/v/ - Video Games

>>15561235

b-but ernkal dane said… c-crits are bad…

H-He got Idubbz…

>>15561235

Peaceful stagnation and decline is far better than surviving as a trader hat microtransaction jew zone without a shred of artistic integrity.

>>15561212

>playin

usually swiftwater ezpz

>mainan

spy and engie most rewarding ones for myself outwitting and positioning opponents is the most enjoyable for myself and the kinda hail mary plays i make with my rocket jump engie setup is fun as hell

>mappan

>

>wearan

dad duds for engie and the fucking coat for spy I feel like im on my own crime scene all the time

>>15561235

>actually being expected to pay money to play the game without a controversial feature that is easily switched off

>>15561343

People have been complaining about random crits since 2007 you colossal newfag. If anything you're just listing the reasons why its become trendy to start defending them in a vain attempt to be contrary against the likes of Uncle Dane or Overwatch. And not everyone who thinks its shit game design is a compfag.

>>15561389

Confirmed for a F2P who started playing after 2011-06-11.

And FYI, much less people would've complained if they were actually random.

>>15561426

>i just got Stockholm syndrome

Good for you.

>>15561389

>being THIS fucking contrarian because some eceleb retards were right for once about random crits being stupid, unfun, and cheesy

The only time I will be ok with random crits is melee only, then that's your fault for being in range

>>15561426

>has the nerve to accuse anyone of revisionism when he didn't even start playing until years after release

Also no, random crits actually discourage any variety of play because the classes and loadouts that benefit the most from them are the ones that are already part of the "meta".

>>15561445

It's not so much about being in range as much it's about risk and reward. Will you risk pulling out your melee weapon to get that sweet ABSOLUTELY RANDOM, NOT DEPENDING ON THE AMOUNT OF DAMAGE YOU'VE DONE IN THE LAST 20 SECONDS' crit or will you play safe like a pussy with no honor?

This thread just confirms the fact that TF2 has been cancer for many years.

>>15561894

Kay people with shit taste go away.

>>15561894

okay, so what would you say is better than Tf2?

>>15561916

literally anything else, gaylo is better than current year TF2

>play the game for some years

>never really that good at it, but not completely shit

>by the time a match ends, I'm usually 3rd or 4th on the table

>switching multiple classes as needed, try to learn them all (except Sniper, that shit is BORING as fuck)

>get an MVP here and there

<don't play for 3 years

<come back, I'm rusty and I wasn't that good to start with, expect the worst

<top score the table 8 outta 10 games

<lose, win, still end up high up there

<I'm fucking shit at this game, I have a 20% accurancy with scout, about the same with Soldier, I don't rocket jump as engie nor use a shotgun as heavy

<I can't into the "meta" or anything more complicated than "Go to point, look at enemy, press fire, run if low health"

>spectate my team

>realize I'm not that good

>realize I'm playing with retards on my team

>realize the other team also has retards, but they have 6 while we have 8

>realize that despite our team NEEDING a teleporter and a sentry on the mid point, I will never be able to set that up for longer than 2 minutes because our team has no Soldiers, Demo's or Pyros.

>realize I won my last payload match because the other team didn't have Soldiers, Scouts or Demos.

So, two things I take from here: the average TF2 player is still a retarded cockbag with tunnel vision and no gamesense and Soldier/Demo are still the powerhouses they were several years ago. Unless you're a corner-turning Heavy and fuck their unpocketed unhealed ass right up.

At least the "competitive" assholes put up a fight and destroy me nice and properly because they do indeed play better, not because they outnumber me 4 to 1 on the controlpoint.

>Pick Engie

>drop tele near point

>drop sentry

>begin capping

>sentry lvl1 + shotgun allow me to kill 3 guys

>ubbered heavy turns a corner

>juke him with cover, he gives up, focus sentry

>pick sentry up, run for my life

>drop sentry

>heavy targets sentry leaving me to flank the medic

>sentry goes down, 3 revenge

>two shot the medic

>finish the heavy

>cap the point

>grab metal, drop lvl 1 sentry

>go back to spawn to upgrade teleporter

>wonder why I haven't seen my team in 4 minutes

>6 spawn campers on the first point cockblocked because I capped mid point

>they turn around, make mince meat outta me

>noone in my team changes classes to something that can kill the spawncampers

>endless procession of cloaked spies and snipers leaving spawn trying their luck and getting insta-gibbed

>watch has the mid-point is recaptured before I even spawn

>as soon as I spawn, the last point has x7 on it

>wonder what's the point of all this

>Join another server, get a non-retard team against retards, roll over them for 30 minutes of pure satisfaction.

