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>>15548462

>So was F.E.A.R the best ai ever got?

F.E.A.R looks good because it was a set piece battle one after another. They hand-crafted to utilises the surroundings which are conveniently placed yet not so blatant like a good cinematography. A good cooperation from level design and AI programmers with the oversight of whole game development director.

Game devs these days plays office politics and results are ME:A and the like.

>>15548462

FEAR doesn't actually have smart AI, that's a misconception. Instead, it has highly scripted and overly verbose AI that provide the player with the illusion that the AI is smart, which is really all we can ask for.

>>15548489

>>15548487

These. The A.I. is run of the mill it's just that the devs knew how to make a good video game with good level design, for the most part, and knew how to program the A.I. to appear that they are really smart.

>not so subtle jewtube weeb literal e-celeb cancer thread

Kill yourself.

>>15548493

>Kizuna AI made video to teach kids about nobel prizes and to aspire to achieve things

>japanese feminists complained it was sexist

>So she does it again wearing a lab coat with a smug comment about complaints not getting nobel peace prizes.

She cannot be stopped.

>>15548511

>flag cuck

NPC's belong back on 4chan mob kun.

>>15548462

>FEAR

A corridor shooter where AI shines for upwards of 3 seconds before you freeze it with bullet time.

Don't be a millennial cuck, play Half-Life like the father you never knew.

>>15548539

You're not actually reading the important bits and getting hung up on whether something is "pozzed" or not.

Shadowrun (2007) had really good AI

>Fear

>Smart Ai.

>Can easily trigger it into walking into circles and throwing infinite grenades.

I don't follow when people say it's the best Ai.

>>15548545

I remember the ninja chicks from half-life being very tricky and impressive with the AI, but it's been so long since I played it that I'm not sure how well they would hold up today since I don't remember the specifics of their behavior.

>>15548489

>highly scripted

That's what AI is, you ding dong. If you do X, the AI responds to it.

The problem with making AI that responds to player input in detail is that it becomes infallible and frustrates players, so developers with shit publishers are told to dumb down the game so retards buy it and the dozen sequels to follow.

FEAR had more detail put into AI responses before release but it was toned down for a more cinematic appeal, so it didn't distract you from everything else they were trying to show off.

>>15548556

It's not hard to be the best when every other game releasing at the time is shit and has enemies charge you or hide behind chest-high barriers.

>>15548562

Sure, but it's not actually smart, which was what the OP was praising it as. Still good AI that feels great to play against though.

>>15548521

You could have said that on a much less gayer way.

>>15548539

most nobel prizes are pozzed because the commitee handing them out is formed by hardline leftists. Doesn't change the fact that feminists got smugged on by an animu girl

Is FEAR truly the "best" AI we've got? I mean it feels like standard flanking AI except it yells out loud what it's doing. It's cool that it reacts to your flashlight.

>So was F.E.A.R the best ai ever got?

No. In fact, FEAR's AI was about as capable as any other game's AI at the time. What made it LOOK better and smarter was the maps and setpieces it was put in. Aside from basic idle/alert/investigate parameters, it could also use and alter the map it was in to create different paths to reach the player with scripted exploding doorways and walls.

It wasn't really that smart on its own. If you pay attention to it in areas where they don't have many options to reach you, such as a catwalk or a corridor, they'll just beeline to your position. What made FEAR's AI really shine was that they were given options on how to beeline to you, which you are not aware of, rather than creating a plan to kill you on the fly.

>>15548646

What makes an AI good is pretty damn subjective really. Having said that I'm inclined to think you're likely to find more sophisticated AI in strategy titles. People often go on about how impressive AI for games like Chess or Go can be, but even AI that can competently play an RTS has got to be somewhat impressive.

>>15548673

I can't think of any RTS AI that don't cheat, either through additional resources or just infinite multitasking micromanagement.

>>15548655

>FEAR's AI was about as capable as any other game's AI at the time.

Other games had all the planning logic embedded in the Finite State Machine and A* itself, FEAR keeps the planning logic entirely seperate from the FSM into it's own STRIPs like configuration and all the FSM does is procedurally generate 3 states "goto", "animate", and "use smart object". This allows FEAR's AI to completely generate and change AI positions relative to your position in real time.

