their "time played"-metric.

Not exactly. Its because these addons somehow killed performance of their servers. And instead of fixing their shit they just killed the convenience addons.

>>15594504

>>15594646

The Median mod for D2 is a far better D3 than D3 ever was.

Y'all should check it out if you were underwhelmed by D3 and just wanted a better D2.

>>15594960

Median is not really close to d2, its more of endgame for diablo 2/challenge mode. Grim dawn is the closest thing to d2 right now. Poe is allright, but devs are incompetent and game has too many problems which are never fixed. Grim dawn is good all around alternative. The only problem is that grim dawn might be a bit slower than average diablo2 and skills are lamer.

If you like minmaxing you better play path of building instead of game.

But median is great too, they could make their own game instead of building some shit on top of d2 engine. They just recently broke it so now game has more than 128 areas. And mod is improving a lot. They squished damage values so its not ridiculous numbers now, movespeed was reduced so you are not running at sanic speeds all the time. And soon there will be new big update which will bring interface update and other important shit. Hel, they might even pull a fucking guildhouses if they keep at it.

>>15594484

offtopic, but is FFXIV worth getting into?

by that i mean, does it have:

<semi-unique classes that don't all feel the same

<fun stuff to do at max level/endgame

<decent difficulty, where you can't just buttonmash and steamroll equal-level mobs and bosses

<no p2w whatsoever

>>15595035

I haven't updated it in a while but I remember they were still trying to get those new areas in last I checked and having trouble. That's pretty cool that they finally figured that out, I'll have to get that sometime soon. I just hope savegames will be compatible cause I'm really sick of having to start new games all the time.

Thx for suggestion too, gonna look into it later when I have the time

>>15595107

No on all accounts except maybe the last one. It's your typical daily grind meta bullshit rollercoaster like every post 2007 online game and only remotely worth it for the porn, which itself doesn't come near what was being made for FFXI.

>>15595144 (check'd)

that's disappointing. i've got an MMO itch still, but every single one i find is either shit (gw2, nu-WoW, apparently ffxiv too), dead and full of bots (gw1), or i've already played all the content that there is (vanilla WoW on pserver).

thinking about giving FFXI a shot, since back in the day i heard that the difficulty was very high, and apparently there's still a few thousand players keeping it alive. we'll see tho.

>>15594960

I've played Median. It isn't my favorite D2 mod. I don't particularly like a lot of the skill designs. I prefer more low key mods that add stuff without compromising the core of the game, because D2 has really, really solid fundamentals.

>>15595246

I can't recommend FFXI, either retail or on private servers. That game's prime passed over a decade ago and it will never come back.

Game that turns beloved fantasy world into a sci-fi, time traveling, space ship flying, laser shooting, alien fighting comic book simulator is losing subs? Oh no.

>>15595107

><semi-unique classes that don't all feel the same

Kinda, most classes are different enough.

><fun stuff to do at max level/endgame

Most raids are pretty fun.

><decent difficulty, where you can't just buttonmash and steamroll equal-level mobs and bosses

there is practically no difficulty until late game Extreme mode.

><no p2w whatsoever

Cash shop but its only for cosmetics, no real combat bonuses.

It's been around since 2005.

Everything comes to an end eventually.

Warhammer Online was the real deal though.

>>15594960

Median is a godawful mod, I can't believe people enjoy that shit, it just throws constant garbage on the screen backlit by a vomit inducing array of colors. Proves that more is not better. Path of Exile falls into the same trap with More Particles and Effects being their answer to covering the age of their models. People just can't make a tasteful ARPG anymore.

>>15595107

The others are correct, but I'll add my own response too.

<semi-unique classes that don't all feel the same

There will be a level of sameyness at lower levels until they really start getting into their niche. I'd say this is around level 30, but the class probably won't be fun until level 50; 70 is the max.

The crafting and gathering classes all play the same though. However you're incentivized to get them all up since there are different skills that can be used across classes (combat classes used to be this way too, but they scrapped that unfortunately).

Lastly I'll say part of the appeal of the game is you can switch classes anytime outside of combat (not in dungeons) by equipping the main hand of a different class; which can be bound to a single button on your hotbar.