>>15561929

>last issue came out nearly 2 years ago

fuck valve

>>15561929

The TF2 team is lazier than Notch. The only way you'd see any comics coming out of them regularly would be if they got the fanbase to make them for peanuts

>>15563856

Additionally

They complained about Pre Buff deadringer.

>>15566503

what the fuck is the fourth icon between TF2 and MLP. Minecraft? Because that looks alot more like Microsoftcraft. Holy shit what an awful symbol.

Does anyone else get pissed at how nobody tries to capture the point on pl_hightower? I really hate when people don't play the game the way it's meant to be played. We should form a group and go into servers just to capture the point on hightower and show those fags how it's done.

>>15566562

The game was "meant to be played" in 12v12 on public servers with no class restrictions.

>>15566547

The most embarrassing renamed item is a flare gun titled "UMAD?"

If it's any consolation, I think some of my other items are cleverly named.

>>15561382

Vintage has simulated that feel of a community server for me, but there's not enough people on constantly and like you said TF2 is dead in terms of community servers, FFN, FUG, most of the good ones have died out due to match making and pugs being stupid.

I really miss those days of getting into a server, playing for a bit, trying to join another favorite server and maybe joining it or having to Q and just keep playing till the game yanks me and plops me into the other server. I remember the Engineer update adding hauling an loved that as someone who really enjoyed the class.

Then you get people who fling shit like "try hard", typically a lot of said people are those who are shit at the game and anyone better than them or with a modicum of skill is a tryhard

>>15561820

You have my pity if you really believe this.

i havent played tf2 in years, im thinking of reinstalling it, is it worth it?

also can someone get me up to speed with the tf2v - tf2c drama? whats it about, besides devs getting spergy? which one should i install?

>>15566616

That gif is so short. It's got no payoff.

>>15568117

TF2C dies out, bunch of anons make a thread remembering the good times. several anons in said group decide to make their own TF2C, one anon has a git repo from when TF2C was public and forks it for this. TF2V is born.

TF2C devs get asspained someone forked open source code, because to them open source is only open in the sense that you're only allowed to add code, you must ask their permission to use valve's leaked code and their sonic OC weapons.

/cow/ has an entry on one of the people associated with TF2C, gay larper that turned out to be a furry. Also underage and browses this /v/

TF2V is probably the better choice if you can ignore the fact they use a goycord to keep normalfags away from 8ch and to use as bodies to play with. They mainly keep to /vg/ since /v/ here has become a utter shithole

>>15568435

>TF2V made of cuckchan and dregs

Spying on them it seems to not be the case. I think a lot of anons here also forget a lot of sourcemods and game mods they like have always been a public thing, not locked away on a single site to die. I'd also say TF2V is more in the right because they don't spend most of their time screeching about someone taking their code from a public git and forking it, like in the case of the Lambda Fortress:extended guys, who are pretty much piggy backing off most of TF2V work. I can break down what happens in the TF2V goycord in a way even you could understand

>Dev or someone talks about current build/upcoming build/what is left to be put in

>People asking for the next gamenight

>Pics or current WIP builds (that get posted to /vg/ thread)

>Normalfags asking why the game won't run/where are the players

The goycord was never meant to be super sekrit club or a way to pander to normalfags like a lot of anons put it. On one hand goycord sucks, on the other I'm happy they did this and didn't turn into kikeroach /pol/ or the gamergate threads and become another point of redditor infestation on /v/ or /vg/. Also have to remember it's not even posted on the thread on /vg/, it's not meant for us anons. It's meant as a holding cell for the redditors so when it's time to actually play the people playing have someone to actually play against. Instead of waiting for the /radcorp/ approved gamenight every 4 months or so.

In terms of whats better to install between the two dead mods, I'd still say vintage only because it has people actually playing and redditors are only allowed the position of useful goy.

>>15568239

>wanting to change some of the first unlockables added to the game because you don't like them

You people are rapefugee tier.

