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>water is wet thread

no thanks

>>15544255

tru

>>15544263

>nothing personnel kid

What about orc women though?

Everything after vanilla isn't canon. Once classic drops it'll get its own unique updates and expansion. Same exact route Old school runescape went.

>>15544325

that wouldn't fix the shitty NuTalent system that destroyed class customization and casualized class abilities down to a moba style four button rotation with a lame combo point ramp up mechanics for every class.

>>15544357

>unique updates and expansion.

I almost might be tempted come back and try it if they announced Orges for the horde and High Elves for the Alliance, and they were doing pre-cata versions of the unfinished zones for classic

Boy I sure do love these twice daily WoW threads talking about how bad the game is on the lead up to Classic® servers being released.

Reminder: The Alliance was always right.

You live in hovels and jump at the first asshole who wants to turn you into a regime. Fucking plebs!

Funny, Blizzdrones are complaining about the exact opposite with an overwhelming "Horde favoritism" sentiment in GD despite Sylvanas being literally H*tler, the current warchief dying every expansion, and the Alliance having God on their side. I wouldn't know because I haven't played or paid for WoW in a long time so I'm out of the loop.

>>15544280

Yes.

>>15544357

>>15544325

Can't wait for Classic. RPPvP master race.

>>15544381

Whatever you're talking about happened after vanilla WoW so yes it would be fixed as it wouldn't exist anymore.

Pee pee

Poo poo

WoW is bad

>This somehow deserves a thread

On one hand, if Blizzard never reinvented the Horde, WoW would be just another Warhammer clone. On the other hand, even a bland Warhammer clone would be better than any setting Blizzard has invented.

>>15544507

Did you pay the premium price only to discover that cool big zeppelin in the picture is more like a floating VW bug once you actually use it?

>>15544520

>If you don't like my thread that must mean you love the game

>>15544540

>pee pee

>poo poo

>WoW is bad

>Posting normalfag goon platitudes while trying to pretend he's not a normalfag goon.

>>15544507

>>15544540

TWICE!

I actually recently tried WoW. I've been playing other MMO's for a good 7 years or so now (maybe more or less) and I'm considerably disappointed by the WoW trial. So far done a Draenei monk (healing spec), Worgen hunter (beast spec) and dabbled in a Night Elf priest and Blood Elf mage. 2 of the zones were way too large with nothing in them and 2 were so ridiculously buggy that I was just surprised about how it's still so popular, even if not as much as it used to be.

Am I missing something? Is it purely an endgame style thing or is the opening 20 levels to vanilla just lackluster? I like the ideas of the classes but they're nothing special and none of the abilities seem to have any weight or fun behind them. Paying a fairly large sum will get me everything for the game needed to play and even jump to endgame, but I'm concerned. Had a friend show me their Demon Hunter in a dungeon or raid or something and it just looked a bit dull - run through, mash your skills, everyone looks to be doing basically the same thing shallow thing but with different colours and very lackluster animations.

>WoW threads up the ass recently

>OP the eternal fag wants another one

Fuck you. We don't need a thread everyday to say the same thing. This is a dubs thread, now check 'em.

>>15544750

Unless you're clinically retarded, there is one scenario in which WoW is enjoyable: the year is 2004, the WC3 campaign is still fresh in your mind.

>>15544750

>I actually recently tried WoW

I'm so sorry.

>>15544764

>>15544785

Now I just feel sad for missing when it was actually good.

>>15544793

Classic will be here in 2019 and it'll be pretty much the same experience, especially for you since you've never played it before.

>>15544797

Good to hear! Silver linings and all that, then.

If you're dumb enough to pay Blizzard for a game, let alone a relaunch of one of their worst games, you don't belong on this board.

>>15544823

>RP

>He wants to ERP taking big futa dick in Goldshire all day

>>15544902

That's RP-PvE you faggot. RP-PvP is for faction wars, wpvp and server events. I am not interested in ERP and I hope those types stay on their containment server Moonguard where they belong. I just want to be social in an MMO RPG.

>>15544802

The fuck? There's dozens of populated vanilla servers. Just play that.

I allways wished Forsaken would've been their own 3rd-side instead of being lumped up in the Horde.

>world of niggers

>>15544245

>classic wow

>orctrolls live in shit canyon

>cows live in shit tents

>undead livein shit canals

>humans get to live in Disneyland

>dwarfgnoms get to live in Erebor The Lonely Mountain

>elfs get to live in Rivendell in a giant tree

It was ever thus

>Muh noble savages

>Vanilla

Dont you have some gay eceleb tier dude to suck off on your ebin private servers discord channel? Or did another server die and you're looking for some faggot to smooch up to again?

>>15545945

I think the Shit Canals were kinda neat, shame they didn't expand it on topside making it hopefully more attractive for players to spend more time on.

Reminder that negative publicity is better than none at all, which is what drives Blizzard shills.

>>15544245

I don't think it would have mattered how they presented it. The game's a grindfest for 120 straight levels because the only content that matters is end-game content, and that's the only content that matters because that's where you get gear that's actually worth two sniffs. The end game content is usually fun enough, but getting to it is like shooting yourself in the foot repeatedly.

Giving Blizzard a singke cent after all their pozzed progressive modding would be nothingnshort of retarded, classic servers or no.

>>15552359

What did they do that is pozzed?

how do I play wow single player if I have a shit PC

If you love old wow so much why dont you purchase beta of vanilla? And please tell me how great everything was.

>>15552372

If you have at least 1gb ram you can run emulator+game pretty comfortably.

