0d872b No.15584409
What are the most annoying ciriticsms for games that you hear being propagated among people and annoy you the most? For me I'm often annoyed of the criticism that the Japanese games have "cheesy dialogue", because it's most often put against games that are either being cheessy on purpose, or games with an atmosphere that critics simply do not understand.
A perfect example of this is Metal Gear. People often say that this series has bad cheesy dialogue, and because of that is badly written. It's a game based in the atmosphere of action B-movies for fuck's sake, of course it's going to be cheesy, that's the fucking point.
6ffc3d No.15585361
>>15584409
>What are the most annoying ciriticsms for games that you hear being propagated among people and annoy you the most?
When people just say "it's shit" without substantiating their opinion with actual facts. It's not annoying in the sense that I have difficulty dealing with hearing that shit - quite the contrary, I'm on /v/, after all. However, it just instills within me a great sense of disappointment that makes me not even want to talk with anyone about video games in general. There's always some retard who has to be retarded and for no other reason than because they think it's funny or they want to see the world burn.
ccf016 No.15585370
>>15585337
Is it just is or is it most like these that make me believe that we've been invaded by edgy Gen X faggots who look down on everyone else? Cause that's what it feels to me, suddenly you can't have a video games discussion without some faggot laughing at you for playing games at all
b48684 No.15585385
>>15585337
>my shit game was broken at launch which clearly has no correlation as the the quality of life in the future
>but its good now its fixed!
sounds awfully familiar
776a37 No.15585396
>>15585337
>Shit talk metal gear
>Defending Andromeda
2a6a02 No.15585409
>>15584409
Starcraft being a "gookclick". Its not even a criticism, its a shitpost meme that's used as if it is criticism by people who can't provide a good reason besides considering their C&C game being better than it in some minor way that Starcraft doesn't focus on as a game
>>15585337
10/10
>>15585361
>a standard shitpost makes me want to give up talking about video games
"its shit" is so generic of a post that its just funny to me. You shouldn't let it affect you at all, that phrase is practically /v/ culture at this point
6f78af No.15585422
>>15584409
>What are the most annoying ciriticsms for games that you hear being propagated among people and annoy you the most?
Bandwagon trend-following retards who regurgitate the sane bullshit, even if it's a fucking lie or incorrect, and they just double down instead of accepting that they were retard npcs.
601b0c No.15585458
>>15585449
Have you ever played MGS?
88e6a4 No.15585467
>>15584409
"Sonic goes too fast for his own good. The game doesn't want you to go fast, otherwise you would always run into an obstacle that you literally have no way to protect yourself from."
ccf016 No.15585470
>>15585449
I don't even care for Japanese games, you fucking boomer. Go back to Reddit.
b48684 No.15585471
>>15585449
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ada99e No.15585483
Class-based team games being criticized on the basis that one class should be able to solo any other class.
2c8596 No.15585488
>>15585449
This bait was funny.
What's not funny is the amount of faggots who fell for it.
ccf016 No.15585496
2c8596 No.15585504
>>15585467
Fuck the classic Sonic games tbh
>hurr durr hold right on the d-pad and press jump sometimes to win
8c0588 No.15585516
>>15585337
imagine having such shit opinions
a8bdaa No.15585520
>>15585467
The perspective of the second pic's ground is fucked up
914c81 No.15585536
>>15585488
some people just want to let their rage out. i don't want to believe anons are that stupid.
c65490 No.15585541
>>15585504
You actually hold down and press jump a lot to win.
4149e0 No.15585560
>>15585483
Which is a stupid criticism when the far easier one to make is that half of the people that play those games are retarded and the other half is on the enemy team. Of course on the off chance that you do get on a good team the game becomes fucking boring because it just turns into a stomp at that point.
73369e No.15585565
>>15584409
The cheesy dialogue on most nip games are the fault of the localization team 90% of the time, that's what's the most infuriating part about it. Those cocksuckers who think that western people can't handle or understand what japs are into are part of a ploy to dumb down the masses and they fucking think they do society a favor for doing so. It isn't new, even though it got progressively worse because part of the early 00s weebs became SJWs.
I actually hate people not understanding Poe's law far more than those who criticize shit. They think their irony is funny while it only leads to retards spewing the same shit while being serious. Sarcasm is only effective in person, when one can see and hear the other's non-verbal cues, not in writing.
a2c738 No.15585591
>tier lists dictate a game too much!
>when he’s a fucking pleb who would get bodybagged by other slightly better plebs.
>when tier lists even in games as shittily balanced as Melee barely matter until your able to get out of pools.
4537b0 No.15585624
Anything that ends with
>…but that's just my opinion (:
and/or
>it's all subjective anyway
Fuck you, be willing to defend your shit if you're making a statement. It's such a non-argument and invalidates everything they say, and leads to no interesting conversations. Imagine if everyone just stated things and nobody bothered to try and converse or use the Socratic method to further rationalize their viewpoints. It'd be like tumblr, but even worse (somehow).
For a more specific example,
>artificial difficulty
when discussing Dark Souls 1 & 3 (fuck 2, the deliberately unpredictable enemy placement and absurd hitboxes/frames is definitely bullshit). It started off as an "ironic shitpost" meme that actual retards picked up and perpetuated (which was the point, I guess). It holds no weight when you consider that the same retards saying this can't define what "difficulty" is to begin with, so they have no frame for referencing what could possibly be "artificial" about it.
6ffc3d No.15585697
>>15585409
>"its shit" is so generic of a post that its just funny to me. You shouldn't let it affect you at all, that phrase is practically /v/ culture at this point
It's not that it bothers me, it's that if you're the type of person who's so fucking lazy that you won't even put forth the effort to make an intelligible argument in condemnation of a game's weaknesses, then you should just shut the fuck up and let people who actually care contribute to the conversation.
At any rate, after some consideration, I've concluded that it's the retards who make poorly constructed arguments that aren't built on facts and reasoning who are more annoying than retards who just say, "it's shit" and move on. I know I haven't really addressed any specific criticisms that are constantly thrown at specific games, but in my opinion it's the type of idiot who makes shitty arguments that is more of a nuisance than anything that may flow from his mouth, because half the time people tend to shit out half-truths and references to the source material that could be used to make an interesting or cohesive point, but fall flat because their reasoning is flawed somehow. When this shit happens, any attempt at conversation is hopeless, because the vast majority of people will just go "nuh uh" and generally remain unwilling to see their own flawed premises. There are some that even know they're talking shit and won't admit it because they want an "ebic trole :DDDD" gotcha moment more than meaningful discussion. It's also possible that some people are just unable to see how they could ever be wrong on any given point.
Yeah, when people are generally intellectually dishonest, that shit's pretty fucking annoying.
2d322c No.15585706
>>15584409
About the only real thing that gets me is people who try so hard to pretend they play any game they criticize as a cheap way to make their opinions seem more legitimate.
4537b0 No.15585708
>>15585560
If you think that's bad, you should try Robocraft
>team based vehicle building game
>matches are 5v5
>there is no match sorting
>anybody on any team could possibly be anything
>matches can possibly be a team of 5 aircraft vs 5 ground robots with no anti-air
>players can join together in a party
>party cap is 5
>you can have an entire 5-man squad of all aircraft and stomp pubs
what a waste of a fucking game
4537b0 No.15585725
>>15585706
>goobergators find a bunch of game journo's steam accounts
>they match up the games they've played vs playtime
>it's almost always 1-2 hours tops
say what you will about gooblygott, that shit was eye opening
65a76f No.15585729
>>15585706
See I actually think that you're an imbecile and one of the worst fucking arguments is when fanboys try to appeal to experience when defending their game. "u mad cuz u bad", "implying you've ever played it", etc.
e2365c No.15585749
>>15585706
>oh, but you've played through it, you can't possibly hate it that much"
>why didn't you just stop playing if you don't like it?
b62333 No.15585751
>>15585729
>>15585749
what about this one guys
>play game for an hour or two and say it fucking sucks
>"It gets better at the 10 to 20 hour mark"
>play game for 10 to 20 hours; still didn't like it
>"YOU PLAYED IT THAT LONG YOU CLEARLY ENJOYED IT"
65a76f No.15585765
>>15585749
I've played through certain games before just so I could fully understand exactly how and why they were so bad. I end up knowing the games better than the fanboys who defend them and they still pull these retarded arguments.
9d9855 No.15585784
>>15585624
>It holds no weight when you consider that the same retards saying this can't define what "difficulty" is to begin with, so they have no frame for referencing what could possibly be "artificial" about it.
Anon, that would have required them to play a pre-5th gen game that wasn't made by Nintendo, and play it for more than 2 hours.
<This fucking thing right here is a prime example of artificial difficulty, but you don't fully comprehend how bullshit it is until the final level.
c00f4d No.15585803
>>15584409
>>15585565
>The cheesy dialogue on most nip games are the fault of the localization team 90% of the time.
That's wrong though. A lot of gook games have such terrible dialogue because it's written by no-life nerds who don't even know how a natural conversation between people sounds like because they were mostly shut-in losers for the majority of their lives until they got into videogames. Same goes for anime. Weirdo incel losers and low intelligence monkeys can't write natural sounding dialogue or a story that isn't retarded or boring/rehashed. That's why writing in videogames is in such a shitty state.
9d9855 No.15585814
c00f4d No.15585815
>>15585697
>It's not that it bothers me, it's that if you're the type of person who's so fucking lazy that you won't even put forth the effort to make an intelligible argument in condemnation of a game's weaknesses, then you should just shut the fuck up and let people who actually care contribute to the conversation.
FUCK YOU I WON'T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME
Plus putting effort into internet posts just shows how much of a sad loser you are ;)
c00f4d No.15585828
>>15585385
bf4 got fixed though and became one of the best online fps of all time.
4537b0 No.15585832
>>15585784
Welcome to the Machine wasn't too bad, albeit requiring some really quick reaction timing if you didn't just memorize it.
Fuck the fight with the "evil asterite", though. That was 110% pure bullshit for sure.
218c23 No.15585837
>"it's dated"
Literally tells me nothing about the game except it's more than a week old. And in the rare instance they try to substantiate the claim, they're literally just saying it's too complex for them to understand. It's like these game journo-tier idiots can't realize autistically detailed games have a decent niche.
4537b0 No.15585839
>>15585815
>Plus putting effort into internet posts just shows how much of a sad loser you are ;)
I get that you're being ironic and satirizing the retards who think like this, but fuck that exact line of thought. Why did effort and passion suddenly become "uncool"?
inb4 happy merchant
2a6a02 No.15586008
>>15585839
because autism became a popular insult and reddit got popular (the site where circlejerking a hot one-line lazy opinion and "looking cool" got you positive reinforcement (upboats))
2a6a02 No.15586017
>>15586008
oh, also the value of shitposting and memes (also for the purpose of "looking cool") got grossly overvalued by the same shallow, lazy retards
6f8b5d No.15586111
>>15584409
Kojima sued the translator for criticizing the writing being subpar in the MGS-games anon.
d30afe No.15586339
When people try to explain that game X is shit because it is not like game Y which everyone knows did a thing better, even though game X is not trying to be like game Y at all, treating game Y like some kind of universal golden standard all other games in its genre have to adhere to if they want to be considered good, instead of presenting game X's quality on purely its own merits.
