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>>15589808

Clock Town*

>>15589808

>However, where would be the safest bet amongst all in game locations?

At the bottom of one of the dungeons. Maybe the water dungeon(I forget what it was called in that game) since it's the farthest from where the moon crashes IIRC.

>>15589808

>where would be the safest bet amongst all in game locations?

Through the path back to the forest at the start of the game. There's a reason the mask salesman won't go outside.

>Why is there a plug going from one outlet to another in 2Fort?

Saves on electricity.

>What's the deal with White Claudia?

She wants to make Heather give birth to a new god.

Fight or flight, most things are running whether they believe they can outrun it or not. The "safest place" would be on the other side of the planet assuming the planet was round

tf2 is gay

Silent Hill is an allegory for hell, and it's largely personalized for every person there. The cult would then be an allegory for Satan's minions or demons. This is likely mixed with the common Shinto belief that everything has a spirit, even towns, and the Cultists likely angered the spirit of the town greatly which made it a vengeful hellish sadistic demon. They most likely exist only as thralls of the city itself at this point, and have no actual sentience of their own.

>>15589808

Realistically speaking, nowhere, since even if you get far away to avoid direct impact blast radius, the earthquakes will be all over the planet. From what we see ingame however, inverted Ikana Canyon or it's Boss Room would probably be the safest bet since they don't appear to exist on quite the same plane of existance, especially in the latter's case.

>>15589901

>inverted Ikana Canyon

the Boss room seems like a good idea but "Inverted Ikana" is just localized inverted gravity.

>>15589888

Maybe it's drawing from the Yin Yang philosophy. Or if you want to be a fucktard, Legend of Zelda's Shadow World. The villagers live in the "normal" version of the town since they are Yang (or perhaps have achieved balance between Yin and Yang) and visitors who are excessively Yin see the hellscape version of it instead. They exist simultaneously in a sort of quantum state, but each individual only experiences and can interact with one side of it.

>>15589930

sure that's fine and all but that's all explored in game, I'm asking about what we don't see, i.e. how the "normal" town operates.

>>15589901

From some autismo videos I've seen, the safest place would be just not near clock down. That moon was slow as balls, and even assuming it was going terminal velocity, it was a pretty tiny moon, it had no mass, it has no taste, but it has a funny face.

It might take out the the town itself, but thats about it. Just run for 10 minutes in one direction.

>>15589966

saw the same videos, he measures distance incredibly badly and doesn't take into account the fact that the moon is being pulled down forcibly and probably is actually extremely heavy and the "empty interior" is actually another dimension.

>>15589972

Yep, that was the video. was he accurate?

>>15589966

The impact would be almost meaningless, but the effects of something as large as THE FUCKING MOON grinding its facehole up against the planet would cause way more damage. The tides would go all fucky and also gravity would do fucky shit. Everything would be fucked, dude.

>>15589979

The moon yes, but evil face moon was about as big as the town. I think? Still wasn't the 1/4ish size of earth like The Moon is. Although I hate when people use in game assets for measurements when you know the assets themselves aren't accurate. I'm sure a "realistic, full size, 1 to 1 scale" Termina would have had a lot more houses and a lot more people. Same could go for evil moon.

>>15590005

>trauma of failing to beat Ganondorf and save Hyrule

Even before timelines came into play it was very clear MM takes place after Link defeats ganon, is sent back in time and Navi leaves him, if you wanna go this route you could say it was brought on from the sadness of losing Navi, which is what the game implies.

>>15590005

I'm not against that theory, and since no one "cares" about failed time line Link, so its all good, but dying dream is such an easy cop out.

>>15590022

>>15590033

It was a rushed game capitalizing on the popularity of OoT, they didn't really have time for a storyline that made sense.

>>15590039

To be fair, at that point it would have been the first game placeable with a direct relation to Ocarina (Windwaker as a distant sequel and the resultant split timeline only coming later), but as >>15590022 says, Majora's Mask is explicitly after Link gets sent back to his proper time after having beaten Ganondorf, and of which he helps forewarn Hyrule and override the future he'd experienced, which carried on without him. No failure about it (on his end anyhow; the sages sure failed to kill Ganondorf on their own accord), and the "official" triple split trying to tie all the non-CDi games into one chronology is fucking retarded compared to having a handful of individual chronologies and one major one with a single split.

>>15590007

i want to scratch clownpieces butthole with my penis

>>15590039

There is no storyline in Zelda. Each game is self-contained with a few exceptions like the games released in pairs.

>>15589918

If you use an emulator, they are unique rooms

>>15590236

> implying the timeline Aonuma and co made up simply because fans kept asking for one and which they themselves ignored with their very next game is actually some kind of binding and canonical thing

>>15590190

>games released in pairs

Majora's Mask is more or less directly after Ocarina of Time.