Throw in some sound and you got gold.

>>15548659

Far Cry 2's AI, as cheaty as it is, also has some nice logic that is yet to be documented. They can:

>Seek cover immediately when fired upon by the player if he's far away and hidden, and will not come out until reinforcements pass by

>Carry a wounded ally AI to cover and heal them back up to fighting condition

>Kneel down, draw their sidearm and keep shooting at you if they get wounded on the stomach

>Rest on their elbow, draw their sidearm and keep shooting at you if they get incapacitated and drop on the ground

>Prefer to straight up run you over instead of just stopping their cars to shoot at you if they spot you on roads

>Coordinate to search for the player when he kills one of them while out of sight (I had a few moments where I blasted one of them with the silenced shotgun from the bushes and heard the other two discuss tactics like "You go this way, I'll go that way" and promptly do so, circling around the general area they heard the shot coming from)

>Physically push you away if you walk up too close to them in a neutral zone

>Straight up shoot you if you keep doing it

Among other things.

I always thought halos AI was alright.

>>15548690

I wish the Warcraft III and Starcraft AI weren't so mean, keeps me from enjoying the game as a more casual player

I can play the Ages games on hard random map and reliably win but I get slaughtered no matter what against the Blizzard AIs

>>15548737

>rubberband ai in vehicles that makes mario kart seem realistic by comparison

>telepathically tell every other ai in the zone where you are the moment you're spotted

It's pretty shit, and FC3 in general is the better game with better ai, gunplay, and level design.

>>15548755

>the Ages games

Now there's a series with pretty fair RTS AI, at least 1 and 2, I've never played 3.

>>15548755

I think that more has to do with how different Starcraft/Warcraft are as games compared to AoE than the AIs

>>15548760

FC3 was forgettable and bland, and enemies were so dumb you could be walking right beside them and they wouldn't see you.

>>15548593

>its consoles fault PC devs are lazy kikes

go back to leddit.

>>15548772

I'll take MGS-tier enemies over omniscient kevlar niggers that respawn the moment you cross a ~50m line from outposts that have vehicles that will instantly magically right themselves even if you run them off the road and flip them, only to accelerate 2-3x faster than you can so they can start ramming you again. Or guns that go from brand new to rusted hunks of shit that KB in less than 10 mags, or zero meaningful interactions with wildlife, or a dirt-tier story that clubs you over the head for not being a nigger and forces you to save niggers and kill yourself or, you guessed it, save niggers and kill yourself.

It's a shit game, and FC3 is better.

>>15548766

I think so too, partially, but even setting the AIs to easy makes them steamroll me. I can beat the campaigns but random map is another question.

>>15548799

Their existence itself doesn't make them meaningful or influential.

>>15548799

You should also take the numbers into account

>>15548792

As opposed to blind niggers in an open world that is left empty for over an hour if you kill everyone in the area and have nothing to do other than climbing stupid fucking telephone towers over and over, then mash in a quicktime event because you got bitten by a tiger as if it were dangerous at all with the 300+ medkits you have on you at all times in a bag crafted from hour-long chores of shooting animals from a mile away and watch stupid skinning animations over and over just to loot a fucking piece of hide, or the guns that still look fresh out of the gun store after 10 mags in a muddy jungle environment, or a landfill-tier story that clubs you over your head for not being a Caribbean nigger and forces you to either fuck some nigger queen and then get stabbed in the throat or, you guessed it, kill your friends and stay with the niggers.

At least in FC2 you have actual reasons to kill yourself at the end because you're a mercenary who's failed his job and is no longer going to be hired by anyone, the antagonist is actually justified, you have malaria, you are being chased by a nigger horde, and even if you chose to live you'd still be stuck in Africa with a bunch of niggers because the airfield that could take you away is destroyed. Might as well end it.

FC3 is trash. You could've said Blood Dragon but you had to have shit taste.

>>15548836

>FC2

Kek. Utter niggertrash. Play Far Cry 1.

>>15548462

>smart AI

Pic unrelated

>>15548852

>Far Cry 1

You mean that one game where every enemy can instantly find you, even through obstacles) the moment you fire a shot in their vicinity and lob an RPG from a boat straight into your mouth with laser precision?