Like, there's plenty of people who rag on Serious Sam's levels for being giant flat open spaces, and therefore the level design sucks because its layout is overly simplistic, unlike games with good level design (read: Doom/Quake). But Serious Sam is a game about fighting hundreds of enemies at once who like to charge towards you, as you have to thin the hordes long enough before the enemies catch up to you and shit goes to hell, kind of like a tower defense game where you are the tower. There's no way you can put all those enemies in a more complex environment without risking constant enemy bottlenecking that invalidates most enemy variety when only one or two enemies can get to you at once, or risking overwhelming the player with loads of mobile enemies in incredibly small environments. The only way you can make work then is to reduce the amount of enemies, but Serious Sam stops being Serious Sam if you take away the massive enemy hordes, turning it into yet another Doom clone instead. Hell, there's more to level design than rating it by how complex it looks in the automap.
You could briefly see this with Devil Daggers too where people projected their expectations of what a FPS should be, and ended up majorly disappointed when they got an arena FPS which took place on an entirely flat arena with enemies everywhere, even though applying "actual level design" to the game just wouldn't work because of how Devil Daggers is structured mechanically for reasons tl;dr. People like to rag on nuDoom, a game I don't even like that much either, for its combat largely taking place in arenas, even though that wasn't really the problem. Arena combat in FPS games can work, nuDoom just executed it really poorly, but people took to arena combat as something inherently bad as if "good level design" (read: Doom/Quake again) would magically solve everything. The funny part is that nuDoom had secret levels which were literally the levels of Doom with nuDoom enemies placed them, and they still played out like shit for reasons you can't solely blame the level design for.
a18ad6 No.15586367
>>15586285
But MHW is a crappy game, it lacks content, variety is almost non existent from monsters to gear designs, the new moves and additions to the player aren't properly balanced with the old and most of the new monsters leading to half-baked game, the changes to how items work like being able to use them while moving, infinite access to your item box during a quest, no combo failure and less items needed for combos like potions being made from only herbs and not herbs + blue mushrooms (is it even a combination at this point?) which all leads to a game where healing is easier and more abundant since you don't have to fill your inventory with items to ensure crafting success, the removal of load zones end up making chasing the monster take longer since they replaced load zones with corridors so a 2-3 second load screen is now a 5-20 second sprint, some old monsters becoming slow, etc.
All these things lead to a game that doesn't know its identity, it's trying to be new but afraid of change so you get a half assed game that shits in the face of the series in terms of core gameplay (hunts themselves), the overall gameplay (preparation means fuck all when you can eat and restock at base camp during a quest, in fact failure state for a lot of quests gets removed out the window, capture quests are much easier now because you can tell when the monster is near dead by the heartbeat monitor and if you waste a trap, which get deployed much MUCH faster now by the way, you can just go grab another, no need to have materials to make more during a quest in case you mess up). There's some good ideas in there, being able to see the weapon tree is nice since you can prepare in advance (being able to refund upgrades is dumb though, you can see the tree now, commit to your damn decisions) or tracking down monsters using environmental clues and exploration, but they're so afraid of pushing away the casual that they add crap like scoutflies. The entire game was designed around a different audience so it comes across as a casualized entry that fails in almost every regard as a Monster Hunter game.
inb4 Tri was just as bad, it was pretty bad due to missing weapons, low monster count and water combat being a mixed bag, but at least a good chunk of the new monsters were fucking unique and they weren't afraid to try something new like underwater combat instead of mostly rehashes of already done content, no new skeletons, a fear of doing new things that might scare away people and damn near complete absence of challenge outside of Tempered and Arch-tempered where they just crank up the damage and call it difficulty, if I wanted to play Dark Souls's NG+ wouldn't I play World, I'd shoot myself for wanting to play the very definition of lazy artificial difficulty in increasing damage numbers and calling it a day.
a18ad6 No.15586387
>>15586385
The only hip check I have an issue with is fucking Plesioth, but then again fuck that entire monster in the goddamn eyeballs, piece of shit motherfucker won't come out of the water and sonic bombs just make it pissed, 3U might have been easy as fuck (thanks 50 free armor in the western release because the localizers thought everyone was a casual like them) but at least I could swim after the bastard but I digress. Outside of that asshole, hip checks serve the same purpose as charge attacks or tail spins, prevent the player from being extremely aggressive and rushing the monster down with impunity and no fear of retaliation and can be avoided if you play smart.
Sorry for jumping to conclusions anon, I agree with you that just saying that it's bastardized or different is a non-argument. Explain WHY the differences are bad to the game or series you're talking about, don't just hand wave arguments with buzzwords.
c6590e No.15586442
>complaints about Aim Down Sights just because it was popularized by arcade us marine shooters
Stop! Remove the filthy HUD and crosshairs, and give me rail sights please. HUDs are distracting and lead to burn-in (which is still a problem no matter how much you deny it). I don't have crosshairs tattooed on my retinas.
>>15586364
>olddoom are shit
olddoom is a solid meal, hampered by the hardware it was designed for. Mouselook, engine rewrites and compatible shaders bring out the best of the game.
Your contrarian desires are too obvious to be ignored.
3978c7 No.15586566
>>15586543
>There is nothing wrong with his hip check
You never played the old games.
17d000 No.15586584
When people bitch about turn-based. What, you couldn't wait a few minutes? You need constant fucking action and explosion or else you die of inactivity or something? Seriously..it's called patience, folks and if you're easily bored, go jingle some keys in front of your face than playing vidya.
a18ad6 No.15586590
>>15586583
>goes up to Plessy and wave
>it actually comes out instead of swimming for 5+ minutes shooting water beams at you from time to time
What sorcery is this?
3978c7 No.15586631
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>15586583
So you did play them and just think getting hit several feet behind the attack by nothing is completely fine?
f1052e No.15586693
Retards bitching about the stealth based Agreus fight in LoS 2 who cry that stepping in the leaves makes noise and gets you killed when you have a mist form that allows you to move over all the leaves without making a sound.
17d000 No.15586694
>>15586665
What kind of game is that? Etrian?
f1052e No.15586717
>>15585803
That's not wrong. I played ToX in Japanese and just hearing the dialogue from some of the dubbed scenes, they made everything sound completely retarded. Sprinkling in phrases like "kittenz n rainbowz" and "what r u 5".
7ed569 No.15586732
>>15585565
>The cheesy dialogue on most nip games are the fault of the localization team 90% of the time, that's what's the most infuriating part about it.
No it's not, when it's not memeified, the dialogue in jap games feels like it's been rip straight out of a light novel. If you don't know what I mean, it's pretty fucking bad. Published fan fiction bad. That being said I rather have that, than shitty meme jokes.
17d000 No.15586734
>>15586731
>They say that….when that thing you don't like is part of the goddamn system
430067 No.15586735
>>15586285
Rotten redditor?
17d000 No.15586742
>>15586732
Then again, light novels are an excuse for folks to read for husbandos and waifus.
7ed569 No.15586770
>>15586742
Sometime I forget that because it has a premise I find interesting, only to remember it after the author squanders the potential of the it. I only have myself to blame.
d30afe No.15586791
>if you don't like it, just don't use it
except this overpowered bullshit weapon or mechanic completely invalidates the challenge of the whole game and makes it less fun, and the only thing keeping things in balance is me having to restrain myself so I don't break the entire fucking game
you'd be basically given a fucking win button which can cheese any encounter, and resources for it regenerate or are plentiful enough
even worse when the game is designed around the usage of said bullshit, the most optimal strategy would still be to mercilessly abuse the win button
it doesn't make sense that I'd have to restrain myself by not using overpowered bullshit when there exist difficulty settings on top, why doesn't ANON MUST DIE difficulty prevent me from cheesing things with it if this difficulty is meant to fuck my asshole? wouldn't it make sense more sense if the highest difficulty disabled all the crutches, like how Bayonetta on Infinite Climax disabled Witch Time?
of course I'm not that much of an ass to play the most optimal way no matter what, but these restrictions should be imposed by the game mechanically or through difficulty settings instead of me having to hold back, it's more fun if you can use all gameplay system to their full extent without the knowledge that if you do X thing you can cheese everything
it also makes talking to others about the difficulty of a game less frustrating because everyone is more likely to have played the same game
with that what I mean is someone who played Bayonetta by spamming healing items played a completely different game from someone trying to play the game in just a regular way without even going for platinum trophies
it'd be like if everyone was talking about some hard boss in Dark Souls and this one guy came in and said "aren't you just supposed to use summons?"
b20673 No.15586793
>>15586285
Shouldn't you be blogposting on Reddit about your depression, Rotten?
cd0450 No.15586812
>>15586590
Ive saved people from getting gibbed while they were stunned with a taunt, the emote that is.
4b4e6e No.15586815
>>15586285
>He's still pretending all critics against MHW are one-liners without arguments
Seriously, what's your major malfunction? Do you even fool yourself?
9d9855 No.15586860
>>15586584
The reason a lot of turn-based games suck is because you might as well turn on the auto feature and not even play the fucking thing. Grandia fixed this by making the combat actually fun. Also, I liked what they did in Wild Arms 2 (However, I haven't play enough turn-based RPGs to know why I liked that games combat due to how "standard" it is in design).
0ae3f8 No.15586884
>>15585749
That's a valid question though.
A possible answer might be because you want to at least finish it after spending your money on it.
But then there's stuff like Skyrim where everyone on /v/ pretends they hate it yet they all have around 2000 hours logged on it.
d30afe No.15586900
>>15585749
>>15586884
I always just say
>I kept playing to see if it would get any better, but it didn't
21bf5e No.15586975
>it’s a reddit game
>it’s a lefty propaganda game
>its a tumblr meme game
This is the most retard argument anyone can use, it doesn’t explain anything about the game outside of the politica which dosent matter in vidya anyway and it’s a free pass to kill any convo since spastic kids will jump and agree with it just becasue it trigger their automatic response
c6a8be No.15586992
>>15584409
>People often say that this series has bad cheesy dialogue, and because of that is badly written. It's a game based in the atmosphere of action B-movies for fuck's sake, of course it's going to be cheesy, that's the fucking point.
I have never heard this ever. I usually hear people pointing out the pacman stealth, which is enough for me to never play it.
0ae3f8 No.15587002
>>15586975
On one hand I don't want Tumblr faggot devs getting a red cent from me ever. Even if their game keeps the SJW wank to a minimum I still don't want them having my money.
On the other hand some people can not get politics out of their head and have to over analyse everything as some sort of Jewish subliminal brain washing.
I just look at YouTube vids of games and decide for myself.
12e103 No.15587033
>X mechanic makes the game too easy
THEN STOP FUCKING USING IT YOU DUMB CUNT
e2365c No.15587045
>>15586884
I just like finishing what I start. I bail on games if they're really, really fucking bad, or if they outright piss me off by pulling some bullshit. Mediocre or uninteresting games I can coast through no problem, but almost everything that comes out falls under that category. Skyrim falls into the mediocre and uninteresting categories too
>>15586975
I think that's because /pol/ is more normalfags than actual people right now, and discussing a game with actual arguments isn't something normalfags do.
0c194a No.15587046
>A perfect example of this is Metal Gear. People often say that this series has bad cheesy dialogue, and because of that is badly written. It's a game based in the atmosphere of action B-movies for fuck's sake, of course it's going to be cheesy, that's the fucking point.
I've never seen this argument get used for Metal Gear ever, it's always that whenever the game takes itself seriously it falls horrifyingly flat on it's face and it should have just stayed a B movie instead of trying to be pretentious garbage.
b69bbd No.15587049
Morrowind.
>lelelelel you can't hit anything xDDD arm flailing simulator xDDDDDDDDD
THEN LEVEL
THE FUCKING
WEAPON SKILL
fed136 No.15587059
>if the moment to moment gameplay isn't great this invalidates everything else about the game
Basically autistic gameplay purists should be shot.
ba90e3 No.15587074
>>15587033
How about I just not play the damn game then if I'm not suppose to use every asset the game makes available for the player?
fed136 No.15587096
>>15587074
Its up to you how you want to play. Same way you choose to avoid enemies instead of fighting them.