<fun stuff to do at max level/endgame

For one there are dungeon roulettes that give extra rewards. They'll be around from a low level, but the rewards change as you level up and reach max. You're incentivised to do these at max level for currency to buy endgame gear. Beyond that there is also an adorable cat loli who has a weekly bingo book of dungeons and raids you can clear for more rewards on top of this.

There is the current 24 man raids which have a weekly loot lockout and the latest 8 man raid (which is just like a Trial at this point) which isn't loot locked, but there is an important bit of currency that's weekly locked.

There's also the latest Trial that gets introduced by the main story; including the content that comes with a story patch. Trials are a single, self-contained boss fight. Extreme Trials are like 8 man raids.

There is also Eureka. If you've ever played WoW, particularly at the end of MoP when Timeless Isle was a thing, it's like that, but a bit annoying imo. You maintain your level, but you have an additional Elemental Level to grind up to 20. The mobs are too difficult to solo for most so it's ideal to form a party to farm and explore. There are regularly party trains that lead newbs to boss spawning areas where they kill mobs for a while until they hit the threshold to spawn the boss. Once the boss is downed and you got some exp from it the train moves on. I found this to be really tedious since you're too low a level to do jack shit. I imagine the place is fun with a dedicated party to just farm mobs though. There is endgame Artifact Gear locked behind this.

There's also the Palace of the Dead and, since I left, Heaven on High. A sort of rogue-like dungeon where your level resets, your weapon is replaced, and you need to manage fighting enemies while looking for upgrades before proceeding to the next floor. Can be done in a party. There are some nice rewards behind this too.

There's The Hunt which should mostly be trivial by max level, but there are still some nice rewards from it.

You can bullshit in the Gold Saucer, participate in chocobo races, and challenged players and NPCs to Triple Triad.

There's also beast tribe dailies.

So, as the other anon said, it's mostly daily grind meta bullshit, but with some other nice distractions.

<decent difficulty, where you can't just buttonmash and steamroll equal-level mobs and bosses

No, for the most part the game is quite easy. I mean, you can't "button mash" you have to do your rotation, but most enemies your level will die to your rotation pretty easily. Soloing or even duoing Palace of the Dead can be tricky though. Doing the old raids unsynced at max level is also kinda tough after a point. Trials on higher difficulties can be tough and 8 mans on higher difficulties requires good team cohesion and understanding of mechanics.

<no p2w whatsoever

Not in ways that really matter. Like WoW you can pay to have a character or class boosted to a high level. You can also pay to skip the Main Story Quest, which is very, very, very long and mandatory. However there's nothing that would actually put you at an advantage over someone who didn't buy those services.

>>15593988

Niggers like you have been ramping up the nostalgia meme for a decade now but that fact remains that there is a dedicated, autistic playerbase who loves that iteration of the game and will pay to play it.

>>15593802

no chat filter is why it's the best

>>15604226

The source is from warcraft realms and the data is based off of the CensusPlus mod. Forget to mention and wanted to clarify.

I played BFA at launch, but just unsubbed this month.

The game is so fucking devoid of any emotion. It's all just grinding and repetition. The raids are pretty cool, they're in-depth and require a lot of coordination, but that's about it. It feels like you have to constantly grind gold just to stay relevant.

The average gold I'd spend on a single raid night would be something like 12k+. I didn't like to farm gold, I was a career gnomish engineer because I liked all the fun shit you could do. Want to try to mind control an NPC, but at the risk of being mind controlled yourself? Fuck yeah, do that.

Blizzard doesn't know what to do, they don't understand why people liked MMOs in the first place. Plus MMOs are kind of dead these days. Why would I pay $15 a month, having to spend 4+ hours a day just to be able to stay geared, when I could play a F2P game and have more fun with less time investment?

>>15591613

>>15591627

I wouldn't be surprised to find that Heartstone was their current highest grossing product. It's big enough to compete with MTG these days.

>>15604226

Wow, they're truly and utterly fucked then.

>>15607968

Its slightly over 2 months and they usually do it after 3.

>>15607932

>It feels like you have to constantly grind gold just to stay relevant.

There are not that much of grind since you cant progress a lot past 370 ilvl because its pure luck after that. AP grind is meaningless because you only need 2 rings and catch up will level you up by itself.

And gold is pure irrelevance unless you are not alchemist. If you even want to raid because its pretty useless now.

>Blizzard doesn't know what to do

Their goal is not making good games but making a lot of money.