>>15590236

This was exclusively made to placate autists. It doesn't change the fact zelda is precisely like mario. Hero gotta save the princess from the bad guy, you know the drill, it's not supposed to make sense, shut the fuck up and have fun.

>>15590289

Which is what he was getting at.

OOT & MM are directly related.

LOZ & Z2 are too.

ALTTP & LA are as well.

OOA & OOS are paired.

WW & PH & ST are all in the same line.

TP could probably be considered a direct sequel to OOT as well.

>>15590190

Even ignoring the retardation of the "official" timeline, as the games post OoT release, Windwaker stating that the Hero of Time had saved the land and vanished pretty much confirmed a split after the events of OoT.

>Child Timeline: SS>OoT>MM>TP

>Adult Timeline: SS>OoT>Windwaker>PH>ST

Thus there is a relation between this set of games tethering back to OoT as a base, split at a fork at the end of the game because Zelda couldn't allow Link stay in the world he'd just saved and was the hero of. Granted, if you simply mean that all the games can be played on their own, without absolutely needing to play others first regardless of any chronology, yeah I guess that's correct (even the Oracle games allowed you to play in either order with the next game importing data or whatever the case there was), and only a handful have direct relation while avoiding being "second half of the adventure/plot" tier.

>>15590337

Also this is assuming one even deigns acknowledge SS, or it's apparent "origin of series" status that Nintendo wanted it to be. If not, just start the timelines from OoT; point being time flowed the same until forcibly splitting so as to not paradox Link in him preventing the future he came from.

>>15590236

There was never an implication in the games that any of them are related. Reusing names for things doesn't really mean anything other than Nintendo being too comfortable with what they made in the past.

>>15590289

It's plausible, but the point is it doesn't matter if they are related or not, MM is so self-contained the setting is a magical place that doesn't really exist or something. Making up theories to try and link all the games together is on topic for this thread, though, I was just pointing out that storylines don't exist in LoZ so it couldn't be used as a reason for MM being "rushed out". Reusing assets was part of the plan to release a new game faster, anyways.

>>15590356

Fuck, I mean Nintendo didn't care about storyline in the first place so it's unreasonable to expect MM to make sense in the grand scheme of things that doesn't exist.

>>15590190

>>15590356

>There was never an implication in the games that any of them are related.

Almost every game in the series makes clear where it takes place in relation to at least one other game. The biggest exception is probably Link to the Past, which nobody ever pretends is confusing. In the early games you need to read the manual, because that's where old games kept their story, but still.

>Zelda II is a direct sequel to the first game.

>Link to the Past is actually called Triforce of the Gods and really doesn't make very explicit that it's a prequel in the actual game, but we all know it is

>Link's Awakening is a sequel to Link to the Past

>Ocarina of Time lets you play the backstory from Link to the Past.

There are slight differences (instead of the Knights of Hyrule beating Ganon, Link does) but you can take this to be the "legend" being corrupted by the time of Link to the Past.

>Majora's Mask explicitly takes place directly after Ocarina of time, after Link gets sent back in time.

So already this is not the same timeline where Link to the Past took place, since the majority of events from Ocarina of Time, including the birth and defeat of Ganon, never happened in this time. So this is the first alt timeline. However I'll say that you could make an argument that in this timeline, the events surrounding Ganon happened more like the backstory in Link to the Past, with the Knights of Hyrule. Then this would still be one timeline. But that doesn't really work since the Triforce of Courage was inside Link all along.

Also, if it wasn't for the Triforce being in Link, the most elegant explanation for the timeline from the original games would be that it's a timeline created when Link goes back in time during gameplay and therefore Ganon is left with nobody to stop him except the Knights of Hyrule. You only need to ever travel back in time once in the game anyway, which makes it even better. But again this means Link never meets Ganondorf so Ganon is never created.

>Oracle's ending leads into Link's Awakening fairly well, so it fits in between Link to the Past and Link's Awakening. But also these are spinoffs so it doesn't matter as much.

>Wind Waker takes place long after Ocarina of Time, but after Link defeats Ganon

So again it states explicitly where it is, but it can't be the same timeline as Majora's Mask OR Link to the Past. So basically two (main) games in a row created new timelines. Majora's Mask definitely did, and either Ocarina did, if you take the Link to the Past backstory literally, or Wind Waker, if you tried to act like the backstory wasn't literal. But really Wind Waker was just confirming a timeline already shown in Ocarina, just proving that it wasn't just a legend being corrupted.

I could keep going, but that covers the games people give a shit about. And they're the earliest ones. Zelda always had a consistent canon, and the timelines just crept in clearly by accident, but were there explicitly in the games.