8372ba No.15587105
>I can't play it because it has an overhead view.
>I can't play it because it gives me motion sickness.
>I can't play it because of the graphics. It doesn't look new.
>That game's old I can't play it.
>I won't play it if it doesn't have online.
>It's too hard.
>I don't like beat'em ups that I can't just button mash through.
>I don't like Bayonetta because I don't want to beat up angels.
>I don't want to play Japanese because they're all tentacles and rape.
>I don't like games with a lot of text because I don't like reading.
12a5b4 No.15587115
>>15587105
>I can't play it because it gives me motion sickness
This one is legitimate, I couldn't play Rage because of this although I love shitty games. Made me mad.
0c194a No.15587123
>>15587105
>I don't want to play Japanese because they're all tentacles and rape.
4/10, gave me a minor under my breath laugh.
9734a1 No.15587127
>>15584409
My annoyance is very similar to what's going on with Goblin Slayer. It's extremely annoying to hear people decry all of the sex and violence in Japanese games or anime. Because that's just how they are and have been. I can understand I guess if these people didn't grow up with the original Akira or Ghost in the Shell or any of the classic big names in the OVA scene of the 80s and 90s. Maybe they've only watched host club and whatever other really light and fluffy anime. And to them that's anime. I got so sick and tired of this fixed view everybody has of anime, Games, books Etc. If it makes people uncomfortable or hurt somebody's feelings then it shouldn't exist or whatever. Not to mention it's always the same feminist way of thinking.
Goblin Slayer was nothing but guys getting raped and murdered and torn apart nobody would have a problem. But the fact that we live in this feminized society that worships cat ladies and over-sensitive blue-haired whack jobs we have to hear every complaint about women possibly being inconvenienced even the fictional ones.
Japanese video games and media have always had a weird perhaps to the West inappropriate sexuality to them. And an over-the-top violence that most properties don't really achieve. But that's just one part of the medium. Nobody can leave it alone and just go do something else.
Personally I can't stand sports games or romantic comedies but I don't spend my time complaining about those things that I don't like. I just let the people who enjoy them enjoy them and then I move on with my life looking for the things I do. Unfortunately things I enjoy are constantly being attacked.
8372ba No.15587135
>>15587115
I've never had a game give me motion sickness. I've even tried a few VR games and I've never had this problem. I've meet some people who say they can't play sonic games because it's too fast and gives them motion sickness.
>>15587123
I'm not joking, This is a common opinion help by my normalfag acquaintances.
0c194a No.15587141
>>15587135
Beat them and rape them for that.
fed136 No.15587158
>>15587105
>>I can't play it because it gives me motion sickness.
>>I don't like beat'em ups that I can't just button mash through.
These are completely valid though. For intance watching gameplay of uncharted gives me motion sickness.
8372ba No.15587160
>>15587141
>Beat and rape people for getting motion sickness.
I like the way you think anon.
fed136 No.15587164
>>15587160
>>15587141
>not strapping them to a chair and spinning them
0c194a No.15587171
>>15587164
That's just a different form of rape.
8372ba No.15587172
>>15587158
>I don't like beat'em ups that I can't just button mash through.
>valid criticism in any form whatsoever.
fed136 No.15587186
>>15587172
>tfw realized i misread
Forgive me. Also Popstep is for anal.
17d000 No.15587222
>>15587127
If they lose their shit with just Goblin Slayer….how would you think they react to say, Mad Bull 34 or Violence Jack? You think their head would explode?
2c8596 No.15587351
>>15586975
On one hand I don't want Tumblr faggot devs getting a red cent from me ever. Even if their game keeps the SJW wank to a minimum I still don't want them having my money.
On the other hand some people can not get politics out of their head and have to over analyse everything as some sort of Jewish subliminal brain washing.
I just look at YouTube vids of games and decide for myself.
9734a1 No.15587362
>>15587222
Probably, if you notice none of the streaming services have any of that. Crunchyroll doesn't have old anime neither does Amazon or Hulu or even Netflix as far as I know. I guess the streaming services have raised a generation of weak stomach animation fans. Although now that I remember Netflix does have two anime titles that it bankrolled that are fairly violent like Devilman crybaby I think and gambler's Paradise? Although I haven't watched either of those. Because I don't have Netflix.
9d9855 No.15587373
>>15587362
>Crunchyroll doesn't have old anime neither does Amazon or Hulu or even Netflix as far as I know.
They took off the original Captain Harlock? Haven't used Crunchyroll in a few years, and, even then, it was for a couple months.
2c8596 No.15587376
Annoying normalfag argument: "It's too long."
Annoying /v/ arguments: "Saying the game is fun or you enjoyed it isn't an argument."
65a76f No.15587379
>>15587376
>"It's too long."
Legit criticism for certain genres. Intense games designed to be beaten in a single sitting should really not push past the 1-hour range.
ac741b No.15587401
>>15586339
Reminds me of Prey (2017)
2c8596 No.15587408
>>15587379
They're usually talking about RPGs and open world games though. What kind of faggot wants those to be short?
0ab2ae No.15587409
>>15586791
So do you use cheat codes in games that offer them or do you restrain yourself then?
042836 No.15587435
>>15587408
Depends, because unskippable cutscenes and lengthy, mandatory, railroaded dialog sections that can often last for 30+ minutes before the player is able to interact with the game in a meaningful way again kill replayability.
65a76f No.15587457
More content isn't really a good compliment for a game. What matters is meaningful and deep content.
66590d No.15587486
>it's got no waifus/lolis therefore shit
dumbass mouthbreathers
b69bbd No.15587547
>>15587376
>It's too long
That can be absolutely true, especially for JRPGs. Those games have no fucking right to be 120+ hours long when the story and gameplay is the same shit the whole way through.
>Saying the game is fun or you enjoyed it isn't an argument
Depends on the game, sometimes enjoying certain games is just old-fashioned bad taste.
2d75aa No.15587550
>most criticisms of fallout 3 can be said of the stalker games
2d75aa No.15587553
>>15587486
alternatively
>it's got waifus/lolis therefore not shit
fed136 No.15587557
>>15587550
Please, I would like to hear them.
9d9855 No.15587566
>>15587486
>>15587553
What about:
>it's got waifus/lolis therefore shit
7ed569 No.15587599
>>15587376
>Annoying /v/ arguments: "Saying the game is fun or you enjoyed it isn't an argument."
You're implying it's a good game just because you liked it. Worse case scenario you just have shit taste. At least elaborate if you're recommending or defending a game.
0d872b No.15587749
>>15587486
>>15587553
Those are joke arguments though.
>>15587566
I hope this one is as well.
84bc4f No.15587956
>>15587376
>"Saying the game is fun or you enjoyed it isn't an argument."
But, assuming this is an argument over the quality of the game, it isn't? "I personally liked this game" is a statement based purely on a subjective viewpoint that takes into account your personal experiences, tastes, and the context in which you played the game, without any elaboration as to why you found it enjoyable or why others would find it enjoyable like you did. Sonic '06 can be "fun" from certain viewpoints, but that doesn't make it a quality game.
9734a1 No.15587987
>>15587408
Games journalist mostly, they always complain about how long games are period drives me batty since their entire job is just to play games. I wouldn't care if I was playing through a long-ass game as long as the gameplay was decent and I was being paid for it by the hour. Then again I guess they still have the magazine thought process of deadlines and all that jazz so maybe that's why long games stress them out so much I don't know
ecc3a9 No.15588005
>>15587987
Those hacks don't even play the game to completion, they are lazy faggots who play at most 2 hours of a game then write bullshit about it.
31dad1 No.15588017
>You can't criticize a game if you haven't played it!
>If you knew you weren't going to like it, why did you play the game?
Literally "shut the fuck up and praise my new favorite video game, do not dare to talk shit about it!"
9734a1 No.15588020
Aren't most game journalists located in San Francisco?
84bc4f No.15588022
>>15587987
They definitely have a time limit, but the standard length of a game shouldn't really push it.
a206ee No.15588031
"Games shouldn't have stories. If I wanted a story I'd read a book."
Nigger why can't I have both?
7c86eb No.15588035
>>15587105
>I don't like Bayonetta because I don't want to beat up angels.
Who the hell says that?
d30afe No.15588038
>>15587409
Obviously using CHEAT codes is CHEATING and not part of the game. You can't balance your game around cheat codes, because at that point cheat codes stop being cheats.
>>15587376
>Saying the game is fun or you enjoyed it isn't an argument
<How can you even think the level design is any good?
>I thought it was fun
>>15587033
>then stop fucking using it
of course I'd stop fucking using it, but that's only ignoring the elephant in the room
it doesn't need to be a major dealbreaker, but it's still there
7c86eb No.15588064
>>15587127
You are totally correct. There are 0 problems with Fist of the North Star because only guys get killed.
Also , sorry for the tangent but is Goblin Slayer any good? It just looks like any other anime from the last 5 years.
9d9855 No.15588075
>>15588031
<Because of shit like this
fed136 No.15588095
>>15588031
Don't know why but this reminded me about this year's quakecon. During the new doom they said they are turning it into a expanding universe with lore and the crowd was dead silence so much so that the installed shills didn't realize they were suppose to cheer until the presenters did the hand waving shit to court them into it. At that moment I couldn't stop thing about "story is games is like story in porn".
7c86eb No.15588108
>>15588075
Faggots make games for faggots. What's your point?
62c970 No.15588109
>Turn-based is an archaic method of gameplay from when consoles had no power to have real-time action!
>Therefore it needs to evolve into action! Just like FFXV does!
9d9855 No.15588116
>>15588095
>At that moment I couldn't stop thing about "story is games is like story in porn".
That reminds me, in both instances, the only people who can actually execute it well are the Japanese.
4bcb23 No.15588119
>>15588095
>nuDoom
>haha le ebin doomguy punches the exposition monitor because you don't care about story haha it's doom!!!
>ten minutes later there's a three minute long unskippable cutscene
62c970 No.15588137
>>15588064
It's about an autistic kid who watched his village get attacked and his older sister raped and murdered by goblins. He then grew up and put his autism towards starting to hunt them to the point where he is THE expert on goblins and awkward at literally everything else, from identifying/fighting other monsters to social interaction.
I like it, honestly. The main character is aware of how he interacts with others and how others see him (filthy and low class, only hunting goblins while they take on bigger things like demons and dragons).
He's also aware that he is to goblins what goblins are to him; a monster that comes into their homes and destroys everything with no mercy and even enjoys doing it.
d30afe No.15588151
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>15588119
I was actually baffled after playing the game that people called it a deconstruction of modern FPS stories of sorts even though it unironically locks you into rooms to dump exposition of the serious kind, multiple times across the campaign. You'd think said people were selectively remembering things after praising it.
It would have been an actual tropebreaker if you always had the option to turn around and walk away in what would normally be an unskippable cutscene, with NPCs even reacting to you fucking off instead of listening to their inane bullshit. Kind of like speedrunning Half-Life except NPCs would actually react to you bunnyhopping at the speed of light, or like that South Park episode where they just want to play on their Xbox while there's some epic plot drama going on in the background which nobody actually cares about.