>>15608375

What's even more jewish about it is that if someone levels their 110 at all they are then locked out after 3 days unless they buy it and sub.

Median was fun when I played it, I think that was before it changed name to XL or something.

Anyone know the Legion Archaeology weekly?

>>15609030

Wait 2-3 months before next Sigma version.

>>15607968

>blizzard are finally dying

>>15591535

It was more the Activision involvement that signed Blizzard's death warrant. I wager the game would be completely different, and still reasonably popular, were it the O.G developers still working on it and half+ of every expansion released so far not been cut because 'muh shekels.'

>>15617702

You can see the turn on cut-offs around late vanilla (Naxx) when TBC was being cooked up, for example.

>>15595490

If you're a real 'solo-autist,' I suggest checking out EQ2 as well.

ESO is good for about 145hr if you play it like a vanilla Skyrim install that you can't mod.

The only thing that stops me personally from going to FFXICIXFVIFIXV is the 2.5s gcd which just kills me.

I was playing this for about two months. It's such fucking trash. BFA is honestly worse than WoD at this point.

I hope Classic is a massive success and they manage to expand upon it like the way Jagex did with OSRS but we all know that won't happen

>>15617708

>>15617702

Yeah the alpha Outlands seemed much more mysterious from what little people could datamine of it. Really that's what the game, and the genre as a whole, is missing.

>>15617702

Activision have actually made more money though.

>>15617753

>2.5s GCD

This matters less and less the closer you get to level cap. The reason is because the majority of every Job's toolkit are Abilities, not Weaponskills/Spells, and thus are off the global cooldown. You end up with an apm of 35-50 depending on your Job if you play it well.

Actually getting to the level cap is a fucking chore, though.

I don't know how people developed the expectation that WoW was going to last forever. Of course it's going to lose subs over time, and some day shut down.

>>15592901

LoS wasn't that relevant, it was mostly FoH, LoS were always second-fiddle to FoH.

PoP was always EQ's best expansion for raid and group content, until Omens of War the only mistake EQ developers had made was PoK itself, which fucked with travel times but it was kind of necessary given the size of the world.

The top 1% did things first, yes, but everyone ended up raiding eventually, or they were shitteaters like the Brazilians in WoW who were kicked from guilds and ostracized and couldn't even level up, let alone anything else.

It was the poopsockers leading the push, figuring out the mechanics and how to work around them, leading the guilds and controlling it all through text chat, but the "normalfags" (A EQ "casual" would be equivalent to a WoW hardcore raider now.) were still 100% necessary members of the guild.

EQ trained players propped up WoW raiding in the early days, or people would still be trying to figure out how to deal with Vaelstrasz. (Though early content was Furor/Tigole's thing, and while the simplistic nature of Vanilla raids is undeniable, it's comparative difficulty in relation to the rest of the game was very useful for social building. Faceless masses of randoms hurt max level turn over, though that's a more complex issue than my autism and hypographia will allow for.

WoW brought in too many entirely new players to continue the serious raid trend, and the type of player EQ created (top 1% of the 1%) were wholly incompatible with the normal players. The game wasn't difficult enough to train players.

They erred rightfully so on the side of the normalfags who couldn't handle it. (Don't see anymore epic quests do you? No, it's for a reason. Players who figured out how to kite the fucking demons for their hunter bow were guaranteed to be worth 10 of any other regular player, so the shitter is discouraged, which is turn over, loss of revenue, yadda.)

TL;DR

The entire MMO genre is dead, Jewish accountants killed it. Nothing will save it and there's no undoing the damage done by this one title to this aspect of gaming.

>>15623615

So you fall into this neverending cycle of leveling the playing field, which backfires as there's only so much homogenization you can force into a fucking video game, subs drop, subs drop, subs drop, accountants cry and the developers give up hopes of keeping people around via fun or amusement or social activites but simply go for keeping the hardcore addicts playing via inane, banal timesinks.

That said even the worst of the worst of the worst EQ poopsock-raider would already be sick of WoW, and they are.

>>15623621

The big mistake was thinking that all of the content of the game was just a massive funnel into Raiding and designing the game to behave as such. With an entire world distilled down to nothing but the waiting lobby for an arcade style cluster fuck. All for a tiny fraction of customers that enjoy a very specific style of play, and even then a large amount of them don't actually give a shit aside from a sense of superiority they can flaunt for weird e-cred. If we're being fair, about 90% of early raid difficulty was obfuscation of mechanics and intended gameplay.

