700fed No.15585955
Vidya then
>developers loved fun games and made fun games
>games were designed to be played and have fun
Vidya now
<autistic minmax garbage
<designed to keep you playing and paying
<developers hate games and their audience
Where did it all go so wrong?
cbe10b No.15585958
the market kept buying into it
1d9f81 No.15585964
Vidya then
>The good devs were in the spotlight
Vidya now
<The highly marketed devs, decent or bad, are in the spotlight
Wow dude I hate video games now.
50765e No.15585968
yes OP all developers hate fun and don't make fun games anymore
games are all shit, you can finally kill yourself
1ffe91 No.15585971
>>15585955
When it became too big, then you got a lot of people with various agendas scrambling to get a piece of the pie, some want to use it to spread their shit propaganda, others want to kike up them shekels, others are bandwagoning fucktard braindead shit-eaters with no taste and can manage to play a single fucking game for almost 3-4 years till the next fad comes up
46e14e No.15585995
>>15585955
>Where did it all go so wrong?
Horse Armor (dlc), Multiplayer brought low skills and high immediate needs players, J-pop, and forced diversity (culture marxism) and miserable champagne socialist journalists without ethics playing fulcrum. Most importantly, the uniformed consumer and the pushover youtuber.
ca7bb7 No.15586005
You wouldn't have this problem if you played independent games, or old games. Mobile monetization is eventually going to hit a peak because the industry is more than well aware that it's being floated by like maybe 40k whales.
ec6562 No.15586006
>>15585955
I think the general consensus is about 2007.
7a1dc1 No.15586010
>>15585955
well, are you going to post it?
cbe10b No.15586014
7281ff No.15586130
Just posting the usual as to why triple AAA gaming sucks and what not.
4f0cf8 No.15586138
So keep playing "vidya then". What's the problem?
7281ff No.15586147
>>15586138
Imagine the very thing you love under going a slow necrotic rot that'll definitely destroy the insides of the thing you love out. You could enjoy vidya then but currently and beyond the damage and decay are still there and will continue.
9e3cfd No.15586204
>>15586147
Get Godot and get to work then.
1d9f81 No.15586210
>>15586147
You have at least 5 good games(as in truly good, and not just kind of decent or better than the rest) coming out a year as well as most probably a giant backlog. Assuming the rot takes complete hold(and I don't believe so, I choose to believe at some point all these retards will go the way of the Sunset devs or Phil Fish and just find some other medium to suck themselves off in and the good devs will be the ones who are left standing) you still have a lot to play.
72822c No.15586214
>>15585955
Je-
>>15585960
Nevermind. /thread
1a3caf No.15586224
<autistic minmax garbage
t. retard
I love minmaxing and there's very few games where it's satisfying nowadays.
1a3caf No.15586227
>>15586210
>You have at least 5 good games
What?
Name 5 from this and last year. You're full of shit.
9b05dc No.15586232
>>15585955
What's happening in the vidya industry is the same thing that's been happening in every other entertainment industry: the big producers are sinking trillions into producing stuff, so naturally they're going to do whatever it takes to make back that investment, customer's will be damned.
There's still good shit, but you won't find it in the mainstream because it costs millions to inject something into there.
7281ff No.15586235
>>15586227
>Land of no night 2
>.hack//last recode
>Uniel[st]
>Digimon cyber sleuth hackers memory
>Mary skelter Nightmares
Sorry I can't name too many non japanese games anon.
7281ff No.15586252
>>15586246
Where do you think we are?
1a3caf No.15586253
>>15586235
>Land of no night 2
I can't find any evidence this exists. Looking at the first it seems to be a JRPG with mediocre combat.
>.hack//last recode
I found a youtube video of the start of the game. The first hour is a cutscene.
>Uniel[st]
I hate fighting games as a genre so my opinion here doesn't really matter.
>Digimon cyber sleuth hackers memory
Generic turn based JRPG
>Mary skelter Nightmares
See above
I have no idea if any of these have decent stories that might make them attractive to someone, but I've never played a game solely held up by its story either.
There simply aren't 5 good games that came out in 2018, and the same can be said about 2017.
>>15586246
There are plenty of good jap games faggot. If you gave me enough time I may be able to think of some made this decade.
7281ff No.15586259
>>15586253
For land of no night 2 I mean night of azure 2. I used the japanese translation of the game's japanese title.
f9c96c No.15586265
when call of duty modern warfare 2 released and it made 1 billion $ in the first couple of days attracting all the hollywood and corporate boomers who have lots of money and don't give a shit about games, stockholders killed gaming.
Call of Duty :Modern warfare 4: M716,000,000 Nov 5, 2007
Call of Duty :Modern Warfare 2: B1,080,000,000 Nov 10, 2009
2c5486 No.15586274
>>15586224
Seconding this.
bf803f No.15586284
>>15586265
>portal is bad
???
1d9f81 No.15586286
>>15586227
>2017
Shadow Tactics Blades of the Shogun
Nex Machina
Ni-Oh
Bleed 2 or if it's too short for you, Rain World
Shenzhen IO
>2018
The Messenger
La Mulana 2
Copy Kitty(or if out of EA games don't count, Curse of the Moon(you could count MM11 but I honestly just think it's above average))
Overload(or if out of EA games don't count, I don't really know. I haven't played another good FPS this year)
Frozen Synpase 2(or if it doesn't count because I have shit taste, OpenApoc because it's GOTAY)
>honurabu mentions for 2018
Kingdom Come
Comet Striker
Doorkickers Action Squad I just wish it wasn't complete pixelshit and instead had the artstyle of the original Doorkickers
>Things may or may not come out this year and will definitely be good
Touhou Luna Nights
Sakuna Of Rice and Ruin(never ever)
Exapunks
>Things that may or may not be good that will release soon
Xenonauts 2
Phoenix Point(?)
Darksiders 3
That Mechanicus notXCOM game
I admit my taste is pretty shit niche but I have a lot of fun with these games. And if you're willing to take a risk you could suggest a genre you're looking for games in and I may or may not be able to suggest a game you could play.
If you want to.
ae4862 No.15586292
>>15586274
>stack nothing but life% and damage
>me smart me minmax
kill yourself
bcc2a2 No.15586297
>>15585955
>this is my son anon
He's our son now ara~ara
7fcce4 No.15586303
>>15585955
Capitalism always destroys the past, exploits the present and corrupts the future.
dfb605 No.15586305
>>15586284
The game itself is fine but it spawned one of the first normalfag vidya memes, "the cake is a lie". It's a simplistic, short sound byte that normalfags used to prove their "nerd cred", even if they hadn't actually played the game. These kind of fake gamers lower the exclusivity of vidya and therefore lower the average expectations.
dfb605 No.15586307
>>15586303
Leave commie. The problem is people.
dae7ed No.15586329
>>15586130
He's right but I hate when people here pretend gaming was some secret club until le 2007. Sure it was far less popular, but games were still consumed by millions around the world, companies were making millions.
7e82e8 No.15586341
>>15586303
My dick will destroy your ass
7fcce4 No.15586357
>>15586307
>>15586306
I will never understand the misconception of anti-capitalism = pro-communism. Nothing could be further from the truth, but capitalism as it is today is corrupted to the core and makes it suicidal to follow it forward.
>The problem is people.
Your common sense answer helps absolutely nobody. It's you standing in the middle pointing fingers and saying "it's their fault".
But back to wisdom…
>Capitalism always destroys the past, exploits the present and corrupts the future.
Take literally any product under capitalism that you once liked and see how it's past was destroyed, how it's currently exploited and how it's future is worse of than it was before.
c77434 No.15586358
>>15586340
Already posted.