9734a1 No.15588164
>>15587105
I remember game store clerk telling me about how people wanted to return Final Fantasy 7 during it's launch week because the commercials sold them a totally different game and they didn't think it was going to have so much reading in it. Pretty funny or sad depending on how you look at it
7c86eb No.15588184
>>15588137
Sounds pretty mediocre tbh.
a3832b No.15588189
>>15584409
>most annoying criticisms
Is when modern gamers complain about how old games are not as refined as what they are accustomed to. Not limited to but often examples are when they are crying about tank controls or how they don't appreciate the graphics. Things that are superficial complaints at best and just reek of entitlement. The number one offender of this type of complaint is when players say the difficulty of old games is affecting it accessibility.
a3832b No.15588191
fed136 No.15588195
eb8a67 No.15588196
>>15588184
It's pretty much mediocre.
a3832b No.15588203
>>15588195
>is affecting it is accessibility.
no
fed136 No.15588212
65a76f No.15588215
>limited lives systems are bad design and just a relic of arcade economics
>I know because I played a modern Mario game so this applies to everything
a3832b No.15588231
>>15588031
>Nigger why can't I have both?
Because time is money and the more RND they spend on "Story" (which implies overpriced voce actors and pretentious writers from San francisco) meand lest RND for actual gameplay and playtesting.
>>15588212
wrong
72fbdd No.15588239
>>15588189
I like Somecallmejhonny but his friends are a bunch of faggots like this one.
a3832b No.15588248
9ccad2 No.15588249
>>15588215
Meanwhile he implements a lives system in SMB and the end is nigh in the worst ways possible, they only exist to pad out time with life/game over screens and having you sit through shit references to better games.
65a76f No.15588251
>I heard Shiteating Youtube Attention Whore #884745 make that same criticism
>Thus, it's invalid!
7c86eb No.15588256
>>15588231
You just said it. They spend the money in (((Story))), which is an euphemistic for "I want to enter Hollywood" or "I want cache" and has nothing to do with the actual story.
c0a9c2 No.15588271
>>15588075
If emotional responses to entertainment need to be separated by medium then the argument "go watch porn instead of playing [censored/VN/lewd/3D>2D] game" is valid with any suggestive scene in videogames.
>>15588109
To add onto that "It needed to change or evolve" which is always a copout excuse to just shamelessly copy another popular games mechanic.
>>15588251
>some asshole OP makes a bait post about wondering why AAA game or shit reboot is hated around here
>asks for original complaints after everyone on the internet has given their manifesto articulating every error in the game
a3832b No.15588293
>>15588251
p1) all opinions held by X are invalid
p2) X hold's Y opinion
c1) Y is invalid
the argument is sound
>>15588256
its not that a game cant have story or story telling is inhenretly bad. Its just impractical when you consider every other component.
>>15588271
>"It needed to change or evolve"
>aka ___ game needs to get with the times
I hate that. People are just complacent. I almost miss the old days when controlls where not standardized.
042836 No.15588294
>>15588189
>when modern gamers complain about how old games are not as refined as what they are accustomed to
Depends how old we're talking. Gen 4 (or let's just say early 90s) is where vidya started to become truly refined and moved away from the kike-tier shekel grubbing arcade design of ultra high difficulty and mere minutes of actual content, so I totally get it when people say that shit made before then is (mostly) unplayable by modern standards.
>Not limited to but often examples are when they are crying about tank controls or how they don't appreciate the graphics
Tank controls are shit for controlling humans, and always have been. REmake's 'Alternate' control scheme is exactly how those games should have controlled by default, and maybe we could have had less cancerous cinematic wankery from the camera angles in the process.
>Things that are superficial complaints at best and just reek of entitlement
That line is straight out of neofag.
>The number one offender of this type of complaint is when players say the difficulty of old games is affecting it accessibility
Again, depends how old we're talking, but masking a lack of content with extremely high difficulty wasn't exactly uncommon 30 years ago.
7c86eb No.15588318
>>15588293
It's impractical when you have limited resources, not when you are a huge company with veteran devs. Good stories also don't necessarily depend of the amount of resources you spend in that department but the thought and passion its creators have for said story.
357665 No.15588354
>>15588293
>p1) all opinions held by X are invalid
Nice absolute you fucking moron.
0ab2ae No.15588410
>>15588038
>cheat codes included with the game aren't part of the game
>overpowered abilities/items/weapons are part of the game and have to be used
Retarded opinion.
357665 No.15588441
>>15588410
>a broken abilitiy/item/weapon which is put in the game due to shitty balancing is the same as an intentionally unbalanced cheat code which is just put in the game so you can fuck about once you've beaten it legitimately
Plus plenty of games have systems in place whereby any success you have using an acknowledged cheat code is marked as invalid, or do require you to beat the game before you're even able to use them.
937189 No.15588466
>>15588410
I'm not the anon who's opinion you''re calling retarded, but you are a fucking dipshit.
You completely missed the other anon's point.
He was saying that cheat codes weren't what you were meant to use as you would a piece of armor. They are cheats made to fuck around instead of playing it how it was intended. Cheats aren't meant to be used as a way to just win. Just giving a non-cheating but overpowered as all fuck item or ability makes the vanilla non-cheat game not any fun.
0ab2ae No.15588509
>>15588466
No I didn't miss the point. You are missing my point which is that something included in the game doesn't have to be used just because it was included. I used cheat codes as an analogy of something overpowered that breaks the game, is included in the game, and can optionally not be used. It really isn't that hard to understand unless you are autistic, which might explain why you and the other anon think that you HAVE to use something that was included.
0e6f0c No.15588539
>this action game is too linear!
>It's so fast! It's disorienting!
>I don't have time to get good at this game! If you like games his hard then you must have no life.
>this control scheme is unintuitive and there's too much to learn. Why didn't they just copy (popular game)'s control scheme?
Most of all
>because it's bad.
357665 No.15588570
>>15588509
Basically you're trying to justify shit game design. You know you're playing a bad game and you think playing it by pretending it's not a bad game makes it better.
Here's a counter-point: are you going to defend games journalist's demand for having skip buttons for gameplay on the same argument that "if you don't like it you can just ignore it!"?
84bc4f No.15588596
>>15588509
>>15588570
You're both arguing for different sides of the matter. >>15588509 is arguing from a purely functional viewpoint, as, from a literal standpoint, cheats are just the same as some overpowered item or mechanic. >>15588570
is arguing from the viewpoint of the principle of the design. A cheat is designed explicitly as not part of the normal game, but an extra for bad players or those who just want to fuck around, as opposed to a mechanic or item that is designed with the expectation that it will be used for normal gameplay.
0ab2ae No.15588605
>>15588570
>Basically you're trying to justify shit game design.
No, you are trying to justify writing off a hypothetical game that would be good if you had a little fucking self control.
>Here's a counter-point: are you going to defend games journalist's demand for having skip buttons for gameplay on the same argument that "if you don't like it you can just ignore it!"?
Nice strawman faggot. Here's a better one; Name a game that you think is good and I bet you there are ways to make the game harder through abstaining from certain things and that the game will be too easy for anyone that has done so. For example Mega Man (any of them) is too fucking easy to me with any of the weapons you can get from bosses, but those weapons were included so the game must be shit, right?
It is absolutely retarded to say "this thing is in the game so the entire game is shit even though I have an option not to use it." You are arguing for less options and pretending like you are some elite when what you really are is a hypocrite who wants a reason to dislike a game.
357665 No.15588684
>>15588605
>Nice strawman faggot.
So bringing that up is a strawman but bringing up cheat codes isn't? We gave the reason why cheat codes are a non-equivalent, where is your reasoning for why your argument isn't games journalist-tier?
>Name a game that you think is good and I bet you there are ways to make the game harder through abstaining from certain things and that the game will be too easy for anyone that has done so.
But if the game was already decently designed before you handicap yourself then that erases the problem in the first place.
>For example Mega Man (any of them) is too fucking easy to me with any of the weapons you can get from bosses, but those weapons were included so the game must be shit, right?
Isn't Mega Man already designed around the idea that all the levels should be beatable without the boss weapons since the entire point is you choose what order to do the levels in?
d30afe No.15588688
>>15588509
> I used cheat codes as an analogy of something overpowered that breaks the game, is included in the game, and can optionally not be used
>and can optionally not be used
this implies there is such a thing such as the game expecting you to use a fucking cheat code
>>15588605
>No, you are trying to justify writing off a hypothetical game that would be good if you had a little fucking self control.
It's a whirlpool of confusion if I have a PRESS X TO WIN button (or something that practically amounts to it) which I can use fairly regularly, only for the game to never make it explicitly clear or clearly reinforce it mechanically whether using it or not using it makes me better at the game. It clearly makes the game easier, but it exists, it can be used regularly, it tremendously helps me win the game, why shouldn't I use it? The only reason I wouldn't want to use it is if I want to make it harder on myself or if I don't want to mindlessly steamroll through everything. But if using it only worsens the game experience, why is it there in the first place? Difficulty settings exist, all you'd have to do is disable the WIN button on the higher difficulties and the problem would resolve itself. But for some reason this is a very difficult notion for developers to wrap their head around, so you have the choice to make the game easy or hard by (not) using the win button (a choice nobody knows whether its intentional or something you place on yourself) on top of difficulty settings, which… why do you need to do it twice?
If difficulty largely comes down to self-restriction and is left nebulous by the developers, then it becomes difficult to discuss difficulty in any meaningful way when everyone has a different interpretation of how the game ought to be played. Moreover, it puts a question mark of whether the present difficulty settings are any good or not. Sometimes there can be a consensus for how things should be played, but those are never unanimously accepted, and most of the time there's no definite answer to how a game should be played or how the more 'nebulous' mechanics should be treated. The developers could have resolved this confusion from the very beginning, but they didn't, because they either didn't know the answer themselves or just assumed people would play in a certain way without actually reinforcing it through mechanics. What's a blurb in the manual going to do if I don't do what it says? Stab me?
That's why there exists an alternate universe where in a thread discussing one of the boss fights in Dark Souls: Prepare To Not Die Edition, some dweeb will chime in: "I'm not sure why everyone had trouble with this boss. I just quicksaved after safely dodging each attack and after landing one in him. He went down with no sweat and I managed to do it without taking any damage too! I no damaged all the bosses in the game that way."
d30afe No.15588691
>>15588688
The most optimal way to play isn't necessarily always the most fun way to play, but it should be. Using all mechanics to their maximum potential and learning 2 play ought to feel rewarding. It'd honestly be weird and most likely wasted potential if the most counter-intuitive way of playing is the most fun way to play.
And I'd definitely blame developers for allowing players to optimize the fun out of the game. It's natural for people to play games as optimally as possible, and developers should anticipate this by aligning optimality with their vision or discouraging it entirely in favor of creativity. If there's nothing in-game to suggest why you shouldn't do Thing, why shouldn't you? If a game is more fun when played This way, why isn't the game heavily encouraging you playing That way to begin with, or making sure that you know you're playing like a scrub when you don't play it That way? It's not like Challenge Modes aren't a foreign concept either.
I don't really give a damn whether anyone plays Castlevania 1 as a horror game or a pretend-RPG, but online it should be decided for clarity's sake whether you are talking about The Hardest Fucking Boss In The Game-Death or That Guy You Just Chuck Holy Water At Until He Dies-Death. They're essentially two different interpretations of the same boss fight with no official canon, both of which aren't invalid, so any serious discussion concerning the game design here has to get selective with reality. Obviously not spamming Holy Water makes you look cooler, but then why can you spam it in the first place?
There's those kind of negative opinions about games which after some questioning you discover are because they played the game in an Unfun Way instead of this other equally as arbitrary set of house rules, where the fault lies on the developers for allowing the player to win in an Unfun Way in the first place without making it clear that's an Unfun Way To Play. They ended up playing a different game entirely and a worse one at that, but they aren't even aware a better one exists in the same sleeve because the game doesn't make sure they know. They won't even think "I can see what other people see in this game, but it's just not for me", because they already "beat" the game. Even if they are being scrubs, I can't blame them for being dissatisfied.