>>15552398

is there a version of the emulator you recommend? I'm trying to get it to run on an old 1 GB laptop

>>15546676

>Ganking and camping elves while leveling

>Having a good time

>Guild slowly dies when everyone reaches level 60 because too autistic to farm raids/battlegrounds especially when Alterac is so fucking rigged against Horde

Rinse and repeat and you have yourself every 8chan vanilla pserver guild ever.

eternal reminder WoW was never good

>>15545245

>friend plays on moon guard

>he swears the erp stuff in goldshire is more of a self-feeding meme and that 90%of the server doesnt partake.

>Press X to Doubt

>decide to test his theory, roll a character.

>Goldshire is how it usually is. Tons of futa cock.

>start leveling

>the world is pretty alive, guilds running around doing rp events.

>used to the game being a sibgle-player game at this point.

>neat.

>Start looking into joining an rp guild.

>Most have an no-erp-allowed rule.

>if you are even seen in goldshire you can be kicked if you dont have a good reason.

>Get to 110 and do some guild atuff.

>pretty comfy

>quit cause its modern wow and I got bored anyway.

Wow is shit, but the moon guard erp stuff is just a meme at this point.

>>15545875

>people just afk in cities

if you play on any server that doesn't have the raid or dungeon finder this problem completely disappears. there's a good reason almost all classicfags consider that the beginning of the end

>>15552724

to think that all the time that is done to emulate WoW with all of its story and design flaws, theyd think of overhauling it from the start.

>>15552780

There's a goal.

>>15552780

Let's be honest, if a bunch of rag-tag amateur devs can work on a battle royale battleground on a private server, i'm sure they can script some new dungeons and make some low-poly gear with better writing than what is out now.

inb4 donation shit

Wrath was a decent ending to the Warcraft series and was designed that way by 'A team' before they split off to other projects internally. I don't know why any of you continued to play after that.

>>15544325

>attunement quest chains are back and longer than ever before

This kills the Wildstar

>>15553151

I know, its a major shitfest like a lot of other servers. Idk why admins have to get involved with the community outside of devving; unless theres cheating or some sort of game-breaking community based system (i.e. monopolizing farming or areas to make it unplayable for others), then I can't see why they'd interact with others.

i've always felt like learning the development process for the game, it would be fun to see the things you can make in the game.

>>15553345

kept looking up more videos and I found this, hilarious on how terrible the drama is. The looting is so broken you can rapidly click items to pick them up multiple times, then people started to sell this and ruin the entire market. Also the are selling cosmetics with real money at a price even higher then what blizzard is doing.

This guy is a faggot but the drama he talks about is juicy.

>>15553391

sure, what do you have to say about it

wow is 10/10 RIGHT NOW faggot

Questions for classic fags

Why is the new talent system bad? What depth is being added by choosing if you want to do 5% more sword damage when that is just cooked into the class by default?

Whats wrong with LFG? Is being able to play the game while also looking for a group that horrible for you?

Whats wrong with LFR? Why is it that players getting to see content a bad thing? Its basically choosing easy mode. The only people who could be mad here are gatekeeping lorefags.

Why is transmogging bad? Why does it bother you that players can properly dress their characters now rather than having weird retarded clown suits?

There are some real problems with retail but these changes are not some of those problems.

>>15553458

Its good and I'm having fun. They haven't implemented RDF yet, so feels like vanilla but with WotLK content.

>>15554080

ur dumb

>>15554080

>Why is the new talent system bad?

It does not give you the feeling that you're getting more powerful the more you dedicate to a spec. Since they made it simple choices which can be changed anytime (free respecs, talent changes), theres no way you can stand out from others of your class. Cookie Cutter builds will always be there, so blizz's reason was futile.

>what's wrong with LFG/LFR?

nothing from a point of view that players will want the easy way to see stuff. theres nothing wrong with watching it on youtube either. But with LFG/LFR, having an easy mode for the end game makes it practically worth no value, no cred. It even reinforces that by severing communities through the use of cross-realm.

Blizz ruined any potential of tightly knit communities, turning an MMO into a multiplayer party game RPG.

Plus the story is bonafide shit.

>>15554131

ur retarded

WoW was always trash. It literally killed an entire genre.

hail fellow channers! dost not thee just hateth [game]? gather 'round ye bonfire and let us post our very similar opinions that we've posted many a-time before.

>>15554080

>Why is the new talent system bad? What depth is being added by choosing if you want to do 5% more sword damage when that is just cooked into the class by default?

i understand what you're trying to say and i don't necessarily disagree but taking away even the element of choice is not smart, ever. yes, the community had meta builds that you basically HAD to follow or you wouldn't be invited to raids. it still felt like an accomplishment to get there

>LFG

players completely stopped exploring or reaching out to anyone else. in the old days if you wanted to go do stratholme you had to ask in general chat, assemble a group, likely cross-reference your list of Known Shitters and make sure none of these guys were on it, maybe ask a guildie if he can unlock the back door for you, etc. then you all flew there and actually ran to the dungeon. lot of wasted time doing busywork but it made the world feel huge and it built relationships

>LFR

same thing except it's gated behind a retarded item level system that doesn't factor in your build or play style (not that you can have one to call your own nowadays). i've seen tons of items with a higher ilvl but that are objectively worse than what you're using, but you must take the ilvl one to get into higher raids

>transmogging

your gear should be a visual representation of where you are content-wise and your abilities. i remember a dude who used to wear all knight-commander's gear when walking through ironforge and he looked like a goddamn hero, and he must have been to get that gear. now any asshole can look "cool" and when everyone looks cool, nobody stands out

>>15555268

I agree, except for the DK part, "hero classes" are gay

>>15544245

The Horde was never good. Enjoy living in the dirt.