779056 No.15586359
>>15586259
Nights of Azure 2? I got a copy of that from a friend as a Christmas gift but I heard it wasn't as good as the first. I've been hesitant to play it because of that but perhaps people were just memeing because of muh weebshit.
2c5486 No.15586370
>>15586292
>thinking that %life is the only thing you need
And yet I still managed to do fine in T15 (didn't try Shaper or guardians) due to the fact that Mirror/Blink Arrow minions offscreen shit from three screens away and due to the fact that having that many clones trivialises any boss fight by taking aggro along with absorbing any and all projectiles. The only way you could die is to degen, freeze strongboxes and by getting your Stone Golem killed due to ZO EB MoM. But the actual build had around 4.2k life, I simply respecced the entire tree to replace a lot of life nodes for mana and all damage nodes so that they wouldn't kill everything so that I could continue throwing traps to make the screencap.
>b-but itš not hardcore viable
The build wasn't MEANT to be hardcore viable, I simply wanted to see how absurd the number of clones I could get was. And this was two leagues prior to the ascendancy revamps where Deadeye got absurd amounts of cooldown reduction (which is what Eirikeiken's version was based on and when BA/MA became part of the meta), this was on a Saboteur which was even more clunky to play due to no 20% regen node. All MA/BA guides at the time were block-cap Necromancer so I had to improvise.
b0dd81 No.15586374
>>15586235
>a compilation remaster
>3 updated rereleases
Come on now.
ec040c No.15586393
THE MYTHICAL "BROADER AUDIENCE" RUINED VIDEO GAMES. THERE NEVER WAS A BROADER AUDIENCE. IT WAS ALWAYS JUST US AUTISTIC FUCKS AND NOW WE NEVER WANT TO TOUCH A GAME YOU COMPANIES MAKE ANYMORE
162c2b No.15586416
>>15585955
>Fucked up a school year in 2016 because I was lazy and depressed
>Had to go two years in a shitty school to catch up for the year I fucked up
>Currently in a school that I like doing something I love thanks to those shitty two years where I had to do the work my ass off during the day plus do a lot of stuff outside of school for my resume
>Now I'm far from my parent's home and I decided not to take any gamepad with me to be more productive
>Be less depressed, less lazy now
>Go lifting rather than playing games
But I'm scared this will all go to shambles once the winter comes guys
Also I think I stopped buying AAA games in 2012, for me this is when games started to lose their appeal, thanks to the lack of fun and the non existent challenges.
6f09ce No.15586420
>>15586393
normalfags, just say normalfags ruin everything
e94053 No.15586426
>>15586297
>Meanwhile in Ara /v/
6f09ce No.15586429
>>15586416
>Go lifting rather than playing games
this is bullshit, I mean I lift too, but are you seriously expecting anon to believe that you're lifting several hours every day? fuck off
162c2b No.15586460
>>15586429
Yeah I'm not saying I lift several hours everyday, but everyday I'm spending more time on home works than I spend time at school, so this shrinks my allowed time for video games. And for now I'm not regretting it.
dae7ed No.15586466
>>15586393
Gaming was not a secret club for losers like us. Stop pushing that myth. I had normalfag friends playing Medal of Honor Allied Assault with me, playing DMC1 and other games. Games went big and "mainstream" back in the 90s for fuck sake, when most of us started in the first place.
1d9f81 No.15586470
>>15586460
I find it better when your time for vidya is less than what you're used to. It makes actually playing the vidya more fun to do.
d43799 No.15586473
>>15586227
Last year had Earth Defense Force 5, Cuphead (sole western game I can think of in those recent years tbh), Shin Yomawari, Dungeon Travelers 2-2, Super Robot Wars V and Under Night Last[Exe]
This year has Valkyria Chronicles 4, Fate/Extella Link ( a definitive improvement over the first one), Utawarerumono 1 remake, Digimon Cyber Sleuth memory Hacker (jap version has the previous game in one package)
8ce7c7 No.15586476
>>15586429
>not doing 8 hour arm workouts
Never going to make it.
>>15586416
>I'm scared this will all go to shambles once the winter comes guys
Because you'll have some downtime? I don't know man, it's not bad to have some time for games, but if you think you'll fall back into that old rut then find some other things to do in the winter that'll occupy you.
7b41a4 No.15586500
>>15585955
I think it was somewhere around here:
>be a young you
>enjoy new hobby
>be you 10 years later
>despise old hobby because of subconscious feelings that say you've been losing your time and stifled your growth
b7416f No.15586505
>create account to play multiplayer
>create account to play singleplayer
These combined with the good old
>no community run dedicated servers
Dropped a couple of games because of this shit.
7e82e8 No.15586518
>>15586357
The problem is jews like you.
c4bee7 No.15586520
>>15585955
She better fuck that shota.
e94053 No.15586529
>>15586520
>artist is Mizuryu Kei
Whether the son is involved or not doesn't matter, if this is the artist, she has taken so much dicks she could have appeared on the Maury show for more than 25 DNA tests to see who's the father.
e4d303 No.15586536
Astroturfing thread.
Sage and report.
25f873 No.15586579
>>15586393
I wouldn't even say it's the "broader audience"s fault, rather it's the fault of developers and publishers for incessantly believing that said "broader audience" can somehow be reached through a medium of entertainment they've otherwise never really cared much about. It's this ludicrous idea that if you just do this one thing, suddenly you'll make more people suddenly have a vested interest in what you produce, and thus bring in the millions.
The problem with this is that people who don't care about videogames simply aren't going to suddenly give a shit about it just because you made one that's more of a ~cinematic~ experience. Despite what journos and marketers would have you believe people generally know what they like, and they're going to stick to what they like (even if it's quite frankly shit).
tl;dr just because someone likes movies more than videogames doesn't mean they'll suddenly start liking videogames because you made a videogame that's basically just a movie.
>>15586536
>announcing reports
Nigger, the fuck are you doing?
1d9f81 No.15586698
>>15586579
Simply put I believe the type of developer is different than from say the PS2 era.
Listening to earlier developer podcasts of PS2-era games I can't imagine 95% of AAA devs even giving even a quarter of the amount of effort put into games like Ratchet and Clank and in Going Commando's case a lot of that game's final aspects came down to "focus testers didn't know what to do here" and still they delivered on a good game.
5e1307 No.15586740
>>15585955
As soon as the shitty Western formerly PC only developers got their foothold in the console market when the (((XBox))) came out. Gaming has been tainted ever since.
7c9d07 No.15586750
>>15586698
>Going Commando
I still say the handling of such a focus test was bullshit. Of course just dropping testers in a level and telling them to have it is going to leave an impression it needs to be dumbed down if they automatically don't have the same experience a legit player is going to have had, going through the game in proper sequence. "No one understood how to use the tractor beam?" The level you get the tractor beam in shows how to use it, and all tractorable objects have the same mark and yellow/orange color scheme to said mark, which can start to be readily noticed from that point forward. It's deliberately giving a false impression because the higher ups want things easier, dumber, to appeal to more. With a handheld game, where the save data goes with the game itself, it might be understandable someone might pick up something that was in the middle of play and be confused, but not so with disc based games, where the save is stored separately. If they don't have a memory card with the existing file, they're playing from the start.
>>15586473
>Digimon Cyber Sleuth memory Hacker (jap version has the previous game in one package)
Do you know if an Asia/Pacific print exists like such with both games in English/uncensored? Out of curiosity.