84bc4f No.15588740
>>15588691
Death is not a great example of your point. If you play the way the developers expected, with no foreknowledge of the game and it's secrets and exploits, there's a good chance you won't know the holy water trick. In that sense, the holy water trick is a reward for experimentation and exploration of the game's interactions, not unlike Mega Man's boss weaknesses. You're not supposed to know their weaknesses from the onset of starting the game for the first time; it's something you're supposed to figure out, yourself.
0ab2ae No.15588768
>>15588684
>So bringing that up is a strawman but bringing up cheat codes isn't?
Yes, I brought up cheat codes as an example of something included in a game that doesn't have to be used. You brought up that shit about journalists to strawman my position by taking it to the extreme.
>But if the game was already decently designed before you handicap yourself then that erases the problem in the first place.
You don't get it. Decently designed for whom? By the standards being used for something too powerful making an entire game shit then there are a lot of shit games that you like since I am sure either I or someone else can do better without half the shit that you use in them.
>Isn't Mega Man already designed around the idea that all the levels should be beatable without the boss weapons since the entire point is you choose what order to do the levels in?
How are you missing the point so badly? Does Mega Man being designed around being beaten with just the arm cannon negate it falling under "X thing is too powerful so the game is shit"? That the boss weapons are optional doesn't fucking hurt my point at all since I don't claim Mega Man is shit because it has some OP options in it.
>>15588688
>this implies there is such a thing such as the game expecting you to use a fucking cheat code
You are retarded.
>It's a whirlpool of confusion if I have a PRESS X TO WIN button (or something that practically amounts to it) which I can use fairly regularly, only for the game to never make it explicitly clear or clearly reinforce it mechanically whether using it or not using it makes me better at the game.
You are retarded. There is no explaining this to someone as retarded as yourself since I have already explained it perfectly and you have shown yourself to be too fucking retarded to understand. I can not help you. I hope that you find someone who can, but I doubt that you will.
a2bef7 No.15588783
>>15586992
Look up the one star reviews on gamefaqs. They are crap.
65a76f No.15588794
>>15588783
Not always, or at least they didn't used to be. Sometimes they can be quite thoughtful.
85012d No.15588819
>>15586716
>that futa loli trpg
Excuse me?
357665 No.15588836
>>15588768
>a cheat code, something that's intentionally OP to the point that it's literally labeled as a cheat, isn't taking someone's argument to an extreme
The main difference between a cheat code and a combat skip button is that the existence of a cheat code is meant to be hidden from the player. Again, how are you not ultimately justifying bullshit like combat skip buttons?
> Does Mega Man being designed around being beaten with just the arm cannon negate it falling under "X thing is too powerful so the game is shit"?
Because people's problem with X thing being too powerful stems from the idea that the dev clearly thought it was required in order to beat the level due to the dev being incompetent. You've basically got a problem with the entire way that Mega Man games work.
d30afe No.15588886
>>15588768
>X thing is too powerful so the game is shit
At no point did anyone ever specifically say "therefore the entire game is shit" or along those lines. But that doesn't mean said thing is not a flaw.
If you can truly completely ignore something and still have fun with the game, I think how much the game suggests you do that or has its design informed by this decision is a very important consideration. You don't need to jump a hundred consecutive times on the dojo guy's head in Super Mario RPG, but you also don't even need to know that is there. It's almost completely an ancillary, silly little thing you can do for a bonus that frankly makes the game worse because it lowers the already minimal difficulty and is a huge pain in the ass to get. The moons in odyssey are how you engage with the game at every turn, however. You're going to get a lot of chaff on your play no matter what, and "ignore it" doesn't fix how much it informed the game's design, nor does it solve that I did do everything fun in the game and still didn't see what the big deal was. When I did all the dumb shit in SMRPG, I didn't hold it against the game but a tiny, tiny bit in thinking it didn't really need to be there or could have been easier to just blow through.
"ignore it," left alone and by itself, is a useless and even very annoying dismissal or deflection - and, more often than not, used to deflect something you cannot ignore, at least on a first play (and Mario Odyssey is a 30 fucking hour game to do everything in, so I'm not giving it the replay benefit. I frankly think even the fun stuff would be joyless on a re-attempt). At the very least, acknowledge what detriment the element does have on the game and if you think it potentially adds something under a certain context or is heavily outweighed by everything else.
>Does Mega Man being designed around being beaten with just the arm cannon negate it falling under "X thing is too powerful so the game is shit"?
No, nobody said this either.
The game is largely designed around the usage of boss weapons, else they wouldn't be there or have such a large place in the games. The fact that each stage is designed to be beaten with the buster only is because of necessity to keep things fair keeping in mind the non-linear stage order. If you're already at a level that you can Buster-only every Mega Man game, then I have some doubts as to what you consider actually OP. Obviously Buster-only runs are more challenging, but people do them because the levels were designed to make that possible and because there's some fun to be had out of the additional challenge, like ghosting levels in stealth games, but not because it's how you're supposed to play the game.
It's not like boss weapons are meant to be handicaps either. If anything, the Gear system in MM11 is a handicap incarnate, amounting to free slowdown tied to a infinitely recharging energy bar. It's one of those things that only makes the game easier instead of more fun or any deeper. Of course you again can ignore it, but there's no telling whether the game is designed around the Gear system or not. Even if you want a challenge, it's unclear whether the developers intended the Gear system to be a vital tool to your moveset or another handicap for newer players, especially when you're playing on Superhero mode.
It doesn't ruin the whole game, in fact it probably ended up being more of a net benefit by making the game more accessible to scrubs while veterans ignored it, but it would have been more elegant in terms of imparting intentions if on Superhero difficulty you couldn't rely on the training wheels (gears) anymore.
0ab2ae No.15589414
>>15588836
>how are you not ultimately justifying my strawman!?
I don't know, maybe read what I said again which had nothing to do with justifying shit being too easy and had everything to do with not using something you find too easy. There is a huge difference between a game with a "combat skip button" and one with a skill/item/ability making things too easy and thus making the game "shit". Which is how this whole discussion started.
>Because people's problem with X thing being too powerful stems from the idea that the dev clearly thought it was required in order to beat the level due to the dev being incompetent.
>it's in the game so the dev thought it was REQUIRED
Absolutely fucking retarded of you to think that.
>You've basically got a problem with the entire way that Mega Man games work.
Just when I thought you couldn't strawman any harder you go and prove me fucking wrong.
>>15588886
>At no point did anyone ever specifically say "therefore the entire game is shit" or along those lines. But that doesn't mean said thing is not a flaw.
It isn't a flaw worthy of being asshurt over or to pretend like it has to be used. The main thing I take contention with is the retarded idea that just because something is in the game it has to be used. There are many games that I have played that are too easy normally, but are a hell of a lot of fun if you actually limit yourself. The argument made here >>15586791
>and the only thing keeping things in balance is me having to restrain myself so I don't break the entire fucking game you'd be basically given a fucking win button which can cheese any encounter, and resources for it regenerate or are plentiful enough even worse when the game is designed around the usage of said bullshit, the most optimal strategy would still be to mercilessly abuse the win button
Makes you seem like a chimp that can't actually not do something just because you know that it is the best. Which goes right into my analogy about fucking Mega Man. Obviously the best way to kick ass in Mega Man 2 is to use the Metal Blades, but then the game is a walk in the park. So have you played Mega Man 2, anon? Do you go beat Metal Man right off the bat and go around spamming Metal Blades because you can't help but do the most optimal thing? So I guess in your opinion MM2 would have been better if shit like the Metal Blades were never added, right? So, a removal of an option is how you think that games are fixed, all because you can't control yourself.
Now it is one thing when it comes to a single player game like Mega Man 2 which has long ago been finalized, but your kind of mentality is way worse when it comes to something currently being balanced.
It isn't wrong for someone to tell you not to use something that you find too powerful. It is wrong for you to act like anything you personally think is overpowered ruins a game as if you have no choice but to use it. You are the one advocating the removal of choice while pretending it was removed from you. Like you can't help but use the easy road.
f508e0 No.15589470
>>15586285
You mean /v/ should be even more abrasive and there should've been more rottenredditors?
It's hard to find someone who was as open about his dumb ass pretentious bullshit as he was. That was not a matter of what people question, but how much he opened himself.
I have more of a problem with the desperate faggots that summon a bunch of proxies and samefag against someone when they're cornered to create false dissent. What makes me mad is it works. /v/ is incredibly susceptible to false dissent, they see a bunch of negative replies to someone and jump in the bandwagon without knowing anything. I'll even forgive their lack of arguments , at least you can argue against "much leftism", but you can't argue against a coordinated attack of bullshit.
357665 No.15589480
>>15589414
>There is a huge difference between a game with a "combat skip button" and one with a skill/item/ability making things too easy and thus making the game "shit".
What's the difference then? We've already given reasons why broken shit is different to cheat codes. By all accounts there's more reason to consider combat skip buttons an equivalent because, unlike cheat codes, devs implement them with the intention that the player might actually use them on their first playthrough.
> all because you can't control yourself.
I probably should have said this sooner, but you also seem to be under the impression that because we're making complaints about this shit that we're unable to restrict ourselves. I certainly know in my case when I play a game which has been made too easy due to some stupid bullshit in the game, I will try playing it without making use of said bullshit. But that doesn't mean I like doing so (especially if it ends up being tedious, like for example a broken power-up that I actually have to try and avoid touching so I don't pick it up) and it certainly doesn't mean I'm going to justify that the game felt the need to include said bullshit.
f508e0 No.15589514
>>15588064
Its really not good.
Only initially shocking/interesting
Everything becomes stale and repetitive pretty quickly. Goblin Slayer himself is absolutely disappointing. He's actually really weak and relies on cheap tricks (not even intelligently designed tricks, like a Kira of fighting, but really shitty OP tricks that nobody thought of using because everyone's retarded except for him) on fights, and will get his ass handed to him only to be saved by someone else if he's not relying on some cheap trick.
The character motivations aside from his are non existant. Everything revolves around him, all ladies lust for his good look and his dick for no reason, every guy gets flustered when the topic of him is brought up, everyone treats him with utmost respect, if not downright worship. Characters are empty husks with no motivations or personality aside from sucking him off. There's also no plot (at least from all the manga that's been released so far), its just trips that happen because someone thought it'd be cool to do them. Kind of like a slice of life adventure , only the enemies are almost always goblins and you can't enjoy the character interactions because the characters are devoid of personality.
There's a lot of unexplained things in how the word works which I'm sure is left.unexplained because its actually contradictory or doesn't make sense and they'd rather not get into that.
Its sort of entertaining, the rape scenes are nice, cow girl is really hot, but not really much more to it. Read the manga to get over with it quickly.
f508e0 No.15589535
>>15588231
Agreed, but that's more of an issue with people's expectations from AAA games. Its not an issue for lower budget games, you can save a lot without the voice acting and be less restricted that way.
c23187 No.15589558
>>15587105
>people don't like things because of their personal opinions
wow
b69bbd No.15589576
>>15589470
Honestly, I think he's just baiting.
b69bbd No.15589577
>>15589558
That is the very point of this thread, mein negro.
f508e0 No.15589594
>>15589576
Is the bait that someone might interpret his post as him being a leftist himself because he attacked that argument?
I just thought he was not very good at articulating himself since I find rottenredditor to not really be very obviously related to what he was saying earlier, but I tried piecing together regardless.
0ab2ae No.15589612
>>15589480
>What's the difference then?