>>15555268

Dont be ashamed anon, his is hight quality & helpful autism. If not everything, i agree overall with how Wow or a reboot for it should be.

>>15555271

>exposing jews is itself jewish, goy :^)

>>15555268

Mostly agree with you, but I'd keep transmog, purely out of wanting to be able to tone some of the armour effects down. I prefer sensible looking kit, not fuckhueg flaming green skull spaulders and pikes jizzing blood-lightning.

>>15555049

>might shoulders

look at this fag

can't even kill chromaggus

>>15552695

Problem is it does kill the world, why go risk your neck running through STV and then westfall as horde to get to deadmines when you can pop a Q while running around barrens and be teleported there. Not to mention the dungeon finder gave you fucking free blues for using it. Making it a downside to not use it.

A part of the AFK in cities was because battlemasters were added in vanilla and that meant you no longer had to venture to a part of the world to run a specific BG and meant world pvp died a bit more that way.

>>15554131

Transmog kinda kills shit because early on you could ID an enemy by what gear they had and could calculate whether you could take em or not. Transmog blurred this by allowing people with top tier gear to hide their shit to look like really low tier armors or grays

>>15556251

>Transmog kinda kills shit because early on you could ID an enemy by what gear they had and could calculate whether you could take em or not. Transmog blurred this by allowing people with top tier gear to hide their shit to look like really low tier armors or grays

The best part is deceptive transmogs where you can make a hunter look like a shaman or a mage look like a priest. There are even transmogs that can make cloth casters look like rogues as there are cloth items that look like leather and offhands that look like daggers or maces.

Play a priest, equip mace that looks like rogue mace. Have offhand transmogged to Thaurissan's Royal Scepter. Or transmog offhand into Rod of Molten Fire and you can look like you're swinging daggers.

>>15552422

>tfw get one working but realize I want to do one with playerbots

>the only premade vanilla I can find with bots uses mySQL 5.7+ which doesn't work on vista

if anyone knows of one that uses a lower version please tell me, otherwise I'll keep struggling to build my own

>>15560258

>Vista

Nigger, I can almost guarantee you that developing that game would be easier in Linux using Wine or some shit.

>>15562363

I’ve got one private server working perfectly, but it’s not one with playerbots. If I could just find a repack with 5.5 or 5.6 MySQL and playerbots my problems would (probably) be solved.

>>15555268

>>Alliance rebranded as Old Kingdoms with two sub-factions: The Alliance (stormwind humans, silvermoon blood/high elves, ironforge dwarves, gnomeragan gnomes) and the Twin Isles Accord (darnassus night elves, exodar draenei)

So much this. The two faction worked in vanilla, because it made some sense, but the second Blizzard thought that putting highly advanced & beautifull blood elves into the savage & nonhuman Horde, it went to shit. Blood elves should have been Alliance, or at least not into the Horde.

>>15564709

If Blizzard gets the balls to officially make blood elves extinct and deletes everyone's blood elf characters I will buy five years for full price.

>>15554080

even if cookie cutter specs exist, a lack of customization is still a downside; there was even room for variation for some specs in vanilla

also, your specialization should be significant; if you can dual-spec, then your specialization isn't so significant

the problem with LFG is not only that it reduces immersion, but it also teleports you straight to the dungeon, which casualizes the game and makes the world feel smaller and encourages people to stand around in capital cities waiting for a dungeon pop, and it makes it harder for blacklists to matter

and most importantly, it drastically reduces the amount of socialization involved in getting a dungeon group together and running it; nowadays people don't even say anything in 5 mans unless someone messed up… it hadn't used to be like that before, even if everyone knew the content and everyone knew that everyone else knew the content

LFR is bad for the same reasons that LFG is bad, on top of also reducing the significance of doing a raid and resulting in more retarded item level bloat that increases the difference between a fresh max level player and a geared-up max level player, which should be small, but not too small; going from ilvl 63 blues and worse to full ilvl 65 epics would be a good difference to have between a fresh 60 and a BiS 60

why do you think devs made secrets in games back in the day anyway? there were other ways to add replayability that would result in more people seeing the content that they worked so hard on

and why is transmogging bad? not only is it capable of artificially driving up the prices of low level green items that players who don't have a max level character would otherwise buy to level to the point where they couldn't realistically afford it if their income and not that of others was multiplied by 10 starting at level 1, but it also adds an element of deception to PvP

you see that guy in that battleground; that warrior that looks like he just dinged 60?

well, yeah, turns out hes actually decked out in BiS forever gear, but you didn't know that and let your guard down around him, enabling him, to easily kill you

>>15564889

oh, and theres also the ilvl requirement thing for LFR; thats dumb too for the same reasons mentioned by >>15555027

>>15555268

>Mounts: 40% at lvl 20, 70% at lvl 40, 100% at lvl 60.

oh, so you don't like having to walk around until level 40, and then only being 60% after after a 3 second cast time after you can finally afford the mount? casual

>dual spec

so you want to reduce significance of specializing into a discipline?

…

>When I am old and decrepit, lying on my death bed, I would be ashamed to be reminded that I thought about this kind of shit.

oh, wait

well, I guess I won't bother commenting on the rest of your post then, anon

>>15544245

By still thinking about wow you feed into blizzard with your ork powa. Stop.