>>15586286
>Darksiders III
I'm highly leery, but at the same time have been wondering if it doesn't have an "equips change visuals" aspect like Darksiders II had. I know people are apt to call the game on the "redesign" of Fury compared to the prior comic visual appearance, but considering the previous game, if they're going that route, it could be that there's more revealing armor to be had. That said, I've not followed its development history, so this has just been speculation.
>>15586265
>image
Also the year of Hackers on Steroids bringing cuckchan into broader prevalence.
7432ed No.15586753
>>15586740
I've always said that Microsoft was THE cancer that killed the video game industry. The original Xbox was their foothold, just a little benign thing, but the Xbox 360 was where shit kicked into metastatic malignant cancer spreading over the whole body. Microsoft brought us "DLC". Microsoft brought us online-subscriptions. Microsoft brought us endless shitty cross-plats that were developed on console first then ported to PC later.
554632 No.15586756
>>15585958
>Its casuals who praise developers for streamlining and simplifying games
>>15585955
<autistic minmax garbage
Seems like he's talking about OP.
1d9f81 No.15586766
>>15586750
>going commando
I'm going on the word of the dev podcast here but apparently the dev got shitloads of complaints regarding the inspector bot segment of the third level. Apparently, and I'm paraphrasing here, just the fact that you could fail or require relatively tight timing for the door bombing was a failure on his design and Mark Cerny implicitly gave him shit about it.
>darksiders
I don't know. I just have an unexplainable like for the Darksiders games and I don't want 3 to be bad, but I'm not blind to any misgivings I had watching the gameplay footage.
7976f2 No.15586798
>>15586303
agreed
>>15586306
read nick land brainlet
>>15586357
theres no point in arguing with these people
c55233 No.15586805
Please tell me this anon is still with us
7432ed No.15586873
>>15586805
He's not, because he can't accept video games. There is no more video games for that anon.
2e19f4 No.15586878
>>15586805
He's with us in our hearts.
>>15586265
This image fails to note that in 2007 the internet became a lot more accessible to literal retards and shitskins (with much overlap) thus dooming almost every gaming community to die a slow and painful death of people who both don't care about the games themselves so much as the memes and the 'cred' (as previously mentioned) but also these people are quite literally subhuman and do not contribute to the communities as much as the average member of the old community used to. This means little to no voice chat, not speaking up about shitty business practices, accepting matchmaking, etc etc.
7432ed No.15586886
>>15586878
>This image fails to note that in 2007 the internet became a lot more accessible to literal retards and shitskins
That's basically the same thing as the iPhone releasing because it's the iPhone that gave them access.
e3a7be No.15586895
>>15585955
I want to fuck that mum.
2e19f4 No.15586897
>>15586886
True, and indeed I attribute the iphone to the brown horde infecting the internet now, but some people may not be capable of putting the pieces together. I'd like someone to tell me why the iPhone was a bad omen rather than just telling me "just because"
1446aa No.15586901
>>15585955
>When did the fun leave vidya?
2007
cd1df4 No.15586904
>>15585955
Name a current year mainstream game that requires autistic min/maxing
7c9d07 No.15586914
>>15586766
I know, I was watching the video last I saw it posted. The way they made it sound was they just dropped the testers in without them actually having the gained the prior experience a proper player would have, even with that early level. Figuring out the slingshot is admittedly new to that level, but really not difficult to figure out through experimentation, as long as you know how to discern tractor-able objects.
I liked Darksiders I and II myself (first was certainly the more complete/polished though), and would rather III be alright than a shitshow, but again, leeriness is wise. Hindsight will show if it's actually pozzed or not, but until then, and unless it is alright, no one gets my money on it.
>>15586805
Wouldn't be surprising if he found another hobby, which likely has been shat up if it wasn't already. Either that or maybe he went full /vr/.
340392 No.15586915
>>15585955
i can find you more fun games to play made in the last 3 years than entire library of games from when they were invented to 2005 or something
2515d1 No.15586968
>>15586951
There's a difference between posting cuckchan screencaps pre and post exodus, just like proudly proclaiming that you never in your live visited cuckchan,
da48d3 No.15586971
>>15586227
>2017
Ruiner
Sonic Mania
Xenoblade 2
Nier Automata
A Hat in Time
>2018
Dragonball FighterZ
Octopath Traveler
Fist of the North Star: Lost Paradise
Megaman 11
Bloodstained
I could list many more for 2017, the issue is that we're limited to just five
2e19f4 No.15586987
>>15586971
>sonic mania
>dragonball fighterZ
>Octopath Traveler
>FotNS
>Bloodstained
1d9f81 No.15587004
>>15586987
Those are games, yes.
>>15586914
They made it sound like the testers were 6~ year old children and that baffles me that they would market to such young audiences.
19ab50 No.15587009
>>15585955
The more niche anime porn you post, the worse video games get. Every time someone makes one of these faggy threads on this goddamn website, video games suffer. It's a 1 to 1 ratio.
148517 No.15587016
>>15585955
>When did the fun leave vidya?
When she caught him sleeping with her sister; Boredom.
ad281f No.15587023
>>15586971
There's plenty more coming out. Shit, you even forgot Gravity Rush 2, DQ11, VC4.
7c9d07 No.15587043
>>15587004
Yeah, it would be stupid when the intended age to target was at least those allowed T rating (compare to Spyro being E), but I suppose there's always a desire from suits to broaden the base to take shekels from. Hell, you've got cases like Bamco being too scared to let Berseria get a slightly higher than par-for-the-series T equivalent (Europe having much more categories that would all under mere T here) rating in Europe because it could impact width of profits, thus censorship for the whole west (and over violence to children, not even lewds).
03d9ca No.15587053
>>15586006
yeah i'd say 2007, maybe 2009 if you really stretch it
7432ed No.15587060
>>15587053
2007 would be ground zero. If you actually realized it was happening in 2007 I would call you a liar. 2009 would be when the full effects of 2007 have really started to sink in, and when people started looking back in retrospect to find out when it all went wrong.
More people looked back, and more people saw the locus at 2007.
1d9f81 No.15587062
>>15587043
How are the Tales of games? Are they supposed to play like the party Ys games except fights are instanced or what because I'm too stupid to figure it out from gameplay videos.
06c05f No.15587066
>>15585955
>When did the fun leave vidya?
When the 6th gen ended and companies started betting on marketing rather than competing over who can make the best game.
The last few bits of genuine care put into videogames died around 2009 when the normalfag masses became the largest percentage of the audience.
000000 No.15587083
People went wrong and devs went their way.
000000 No.15587088
>>15585971
This.
Killing "people" prevents all this.
933748 No.15587099
>>15585955
2007. The video games industry became a hugely profitable market with the success of the Wii, Halo 3 and Call of Duty 4 (WoW was also seeing a fairly big growth in subscriptions from it's Burning Crusade expansion at this time as well).
Once vidya became a multi-billion dollar industry it attracted souless investors who aren't happy just with games that make a profit. It attracted (((those))) investors who demand that every quarter profit isn't just maintained, but that it's bigger than last quarters profit. The only way to maintain that kind of business model is to suck the fun out of and psychologically engineer all your games to be addictive and invent new ways to getting suckers to pay (Like lootboxes, gachapon games, pre-order DLC, etc.). Some dumbasses would say the solution is to cause another crash but (((they))) already know the potential profitability of the games so they'd just wait until the market became big again.
