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Wings of Liberty was fun though

>Are there ANY modern rts games

rts is a fucking dead genre for some reason. Stick to the older stuff.

>>15544851

The multiplayer is extremely barebones. Like i said you can still win with this against shitters. In a properly balanced game that should not be possible.

Or to put it another way: If you have to choose Warcraft 3 or Starcraft 2 which do you play?

>>15544863

If you're talking official or "standard" multiplayer (aka not custom/arcade games) I would choose WC3, but if you're talking custom games I would choose WoL

Blizzard did screw up the balancing on SC2 though thanks to everything they've done, yes.

I was more referring to the campaign and custom games when I said that

>>15544859

>for some reason

There's not a lot you can do with typical RTS games, because by their real time nature they're on a smaller scale than other strategy games.

>>15544880

Also they have a very real CPM/strategic insight bar to entry. You can't mainstream appeal or muh diversity rts.

So it had to die.

>>15544846

SupCom and SupCom:FA were fun.

>>15544880

There's not really a lot you can do with third person shooting but that hasn't stopped the industry from endlessly humping its corpse

>>15544880

Oh, thanks. I'm glad you exhausted all the game design possibilities for RTSes so we don't have to. Care to produce your decades of research and study? Wait nevermind, you're a retard who's full of shit.

I want a good dow 3(4) like dow 1

I want cnc 5 with tiberiu, that dynamically generates based on harvesting.

I really want to play WC3 but the stupid updates fucked mine, although it was pirated anyway but I can't find the last version pirated anywhere.

>>15544948

Typical, base-building RTS games are incredibly limited. They're only one step removed from being RTT games.

The best part of Warcraft 3 is the custom maps. Only turbo faggots cared about the melee.

>>15545015

RTS where one commander lays out bases but the vehicles and units are first/third person players playing it as a tacticool shooter when?

>>15545015

>my <label> has been exhausted of new ideas

><slightly different label> is cool though

So did you have a point or are you just going to keep talking out of your ass?

>>15545027

>implying that hasn't been done multiple times already

>>15545029

There's only so much you can do with buildings, units and basic tech trees. Because you're not controlling an entire nation state as you do in GS, 4X and other affiliated genres, but rather a portion of an empire's army. What could you honestly add to increase the complexity and improve the simulation whilst retaining the core of the genre?

>>15545018

t. pleb who sucked ass at the game

>>15544958

t. nigger who never learned how to get better

>>15544863

Multiplayer wasn't barebones, it was new and it was developing. MMM was very strong but it had counters - banelings/infestor, collosus,forcefields, etc. Plus, many of the times, only using one build or only rushing is a gamble.

However, a lot of units were not utilized for basically almost every expansion (including lotv) like carriers, thors, battle cruisers, nydus networks (used only in niche scenarios unfortunately). I wish that those units were balanced because we would've had outstanding unit comps but eh who knows. All i know is that GSL/proleague/day9 made me excited for every match I saw.

>>15545056

Melee is just not fun in comparison to custom maps or the campaign. I don't get why anyone would think otherwise.

>>15545049

>What could you honestly add to increase the complexity and improve the simulation whilst retaining the core of the genre?

Literally anything? Honestly your tunnel-vision approach to game design is totally baffling to me. I don't even know what you're trying to argue here.

>>15545027

There's a dead source based game called empires mod on steam, each team gets a commander who base builds and builds vehicle factories for players who custom create their own tanks and transportation units whose options are based on a research tree that the commander devolops further to suit the teams needs.

It was pretty fun, it's just kind of dead.

>>15545151

We should have a game night of Empires.

>>15545049

You just seem more and more retarded by the post. Just because there has been little innovation doesn't mean that there can't be

I guess Cossacks 3, but it's essentially a remaster of the older ones.

>>15545025

watch progames on youtube

>>15544846

>WC3 now has 24 player maps

>no one talks about it.

Guess they couldn't bring it back?

>>15545356

>You act like the genre can only advance by "increasing complexity"

How else? Simplification and streamlining make video games worse. The only real way to improve an already great game is to add more of it, and additional complexity does just that.

>>15545476

There is such a thing as bloating a game with unnecessary mechanics, pointless and obtuse complexity, and shit of that nature

adding complexity for complexity's sake is retardation, it has to be meaningful, carefully done while still being engaging and more importantly fun

There's something to be said about casualization but its very easy to fuck up a game by making it cryptic, overly complex and by extension tedious to slog through and figure out

>>15545476

>>15545495

It's not about making something more complex or simple but entirely new.

There isn't a set of mechanics that define what an RTS game is supposed to work like and to think that there is ends up forcing you to imitate the classics.

>>15545049

>Chess has no buildings, no tech trees, no nation states, no economy. Still being played to this day.

There are approximately 10^120 possible chess games so something as simple as this is still complex as fuck

>>15544859

Every recent attempt has been a half-assed remaster (Age ofs, though Empire 2's was actually successful), a shitty (((modern))) sequel (Starcraft 2), a kikestarter disaster (Planetary Annihilation), or plain mediocre (Grey Goo).

The most recent good RTS I know of is Sins of a Solar Empire from fucking 2008, a full decade ago, which was a huge financial success and whose series of expansions sold like hotcakes yet is somehow STILL not getting a fucking expansion after the retards who made it have failed every other attempt at a game since.

>>15545476

>what is a wholistic approach to design

A game must be greater than the sum of its parts. You are missing the forest for the trees.

>>15545803

>wholistic

>>15545825

Did you even check a dictionary before thinking to post? I used and spelled that word correctly.

>>15545833

>thinking to post

>>15545049

niggers like you are part of the reason why RTS has died, in fact I remember seeing this same kind of retarded shit from shills excusing C&C4 when it was coming out

>>15545185

>>15545151

Not really dead.

The cancerous "veterans" still play it on weekends. We actually hade a run in with them the last time we hade a gamenight, they tried to reel in the faggotry and failed. It was glorious.