You cannot make good things out of cancer.

The story is the worst part. One second "Whaaaaa elf mass grave" the next "Get 0/45 spider eggs for Mr. Wheezle to make an omelette".

Every enemy is a red circle that fwaps you over and over

There are few encounters with more than 1 enemy

Enemies are the same strength compared to the player at level 10 and 60 (and the same model) and you only fight enemies your level

Blizzard made it unfun as possible because of their masonic satanism

>>15567710

you sound like a conspiratorial idiot but I will humor you on one thing :

I've noticed that in very old WC lore, the humans very clearly represented European Christendom while the orcs very clearly represented "satanism" , but there are some things that allude to them being in the same role as the Mongols, Germanic barbarians and even Muslims (green is the color of Islam and the orcs first invaded the southern regions, there's one line about the humans defending the churches of the light from a "dark horde rising from the south")

wc1 lore even made very clear references to archangels , heaven, God and hell. the orcs were said to use the powers of Hades long before "fel" became a meme.

I've always been curious why blizzard has chosen to distance themselves from real world religions and myths over the years. specifically anything Christian.

>>15564583

I've almost got one with playerbots running now, just have to work out some kinks with the World database

here's the guide I've been loosely following if anyone else is interested:

https://gist.github.com/Muehe/175d2e761169327d50c40eda2b6d4a32

>>15567768

>I've always been curious why blizzard has chosen to distance themselves from real world religions and myths over the years. specifically anything Christian.

if you paint it in a bad light, people won't like it. if you paint it in a good or neutral light, people won't like it. best to just make up a new word and have it mean the same then all the idiots can enjoy it in quiet.

>>15567768

You are diverting a discourse for the honor of the worshipful fraternity. WoW is Freemasonry: The Game. The Sun Moon and Hammer are blatant Mason symbols and the word "Craft" gives it away. The whole game is about working instead of fun. Just goes to show that games are ruined not to cut costs but because of Masonic work crap

>>15569691

have you ever considered that maybe the kikes that run blizzard just want money?

"craft" is alot earlier than WoW. you do know that there were games BEFORE WoW right you underage faggot?

>>15572673

I was going to post this. This is like that jew pedo nu-Powerpuff Girls writer who created a self-insert and made him date one of the girls.

>>15572673

Are you fucking kidding me? How does he have a job? Sick the feminists on his ass.

>>15572855

Edgy just like every leftist nu-male. I bet that he's antifa too.

>>15572855

Christ, I have a problem with run on sentences but that's like a whole new level of bad.

>>15572855

I could probably write better than him t. /monster/ writefag

>no problem on alliance

this entire time alliance players have had to suffer sharing a planet with the same green horde fucking shits they already beat back in WC2 for absolutely no reason except muh two faction war

just face the fact that the story should have ended years ago, with the orc race redeeming itself by somehow sacrificing itself to take out sargeras or some other big evil guy.

or just dying out with a whimper off-screen, that would have been fine too.

>>15544357

Honestly that might be worth doing. Classic was shit in a lot of ways and was the herald of casualization to the MMO genre (no, "hardcore" time investment requirements don't make a game high-skill). It's only that modern WoW is somehow drastically worse.

>>15572855

I know he's intentionally writing bad dialogue, but it's still a dumpster fire. As moot once said in his more lucid moments, "ironic shitposting is just shitposting" and that maxim can be applied here as "ironically writing garbage is just writing garbage."

>>15572855

>books about writing

Protip: don't read books about writing, they will never actually teach you how to write and are about as helpful as those self-help books that talk about the power of positive thinking, realization, and "just being yourself".

>>15573058

I know, that's why I mentioned it. Only way to learn how to write is by doing it, and developing taste through reading good writing.

>>15572866

We all could, tbh.

>>15573058

the fuck are you talking about, more people should be reading those books given how rare it is for writers now to be able to form a cohesive plot. You'd think X should lead into Y into Z would be obvious but judging by how many failures of writing there are where the plot and characters can't even muster a motivation for what's happening it obviously isn't.

And "lol just grind writing" doesn't make you a better writer, it cements your bad habits.

>>15573047

There's a difference between writing "bad" dialogue which is supposed to come from a low-IQ character and writing bad dialogue that came from a low-IQ writer. You can make a character sound stupid while still being believable and lyrical. There is nothing lyrical about that bit of writing, it's painful to read, it's unfunny, and you know he thought it was funny.

>>15573096

Found the shitty writer.

>>15573102

Found the fanfiction.net "author"

>>15573104

You're telling people to read "Plot 101" and "Write Great Books Now!" bullshit, you have no idea what you're talking about. Here's a tip, go and look at who writes those writing books, it's not actually quality authors who have written great works, it's nobody professors and hacks.

Do you think J.R.R. Tolkien read books telling him how to outline his novels? Do you think James M. Cain read books telling him about sentence structure? Writing books are a scam for gullible retards who think that becoming a great writer is something they can learn. Either you can tell stories or you can't, either you have taste or you don't, either you're willing to sit in a room by yourself and turn a blank page into portal to another world or you're not.

>>15573123

>two people who followed very basic plot structure that can easily be taught but had interesting enough ideas

Ah yes, truly I have been shown, The Subspace Emissary's Worlds Conquest is the greatest work of all time after all look how many words it has. I'm sure after solving 2+2 900 times those kids can solve any math problem you throw at them ignore that they managed to get it wrong 50% of the time because they have brain damage, they ground out the absurdly basic things like "writing a number as an answer"

>>15573126

enlighten us, great wizard

>>15573146

Tard tier IQ. You can follow other people's plot structure all you want, copy the Hero's Journey, do whatever, but it wont make you a good writer because at the end of the day style and aesthetics are what really matters and those things can't be taught.