Considering most OP things in games are completely optional to the point of finding them I don't know, what's the difference between that and a "skip combat button?" Hmm
>I probably should have said this sooner, but you also seem to be under the impression that because we're making complaints about this shit that we're unable to restrict ourselves.
Perhaps the problem you are having is entering someone else's argument in the first place without making yourself clear, or maybe mine for not noticing where you made your argument distinct prior to this post.
> I will try playing it without making use of said bullshit. But that doesn't mean I like doing so (especially if it ends up being tedious, like for example a broken power-up that I actually have to try and avoid touching so I don't pick it up) and it certainly doesn't mean I'm going to justify that the game felt the need to include said bullshit.
See here is what I meant by you enterting into someone else's argument which was about being mad at people saying "just don't use it" since you say here you are capable of doing just that. You don't have to justify why something that you consider OP is in the game, but again that comes down to personal skill. I find a lot of games easy due to one reason or another, even so called "hard" games. Should developers not include things because they are too helpful? Where exactly is the line drawn? It seems to me like you guys are trying to say that it is drawn as where you personally think things are too easy, and others might draw the line of "too easy" to a point you might find too hard. The great thing about options is that you can choose where you want "just right" to be. Removal of things just makes it so there is less of a line to draw and makes for a duller experience overall.
993677 No.15589646
>>15585624
>It'd be like tumblr, but even worse (somehow).
speaking of invalidating everything you say
83b366 No.15590000
>>15587105
>>15587135
>I don't want to play Japanese because they're all tentacles and rape.
>I'm not joking, This is a common opinion help by my normalfag acquaintances.
Interesting. Out of curiosity, do they feel the same about Square/Square-Enix, despite their thing having long been making/publishing games with broad, mainstream, often global appeal, or do they get a free pass?
>>15588005
I remember one RPG focused site that explicitly had a policy of "game start to final boss" minimum before finalizing a review, and if no one on the staff could actually stomach doing so, they disclosed that fact. I don't trust said site anymore though, so I suppose it's a moot point.
>>15588020
Not sure, especially considering online outlets can effectively take uploads from wherever the writer is located. Would probably make it easier having on-foot coverage though, what with how many publishers (and localizers) are in commiefornia for "muh silicon valley", or at least west coast (and thus still in commie controlled domains). Could probably still find where a given site is hosted from, or where the owner operates from.
>>15588783
Speaking of one star reviews, I saw one a while back on Amazon that was outright just "it's current year, this type of game has no business existing past of [CY-30]" logic. The game in question being Rune Factory Frontier.
d30afe No.15590042
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>>15589414
>So have you played Mega Man 2, anon? Do you go beat Metal Man right off the bat and go around spamming Metal Blades because you can't help but do the most optimal thing? So I guess in your opinion MM2 would have been better if shit like the Metal Blades were never added, right?
Go read the posts you're actually quoting
(>>15586791)
<of course I'm not that much of an ass to play the most optimal way no matter what, but these restrictions should be imposed by the game mechanically or through difficulty settings instead of me having to hold back, it's more fun if you can use all gameplay system to their full extent without the knowledge that if you do X thing you can cheese everything
of course I play with some self-restriction, but I shouldn't have to
>Do you go beat Metal Man right off the bat and go around spamming Metal Blades
>So I guess in your opinion MM2 would have been better if shit like the Metal Blades were never added
Why not just nerf the Metal Blades?
What kind of shit led you to conjure up this dumb fucking strawman that anything shit or overpowered has to be outright removed? I did say crutches can be disabled on higher difficulties, but nothing's excluding rebalances either.
The problem is that other people won't even realize they're cheesing the game and end up ruining the game for themselves even if they're not explicitly aware they're going for the cheese route, like people who creditfeed arcade games or use summons for anything in Dark Souls, and for them the game is ruined because the game never makes it clear enough that they ended up optimizing the fun out of the game. They beat the game, didn't they? You can't exactly tell them "that's not how you're supposed to play the game" when the game itself doesn't even say it.
294212 No.15590049
There is literally nothing wrong with shaming outsiders until they leave
a3832b No.15590073
>>15588318
Anon Time = Money works both ways. Just because a corporation has unlimited money doesn't mean they have unlimited time. Mortality prohibits what one man can do in a lifetime and the higher the budget the more is a risk. Higher risk = playing it safe; playing it safe = doing what sells to the lowest common denominator. I am not staying story in video games in and of itself is bad. Rather it's not something that ever should be a top priority.
>>15588354
I didn't say the argument was valid you dumb fuck
4bcb23 No.15590181
>>15589719
But rottenredditor was given an actual argument. People both told him why the game was shit, and the autistic 5000 word essay about why Overwatch is shit was also posted. Then he dismissed the whole thing as "the point about the roadhog hook is wrong therefore everything here is wrong", and the rest of the arguments as "You didn't even play the game, it's just like quake". Then one anon told him that the entire game was based around ultimate win buttons, and in response he posted a webm in which he gets a triple kill without using an ultimate, but he was propped up by two teammates using ultimates. And that's just the shit I can explicitly remember before he started being butthurt and got shamed into the shadow realm.
a3832b No.15590239
>>15586975
>shoehorn tranny homosexual anti white propaganda into a video game
fuck (you) it matter's you degenerate faggot!
<the game dosen't have any story, propaganda etc but is made by a mentally ill leftist
then it doesn't matter as long as it fun.
a3832b No.15590249
>>15586583
So that just a reskin of a Cephadrome?
0ab2ae No.15590618
>>15590042
>I shouldn't have to
You don't have to. That is the benefit of having a choice. Do you want the game to be more challenging? Then you don't want to use something that makes the game too easy. Oh, wow, what a devastating choice that was. I guess you shouldn't have to choose which game you play either. There should only be one extremely hard game as too many choices is a bad thing.
a4a7e8 No.15590619
>>15589719
>Proxies and samefagging can't help you if you're making shitty arguments.
You're contradicting yourself
You said rotten was subdued with personal attacks alone and not a single argument. Same could theoretically be replicated with proxies, if we go by the tribalistic behavior logic.
>you should never be without a spoken argument.
What I mean is it's less infuriating if its just a single person saying dumb things to you, and not the whole thread because he created false dissent to make people believe there are multiple people attacking you.
>>15590181
Did he get arguments back when he started saying weird things though? Like when he got faux exiatential, or was like "y u need privacy tho", and stuff like that?
Maybe that's what he meant
a4a7e8 No.15590620
85012d No.15590640
>>15589719
>monster capturing
>lewd
This is very relevant to my interests, please do post it if you find it
ec6355 No.15590724
>>15584409
>game has pointless fanservice
>it's actually listed as a contra point in reviews nowadays
0d872b No.15590735
>>15588017
The first one is completely reasonable, the second one is not.
0d872b No.15590756
>>15588151
>It's a deliberately silly story to mock modern video game stories!
>It's just fucking Event Horizon
0d872b No.15590759
>>15588189
>how old games are not as refined as what they are accustomed to
That is true, but as much as I like older games, I have to admit that there were some nice developments that made older games kind of pale in comparison in the past.
For example
>Baldur's Gate 1 pales in comparison to slightly newer RPGs like Arcanum because it's just fucking empty
>DOOM is still an amazing game but looks a bit worse than Duke Nukem or Shadow Warrior.
0d872b No.15590760
>>15588231
Still sometimes the story is a part of the gameplay, for example in the case of RPGs, discovering the story is half of the fun well at least in some types of RPGs so I wouldn't say story is completely unnecessary.
000000 No.15590767
>waahh it doesn't have a good story/plot
>no I don't read books, I play video games that say something deep about life
The most annoying.
0d872b No.15590787
>>15590724
I have noticed two things about the word "fanservice" and the people who misuse them.
First of all, people equate "fanservice" to "BOOBS" while this is not exactly true not that there is anything wrong with boobs, Shin Getter Robo Armageddon is a fanservice anime despite not having too much erotic content, because it tries to suck the dick of the fans of the manga at every fucking instance. Fanservice is anything that is engineered specifically to appeal to the fans, that doesn't need to equal sexual fanservice but often does.
Second thing is, the people who bitch about fanservice always come in two categories, they are either prudish faggots with gigantic sticks up their asses who hate fun and have too high opinion about themselves, thinking that they have good taste but don't actually understand what makes writing good besides a very shallow understanding.
And the second is literal faggots, who act the same way, but do that because they can't enjoy sexual fanservice themselves as it is often targeted at heterosexual men.
You would be surprised how many dickheads bitching about cute and sexy stuff in anime for example are literal faggots who simply cannot understand the appeal and therefore think that it's bad. In case of video games this is even more obvious and visible because of political leanings of those people, but generally here's a tip.
If someone obsessively bitches about fanservice in something, he rarely actually has any idea about what he describes. It rarely comes from any form of legitimate criticism and more often than not, it's him being a closet faggot.
6ce169 No.15590854
>>15590073
Well, that's the price to pay for evading mediocrity. I always remmeer Deus Ex when talking about this stuff. They did something really interesting and are remebered for that.
f086a7 No.15590957
>>15586584
It makes sense when the turn-based battle is just basically waiting for a prompt to tell you that you can select an attack, since it's not like you're actually using that time to strategize or make important decisions like you would in a turn based tactics game like FFT or Tactics Ogre. Honestly, I feel like turn based games with damage multiplier and/ or damage minimizer in defense mode rythym mini games like Vagrant Story (even though this is more of an action RPG but it still has a rhythm game in between hits) , Paper Mario or Legend of the Dragoon are better since you are at least doing some thing other than just pressing the button once and being done. It keeps your fingers nimble and your mind sharp instead of it turning into a wait at the DMV line just to press the button agian.
88ef27 No.15591105
>>15584409
Didn't age well.
278f78 No.15591132
>Mario game is bad because no exploration
278f78 No.15591171
>>15590787
You know what actually annoys me? Shoehorned romance plots and sex scenes in live action movies. They're just put there to appease women who can't enjoy a plot that doesn't have a soap opera element. At least shameless fanservice is fun.
0d872b No.15591185
>>15591171
As someone who enjoys romance, I agree. On the other hand they're always badly written romances with no interesting character development and no chemistry between them. Anime has a problem of having characters with often great chemistry and rarely putting them together for some unknown reason.
04b84d No.15591223
>>15590618
Did you miss the part where I was advocating for more well-defined difficulty settings to enforce those limitations instead of the player himself? With difficulty settings you at least know what the constraints of the game are and what the game is balanced around, and how to make the game easier or harder on yourself. Alternative options are scoring systems or level rankings like in Platinum games to encourage making full use of the system instead of abusing a single option for survival (if done right).
Leaving the matter entirely up to the player presents the risk of the player unknowingly playing in the most unfun but apparently optimal way, as he then complains online about how shit the game is because the game didn't even try making it clear there were more fun ways to play the game. If someone does end up Metal Blade spamming their way through MM2 because they found it just works, how are they supposed to know that playing Buster-only might be the more challenging path and a more fun to play? I personally wouldn't cheese the game that way, but I can't speak for everyone, and I've seen enough that most people don't even cheese intentionally most of the time, and I've certainly had to deal with those kinds of people here on /v/.
You get people calling Vanquish a generic cover shooter because they played it as one, even though you can do tons of CUHRAZY shit if you git gud. And I can't really blame them for thinking of the game that way, because the game doesn't discourage you enough from playing like a little bitch while not encouraging you enough to play cooler or making you aware of the cool shit you can pull off. There is a scoring system in Vanquish, but all it does is give you a meaningless score value with nothing to measure it by, while other Platinum games attach these flashy letter-rankings and trophies as a kind of guideline to how good your score actually is.