>>15568521

>It's a sekrit club

Sekrit club implies that you need an invite there. Anon please you're embarrassing yourself their goycord is linked on the same moddb page as the mod itself, and in their (((steam))) group

>You can't access

You can, but do you really want to use a chinese botnet anon?

>It welcomes reddit

So do the gamergate threads, don't see you kvetching about that and whats worse is the gamergate threads actively welcome the redditors to 8ch versus something that doesn't directly link here, with the devs basically hiding any instance of 8ch.

>/tv/

>doing anything ironically

Anon your post reads so passive aggressive I mistook it for Sargon of applebees

>>15568631

Except it's filled with the TF2Cucks including Alpha, who turned out to be a furry. TF2Cucks are also using it as a front so they can push their DM mode as a stand alone mod and put it on steam for money despite it working off mostly (read almsot everything) stolen valve code

>>15568648

Problem with TF2 now is that there are so many fucking weapons how do you make a map where they are viable to an extent.

>>15568655

>Sekrit club is a buzzoword

>I have no idea what the actual meaning behind it is

rapefugee confirmed

>>15568673

Why would I bother with someone who has less energy than Jeb Bush?

>>15568714

>you've been called out

3 screaming children do not make a crowd

good job derailing this thread by the way by coming in here and screaming about redditors

>Mark unironically deleted all my posts

And to think that /vg/ thinks he's against them.

>>15568665

Easy, non blast jumping classes have tools to deny mobility Which is why the sandman and natascha AND air blast were added.

>>15561235

>Daily reminder that TF2 survived a decade without compfags being at the helm

>Daily reminder that TF2 will survive another decade without them

You underestimate the millions of redditfags who control TF2 and Valve in general. There was almost no backlash or opinions on random crits. (besides a few bind jokes, and even then it was just a funny bummer mechanic that no one minded) But now that some triggered fatass e-celeb made a video about it? Oh boy, now everyone takes it as a serious problem that needs to be fixed. And the whole community is divided between comp shitters and friendly fags, with people who just want a fun match nowhere to be found.

Not to mention valve are huge pussies nowadays and the slightest jewtuber pressure will make them change whatever compkids want.

At this point i think the reason compfags want TF2 and pretty much anything multiplayer these days to be an e-sport, is because they have some kind of domination/humilliation fetish. It's like they can only enjoy videogames if they are locked into a role for 40 minutes and still get yelled at, as well as if you can make a career out of a game as a jewtuber or an esport gook. Do people not play vidya for fun anymore?

>>15568648

Map balance went to shit once they started changing things because the game wasn't originally designed around these features.

“Oh, Engie can now move buildings? Awesome! And… suddenly Dustbowl plays like shit.”

So yeah, I wouldn't do neither of the things you suggest. Maps, classes, weapons, everything must be reworked together, you can't just change one to compensate for the other and call it a day. Obviously Valve won't do it because they're a modern GaaS developer. They can't just remove shit things, they have to change them to somehow suit the game. All because removing things in a game with paid unlockables is basically scamming the customer. A shame, removing features is an important principle of software development after all. Can't really say that I want Valve to fix the game either. All I want is for them to announce the end-of-life for TF2 and release the assets to public domain or at least under a Creative Commons license.

>>15569124

Is there any real reason to play that instead of a server with an items whitelist?

Other than hiding your 2014 mercenary badge

>playan (maps)

Nothing

>mainan

nothing

>mappan

nothing

>wearan

Fuck off kike

>>15569133

Here are the reasons I've been given

>old flamethrower

>old weapon switch speeds

>old damage stats

That's about it.

I still can't believe this game used to have such a constant and clear art direction. Even the first rounds of wrapons and hats felt like they fit. Now it's just a visual clusterfuck and anybody who's not a demo/soldier gets nerfed the second they have something fun.

>>15569154

Oh yeah, I forgot they nerfed pyro into the ground for ambushing people.

>>15569133

>avoid having to download live's bloated filesize

>avoid having to download steam altogether

>avoid having to deal with bullshit like items drops and inventory management

>game is far better optimised and a lot of valve's graphical downgrades are undone

Dev's main reason is they don't want to have to deal with any updates from Valve (when they actually make one) invariably breaking any server plugin they use.

>>15569236

Granted with the lack of updates rolling out for TF2 now it';s becoming less a reason, but still the smaller file size is nicer.