>>15573239

Grinding out writing doesn't suddenly give you those things either.

>>15573298

What kind of servers have you gone?. isn't most of the private servers today vanilla ones, so shouldnt at least exist a bunch of them that are good & populated?. ( Im not an expert, because I have just started playing Wow, and no other mmorpg, in the Warmane servers in the blizzlike Wrath realm, so I cant say I know much in the matter)

>>15573156

It goes back to EQ, particularly its dungeons and how mobs work. If you aggro a mob it doesn't leash after traveling a certain distance - it follows you until you leave the zone. However, once a mob loses its target it doesn't just return to its spawn, it looks for a new one nearby. If you aggroed too many mobs you'd run to the zone and announce "train to zone" in local chat to let people near the zone entrance to get the hell out of the way or they'd get jumped by the mobs following you once you zoned out. The "train" refers to the way the string of mobs following a person resembles a physical train, thus the noise made by the command.

It's related to the practice of training a mob onto someone, meaning bringing a mob to someone to try to get it to attack them by proximity aggro. It's why it was called "training" when Hunters in WoW would kite Doom Lord Kazzak all the way to Stormwind so he'd go on a rampage and kill everyone.

>>15577619

The noose can be easily adjusted to the wearer's neck while also being sturdy enough to break it when the wearer drops. Most people just use it to strangulate themselves because they simply don't understand the purpose of it.

>>15577619

>>15577695

Protip: you need a rope that hangs at least eight feet in length AFTER tie-off if you want to ensure your neck will snap. So, you need to find a height without obstructions on the way down that is at least 9 feet plus your height. If you don't make the noose properly, your jaw will break instead. Practice first.

>>15577705

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_Table_of_Drops

>>15577745

Man, skinny people and fat kids have it rough.

>>15569299

I finally got it working all the way and played for a few hours last night, pretty fun stuff, it almost feels like the way it's meant to be played. There is a few things like choosing quest rewards that is a bit clunky but otherwise it's great; really fun controlling a part of characters you made yourself.

I never liked WoW, and I firmly believe that you have shit taste if you have ever enjoyed WoW.

I just came here to say

NIGGER

anyone tried project ascension?

apparently now they have safer realms where you can't get robbed

having fun with my warrior with minor shaman/paladin stuff

i'm surprised that the population is so low, everything seemingly works pretty well

Warcraft stopped being good during Warcraft 3. I want orcs to be about raping and pillaging again.

>>15582691

Play Warhammer games then.

>>15572673

They're banning all threads about this on the official forums.

>>15572917

Nah the whole orcs fucking off to kalimdor was a neat idea, should've had humans land on kalimdor a few years later, curious as to where the orcs went. They see shit like Orgrimmar and think "oh fuck they're gearing up for war again" and start building up arms themselves

>>15583840

https://8ch.net/vg/res/64825.html

>>15583890

>pasting the url

henlo stinky leddit

>>15583912

You mad, nerd?

>>15584088

What's the matter faggot, got something against posting on topic or are you just mad?

Go cry moar >>>/leftpol/

WoW feels like playing an RTS except you're 1 unit fighting another weaker unit 20,000 times

But inst the Horde the favorites pets of Nu-Blizzard? Since WC3, The Alliance have been the one to get the screw ups, and while the Horde, even when being the underdogs, they get fine and no serious repercussions

>>15545945

Alliance cities have always been better, tought; Even the Exodar abeing weird but had a sci-fy feeling to it. Silvermoon could not count because the city, just like the entire Blood Elves race, doesnt mix well with the Horde and its more like an Alliance city/race, but that for retarded reasons, its in the Horde. Orgrimmar is less of a city and more like a valley with few tens and maybe a big building. Compare that to Ironforge or even Darnassus (That is not as populated or big, but feels better and complete).

Now, dont you dare to call Thunder Bluff a shit capital. I love the style and structure of the city. Small but compressed and lively city. Ironically feels like a better city than the supposed capital of the Horde. Hell, even Undercity have its ups compared to Orgrimmar!

>>15586176

No, that's what Savage feels like.

WoW feels like playing a single unit in a poorly-designed custom WC3 map.

Vol'Jin is returning next patch. His spirit is gone, and you go to Bolvar, The Loa, Odyn, and all these other leaders of the damn to figure out what happened, and none of them have his spirit. Vol'Jin said the Loa told him to make Sylvanis warchief, but it's starting to look more like N'Zoth or Xal'atath told Vol'Jin in order to bring about their coming.

And this reminds me. Whatever happened to Sylvanas and her banshee sisters existing in perpetual agony and longing for true death? When did her "forsaken" become a self-preserving people? Because even when I was playing in 2005, I remember them still being cursed undead.

>>15587646

She died during Cataclysm, and realized that being just dead sucks.

>>15587684

Some of the horde still think they are the good guys when they've been the villains since at least wrath.

>>15583890

I posted in >>88322 the doubts I have, and that I need help in starting, but if someone can answer me here instead of the other thread, im fine with that.

Also, I will ask another think. Its a MMORPG, so its a time sink, but how much grind had/has Warhammer Online compared to Wow 3.3.5?

>>15587789

Damn, I forgot to screencap the post, but is good you did that for us.