Imagine how people would play Bulletstorm with its creative skill system if there was no scoring system in place to encourage you to try out new kills or chain as many as possible together, with higher score directly feeding into more upgrades. Ideally, there should be systems in place to encourage playing the game more skillfully, and alternatively some kind of challenge modes with the crutches removed which may make the game more interesting. At the very least, a selectable in-game mode has more legitimacy and feels more like a genuine and playtested option than being told that a game is only good when you play it with one hand shoved up your ass in order to make it good, because you can conjure up a self-imposed challenge for any game.
If a game is more fun when played a certain way, why doesn't the game push you into playing that way or give you a well-defined option to specifically play that way? You could leave all constraints up to the player, but if cheesing the game is considered as equally as valid a way of beating the game as beating it one-armed, then you'll inevitably have to deal with more people being unnecessarily left with a more negative experience of the game they unknowingly shaped for themselves, partially because the developers let them. That first impression can't change that easily.
If a game is only fun when played in a self-imposed way, then it should be acknowledged as such instead of trying to sweep all problems under the rug.
278f78 No.15591240
>>15591185
Nothing wrong with a well written romance. I'm talking the really lazy shit that's just there because it has to be. Finn and Rose in TLJ.
85012d No.15591243
>>15591195
Thank you for the source, my friend
3b74c6 No.15591250
>>15585837
>>"it's dated"
Any variant of "it's old" without a reason annoys me. It would be one thing if someone said
>the menus in SMT I are really obtuse and reflect on RPG design not having been fully hammered out at the time
Because that's completely fair when looking at older titles, but can also be something that won't push the player from the game if they have the minimum ability to adjust or learn the system regardless.
It's another to just blanket age as a problem with games when older games still hold up.
ff66bd No.15591254
>>15588151
> deconstruction of modern FPS stories
Could someone construct an FPS that isn't dogshit, or do jews and transsexuals parasitizing every industry can only "deconstruct"?
e207b1 No.15591274
>>15585839
>Why did effort and passion suddenly become "uncool"?
Because making long-ass rants on the internet is just mental masturbation.
>>15585837
>Literally tells me nothing about the game except it's more than a week old.
It tells you: the graphics are shit, the gameplay is primitive, the user interface is clunky and the game is really inconvinient. Like those old adventure games where you had to click on an action button or type out the action and then click on an item. Plus puzzles being illogical, random and not very well thought out.
278f78 No.15591287
>>15591274
Just say it's bad. Games don't age. Expectations of quality change.
494836 No.15591302
>>15590640
>>15591243
Fuuju Hime Cursed Futana - Ring (flamberges) / 封呪姫
http://www.dlsite.com/maniax/work/=/product_id/RJ183994.html
The lewd part is pretty shit in my opinion, that's why I didn't have it on hand when I brought it up (since I've deleted it), but it's an alright geimu.
While I'm pretty sure everyone already knows about tobihime, there has been an english full translation modification release on >>>/hgg/ some time ago.
And there are also eratohoK, eramaou and Eramegaten on the era game translation drama general.
5d88f2 No.15591310
Hotpocket read the appeal or ban only this proxy so the previous post with vidya stays intact.
>>15590181
>People both told him why the game was shit, and the autistic 5000 word essay about why Overwatch is shit was also posted.
Except his argument wasn't revolving around overwatch being good or not? And if your argument is dishonest and doesn't touch the topic, why wouldn't you dismiss it?
If no one is going to cede ground here willingly then we'd need to go into detail to validate or disproof any of the claims made here with evidence though and while I would argue out of principle, I really don't want to be devils advocate for overwatch (see that as whatever you want, calling it a bluff will likely just force my hand). Do you have the link or the screencaps?
>>15590619
>Same could theoretically be replicated with proxies, if we go by the tribalistic behavior logic.
Sure, that's why war against proxies doesn't matter in principle.
Regardless if it's idiocy or tribalistic behavior it should be dealt with on it's own merits.
Or maybe I've just misunderstood what you are trying to say here.
>he created false dissent
Did he?
>made up that there are multiple people attacking you.
Did he?
>was like "y u need privacy tho"
Assuming it was a different guy I can see how that argument can be made and I believe that any argument can be made if it is within realm of reason. Simple example, people are entering game nights with their real steam accounts and they likely are not using different names across different websites, so would that be a hypocrisy to tolerate that (since the same people could be arguing for perfect anonimity /V/ is one person, and if they are not, they are still not attacked even though there are plenty of reasons to do so)?
Otherwise, if it was the same person, it's still a valid argument, but extremely mistimed and without a right to be directly addressed due to previous topics being willingly dodged via proxies.
61c5b1 No.15591357
>>15589612
Even the original post that started this debate stated:
>of course I'm not that much of an ass to play the most optimal way no matter what, but these restrictions should be imposed by the game mechanically or through difficulty settings instead of me having to hold back
So it shouldn't be a surprise to you when we suddenly saying "of course we can retrain ourselves, that doesn't mean we fucking like it".
I will hand it to you that at least you're acknowledging that you are arguing with more than one person here though, instead of crying "samefag" like some dipshits would.
8fd9a0 No.15591541
The most annoying criticism that any game has ever received was some game journalist shitting on the game because of the "inappropriately named sword the game has: Bastard Sword". It's annoying because the sheer stupidity of it hurt my brain.
177aec No.15591552
>>15590787
>You would be surprised how many dickheads bitching about cute and sexy stuff in anime for example are literal faggots who simply cannot understand the appeal and therefore think that it's bad. In case of video games this is even more obvious and visible because of political leanings of those people, but generally here's a tip.
>If someone obsessively bitches about fanservice in something, he rarely actually has any idea about what he describes. It rarely comes from any form of legitimate criticism and more often than not, it's him being a closet faggot.
Got me angry enough to post. Niggers like you are a freaking cancer and I fugging hate it. I've heard this same retarded phrase or variations of it so many times that I am sick of it because all you niggers do is throw around that same excuse whenever someone calls you out on your BS on why it's terrible or a problem. Also before you start complaining, I'm using "fanservice by it's common example e.g "Cute girls doing cute things"
>Classic game/show/anime gets a modern reboot
>They make the main cast all girls now and follow every "cute girls doing cute things" trope they can
>It either bombs hard and permanently kills the franchise with the memories only being about that failed squeals or limps along like a zombie with the only memories being of the zombie
>Oh anon you are just a prude
>What are you anon gay?
Just because you shove tiddies into something that doesn't automatically make it any good or saves it from being garbage. It's gotten to the point where anytime I hear some says that it's about "cute girls doing cute things" I just write it off because I know what it will entail, and that being garbage. And before someone takes it the wrong way I'm not saying that all things that have it are awful but having it as the only thing going for it with no fun game play and cookie cutter characters and story so it either has to latch onto an existing franchise like some sort of cordyceps virus or pray it's more than just a flavor of the month. Now onto the proper use of fan service and it's over use e.g being in Gundam the universal century. Just let it die already holy hell and gone long pass fan service and it's just them trying to milk money over and over and over again by trying appeal to the UC fans.
4bcb23 No.15591582
>>15591310
>Except his argument wasn't revolving around overwatch being good or not?
It was.
"What's the big deal about anonymity?" came later.
4bcb23 No.15591616
>>15591310
To expand on that, Rottenredditor, beyond defending Overwatch, basically said "What's the big deal with anonymity?", "I don't play Rust anymore" even though he did and "Politics don't matter", and then spent 20 posts trying to explain away his bad taste in games and his reddit account. What argument was supposed to be had there?
if I didn't know better, I'd just assume you were him
c522a6 No.15591629
Since I have successfully appealed I'm returning to my original proxy since it's saved in the settings and wouldn't switch the next day.
>>15591582
>It was.
I remember it was a particular topic about something in overwatch, and not a debate about overwatch being good or not.
>>15591616
>Rottenredditor basically said
X to doubt.
It was a different ID and a different style of writing if I remember it correctly.
>What argument was supposed to be had there?
I've made a simple example of one.
6abbc7 No.15591632
>>15591552
>using fanservice by it's common example e.g "Cute girls doing cute things"
But the "common example" of fanservice refers to pantyshots, cleavage, and the like. CGDCT is an entirely different things
>>They make the main cast all girls now and follow every "cute girls doing cute things" trope they can
The only real example i can think of this is Medabots. Other examples, like Macross, end up sucking for very different and varied reasons.
>Now onto the proper use of fan service and it's over use e.g being in Gundam the universal century
I understand where you're going, but Gundam is a bad example. It's a franchise constantly trying new shit, even if it results in getting three Unicorns for every Thunderbolt
61c5b1 No.15591662
>>15591552
Just sounds like got a problem with the other retarded extreme, which is fine. The actual quality of a game shouldn't be disregarded due to fanservice, whether you think that fanservice magically makes it good or bad.
If a game is shit and trying to use fanservice to cover its shittiness up it should definitely be called out on that. But at the same time if the game is good, or even merely decent and its obvious that fanservice is part of the game's appeal you're going to come across as a faggot if its obvious you're letting a distaste towards that aspect impact your judgement.
278f78 No.15591683
>>15591552
>Classic game/show/anime gets a modern reboot
>They make the main cast all girls now and follow every "cute girls doing cute things" trope they can
When is that ever a thing, except in funny jokey side projects like SNK Heroines, or that Gradius girl game?
0ab2ae No.15591692
>>15591223
Sounds to like to me that you want a bunch of hard coded difficulty settings instead of letting the player shape their own difficulty. I just do not agree. I can enjoy a game that offers harder settings and I can enjoy an otherwise easy game that I myself make harder. I don't have to be angry that some OP item/ability/character is available for others to use if they wish.
a4a7e8 No.15591730
>>15591310
>Did he?
Yes to both. Some people who were clearly not proxies, because they had made unrelated posts before, jumped in as well. It really does work.
>Regardless if it's idiocy or tribalistic behavior it should be dealt with on it's own merits.
I'm not sure what you mean here. "Dealing with it", as in fighting back with arguments, isn't possible when they're not making arguments and just flinging shit at you.
>Or maybe I've just misunderstood what you are trying to say here.
I don't know, did you? Please explain your interpretation if it's different from mine.
>so would that be a hypocrisy to tolerate that
It would be hypocrisy if the argument was "we should tolerate no one
doing dumb things to hurt themselves", yes. That's not the argument he was making, through.
He was arguing against the idea of expectation of privacy, in general, for everyone. It's like this: I'm OK with you willingly throwing your privacy away if you want to do that, if you're consciously doing that, and if you have the option not to do it. However, I'm very much against the idea of that option of being able to have privacy not existing. He was arguing that expecting privacy was useless or something like that using dumb kiddy faux existentialism, against even the idea of wanting privacy.
177aec No.15591751
>>15591632
Fair enough.
>>15591662
> But at the same time if the game is good, or even merely decent and its obvious that fanservice is part of the game's appeal you're going to come across as a faggot if its obvious you're letting a distaste towards that aspect impact your judgement.
I'm going to use Serran Kagura as an example, I don't really care for the series but I don't hate and it doesn't bother me. I also can enjoy games like Bayonetta, to me it has to be blended together well if you want me to enjoy it, It has to have a good art style, Characters story and game play for me to really enjoy it and if it's just trying to lead me around with my second head I am going to hate the game like when I listen'd to recommendations and played MGQ and had a horrible time because almost everything about it was so awful. But I digress I am starting to rant again and you anons have been real good sports and actually gave me fair responses which is really rare. Take this as a sign of my appreciation.