>>15548799

The difference is that they aren't supported nor encouraged by the government.

i think sword art online hollow fragment is really neat with its AI coaching system. You coach your allies on proper combat behavior and with experience they learn how to work with your unique playstyle and coordinate attacks as a team. You have to actually properly use the coaching system though or the AI stays dumb.

>>15548836

>in an open world that is left empty for over an hour if you kill everyone in the area

If you clear the outposts they never respawn, and that's how it should be. You can partake in a meaningful island genocide.

>and have nothing to do other than climbing stupid fucking telephone towers over and overv

I'll take (optional) climbing towers for free guns over (mandatory) grinding diamonds for guns every day of the week.

>as if it were dangerous at all with the 300+ medkits you have on you at all times

Play on Master next time.

>in a bag crafted from hour-long chores of shooting animals from a mile away and watch stupid skinning animations over and over

Upgrading slots takes a couple of minutes tops per slot outside of the final upgrade where you need to track down the mission for it. Still infinitely less tedious than grinding diamonds for the same upgrades except FC2's upgrades are actually fucking timegated on top of being grindgated.

>or the guns that still look fresh out of the gun store after 10 mags in a muddy jungle environment

Spoken like a true nogunz. Every quality firearm in existence can complete the 2000rd challenge (2000rds with zero cleaning or additional lubrication without a single failure). You aren't rubbing your gun in the mud you fucking ape.

>or a landfill-tier story that clubs you over your head for not being a Caribbean nigger and forces you to either fuck some nigger queen and then get stabbed in the throat or, you guessed it, kill your friends and stay with the niggers

But that's not what happens at all. You can fuck the nigger queen and then get stabbed, or save your friends and SHE gets stabbed, while you just fuck off and leave.

All of this shitty half-wrong info has me think that you never actually played 3 yourself, and just watched an LP like the zoomer scum you are.

>>15548852

1 against human enemies is excellent, but fighting the bullet sponge humanoid trigens feels pretty bad when even the low-tier ones take 10+ bullets to the face with the OICW. The monkey ones aren't too bad though.

>>15548802

> I can beat the campaigns but random map is another question.

git gud

No really git gud the AI for random maps was tweaked to do what is typical common sense (mostly) instead of acting like a retard for the campaign all the time instead of some of the time. So while you're dicking around the AI's already got it's base setup and a plan of action within the first 2 minutes. Maximizing your economy and not lollygagging is the key to victory.

>>15548903

Dragon's Dogma also had this. I couldn't stop laughing my ass off when I saw my pawn trying to bunny hop away from enemies with me when we were getting our shit kicked in by some bandits.

>>15548910

>and that's how it should be

If you want an already empty open world even more empty so your austism can have more room.

>grinding diamonds for guns

You don't grind for diamonds in FC2 you retarded motherfucker. You search for them on the map, and get them by doing missions of the campaign.

>where you need to track down the mission for it

Upgrading shit is already a pointless filler mechanic meant to waste your fucking time. Of course a retard like you love it.

>Every quality firearm

If you weren't a braindamaged monkey you would know that not only does the game takes place in fucking Africa, but also that the guns you get in the game are all used and worn by the time you get them, like your dad's used asshole in the red light district. They're smuggled weapons used in multiple conflicts and snuck through dirt and mud into africa before you got to use them, and you want them to be in perfect condition? You fucking moron.

>But that's not what happens at all

Except it is except for the one detail where you get to leave instead of staying. It's so shitty and forgettable I forgot some parts of it.

>using zoomer as an insult

Just fuck off back to reddit already you goddamn troglodyte.

>>15548560

They just run and backflip away from you, the trick to killing them in hard mode without taking damage is either sniping them from afar with the glock or constantly chasing after them while hitting them with the shotgun, never stay still or they'll shred you in 3 seconds, the vortigaunt AI is a lot more impressive: always attack in pairs, retreat when low on health to either heal/revive each other, never use melee unless cornered, actually make use of cover and their attacks are perfectly timed ie the other will shoot you as soon as his partner's lightningbolt connects.