>>15587318

underrated post

>>15564709

The allies already had an elf faction

>>15572673

Not sure why these girlfriend larpers keep doing this since they will get caught. He's in the same league as Diaz with his disjointed webcomic about Ashley Burch and the powerpuff girl's jew self insert. I guess they get some kind of thrill out of public humiliation.

>>15544325

That sounds fun as fuck honestly. The problem with raid progression on private servers is you end up farming ICC for example non stop.

>>15552441

They want to go back to a time where they were not expected to be responsible. $50 is chump change for that to them.

>>15588440

And? The Horde isn't a faction that should have a high elvesque race included in it. Hell, Night Elves could have been a good inclusion into the Horde! They make more sense than the Blood Elves, that should be into the Alliance instead.

>>15572673

You gotta really admire a man so in love with a fictional character he'd dedicate his entire life and job to be with her. It's kinda funny not sad at all.

>>15588555

The high elves started because they were addicted to magic and couldn’t live without it they were vaguely aligned with the burning legion when the first well of eternity blew up. The story arch in Warcraft 3 vaguely aligned with this theme also. They are more of a horde faction then an alli faction

>>15588674

>The high elves started because they were addicted to magic and couldn’t live without it they were vaguely aligned with the burning legion when the first well of eternity blew up.

True. But that only means they were desperate and went to get demons to get magic. And after being fucked by Garithos, and the Kirin Tor didnt react at time to fight the injustice, the blood elves didnt looked the Alliance in good vision, but that doesnt makes them to go automatically into the Horde. It would have made sense for them to be neutral, and not participate in the Alliance, but that doesnt means they must go to the Horde.

I mean, have you seen any Horde group post TBC? Before the Horde was a group of non-human savage races working together to have a place in the world; Now its only half of it, and the other is highly civilized & beautiful people that looks like Alliance spies put into the Horde FFS.

And with BFA, now the Horde have multiples elve reskins that doesnt make any sense, and wreck even more the Horde style.

>>15588555

>>15588713

agreed, Warcraft III was all I knew of the lore until only like a year or two ago and when I learned the blood elves were part of Horde my jaw dropped, it's supposed to be humans vs monsters and putting elves in with the latter is not ok just because they're crack addicts

>>15588713

Garithos is long gone by the time Blood Elves are introduced to WoW. Also, the hatred towards Garithos was a personal thing with Kael and the Blood Elves that are playable are not followers of Kael anyway.

>>15588713

It would have made more sense for BC to introduce a third faction led by illidan. It would have been blood elves, Naga, Broken Draenei not recannoned and some sort of filler race murlocs or something.

>>15588830

>filler race

Why not the former demon followers of Magtheridon?

>>15588830

Naga, Ogres, or literally anything else would have made more sense then BE's going to horde. Naga or even the viking race in WOTLK would have been way better than faggot elves.

>>15588830

Or better yet now that I think of it a third faction lead by Kael. Their story starts shortly after Illidans fuck up and failure to destroy the lich king. The haggard blood elves land back in Silver moon and take it back and then eventually come back to Outland and kill illidan.

>>15588844

The reason it was done was to balance the factions and give horde paladins. Did you guys play in vanilla horde was always out manned by alli because it was the monster faction. If alli has gotten pretty elves the faction imbalance would have been ridiculesly staggered

>>15587608

Jay Wilson quit Blizzard few months into Legion. But his stench impregnated the entire expansion, it seems.

>>15555337

>The Germanic elves are said to live in mounds, which led to their identification with the dead buried in barrows

DELET DIS U KIKE SHILL

>>15588868

The reason it was done was to balance the factions and give horde paladins. Did you guys play in vanilla horde was always out manned by alli because it was the monster faction.

How about nerfing paladins and buffing shamans, if the two exclusive classes weren't balanced then?. Besides, if they really wanted to add paladins to the Horde, then how about giving the class to any of the existing races, like for example the tauren? You know, just like the fucking did in Cataclysm. Although the reason for it was more or less dumb, it at least an excuse to give paladins to the Horde, and no need to put Blood elves into it.

And really, why are you obsessed that there must be an elven race into the Horde regardless of if it brokes the faction style/balance. Horde already have a Humanoid race (Undead), so inst like they only had monsters-races. And if an elven races was really needed, then there should have been placed Night Elves into the Horde into the first place then, instead of doing a weird thing with the factions.

Really, Night elves should have been Horde, being a race not as civilized than vanilla Alliance, more in tune with the naturalist/shamanist aspect of the Horde, and it was a more humanoid & prettier races, but still with an more non-human look to it still. While Blood Elves would have been perfect for Alliance ,because they completed the classical & old Alliance of Lordaeron, and because Blood Elves are a somewhat dark & sinister race now, it would have given the Alliance a more grey aspect to it, instead of being totally the pure & good guys.

>>15590623

Why are you and every other npc obsessed with having blood elves in alliance

>https://twitter.com/WeakAuras/status/1051812677578838016

New dataminer temporarily had access to sub numbers. BfA was 3.2 million at launch, dropped to 1.7 million now.

>>15578070

not allowed to have fun

>>15589061

First Diablo, then Warcraft. What will Jay "Fuck them" Wilson. destroy next?

>>15590806

Precisely why they had stopped reporting sub numbers. Also what is a secondary purchase?

>>15590806

>>15590802

>WoW subs at an all time low only a few months into the latest expansion

>BFA, the expansion sold on the premise of bringing back Alliance vs Horse to the forefront, couldn't even get a third of Warlords of Draenor's launch numbers

How did they fuck up this hard?