The only solution is to bolster the creative power of small teams and solo devs. The recent influx of free to use engines is a big step in the right direction. But there's much work to do still.
eb8687 No.15587102
>>15585955
This is really weird time for video games. because of all the social justice nonsense and the license holders for all of these different IP you seem suicidal for some odd reason. Like I don't understand how it makes Financial sense to spend 4 billion dollars plus on a property like Star Wars and then make it divisive and unrecognizable to the people you're trying to sell it too. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
Same is true with video games these days. All of the big Publishers seem ready to betray their fans and major audiences for very little gain. It makes almost no sense. I guess the whole point is that these Mega corporations have so much money that they could make several flops every year and it really wouldn't hurt their bottom line very much. It would take like a decade or more of complete and total flops to really Dent them at all because they have trillions of dollars to work with. Not just their own Capital but they can probably borrow from any Bank in the world and get help from any government.
Vast majority of these companies probably have huge incomes from social media / mobile games that are just Skinner boxes anyway. EA can pop out as much garbage as they want because they have those sports games that sell well regardless of quality and they have high rates of microtransactions. Billions of people around the world have mobile phones and they make tiny little mobile transactions to these relatively simple and cheap to make games so the return on investment for these multi billion dollar companies is fairly High. So they can experiment freely with their major I IP's for social engineering purposes I guess.
Like Star Wars, the most egregious offenders in this category so far have been Battlefield and some other big shooter I can't remember the name of. These companies still need to worry about tarnishing brand name probably but they don't really have to worry about any kind of monetary return.
The most immediate reality to all of this is that everything we once liked is no longer for us. It's kind of a weird punishment they want to place on us for not smiling and nodding becoming content like the rest of the zombies I guess.
Every anon here can probably name least one or two franchises that they used to love or like that have been completely ruined or are in danger of being ruined. And no matter what we do we just have to suck it up because regardless of whether we vote with our wallet or not these properties aren't meant for us anymore. They want us to have the same pretentious BS that we don't like. The choice of course people say is make your own stuff but that's not quite as easy when all of the distribution channels are tainted by the same ideology. So make your own distribution Channel but once again that's not easy when distribution channels are corrupted by the same ideology that the financial system is corrupted by, the Entertainment System is corrupted by, and the political system is corrupted by. Etc to Infinity.
Our plight as video game players is really just a microcosm of the complete and total mess civilization is becoming because an elite few and their lackeys are self-absorbed delusional assholes. Never enjoyed any of these things in the first place so they don't care if they ruin them. They're just trying to get high on social capital and Power.
Our only option is to either sit back and take it, watch everything burn around us and then slip away silently into Oblivion. Or to get angry and get our Vengeance by changing things slowly but surely overtime and being as much of a thorn in the sides of the people that did this to us as possible. If they want to take our enjoyment away.. then we take theirs.
Let every one of their victories be Hollow as they are forced to live in constant fear, paranoia and resentment because we still exist.
959841 No.15587108
>survey thread
go and stay go
6662ef No.15587148
>>15586006
2005 for vidya, PS2 were in too many people's homes as dvd players by that point. 2007 is when the internet as a whole went to shit thanks to social media cancer.
>>15585960
/thread
c55233 No.15587180
>>15586232
indie, low-key titles can still make it big
I'll get shitted on for this, but Steam community/reviews/ and somewhat curators have made it easier than ever to find quality games or people with the same taste as you for recommendations.
7c9d07 No.15587187
>>15587062
I've played most of what's available in English and liked most, but have been questioning more over the last few years if I just have shitty taste, so take this as you will. Combat is party based and "instanced" (usually; Zestiria tried some on-the-field stuff), but emphasis is on artes and comboing. Allies have AI that can be tweaked (usually with more options and increasingly good default in later games), but on all console entries but Legendia and Phantasia SFC can also be multiplayer co-op controlled. Games can be 2D sprited or 3D modeled, and combat can be single plain 2D or multiplain 3D. Almost all entries use a "line of approach" Namco has called "LMBS"; the 2D games only have one for everything on the field (left/right), while most 3D ones have one active per character/monster out of 360 degree radial, with Free Roam option to move at will and change the angle of LMBS. Offense has, or at least used to have, have a sort of flow to find: normal attacks could be comboed to a limit, then chained into base, and then arcane artes (with games post Skill system being added starting to allow Base->Base, Arcane->Arcane, and Arcane->Base when set), and even beyond that, you'd find through experimentation some artes flowed better into others or not. These days they've done away with that, leaving it dependent on CC and equivalents ("AC", "Souls") to determine how lengthy a combo can be and let most offensive artes flow into each other smoothly. Other nuisances like knock down/rise and elements, as well as unique elements per game. In my experience and opinion, Eternia ("Destiny II" in NA), Symphonia, and Vesperia are decent starting points, but the farther back you go, the less refined the combat is, and some complain starting newer makes it hard for them to play the older ones. Also note that these tend to be games you play more for the combat and character interactions (both scripted and optional "skit") than high quality story, and the co-op ability can add another level of enjoyment with the right people.
I'm admittedly not as familiar with Ys as I should be (only played YS1 and some of II); if you want a comparison, the 2D combat ones are side scrolling combat similar to Swordcraft Story on the GBA (but with more emphasis on abilities and party focus than having to conserve abilities and being solo). I guess 3D might be similar to Star Ocean, but with more artes you can set and less jugglerape due to knockback, but I've only played some of First Departure (which uses the 3D combat field thing, albeit with 2D sprited characters); Tri-Ace being composed of former WolfTeam staff, there's some similarities between both, but are not the same. Knowledge of the combat systems allows for cool high level play videos, and Hardest Difficulty (name of which varies by game), No Item, No Death player made challenges are common to find.
Consider watching these as samples (potential for minor spoilers):
>Source: Tales of Eternia (2D combat; start at 0:52 sec)
https://invidio.us/watch?v=E9wHkc8E7Qs
>Source: Tales of Vesperia (3D combat; start immediately)
https://invidio.us/watch?v=HfR_husxG5w
074b33 No.15587501
>>15587102
>It makes almost no sense
It would make no sense if the end goal of the (((investors))) was money and money only, but that isn't the case. The point of spending money on propaganda isn't to make money, it's to indoctrinate people
eb8687 No.15587520
>>15587501
Right, I sort of went over that point in my posts with the social engineering and stuff. But I guess it got lost in my wall of text
185dea No.15587576
449344 No.15588322
>>15586753
Those things are cancer for sure. But the core of the problems lies in the design philosophy that started to make a foothold in 2007. It's as if the entire philosophy of designing games completely changed and for the worst. I wouldn't be surprised if it was MS that started all this cancer in the first place.
074b33 No.15588804
>>15587520
Yes, you are right, maybe I didn't read properly.
Guys I'm taking a break from forums, gl and don't forget that there are still a lot of good games out there. This year had The Messenger, Into the Breach, Bloodstained, Celeste, etc. Don't be too sad, games like these used to cost 50eur and are now <20. GL bros
9b05dc No.15588884
>>15587180
True, but the cases where the indie game in question both makes it big and is good are few and far between enough that they are exceptional in the classical sense of the word.
The lion's share of the mainstream is taken up by things that have been injected into there by the vicious cycle that occurs whenever marketing budget meets sunk cost fallacy
>invest in creator of thing
>really want to not lose that investment, so start marketing thing
>marketing thing costs money
>don't want to lose money
>intensify marketing of thing
>repeat until marketing budget is 5x bigger than creation budget
97c50b No.15588948
>>15585955
>Where did it all go so wrong?
When it started making significant money. That's what separates a niche hobby and an industry. When the hobby starts making significant money, bussinessmen smell an opportunity and come in, using every kiked thing under the sun to try and turn even more of a profit. Devs that did it for fun are either bought and strapped underneath a suit, or end in obscurity as the marketing machine fills all the radio waves.