>Reusing names for things doesn't really mean anything other than Nintendo being too comfortable with what they made in the past.

I wouldn't say this is specifically true, as characters like Link and Zelda have always been reincarnations or whatever, and Ganon has always been one guy who keeps getting revived. However, it does bother me when people pretend that Termina is an alternate reality just because Nintendo reused so many assets. There is absolutely nothing in the game to imply Termina is anything other than a country that neighbors Hyrule. Many games take place in countries other than Hyrule, and also feature characters who repeat. Link's Awakening is the only one that says anything about being a dream.

There isn’t a single correct answer. You get Game Over no matter where you are in Termima.

>>15591628

How about the fact that the world is upside down?

>>15591720

Huh?

>>15591872

Presumably he meant to reply to the part where you said

>There is absolutely nothing in the game to imply Termina is anything other than a country that neighbors Hyrule

Because Termina is upside-down. It's somewhat hard to neighbor something when you're quite literally the other side of that thing.

>>15591910

How is Termina upside down? I've 100%ed the game. This sounds like some fanwank shit.

>>15589808

Did you even play the second game? Normal silent hill is a beautiful place, so beautiful it's a popular tourist spot, james went there with his wife when they were newlyweds and they liked the town so much she made him promise they'd go back in a few years, but illness struck her and james couldn't bear it, so he fucked their shit up, went crazy, pretended his wife sent him a letter where she told him she was waiting in silent hill for him and when he went back the town presented itself to james in it's rusted/fog form because he had a fuckton of personal demons and that place is more or less purgatory for the mentally ill.

>>15589808

The rest of my post didn't go through, what the fuck.

Anyway, white claudia is just another name for cocaine, it's not a special custom drug, they probably just censored it or something, if you count silent hill origins as canon you can see lisa snorting a few lines of it in a cutscene.

As for valve, who knows, (((valve))) games are dogshit and i refuse to play them.

>>15591933

There's a reason the first part of the game ends with you walking through a twisted tunnel that winds up with you upside down before walking out of the thereafter permanently closed door in the clock tower.

That part aside, there's a whole load of fanwank shit explaining why as well, but you're clearly not interested in that.

>>15591961

It was a joke. His sense of humor is just fucked up.

In Spyro the Dragon, several dragons make remarks indicating that they all, except for Spyro himself, knew Spyro was a special chosen one who was destined to save them from a foretold danger. So if they knew about the danger, why did they let Gnasty Gnorc just hang out and build his army and everything? And then why would they antagonize him after letting him grow so powerful? Was the whole game done on purpose just to have Spyro be forced into his destined role as hero? Perhaps the real destiny he was always meant to fulfill was reuniting the Dragon Realms with the other side of the world, which had been taken over by The Sorceress.

Which games in the Mario universe are "real" and which are just plays? Are the Donkey Kong games real? Or the Donkey Kong Country games? Is Super Mario Bros 3 based on the true story of Super Mario Bros, or is it just a remake of what was already fictional in-universe? Is SMB USA at least Mario's real dream? Or are even the waking aspects of that story also fiction? But SMB USA takes place in the same dream world as Link's Awakening. Is Zelda also a play within a play in Mario?

>>15591961

My theory is, just like the otherworld is a twisted representation of the town, and doing things in the Otherworld doesn't affect reality, the monsters are twisted shadows of things in reality, but killing them has no particular effect on reality.

Vincent was just being a dick though.

>>15591959

If it was so beautiful how come there's so many police notes talking about the drug problem then, was it an extremely underground operation? was the police corrupt?

>>15591976

Jorji understands you're just doing your job, and the inspector clearly greets him warmly after the third or so time even if you deport him.

>>15592046

each game has it's own canon unless otherwise stated. It would be fun to collect direct plot references in mario games rather than "both games feature X so they're related" stuff.

Alternatively, they're all fictional and there's no in-universe reality, merely "our" reality, and SMB3 was just a bit more meta, like the Yoshi games where they're styled after crafts, books and the like.

>>15591959

>Normal silent hill is a beautiful place, so beautiful it's a popular tourist spot,

Did you even play the third game? Douglas suggests that the tourist trade has died out, and the radio announcer in 2 says that the South Vale has already been abandoned.

>>15591961

I think he was just scraping around for a way to make Heather feel bad, since he probably feels like a horrible person for his role in what's going on. He doesn't understand what that question might imply until he sees your reaction, which is why he tries to play it off as a joke.

>>15592022

>Fallout 4

I'm guessing the answer you're looking for is "It just works."

>>15592070

If Super Mario 3 is a play, then Yoshi's Island is a literal pop-up book, which also makes sense because it's a prequel. They're looking back on a recording (drawings) of these past events.

You could say every entry in every series is its own canon unless otherwise stated. Mario probably has more references between entries than, say, James Bond, but nobody is claiming that each of those is literally their own canon.