>>15590814

Probably either somebody who pays for their subscription with WoW tokens and thus technically pays more for their sub than anyone else, or somebody who bought a second+ copy of Battle for Azeroth.

>>15590819

Apparently the new azerite armor feature is a pile of shit and everyone from normalfag casuals to progression raiders hate it. From what I've heard class balance is also in the tank with some classes getting kicked from LFG because they're such a handicap. I'm not surprised their sub count has plummeted.

>>15590842

>get gear

>secondary stats and effects are all locked

>need to level up a second xp bar amulet to the level to inlock them

>multiple 'tiers' to each item

>you can get raid drops that are worthless because the amulet holds its abilities to ransom

>better start grinding amulet xp goys we are the only game in town so its us or nothi-

>w-where are you going?

>what do you mean online gaming is not a novelty we have dominance over?

>what the fuck is a fortnite?

>>15590819

Probably something to do with re-inventing the wheel a dozen times for combat and spending millions of dollars on raids nobody does after the expansion is out and ignoring other aspects like immersion, exploration, crafting, trading.

Also doesn't help that they actively ignore all feedback.

>>15590806

I thought it was even lower. I stopped playing last month after buying BfA and resubbing with my (((Tokens))) and it felt like there was a population of maybe 300 or 500 players across the whole EU region at night time. Getting into battlegrounds takes like 30 minutes and even when checking all languages in the group finding tool you will only see like 10-15 groups.

>>15591323

War Mode turned off gankers, azurite turned off raiders, intentionally bad armour and no tiers killed off the casual power chase whore.

>>15591323

I'd imagine that a great deal of the active playerbase is chinese

>Blizzard gets BTFO yet again

What a sad day for gaming. That they are still alive enough that they still can be NTFO yet again, instead of just bankrupt

>>15590806

To be fair the drop-off seems to correlate with how they're doing content now. You get the launch, get about a month's worth of content if you're a casual by seeing everything once, then unsub until the next major patch that will have a whole bunch of new things to do and a catch-up mechanic that'll let you get through the new stuff without too much problem. See it all once or twice on lowest difficulty, unsub until next major patch. Another thing to account for is the amount of in-game transactions and the cash it rakes in - you think they added a whole bunch of allied races with the promise of adding even more in future as a coincidence after having character recustomization and max-level boosts as paid services? What does it matter if Johnny Casual plays only every few months, if he buys two-three character boosts, easily netting 8-16 months worth of subscriptions with just two-three swipes of his credit card?

Relying solely on subscriptions is not feasible. I'd guess at least half if not more of their income is from in-game currency and services.

>>15590848

You forgot the best part about the neck holding abilities hostage. The levels the abilities unlocked at scaled for the first bit. So like if you had a level 20 heart, the pieces would always drop with the second, third and fourth traits locked no matter what.

Just for clarification, a level 20 heart would need 5 levels to unlock all the traits of a piece of armor. A level 22 heart with the same item would need 5 levels. And the exp needed to level exponentially increased

>>15591392

They merged with Activision and Activision is never going bust.

Wow is a cancer. Wow should never have been.

>>15598159

They were purchased by Tencent anyway.

>>15591524

It doesnt work this way as far as I know.

>>15590848

Its not the real problem. The real problem that all the traits are pure garbage. Best trait gives you 5% dps worst trait gives you 4% dps. A little bit interesting traits are 4% dps increase, "deal damage twice a minute" are 5% dps.

>>15591427

>catch-up mechanic

This too. Why bother if everyone will be leveled up automatically? And the way they distribute loot is also pure gambling unrelated to what you are doing. If you raid mythic you get 385 loot with chance of 395. If you raid on raid finder difficulty you get 340 loot with chance of 395. The only way to get best loot is to be lucky or lucky and persistent.

>>15573058

>>15573091

If I had a dime for every retard like you two I've met, I'd have… shit, about a dollar by now. It's always tragic to see such shitters, unable to even get the most basic elements of proper style down, their prose reading like diarrhea in a woodchipper, proudly declaring that this dumpster fire is their "personal style". They're ironically enough worse off than people who never got into writing at all, as not only is their writing horrible, they even formed bad habits.

It is true that reading a book isn't going to turn you into a good writer alone, but for the love of god, neither is reading a good book and going "Yup, I got it now, I'm the next Tolkien." You don't even know what you're supposed to be looking for. You don't see the principles behind the decisions of why a sentence is written like it is and why it isn't written otherwise. You don't know shit because you're too lazy and arrogant to look for information.

So how does one become a good writer, you ask? Lots and lots of practice, like with any skill, but also someone knowledgeable to actually rate your work. Ideally, you'll manage to have an already accomplished author mentor you (it's not as difficult as you think - there are lots of good authors out there, even if they didn't make a bestseller yet), but having an editor go over it and highlight your mistakes is also a good way to go.

As for a good book about writing that has all the essentials in it with no bullshit, I recommend The Elements of Style by William Strunk Jr.

>>15591323

Same here, did resub for for a month with the expac, and it just felt empty.

From my 20+ player guild only two have been connected in the last month and one of the guild wow addict is there.

The rest is simply gone.

A lot of the in game friends have also had a last login of multiple months.

It's not just the player that are gone, the active content is also gone.

Blizzard DEACTIVATED ALL effects of low level tier sets. Even the weapons of the expac before are just deactivated.