After that happened, a lot of capital was dumped into marketable features, especially graphics. Smaller studios were unable to compete with this - big publishers' marketing campaigns stole their customer base, they didn't have the funds to achieve cutting edge graphix (which advanced really quickly at the time, as opposed to the last several years - it was a much more important aspect than today), and as such, we witnessed the death of the majority of the AA scene (the indie craze didn't begin yet back then). The market thus belonged to the bussinessmen. thanks to them dumping rotten shit on us for the past decade or so, however, indies are a thing and AA are very slowly starting to come back, as there is now a sizeable enough niche market for them that is separate from the AAA one (thus allowing them to ignore the large marketing campaigns and the latest marketable memes). Essentially, the market is normalising itself, much like the movie industry where you can also see smaller scenes that do not subscribe to Hollywood shittery and similar.
c66eb7 No.15589026
>>15585955
Quality thread, good responses all around.
To me the japanese killed vidya circa 2007. Sony, after winning the 6th gen by a landslide made the terrible mistake of pushing PS3's cell architecture hard, something which made the PS3 a pain to develop for, even Sony's own first party studios had trouble with the damn thing, this is also the reason why a lot of ports performed badly on it, despite it being the "superior" console. Sony thought that since they won the 6th gen, they had the 7th in the pocket and put little effort in the early years of the PS3, the console released with little to no games and barely any marketing, plus it was expensive as fuck at the time. Nintendo went for the casual market and they had a lot of success with it by making an underpowered console with a motion controls gimmick but they sacrificed their core fanbase and the quality of their games, a great deal of the sequels for Nintendo's main franchises released on the Wii were considered subpar with the exception of maybe Metroid Prime 3 and Super Mario Galaxy.
All of the above put Microsoft in the right place at the right time. While the PS3 had more horsepower it was unwieldy to work with and Nintendo's lack of interest in the hardcore market and any push in terms of technology gave them the unique opportunity of capitalizing on the state of the industry. Basically they won by default all of it despite the Xbox 360 having an abysmal launch & defective hardware.
The japanese shitting themselves is what gave Microsoft the foothold it has in the industry. Microsoft "winning" the 7th gen is what gave rise to 90% of the trends that would ruin gaming for years to come. It's worth mentioning that they were helped by the economic crisis because gaming was one of the few industries that was still making money despite the sorry state of the global economy. Like many pointed above, this made a lot of suits want to invest in the industry and it changed it for the worst. Now, gaming has never been an easy industry to succeed in but this new push for profits created horrible habits that still haunt us today. It's worth poiting out that many japanese franchises went to shit during the 7th. Since there was little market for traditional vidya in Japan, they shifted gears by trying to serve the western market and "appeal to the west", there are ton of examples of games ruined by trying to appeal to casuals… All being said, there's a bit of hope, the japanese are now owning the market again and there's a greater push for fun games again, even a lot of traitor franchises are trying to get back to their roots and being successful with it. But it's still not enough and will take a while and sadly some trends like microtransactions and DLC will never go away.
d4b99e No.15589104
>>15585955
what happened is that games stopped being made by simple dev teams and started being made by businesses. what this means is that the goal was not "make a fun game" but "make money". Now this was a double-edged sword. On one hand it meant they could pour more money into making games but on the other it meant that the devs are no longer calling the shots, the CEOs and producers do that now. Eventually vidya had gone completely mainstream and the social stigma of playing them has almost completely disappeared from young people. This meant that now business had two options:
A) Continue trying to make good games to appeal to the enthusiasts that have been into vidya for years now
or
B) Appeal to a much much broader audience and reel in the big bucks
Needless to say they went with B.
TL;DR: Jews.
Post yfw
131d17 No.15589125
>>15585955
>When did the fun leave vidya?
December 17th, 2005
a870c4 No.15589301
>>15585955
Anything that turns mainstream will turn to shit because the average person is stupider than the original community and everything needs to cater to them. Seems to happen to anything nerdy: Science, higher education, programming, video games. In cases where the original community is dumber than the average person, it probably won't ever go mainstream, which is why you rarely see anything that actually gets improved when it becomes popular.
dfa554 No.15589393
When Jack Thompson got disbarred.
bcc2a2 No.15589943
>tranny faggots wasting time and science trying to become women
>when all that effort should be going toward figuring out how we can turn back into shotas to fuck aras
b9e2c6 No.15590062
>>15585955
>please reinforce my beliefs
>let's circlejerk over the fact that we tend to share similar values
Alright, kiddo. Let me explain why video games may not be fun to you anymore. It could be any one of, or a combination of, the following;
1. A general sense of malaise that has been aroused by poverty, poor health, or a lack of meaningful relationships.
2. A general sense of unease at the idea that one's life is being wasted by spending a majority of one's free time on an activity that is itself perceived as a pass time that is intended for young prepubescent children rather than furthering one's career goals, skills, or achieving measurable progress in an age appropriate and socially acceptable activity.
3. A low tolerance for the contrivances of modern game design and the broader "community", such as microtransactions, DLC, episodic content, "premium editions" of games that are sold at different price points, season passes, the consolidation of "gamer culture", constant outrage over detritus and tangentially related or totally unrelated issues, the homogenization of game design and development, the effectiveness of game engines and other software components that are used to streamline the development process, the advent of online matchmaking, the emergence of the e-celeb, and a million other minor blights.
Now, this is not an exhaustive list of ailments, but this is quite comprehensive in how it can describe any given person's gradual development for the hatred of video games.
ec8352 No.15590097
>>15586286
Shenzhen was 2016, you're thinking of Opus Magnum
6f7df1 No.15590100
>>15585955
>developers loved fun games and made fun games
>games were designed to be played and have fun
modern gaming may be shit but this is peak delusion if you believe this. The gaming industry was always pretty shit, it was always a ruthless business (remember how hard they were trying to fuck over the used games market back then?), it going mainstream just further amplified it.
3a919a No.15590132
>>15585955
>When did the fun leave vidya?
The moment it started to make real money.
e719e4 No.15590133
>>15590062
Hahahaha your obsequiousness begets your soylent-like nature, omega cuck.
671cf5 No.15590200
>>15590132
This; as soon as fun started interfering with profits, it was axed with prejudice.
671cf5 No.15590214
>>15586798
>Don’t engage in debate, they might expose our retarded ideology, and put us as the Marx fellating faggots we truly are.
9cd9cc No.15590218
896c0b No.15590344
a50325 No.15590419
>>15585960
/thread
also fucking normalfag paypig goyim
69b2de No.15591374
>>15585955
>labors of love
vs
<labors of profit
That's all there is to it. The vidya that was made because of inspiration endured to remain good games, the vidya that was made to milk more money generally ended up shallow, empty, and subsequently forgotten when the next cash grab game came out.
09c957 No.15591435
>>15587060
Dude I was complaining about this shit since the early 2000s when shooters became the big genre and people started paying for Xbox Live. 2007 is just when things became terminal.
>>15586740
This. As much as people here blame "consoles" for everything, all the worst trends were popularized with Xbox, after Xbox brought those trends over from PC. The fact that we're filled with so many underage faggots who don't remember the time before 2007, when those devs who did this shit were irrelevant to all but Europoors who never had Nintendo, really goes to show how fucked we are.
>>15590062
>3. A low tolerance for the contrivances of modern game design and the broader "community", such as microtransactions, DLC, episodic content, "premium editions" of games that are sold at different price points, season passes, the consolidation of "gamer culture", constant outrage over detritus and tangentially related or totally unrelated issues, the homogenization of game design and development, the effectiveness of game engines and other software components that are used to streamline the development process, the advent of online matchmaking, the emergence of the e-celeb, and a million other minor blights.