The sad reality is that WoW was just never good. It was simply a game that started way ahead of EQ with quality of life improvements, and with a company that was legendary for its post release support for a subscription game. Everyone just expected the game to get better and better as time went on. At first, that's what happened, just not by any kind of proper development plan. In fact, I would argue that all of WoW's improvements were completely accidental in response to the fetish of raids.

Allow me a small anecdotal recount of WoW and what went wrong and why. This is mostly pulled from memory so much of it is probably inaccurate. WoW launched as a total mess, there were tons of simply busted spells, specs and even classes. I remember rogue being considered the most powerful class mostly because it had only 1 broken talent tree, and shamans being unstoppable pvp gods based entirely on frostshock and windfury weapon. Enemies could only have 8 debuffs on them at once (consider raids had 40 people back then), there were absolutely no tools in game for party communication on priority targets and the like. The game broke down into a horrible slog of a grind around level 30. However, a lot of the problems with the game were balance related, or related to core elements of combat and grouping. Thus as Blizzard worked to implement and fix raiding (between intentionally broken content to stop players from seeing the rest of the fights were bugged or incomplete) the game as a whole improved. This trend continued until BC, where the cancer became malignant.

By the end of Vanilla, many players were asking for content outside of raids. There were many skilled players that didn't want to be at the whims of 39 other assholes in order to progress their characters in any way. They got the .5 set to shut them up. However Blizzard found that only 1% of their paying subscribers ever even saw inside Naxx, a massive development investment of time and money. What was their answer? No, not develop a more robust game world that allowed for several different types of interconnected players to interact, simply funnel everything into Raids. Here, the idea was to make it as easy as possible to get into Raids. Streamlining the leveling process to be handled via quests, linking the dungeons of the world and rep grinds to naturally lead players to unlocking raids, and even presenting a few simple starter raids to get people into the rhythm of getting their groups together. Heck, they even implemented mini-raids at this time.

Of course, that was the wrong direction. The design goal to keep the game more viable for a longer timeframe would be to implement new systems and fine tune old ones just as the combat mechanics were. An actual crafting system would have been nice, as well as a more involved gathering system, a better trade system than a 0 effort auction house, perhaps more customization options, a better reputation system that allowed you more interaction with factions you enjoyed, linking PvP objectives and Battlegrounds to world drop rates and maybe even story progression, ect. Raids should have remained as a massive challange for larger groups, but it should have been a single gear in the WoW clock.

After this WotLK happened, and boy, did it happen. Very popular expansion that polished the art of the Raid to a mirror shine. Class balance better than it had ever been before, a well functioning UI for combat, a token system to allow players to overcome bad RNG for pre and eventually post raid tier content. With damn near nothing given to players outside the raid aside from daily repeatable quests for a little extra money.

Since then, it's been a downfall. Players leaving out of disgust once they accept that Blizzard will never add the content to the game it would require to fulfill the RPG part of MMORPG. Even worse, the small amount of choice and agency a player had has been painfully ripped out of the game at every opportunity because god forbid someone have enough power to make a mistake with their character. But why would players need to make a choice? There is only raiding. Everything only exists to prepare or execute the raid.

>>15593059

It's on life support.

I remember when I switched over to WoW from runescape. I died in the wildy with a full set of rune armor, and it broke little 12 year old me. Then I switched over to WoW, learned that dying is only 10% durability loss. I had fun goofing around with proffs, specifically making my own rifles/ammo as a hunter, and open world PvP as I ran around harvesting ores to make my own bullets. Then WotLK launched, and I went from never having run a dungeon in my life to running a few in that expansion. The rest of the expansions then followed suit, heirlooms were released, only raids/dungeons mattered, and while I kept playing, I never had as much fun as little old Grabgan the Troll Hunter running around shooting at people trying to take my ore deposits. I kept coming back to the game every so often because my brother really, really, really likes it for some reason, enough to max level every class, but since he's not playing anymore (two jobs) I've more or less entirely parted with it. You could have fun in this game at one point, but when they entirely neutered professions and made it so the only neat stuff you could get was out of dungeons and raids, it really sucked out what little soul the game had still possessed.