For the leveling of 100-110 you just have that shinny thing in your weapon slot, with the full menu still visible but nothing to do there.

It was the only way of the expac to get new abilities and it is GONE.

So 10 Levels without any new spells.

But as you get to level 110 the azerite system awaits you, with literally nothing but a random get a proc system.

Some players complain that the old talent system was just stupid with it's +x% y talents. But this is even worse.

How the fuck did this thing appear like a good idea ?

Most of the spells that a class had during the first expacs are also GONE or just unrecognizable. The game-play has no complexity or a reward for a more complex rotation.

Almost all old instances that were labyrinths have been cut to little pieces and often made tunnels.

I miss wiping in a dungeon and spending some time finding the right path again.

The new content is more linear bullshit, and i rarely have seen a more annoying questing locked with reps.

The turd that is the mission system are also still there, and part of the rep lock.

The dailies, or now called "world quests" are just annoying or really boring.

The story is filled with self inserts and uninspired drama.

The only good things are the music, which is nice, and the better visuals but they do not run as well on older hardware.

The players are gone, the gear is locked and random, the game-play is shitty, the old content has been turned in a mess.

I regret my bucks.

bump for fuck WoW

>>15600017

Is your post supposed to be a reflection of your own skill and thus an appeal to authority?

I ask because it comes off as the sort of drivel you'd read on Reddit complete with the spacing.

>recommending The Elements of Style

Okay, now I see, this is either parody or you're still in high school.

>>15600181

>So 10 Levels without any new spells.

Many people complain that with each level your character gets weaker. Losing all the artefact traits and legendary traits for some bullshit "+500 damage on once every 10 second skill". And level scaling so it takes you longer to kill every single thing. And mobs scale with your ilvl so suboptimal/tank builds kill things a lot slower. And they could tie it to ingame events like they didwith artas in wc3. But they were probably thinking that people would love traits so much.

>Almost all old instances that were labyrinths have been cut to little pieces and often made tunnels.

Well, people like it that way.

>The story is filled with self inserts and uninspired drama.

Who could possibly be behind yet another big evil act? Oh noes! It was the evil god from the trailer of expansion!

>The only good things

I liked Bwonsadmi, it really felt like his voice actor did a great job. He has pidgin accent but its minor and not annoying. Oh god how I have these niggers with their pidgin. We wuz kangs n shiit in every second dialogue. As if they told actors "just speak like a stupid nigger"

>better visuals but they do not run as well on older hardware.

They dont run well on any hardware.

>rotations

They are mostly okay unless you have a lot of buffs on gcd. For example one buff had 5 second duration and after you use it you were locked out for half a second and every button takes around a second so you only could use like 8 skills with perfect connection.

But some changes are allright. They just forget that changing something so important will affect a lot of things so they just ignored problems. "Will fix later if we have resources".

It's not about money or effort. Blizzard ruin everything on purpose because of their satanic gnostic agenda. You can tell by all the freemason symbols in the game. Companies like this get unlimited money from the Freemason connections.

>>15603348

Blizzard hate money and innovation.

>>15600967

Or you have shaman, who's entire rotation for all of their specs is based on RNG procs which leaves you doing absolutely fuck all holding your dick in your hands 90% of the time. ofc the proc spells also are on GCD.

You also have druid, a class so bad that people don't even take them for standard dungeon runs because it's worse than not having anyone

>>15598718

Also as a side note, it's been proven time and time again it does in fact work that way on all non-raid gear, and even sometimes raid gear.

Anything that can titanforge/warforge can and will increase heart requirements on the forge if you've leveled up your heart from the time you got the base piece.

>>15572673

>he's a cuck in real life also

Imagine my shock

Anyone know the Legion Archaeology weekly?

>>15544245

alliance is to busy cleaning up the horde's shit every time.

>>15557903

Anyone that doesn't use a tooltip addon to show classes, level, health and such, such as Tiptac (which existed at 60) deserves to be killed by a fucking melee hunter in a chainmail dress.

>>15545875

Remember fighting an enhance shaman for 3 days (as a shadow) over the fucking trolls at that blood troll camp in STV (the whirlwind quest ones near the tiger). It was the most fun I had in WoW.

>>15573058

Reading will teach you the most, read anything and everything.

>>15573458

Accurate.

>>15591352

All the transmog farmers are done, Cata and talent rape killed alt-levelers (and flat out time since we all have everything at 110 at least, anyway). There's no enjoyment in leveling and in all honesty hitting 115 makes a character unplayable, since it breaks your legendaries which might be all that holds the class/spec together now with the GCD change, lack of artifacts and the fagged up talent system. There's just nothing now at all minus eRP and shiteater raiding.

>>15572673

>hiring fans

Not even once.

>>15588830

I'd throw in Night Elves too. Illidan had to have some followers among the Night Elves, given WC3's demon hunter class. And the Demon Hunter class should've been implemented directly in Burning Crusade. And then you also throw in a shitton of demons and that whole mess.

Horde should've had Ogres and Goblins join them though. Alliance should've had an elf splinter faction that chose not to abandon their homeland and dark iron dwarves.

>>15588868

That was a shit decision, and part of why people didn't like Burning Crusade onwards content. That kind of homogenized balance fucking ruined the distinctiveness of horde and alliance. The game's balancers pat themselves on the back for a job well done. The game's players groan as they see the game headed downhill.

>>15590623

>The reason it was done was to balance the factions and give horde paladins. Did you guys play in vanilla horde was always out manned by alli because it was the monster faction.

Horde typically had the better players though.