>lists a bunch of major things
>then calls them minor
You're killing your own argument, and just saying all those things are minor isn't going to make them minor.
d97d49 No.15591487
>caring about minmaxing
Unless your goal is to completely obliterate the objectives (which is its own kind of fun) then you should just do whatever. Burnout happens so just play something else. If a depressed faggot like me can do it, then anyone should.
d97d49 No.15591491
>>15591487
Also apparently I'm illiterate as I misread the OP.
dfb605 No.15591501
>>15586481
>explosive roombas
Wonder why snackbars haven't tried that yet
>>15587102
>Like I don't understand how it makes Financial sense to spend 4 billion dollars plus on a property like Star Wars and then make it divisive and unrecognizable to the people you're trying to sell it too. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
Ultimately the goal is to turn everyone into braindead shekel-slaves who will buy anything shoved in front of them.
d4b99e No.15591570
>>15591501
>braindead shekel-slaves
but goyim that's already the case. the goys dont think they just buy whatever their favourite youtube and twitch personalities play.
f4cff2 No.15591596
When people started catering to the multiplayer audience. Multiplayer leaves you with generic, dime-a-dozen gameplay where you're limited to, at most, three playstyles.
131072 No.15591638
>When it started making real money.
That doesn't make sense, that would mean games stopped being fun since the beginning. It's more complex to the point that gaming stopped being fun when the entry-level of starting a company or hiring game devs became way too pricey for a common fag with a genuine interest in making games. Now kids go to school for game-deving, most of those fags are now out there doing the game-deving at the bigger companies, that's part of the reason it's not rock'n'roll anymore. It's not fun because there's no pulse.
And Reddit is a damn cancer aswell. Fuck that site, i think it has only made games worse in the last couple of years.
3aba39 No.15591644
>>15585955
>When did the fun leave vidya?
For me, this happened in the PS3/Xbox 360 era. It was like game devs forgot what the word "fun" meant and instead started chasing after pretty graphics. There were very few games I enjoyed from that time period, even on PC. Everything else was literal trash.
3aba39 No.15591699
>>15591675
Fortnite did not come out during that time period. Well, I never played it anyways and don't know what it's about, so I don't know if you're trying to say it's fun or not.
de9d8b No.15591883
>>15591671
Naw this is bullshit. I can still find games I never played before that I end up loving as much as my old favorites. It just turns out that they're almost all old games too. There are practically no good new ones being made. It's been this way for a long time now.
5cc7bb No.15591888
>>15591699
Mobas did. Same concept of low graphics and concentration on fun and gameplay.
5cc7bb No.15591894
>>15591883
There is thing that called nostalgia. Remembering the time when penis was hard, hair were plenty and reflexes were sharp like katana's blade.
95b83d No.15591915
>>15585955
>how was the vidya industry ruined?
implementation of online shenanigans on consoles allowed publishers nickel and dime consummers trying to turn vidya from product to service and streamlining every game so that it could be used as an online shekkel milker rather than a fun experience
>how was the gaming comunity ruined?
vidya becoming more profitable than other entretainament mediums was another nail in the coffin as it atracted gold digging whores and the npc chads that followed them
>how was the dev community ruined?
becouse it was profitable it became popular and sudenly being a game dev was like being a rockstar to millenial faggots who knew jack shit about the hobby or industry other than it was hip and trendy
back in the day, game companies made a game and could only proffit from it on the first sell, so they had incentive to cut cost and make a quality product that people would want, and the limitations in budget and tech toghether with the need to make fun stuff pushed devs creativity further
now a days there are 2 markets:
>the market that tryes to sell the "gameas are a service" meme wich are basically all the vidya that uses the internet to milk shekkels out of consummers
>the market that relies on marketing budget to sell polished turds with a velvet globe to hypetrain bandwagon jumping lemings who eat shit and ask for second while punishing any dissenters with an iron fist cus "they're just contrarian haters", basicaly the people who buy int the "Soyny experience" with shit like Dad of Boy or LGBTLOU2
5cc7bb No.15591926
>>15591915
Meanwhile most played game in the world is real F2P game. /v/ knows nothing about gaming the post
de9d8b No.15591930
>>15591894
The post you're replying to is saying that I still find games that are new to me and I love them just as much as my old favorites. It just turns out that the copyright dates on them are all from the 20th century. But sure, I have nostalgia for games I never played before.
>>15591926
>he thinks F2P games are literally "free to play" and not nickel and diming you at every turn.
5cc7bb No.15591943
>>15591930
>>he thinks F2P games are literally "free to play"
Some are some not. General F2P name is scam of course. But game in question is free to play.
95b83d No.15591958
>>15591930
>hurrdurr the most played game in the world is this undisclosed game on a genere infamous for it's deceptive name and predatory busines practices
>this statement alone prooves that /v/ (who is one person) knows nothing about vidya with the need for me to debunk any of the statements made in the comment i replied to
95b83d No.15591962
2d1dd7 No.15592196
While the mainstream vidya industry has gone to shit, there's still good new games to find and play, they're usually just hard to find. Underrail is a great modern CRPG for example, but most people have never heard of it.
98c526 No.15592203
Games as a service/product.
3aba39 No.15592216
>>15592196
That's what sucks though, you either have to put up with AAA trash or well-designed and fun RPGs that are a little depressing and disappointing because you're forced to play top-down like how you played in 90's. Some people may appreciate the novelty or the nostalgia, but it really sucks that it's the best you can hope for if you want a fun game.
There can be fun 3d games that look attractive by today's standards… but the people who make those games don't want them to be fun, they want them to be cash-grabs.
3aba39 No.15592224
>>15592215
Yeah let's go from one extreme to the opposite extreme, nothing can go wrong
98c526 No.15592243
>>15592215
>only communism can save you from capitalism goy!
We need more rope.
5720bb No.15592254
>>15592215
The left as usual can't meme for shit.
a354b3 No.15592258
>>15592224
>"Capitalism"
>extreme
0f3404 No.15592263
>>15592215
Time to call it what it is.
08ea19 No.15592282
5720bb No.15592285
>>15592274
>get told left can't meme
>respond by stealing one of /pol/s memes
ffbcf3 No.15592290
>>15590214
>do nothing but scream kike, commie, etc at someone for criticizing the economic system
>"fuck this, what's the point"
>LMAO REKD BY #INTELLECTUALDEBATE, GOML SMOLBRAIN
66f062 No.15592302
>>15592274
>word words words words words
Why are leftists so bad at this?
662480 No.15592309
>>15586878
>Beamdog releases Arcanum Enhanced Edition
>Removes Gnomish conspiracy, labels it as "problematic", replaces it with trans character.
08ea19 No.15592312
obligatory
HORSESHOE THEORY REEEEEEEEEEEE
5720bb No.15592316
>>15592302
You need a soul to actually create shit.
8e4270 No.15592318
>>15592274
>while (online == true)
>if (respond_to_left == true)
32acd5 No.15592322
>>15592305
>I'M NOT AN NPC :[
>I know, I'll call them the NPC!
>ASSIMILATES MEME
You sure proved /pol/ wrong.
1f5949 No.15592341
>>15590062
>sense of wasting time
Then why the fuck don't I get that with good games? Reality blows your Jordan Peterson-esque bafflegarble out of the water.
7981fd No.15592347
>>15592305
>the no u defense
every time
a75861 No.15592349
>>15592274
if (left_cannot_meme == true) {
stolenmemes[0].load("maga_npc.jpg");
}
>>15592305
This meme is shit because it got people to think the concept of philosophical zombies or normalfags is a new thing. on the other hand, leftists thinking the idea is an alt-right thing is hilarious
258368 No.15592355
>>15592274
>fucked up formatting
>broken syntax
>== true in conditionals
>parroting a meme back
The left really can't meme.