4502dd No.15591763
>it has no third-person mode, so it sucks
I'll never understand the inability of some people to play first-person games. The response to Cyberpunk'77 was filled with them. I have IRL friends who unironically say this.
d30afe No.15591808
>>15591692
>Sounds to like to me that you want a bunch of hard coded difficulty settings instead of letting the player shape their own difficulty. I just do not agree
You can already shape your own difficulty by taking the game for a harder spin and making it your bitch while playing by its rules. A lot of games allow you to take the easy route with easy-to-use but weak weapons or go full-on aggressive with harder-to-use but more powerful weapons. Like how homing weapons can hit everything but are often weak in strength to balance it out.
>I don't have to be angry that some OP item/ability/character is available for others to use if they wish
I don't care how others play the game either, but it becomes a problem when they're trying to talk to you about the same game where they ended up playing a different game after cheesing it to death, and then judging the entire game based on that experience. I could tell someone who savescums every 5 seconds in Doom and calls it too easy to just not abuse quicksaving, or that arcade games are not designed around creditfeeding and that they should be played on one continue even though the game keeps handing out free continues, or that the difficulty of SotN shouldn't be measured using the Shield Rod as the player's main weapon, or that FEAR is more fun without slo-mo. I could tell them they're playing the game wrong, but if the game itself doesn't make this 'correct' playstyle clear enough or nudge the player towards it, I can't blame them for thinking that way.
I can only blame the developers for failing to properly impart their intentions and leaving some aspects of the game balance unnecessarily vague. At least if there's an obvious mechanic in place to discourage degenerate strategies, and people still complain about being able to cheese things, then you'd be justified in calling them blind.
c522a6 No.15591853
>>15591730
>Yes to both.
I need evidence or arguments that it was him under a proxy.
>fighting back with arguments, isn't possible when they're not making arguments and just flinging shit at you.
Then you don't fling shit back in response. If it's objectively a shit flinging contest - report & ignore, otherwise you should make an argument - not to change the opinion of a person you are arguing with, but to show to others via example how the other person is way more primitive in his opinions and arguments than you.
If you allow shit flinging contest to happen, then you are also giving a leeway for other people to label someone a shitflinger when it's not appropriate, which more likely would also ruin the entire conversation. i.e. "You are a leftie/rottenredditor in disguise, your arguments are invalid and you are now a subject to public shame".
>I don't know, did you? Please explain your interpretation if it's different from mine.
Well, looks like I didn't misunderstand it? And since I didn't have a clue what the other meaning could be, just the possibility of it - I don't know what could be different in your interpretation from mine.
>That's not the argument he was making, through…
1. The entire argument you have constructed only works if that was the same person, which currently is only an assertion.
2. The tone of an argument you are constructing is all wrong here since the argument you are talking about was made in response to a character attack, i.e. you are creating nuances that didn't exist in the original.
3. The original argument did actually argue for a willing choice to abandon some form of character shaming since it wouldn't actually affect the person. Which is debatable to an extent, and is also faulty to an extent.
Also, I'm not stating that your points out of context are wrong (resorting to existentialism, privacy, etc, all that stuff), i.e. they do have a truth behind them. Nor am I stating that the other guy that may or may not have been the rr in disguise had a completely sound argument and wasn't a retard. What I am arguing for is that it was more complicated than it is considered at face value, it is harmful and creates room for the absolutely abhorrent methods of arguing, simple example is as recent as it can be >>15591616
>if I didn't know better, I'd just assume you were him
Again, I'm not stating that 4bcb is worse than he is for going there, my point is that the entire situation with rr opens the road for every retarded faggot to lead every conversation in that direction.
And it's only one of the 4 examples I have originally presented.
e14dd1 No.15591869
>>15587105
>It's too hard
What's wrong with that? I have more respect for someone that admits a game was too hard for them over just saying the game is shit like most people would.
a4a7e8 No.15591895
>>15591853
>I need evidence or arguments that it was him under a proxy.
The thread is probably in the archive. A september thread, maybe, about the new Nvidia RTX. It was evidenced by a lot of posts being very obvious samefags, but with different IDs, but most prominently with him making a new post with a new (1) ID, referring to a previous post he made. He didn't make any previous post under that ID, it was a (1) ID, so he basically outed himself that he was using proxies and simply forgot to use the same proxy he was using to make that previous post.
The evidence is pretty solid I'd say, but I can't remember what thread it was, so sorry about that.
>If it's objectively a shit flinging contest - report & ignore
Kinda difficult doing that against multiple different IPs. You gotta understand that reports only result in bans when several IPs report a single post.
That, and the fact that others that weren't in his group of proxies jumped in the shit flinging as well due to the tribalistic behavior we're talking about. That screws you. In the end he shut up after I pointed out he was referring to a previous post he made under a different ID, proving he was obviously using proxies. So case solved I guess for that particular occasion, but it means that a single person not fucking up can effectively manipulate the entire thread.
>1. The entire argument you have constructed only works if that was the same person, which currently is only an assertion.
Are you confusing rotten with the proxy poster? Refer to this post >>15589470
I was talking about rotten on the first paragraph, and the proxy poster on the 2nd. Two different cases. I think the rest of your post is based on this confusion. Correct me if I'm wrong.
2d322c No.15591909
>>15591853
If you use a proxy make sure it isn't a popular choice, then you'll stop being banned proxyfag. Nothing of value was lost with your first post anyways, since all that means is that you don't care about political motivation of the developer even when it's clear that's why they do the things they do.
0d872b No.15591999
>>15591552
>Classic game/show/anime gets a modern reboot
>They make the main cast all girls now and follow every "cute girls doing cute things" trope they can
What the fuck are you talking about? Just in recent years we had stuff like the LOGH remake, Devilman fucking Crybaby, a Kaiji spin-off, Parasyte which was also an older manga we're getting a new JoJo, a new Code Geass, and probably a shit ton of other shows I'm forgeting. There are a ton of modern adaptations and reboots that contradict your point. Give some actual examples so that we can look at them by case on case basis.
>Just because you shove tiddies into something that doesn't automatically make it any good or saves it from being garbage.
Where the fuck did I even say that you fucking nigger? A trashy fanservice show or a trashy fanservice game will always be bad no matter how much fanservice there is. If there is not a good core concept to put it on, then the show/game is shit. That doesn't change the fact that I've met people who will shit on FUCKING CUTIE HONEY, for being too sexualized. There are many people autistically screeching against fanservice without any good reason, praising older shows as an example of how anime should be done, not even looking at the fact that they didn't even differ that much in terms of fanservice. We had the already mentioned Cutie Honey, fucking Outlaw Star, Urusei Yatsura, Gunbuster, Betterman kind of and many, many others. That goes for games as well.
c522a6 No.15592011
>>15591895
>The evidence is pretty solid I'd say, but I can't remember what thread it was, so sorry about that.
I'd review it myself if I could remember the exact name, as far as I remember it wasn't that solid. But we are running in circles here, so let's assume both assertions are equally valid. Within the context I have reviewed both of the cases (when it's a different person, and when it's a samefag), however it may be a different topic entirely which would require an additional setup from your side.
Also, different people can continue the discussion chain for other people and it's not out of realm of possibility that in a such heated thread some people would leave without caring for having a last word in. But again, this doesn't tip the scales in any of the directions more than it balances them.
>So case solved I guess for that particular occasion
Good job if you did that and was actually present.
>Kinda difficult doing that against multiple different IPs
>That, and the fact that others that weren't in his group of proxies jumped in the shit flinging as well due to the tribalistic behavior we're talking about. That screws you.
Shouldn't be the reason for taking an easier difficulty, you filthy casual. Again, this situation with your argumentation allows your team to go in that direction, do you approve of that or not? Would you argue against tribalism in principle or the only thing that matters for you is the side you are on?
>Are you confusing rotten with the proxy poster?
I am the proxy poster or were there 2 different people that argued against privacy having an effect in the thread?
Either way, I don't think we disagree on the main talking points, just the details and without the actual thread and some serious point or assertion that the outcome of the uncertainty of the details could change - I don't see any point arguing those any further. Unless, of course, you want to make an assertion or lead the topic in some other direction, I'm not leaving the conversation if you don't want to, I don't mind.
>>15591909
>If you use a proxy make sure it isn't a popular choice
It is.
>then you'll stop being banned proxyfag
I'm not a proxyfag, it's a necessity, not a luxury. Clue is in the post.
While there were bans from different people, sometimes from proxyhopping faggots, this ban was issued specifically to me, probably for a 'triggering' image and/or mark being a fag. I understand though.
>Nothing of value was lost with your first post anyways
The point of bringing up the post is to make clear that I'm open to discuss any of the other choices that are more vidya, than some meta situation with some fag on /V/.
>since all that means is that you don't care about political motivation of the developer even when it's clear that's why they do the things they do
I do care about that, that's why I don't give money to NISA.
What I am trying to bring up is a long forgotten "judge the thing by it's merits, not by its creator" and the agendas not actually being the root cause of the problems people are talking about (thus arguing that people that are bringing those up time and time again in actuality are just parroting the talking points to get some brownie points instead of actually having sensible arguments). For example, in the last KF2 thread when I have pressured people into presenting evidence - turns out that the person we were talking about isn't actually a leftist, but either an idiot holding conflicting views or a right winged puritan.
c522a6 No.15592054
>>15591909
>The point of bringing up the post is to make clear that I'm open to discuss
Well that, and that I'm true to my words and have returned to my previous ID.
c29ffd No.15592060
>>15591763
It's a Legitamate critisism for Cyberpunk 2077. What is the point of a game that is suposed to be a character driven RPG that advertises itself as style over practicallity when you can't see your character save for a few cutscenes.
a4a7e8 No.15592120
>>15592011
> as far as I remember it wasn't that solid
Er… you were there?
>Shouldn't be the reason for taking an easier difficulty, you filthy casual.
What?
I did what I could, replied to what somewhat made sense, and called him out when he exposed himself. He was obviously very determined if he made so many samefag posts earlier, so him just stopping out of nowhere is at least somewhat of an indicative that he got found out.
>Would you argue against tribalism in principle
Of course I would. When did I ever imply I wouldn't? It's one of the reasons I prefer /tech/. You almost never see many replies to a single post, because most times people don't want to repeat the same argument said earlier or fling shit at someone for no reason. They may be retarded but at least they're less childish.
>I am the proxy poster or were there 2 different people that argued against privacy having an effect in the thread?
Again, I think you're mixing both scenarios. Rotten was the one that argued against privacy/anonymity. The proxy poster I talked about was a different person, in another thread, talking about a different subject.
c522a6 No.15592156
>>15592120
>Er… you were there?
No, but I have read the screencaps and a bit of an archive when I had the link.
>in another thread, talking about a different subject.
Was this ever referenced at, because if that's the case I'm completely clueless about who you are talking about.
>When did I ever imply I wouldn't?
What would then be the point of arguing against my understanding of situation if not to be against my main point or for the truth which I have stated would be kinda pointless to ascertain without the actual evidence?
134159 No.15592605
>people who complain about japanese voice acting and defend dogshit english dubs
i.e Xenoblade 2 more often than I'd think possible. Inb4 welshcat fags.
>survival-horror evolved
>they always intended for this horror game to be an action game with boulder punching
>those mechanics you enjoy are just old and everything needs to be an over the shoulder shooter
Crapcom fans are literally on par with Blizzard drones.
>everything needs to be an open world game, it's superior evolution of gaming
>>15585370
This is what happens when you let leddit shitposting turn into ironic shitposting, it becomes real shitposting. "/v/ doesn't play games" was always a stupid fucking meme.
>>15587059
>games shouldn't be good
>if gameplay is bad then we should focus on nebulous shit like story
Fuck off.