Donkey Kong

>Mario is a construction worker whose pet ape gets out and goes nuts

DK Jr

>Mario doubles down and abuses the ape even harder and also his son

Wrecking Crew

>Mario's Boss, Foreman Spike, has had enough of this shit and they start fighting, demolishing the construction site

Mario Bros.

>Mario is fucking fired and becomes a plumber

DK3

>also he lost custody of Donkey Kong at some point, who was defeated by Stanley the Bugman when the now homeless ape tried to take over a greenhouse

Donkey Kong (Game Boy)

>DK and his son team up to take revenge on their former master, in a journey that takes them all through many locales, including a jungle which evidently would be appealing to DK, and eventually to Mario's birthplace of The Mushroom Kingdom.

Super Mario Bros

>When a country lead by an evil wizard king attacks Mario's birthplace, he goes and saves the princess because she has the magic that can save the rest of the citizens. The evil wizard has turned most citizens into inanimate objects, except the racial group that sided with him, the Goombas. He also has the ability to turn random soldiers into body doubles

Super Mario Bros 2

>then he does it again

Super Mario Bros USA

>then one time Mario was sleeping and fought Wart as he tried to take over a dream world, which is apparently a shared dream created by the sleeping Wind Fish. This game must take place before Link's Awakening.

Super Mario Bros 3

>As political tensions settle, Mario and Bowser are now friendly enough that they put on a play based on their previous conflict

Super Mario Land

>Bowser is not a current threat. But Mario's story is now famous, and his jealous old rival Wario uses knowledge of Mario's white knight tendencies as a reason to hire an alien named Tattanga to attack a country called Sarassaland and kidnap its princess, so Wario can use the distraction to take over Mario's castle, which it makes sense for him to have, because he's a celebrity by this point.

Super Mario World

>Bowser, meanwhile, is done attacking the Mushroom Kingdom, because they're friends now. Instead he turns to Dinosaur Land for his lebenstraum. Since he's not attacking the Mushroom Kingdom, Goombas are not in this game. Though translation error said the goomba-like enemies were actually goombas in the English manual, later games corrected this. Just so happens Mario and Peach were visiting, since they had friends here from childhood adventures, and get caught up in the foreign affairs of an unrelated country. Bowser had to capture her again to stop her from using her magic to stop this invasion, too.

Super Mario Land 2

>Mario gets back and finds Wario took over his castle. So he takes that shit back.

Super Mario Kart

>They're still friendly enough to go go-karting together though. DK Jr. has also seemingly forgiven Mario for the torment his former master caused to he and his father.

Donkey Kong Country

>By now, Donkey Kong has grown old and Jr. has had a son. DK III gets his bananas stolen by a kingdom known as the Kremlings, and sets out to take them back with his cousin Diddy.

Donkey Kong Land

>when DK III finishes saving his bananas from the Kremlings, DK Sr. challenges him to prove that graphics had nothing to do with how cool his adventure was, so he invites the Kremlings back to steal the bananas again and tells DK to get them back but this time without the fancy graphics. He does so, and his adventure takes him to different places than before, including the city that his father, grandfather, and Mario used to live in.

Yoshi's Island

>At some point, a pop-up book is published about Mario, Luigi, and Bowser's childhood. How accurate it is to real events is questionable, but it is probably at least accurate in broad strokes.

Super Mario 64

>Publishing such a book, so harshly and personally critical of a foreign ruler, would probably not be great for international relations. With that, and newfound knowledge of a source of magical power hidden in Peach's castle, Bowser takes over said castle, again with his magic.

Mario Kart 64

>they go go karting again but given that DK Jr. has grown up and apparently become a deadbeat dad or something, DKIII joins the race instead. Also Mario is nice enough to let Wario join.

>>15592221

I don't know, I wanted to say things like all the sports and party games take place in the "real world," but there are a lot of links between the main games. Maybe the sports games are the "real world" and the main games are all fiction, and Super Mario Bros. 3 and Yoshi's Island are fiction within fiction.

Also, why is a human the monarch of the Mushroom Kingdom? Was Peach actually a Toadette, and the royal crown is actually a Super Crown that makes them more human? But then that just raises the question of the few other human characters explicitly from the Mushroom Kingdom, including Mario himself. But then he and Luigi were delivered by a stork so that might explain why they're seemingly not of a local race like Toads or Goombas.

>>15592129

>Fallout 4

New Vegas, actually. Dead Money. I just grabbed a screenshot off of Google that looked alright.

>>15592022

All MFC weapons are actually meant to use different kinds of batteries. You have a small device in your body that puts as much energy into a single Cell as is required for compatibility but they cannot be stored in this overcharged state because they would melt.