5720bb No.15592360
>>15592349
>This meme is shit because it got people to think the concept of philosophical zombies or normalfags is a new thing.
The concept may go back thousands of years, but the meme is good because it actually got normalfags to think about it.
505ea1 No.15592366
>>15592274
Can't come up with your own shit so you have to run the copypaste program.
111e08 No.15592419
>>15585955
is that pic from a vanilla /ss/?
1dba97 No.15592446
>>15592274
YOUR MEMES HAVE BEEN ADDED TO OUR COLLECTIVE CONSCIOUSNESS
4da437 No.15593599
>>15585955
>Games industry is born
>it's all new and fun
>lots of competition & quality
>industry catches the eye of investors
>industry turns into a bubble
>dies
>resurrected by the japanese
>renaissance lasts for 20 years
>the japanese make questionable decisions
>stock market crash
>industry catches the eye of investors
>microsoft is in charge now
>MS enables pay 2 play online, DLC, microtransactions, cosmetics, games released in a broken state, the brown fps craze, the "muh appeal to westerners" from the japanese, broken hardware, timed exclusives, etc…
>MS has it all in the bag
>Shits the bed with the PR nightmare of the Xbone
>loses before it even begins
>Sony again in the forefront
>ps4 has no game
>the japanese now have a japanese gaming market
>AAA projects get greenlit
>slow burn but some quality titles star to trickle down
>Nintendo dies with the WiiU gets back to life with the Switch
>the japanese are on fire now
>western devs now want to appeal to the japanese
>western games now have japanese dubs or subs and more of a marketing push in Japan
>the Switch gold rush
>long dead franchises getting sequels and going back to basics
>Steam's acceptance in the japanese market
>it's kinda sorta getting better but the scars will remain.
the fun might have left but is showing its plump ass again and being a whore about it
055ccd No.15593623
>>15592361
What's the proper way to solve this?
fb1cbb No.15593649
>>15593599
That whore ass is riddled with STDs, better burn it down before there is a super aids pandemic.
111e08 No.15593653
>>15593599
>DLC
wasnt that bethesta fault with the whole horse armor?
2d1dd7 No.15593669
>>15593623
Make like Icarus and fly towards the Sun.
fcb6eb No.15593674
>>15592274
>>15592305
>when an NPC uses the NPC meme
0a3350 No.15593694
>>15592274
>That code
Apparently the left can't code either, but everyone already knew that.
eeed25 No.15593732
Damn! You guys have a huge "left" and "jew" fetish!
0bed51 No.15593868
>>15586481
>>15586473
WHERE IS THE PC VERSION BAMCO????
0bed51 No.15593872
>>15593868
>>15593868
I just remembered that they were published by D3
Apologies for my misblaming and faggotry
88a2ab No.15593882
>>15592305
>>15592274
>all those (You)s
Congrats, anon. You riled up the npcs.
8e4270 No.15593905
>>15593882
What's so bad about being an NPC, anyway? It sounds like a simple and quiet life.
0879f2 No.15593931
jews
making it mainstream
catering to retards
lowering the common denominator
dbe6d8 No.15594156
I wouldn't even say that it's the casuals. The casuals are just new and now nothing so it's easier to trick them.
>>15585960
/thread
dbe6d8 No.15594158
>>15594156
*know
forgive me; not my native lang
672750 No.15595352
>>15586878
>alleged white nationist symbols are globally ubiquitous geometric symbols
>most portraits are based on historic photographs
>donn throgg is half nigger
>tolkienesque fantasy archetypes were generally never meant to be racialist
made me reply
eb8687 No.15595425
File: 2fd2e299bef4680⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 41.54 KB, 362x624, 181:312, inked_easter_by_shiroikiba….jpg)
>>15585955
>>not so obvious trace?
7db049 No.15595475
>>15586904
>that faggot sitting on the tree talking about "bashing the fash"
where have i seen him before. oh yeah, that's right. he "bashed the fash" by kicking a female pro-life protester for no reason.
if faggots like him ever tried to fight an actual fascist they'd be bleeding and unconscious in half a second.
88477b No.15595824
For me? Back in the 90's when they started pushing 3D for every genre. Take pic for example. I liked those kind of first-person perspective RPGs when they were more like Bard's Tale. But then they went and made it a walking simulator. Games like Elder Scrolls started out that way outright and had arcade combat, which I don't want.
94beee No.15595843
>All games are now shit because a few devs/publishers I dont even follow or haven't played any of their games in a decade have started to rip off soyboys.
I can still find good shit to play.
What's your problem?
b67ad0 No.15596074
>>15586370
Grab the meta skill of the month, 150% life minimum, and vacuum up all the more multipliers that are near the starting point on the tree for the super-talents you needed to take for your meta skill.
There are NO decisions involved in poe building, and the "best" items (like lycosidae literally turning off misschance for free) stay on top no matter what patch or build you're playing until GGG capriciously ruins your builds.
Build ruining is pretty profitable when you make your money off of selling people different MTX for different skills.
And you probably take a cut of all real money trades too ;)))
944dae No.15602635
>>15585955
They make games for NPCs now. They need to have specific instruction sets fed into their brains, which destroys the fun in games. Part of the fun in games is figuring out what to, they can not.
cb779c No.15602645
>>15602635
It's called subvocalization, how has noone realized that yet?
And how does noone know how to do it? Is there something wrong with the education system or something.
983e01 No.15602922
>>15586224
Exactly what OP is saying then.
Autistic min maxing =/= good minmaxing.
1a3caf No.15602931
>>15602922
Autistic is shorthand for complex and/or full of depth. Neither of those things are common.
52852d No.15604538
>>15586147
Why is she crying? I want to tell her it will be okay.
eb8687 No.15604555
>>15585955
Does anybody know the source of OP's image?
e4cad7 No.15604575
Everytime i start thinking i'm growing out of vidya i rev up something old like Doom, or even just a decade old like Saints Row 2 and i'm reminded that nope, it's just modern vidya that's fucking trash.
2d9c78 No.15604590
>>15604538
The sad Office Lady comics are terrible. They're a highlight of how women are not and can not be satisfied by pretending to be men and working as men do. . Ask yourself why, in Norway, for example, 85% of nurses are female, and 85% of engineers are male, regardless of how hard the education system has tried to reverse the roles. The answer is quite innocent. It comes in the form of the most common response from school children, “That sounds boring.”
Japan, for all the whining from weebs that "it has remained a traditionalist culture," has not. It lost the war, and in doing so, lost to jews. It supplantation of jewish bullshit has been slower than in other places, but it has happened. While many japanese women don't even like the idea of feminism, they still go to work like men and wind up sad and alone. Like men. And like the Office Lady.
654793 No.15604595
Do we have to have this thread like every month?
>the year is 2007
>impressionable soyboys have only just begun to slurp negro semen on the regular
>they go around fawning over big names in Hollywood and pretentious literature critics attempting to validate games as high art
>culprits include trendy pseudo intellectual fags perhaps best represented by Rock Paper Shotgun
>they think that it's the ideal time to do this because Jack Thompson just got put to bed and they have lingering good publicity for shitting on him
>publishers believe them when these journos tell them people want games to be like Hollywood
>they succeeded
That's basically all there is to it.
2d9c78 No.15604607
>>15604595
>Do we have to have this thread like every month?
Yes, because redditors are allowed to post here.