>>15548498

> knew how to program the A.I. to appear that they are really smart.

So it had good AI

>>15548690

All RTS AI cheat really. They can't do anything else other than reading your moves and getting multiple times the resources.

>>15548783

>Devs are supposed to overcome hardware limitations and make the game exactly the same on consoles as it is on PC!

This is your brain on reddit.

>>15548690

AI just can't do long term strategy. Completely, 100% cannot at all. Even really fucking dumb people will outplay an AI on equal footing because

of their inability to consider how to work toward multiple goals at once, or have some sort of risk management. If I remember correctly, even on the easiest difficulty in Rome Total War (The first), the AI still gets a giant bonus of 10k Denari every turn because they need it to be any sort of competition.

>>15548896

Abe isn't suicidal enough to just jump to the radical left like what the right-wing party is doing in the UK, conceding ground to social justice talking points constantly.

The nationalist part of the LDP would use it as a chance for a coup against him.

But he is still a massive cuckservative who wants to eliminate all the restrictions and regulations on (((foreign businesses))) and import millions of people to lower the wages of the country.

Fortunately social justice isn't a popular road to achieve those things in Japan, yet.

>>15548514

The hero the world needs but not what it deserves.

>>15549048

>At long range they took single shots, and mid range short bursts, and at very close range would mag dump like a lunatic.

That's exactly what STALKER does.

>>15548567

aka corporate interests, who have been destroying science long before weaponized poltiics with falsified data, sabotage, assassination and other fun methods.

>>15548799

Correction, feminist. It was just some nobody who's gonna get forgotten in a day. And actual Japanese feminists care more about society rather than media and AIs.

>>15548993

Well, the LDP isn't winning by landslides even in their strongholds. These restrictions have been pushed through by Abe in his globalization focused conservatism sucking up to the US platform that has lead only to ruin financially and socially. No one in Japan cares about his prissy fucking parliament, the true believers would follow the emperor whenever the two have butted heads and the rest believe politics and law to be no part of life simply existing floating outside the law of culture. The only people who care about this are the LDP seats, and this is a win for Abe in the short term, although in the long run it will probably not be since fucking over economic powers like the anime industry over what everyone still assumes to be defacto legal won't win him favor among the minority that will still be alive in a decade.

off topic but is fear 2 as good 1 or is 1 the best and 2 and 3 not so good?

>>15548545

Half-Life is corridor trash too though. Don't be a gen-x faggot, play an arena shooter like a real man.

>>15551803

2 is worth a play, but while it's improved in some minor ways, overall the experience is a downgrade. 3 is entertaining to play through with a friend, but otherwise it's a 6/10 at best game.

>>15549393

>>15548979

The zoomer is immunized against all dangers: call him a faggot, a nigger, an autist, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him a zoomer and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how suddenly he shrinks back. "I've been found out."

>>15548860

Don't talk shit.

The AI was pretty good for the time, same goes for audio and graphics. It was done by Crytek.

They also made SSAO which is now in every video game.

>>15551904

I'd consider 3 less than a 6/10. About a 4 or 5. It is some sense of fun but compared to the original it's fucking trash.

I'll try 2 soon though.

also anon, stop with the zoomer meme. It's cuckchan tier trash.

>>15548910

>>15551904

>>>/cuckchan/

>>15551830

>Half-Life is trash

Half Life 1 had so much cool shit in its AI programming that got either removed or tuned down because players either didn't notice or care, it's criminal.

This guy has an entire playlist of them, and he's still finding more to this day.

>>15552143

WTF. You need to go back.

I didn't even know that word existed and I just slided this thread.

You know, those anons telling you faggots to fuck off are completely right!

>>15548514

>She cannot be stopped.

Just in case, can we help increase her power level by introducing her to better vidya?

>>15548799

It's almost entirely south koreans, last I checked.

>>15552210

too bad the gameplay and level design was pure shit, hm? only retards with rosa-clouded nostalgia googles like this turd.

>>15549179

I actually burnt this to a disc and watched it once. It's very, very comprehensible.

>>15551870

Some feel the same, others are in denial. You never really know these days.

>>15551952

This. Tokyo may be left-wing, but the majority of the country is heavily right-leaning.