>>15569218

Vintage has the old 3 second afterburn which makes him a pain

>>15569133

Because I want to hide my merc badge that's only a few days off from the silver tier badge

>>15571203

It seems to be mainly just shitty community packs now and crates

>>15571203

>tfw last major update was glued to the godawful matchmaking system with no ability to opt out

>tfw Even nearly 2 years after it came out NOTHING IN IT IS CRAFTABLE

>>15571220

>It seems to be mainly just shitty community packs now and crates

Valve can't even be assed to do that anymore. The last hat update was back in, like, march, and since then there's been ZERO hints of any kind of real update coming on the horizon. In fact, all signs point to valve giving up on the fucking thing altogether, despite the fucking community being autistic enough to carry it for them with only the bare minimum of effort on valve's part.

>>15571289

They really should just make the entire game open source somehow or appoint some community leaders with the ability/permission to directly upload updates so valve can just fuck off and fans can rightfully carry the thing

Maybe like a community update manager key

>>15571307

Goddamn no, do not give the authority to manage the game to the braindead retards that make up the "community" it's so goddamn fucked from the situation with jewtube.

>>15571324

>Goddamn no, do not give the authority to manage the game to the braindead retards that make up the "community" it's so goddamn fucked from the situation with jewtube.

This, valve is only going to help facilitate the worst parts of the community, who are part of the reason why we have shit like the new match maker to begin with.

>>15571336

>This, valve is only going to help facilitate the worst parts of the community,

*in doing so, and they are part of the reason why

>>15571324

Granted it's already like that

Talking to people in the contributer community, if you want shit to get in you have to suck a lot of e-cock to get shit in. It's why "xD so randumb" shit has gotten in over the years and why shit like the jojo shit got in because the circlejerk at the top liked it so they talked valve into putting it in.

>>15571307

Technically the vintage guys have talked about using their mod as a springboard for something called TF2 Open Source, which is as close as you'd get.

>>15571324

>>15571402

You'd rather have no updates then fan made updates?

>>15571576

Problem is the community for TF2 as it is now is fucking horrible, there are people who unironically think match making was a good thing to happen to TF2

>>15571576

Bum munch, you realize low involvement was what kept TF2 going for a decade? No updates and no Valve servers means more sourcemod

>>15568405

thx for explaining

>>15568688

Jeb! is /ourguy/ shut up fag

>>15568812

>Not to mention valve are huge pussies nowadays and the slightest jewtuber pressure will make them change whatever compkids want.

this so much, ive seen this on other games as well

>>15569218

i remember in the first few years of the game, they nerfed the back burner to not give +25hp and doubled airblast cost

god i feel old

>>15566509

>New posters will never know what Homestuck was

Is this what growing old feels like?

>>15574992

Oh boy so two dead teams instead of one.

>It swapped hands

Not really save guys are there just behind the scenes. It's fagpunchers, they can't let go of something if they can attach their name to it.

>>15577084

It's for the better if you think about it

>>15561235

This.

Except for the "community servers still exist" part.

Valve has been activly selling tf2 as a service for a long time and the active community that used to be on their own servers has almost completely vanished.

Almost all servers now run some shitty custom gamemode like vsh,x10,idle or fucking cp_orange always crit+low gravity.

Fuck community servers, everyone that isn't some shitty gamemode is filled with bots or is ran by some tranny nofun allowed furfag.

>>15569124

tf2v sucks in more or less the same way tf2c did.

The orignal devs behind tf2v have decided to cave into weaponfags and all the servers are constantly playing shitty meme maps that aren't fun.

Tf2v still has most of the bloat that tf2c had such as the fucking lolsorandomizer mode and the fucking ezbhop.

>>15561235

>Daily reminder that random crits are fair and balanced

Only for melee weapons.

>>15577218

>Cave to weapon fags

Except that it was the goal for them to do what they're doing.

>Mememaps

Granted I hate Highertower, but there are some good custom maps on memeshit like Aqua and Product

>Randomizer and Bhop is bad

>Bloat

by less than maybe 20kb and that's being generous.

bampu

>>15562093

>>15561929

>>15561929

>>15566503

The power of open floor planning and no integrity to completing projects, not that dedicated managers would help. It seems like the only work being done at Valve is the funding towards Debian forks to leave microsoft behind.

>>15585448

Randomizer is fine but the automated bhop Vintage uses kills a lot of the enjoyment for me personally, people focus more on hopping than playing the game regularly