654793 No.15604625
>>15604590
It's not really Jew related in regards to Japan, except for some cultural influence like banning public bathhouses because Protestant American generals thought it was disgusting (indirectly Jew related due to who has the influence in our nation). They had to work extremely hard to catch up to the developed world after the war and now that they've succeeded, they continue to work hard because they want to compete with the developed world; except they have little real estate, no natural resources except salt and fish, and lower population as well. They also don't really do the whole immigration thing. Compounding that is a frankly abusive hierarchical social structure which often extends well beyond reason. This all puts an enormous amount of pressure on their young and able people and forces women to work, which causes them to have no time for relationships (quoted from Jap women themselves), which causes the pool of able bodied people to dry up. Eventually something must happen to put it back in equilibrium, and the Jap government is well aware of this. They also have to contend with their citizens being as politically retarded as Americans in some cases, like the whole cram school thing.
0e5d34 No.15604632
>>15585960
excuse me, there's a stray /thread on my shirt, it's annoying.
52852d No.15605090
>>15604590
The real crux of the problem is putting women on the workforce in general. Unless it's medical or foodservice the job would almost always be done better by a man. Men, of course, are competent and in control enough to maintain a healthy balance of work and life. Women cannot, so they spend a lot of time working. Of course, this is worse in Japan where work-life balance is a laughable concept in the first place.
767d7e No.15605644
>>15586370
> I simply wanted to see how absurd the number of clones I could get was
This is perhaps one of the most important parts in checking if someone is an NPC , In "Squad" 99% of people I encounter never cared to read the control scheme , they never watched a guide , they never ask themselve the question "What happens if I do X" they never cared to try things out to see what works , like the pic of that child holding a gameboy and trying to use it like a touch screen , only that they are 20+ and that kind of thinking never came to them , and never will
536a7e No.15605848
>>15605769
I thought people have finally fucked off with the candlejack meming. It's seriously isn't t
e3b158 No.15612364
c00680 No.15613116
It never did, vidya just stopped being good.
4436f9 No.15613323
>>15605848
I know what you're talking about, anon. Shit got lame years ag
7d590d No.15613369
>>15613116
>Dragon Quest XI.
Hey don't knock what Square Enix pulled off with DQXI.
It is now universally recognised as the most boring safe JRPG ever made.
8d9f4d No.15613406
It's simple, really.
As the market expanded, it had to start pandering to new audiences in order to continue growing. Around 2007 or so because of course that year, it became increasingly obvious that casuals were not only a viable source of income, but might be an even better source of income than core gamers. So markets started to pander increasingly towards them. Their definition of "fun" differed from the definition of fun that gamers up until that point had, so devs shifted from the fun you know, to the mindless "fun" that they know. Of course, this was primarily affecting AAA games, whereas the more niche stuff applied to more niche definitions of fun, for better or for worse.
Long story short, demographics changed, and the type of fun devs tried to create differed from your preferred kind of fun.
ef8459 No.15613464
>>15586235
>hack recode
>re-release of an old series, with a shitty filter
>intentionally casualised the game, not just with the cheat mode but the base mode is also casualised
Yeah if that's a good game then go fuck yourself
023458 No.15613474
>>15586227
>this and last year
呪いの魔剣に闇憑き乙女
天結いキャッスルマイスタ
ランス10
>in next two months
封緘のグラセスタ
ギルドマスター
イブニクル2
It's a great year for PC gaming.
28c168 No.15613486
>>15613406
2007, yeah. The late 1990's to early 2000's games were consistently incredible. Then in the later-part of the 2000's the soul was sucked out of everything, gaming included. Ooga booga music became the only thing on the speakers, people became reality TV show imitators, money was lost in the market collapses, feminism got really big.. Games lost their fun.
c7d110 No.15619155
>>15613406
Then why the SJW shit? There's no money in that.
87935f No.15620160
Is there a list of game recommendations anywhere?
For when I'm in a single player mood. Finished a lot of the ones I was meaning to play and picking something new up seems like wading through a fucking landfill of garbage.
Like action games, immersive Sims and weebshit
77e56c No.15620244
>>15604590
>Japan, for all the whining from weebs that "it has remained a traditionalist culture," has not. It lost the war, and in doing so, lost to jews. It supplantation of jewish bullshit has been slower than in other places, but it has happened. While many japanese women don't even like the idea of feminism, they still go to work like men and wind up sad and alone. Like men. And like the Office Lady.
Everything people say about Japan is just projection.
ddf81f No.15620266
>>15620244
Great argument. I totally believe you now.
62375c No.15620275
>>15613474
>イブニクル2
I didn't even know this was in the works, let alone so close to release.
77e56c No.15620305
>>15620266
Ok, you keep believing that everything is Japan's problem. I'm sure that will somehow stop the decline and death of the West.
ddf81f No.15620313
>>15620305
Nowhere was that said or implied. Learn how to read.
d513cb No.15620326
>>15585955
Because only midsized studios tend to make good games, as they're often perfectly in between "let's make profit" and "let's make a fun game". You just witnessed all the decent midsized companies that you knew turning to bigger companies, taken over by subhumans and then repurposed to produce shit for maximum profit and propaganda. If you want good games look for the midsized companies of today.
dd8a79 No.15626530
>>15620305
Weeb trash pls leave.
f4fdd3 No.15627589
>>15586904
>>15595475
Everything about this faggot irritates me also i had a "friend" who defended his actions and revealed his true colors short story he began shit flinging so we don't see each other anymore. You literally can't trust your friends now days.
34a01e No.15627650
>>15586798
>my greed trumps everything
You're never going to be rich.
ca86dc No.15627662
>>15586987
>Sonic Mania
>bad
You'll have to explain your shitpost.
479017 No.15627964
>>15595475
that video is hilarious
0b5ad6 No.15627988
>>15585955
>autistic minmax garbage
The players did this one, not the developers. Compare the way people played shit like OS Coonscape to the way they play it now, even though it's fundamentally still the same simple game. The players got older and decided everything needed to be as 'efficient' as possible, even at the expense of having fun.
ace0ec No.15633970
>>15595352
>Butt bangled cuck Can't see what's right infront of his fucking eyes
<Gets triggered and cuckposts out of soyrage
f1ffb8 No.15634001
>>15585955
Don't play AAA games. The A stands for ass.
>>15586740
Also this.
4e9060 No.15634013
Mega Man 11 is genuinely fun. Best Mega Man game sense Mega Man X. I also am having alot of fun playing Dragon Quest XI. Eleven seems to be a lucky number.
f1ffb8 No.15634021
>>15634013
>Fun with DQXI
>FUN
>DQXI
Its bad to tell fibs Anon.
069312 No.15634027
>>15585955
When developers wanted video games to be art yet release shoddy bug ridden games
4e9060 No.15634033
>>15613369
>Square Enix makes dozens of garbage experiential RPGs that cater to a casual audience and they flounder
<AHH SHIT THIS CRAP SUCKS 'MEMBER CHRONO TRIGGER xD?!
>Square Enix makes a tradtional RPG that is great!
<AHH SHIT THIS CRAP SUCKS TRADITION SUCKS! VOTE HILLARY 2020 XD!
you can never make contrarians happy.
>>15634021
It's genuinely a good JRPG, probably the best JRPG in years.
fa12a9 No.15634047
>>15602645
Education system is made to kill this ability under the guise of "teaching critical thinking skills".
Almost foolproof, because it programs NPC's to take in directives and contradictory statements as something they came up with on their own.
Actual human when confronted with reality that doesn't match preconceptions, adjusts his views to match reality.
31d13c No.15634048
>>15586130
that image is just a gay version of pic related