8d2989 No.15537266
As someone who is playing Ocarina of time for the first time, I don't get it. I mean I don't get why this is hailed as the greatest game ever. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying its bad or even average, its a good game. But it doesn't do anything new or innovative compared to other action adventure games of its time. And I'm not talking about graphics or sound either I'm speaking strictly from a gameplay perspective, its nothing outstanding, far from it.
Maybe I had to play it at its time of release to appreciate it? I don't know. I've played many older games that have gripped me and hooked me in much more than Ocarina of time has.
What is it about this game that makes it so universally acclaimed? Is it the story?
692964 No.15537289
How old are you and what was your first console, OP?
f6b14c No.15537298
Because most people played it when they were children.
b274ef No.15537302
>>15537266
Well you have to keep in mind, it basically did action gameplay and the open world sandbox before anyone else. This was later perfected in Devil May Cry 1 and Grand Theft Auto. While OoT was a technological marvel at the time, it's nothing special by today's standards and has aged horribly. Also 3D Zelda hasn't been good since Majora's Mask.
c7b9dd No.15537309
>>15537266
>other action adventure games of its time
Like?
>Maybe I had to play it at its time of release to appreciate it?
Well, it came out at a time when video games made the jump from 2D to actual 3D. Not couning 2,5D stuff like Doom or these optical illusion kind of shit games.
>What is it about this game that makes it so universally acclaimed? Is it the story?
All of it.
b274ef No.15537315
>>15537309
The story wasn't anything special though, Final Fantasy VII and Metal Gear Solid did it much better.
89bb27 No.15537323
>>15537302
>Also 3D Zelda hasn't been good since Majora's Mask.
HAHA
8df3a5 No.15537330
cryptographic gameplay like in LoZ doesn't age well, but can be great in their respective times.
6e0381 No.15537337
the release onto the big field after being in the little elf village was amazing for the time. it overwhelmed most people that played it. nothing else was like it… the game itself is still fun, but i dont know how fun it would be if i was playing it for the first time now.
d12723 No.15537339
>>15537266
It was hailed as amazing because it was one of the biggest 3D open world games ever (for it's time). It doesn't stand the test of time because there are now hundreds of games that did the same thing ever but better. Even from it's own series like Wind Waker or Breath Of The Wild.
c7b9dd No.15537348
>>15537315
Those are both great games, but I wouldn't compare them. Zelda is straight fantasy while FF7 is more of a cyberpunk with a bit fantasy and MGS is an espionage conspiracy kind of thing. It's comparing apples to oranges.
>>15537337
I was replaying Soul Reaver recently and I remember the graphics being mind blowing. It didn't age well like most 3D games of that time, but they're still really good games nonetheless.
219529 No.15537352
>>15537266
I don't think most people still hail it as the greatest game of all time but I'd still consider it the best 3D Zelda out of all of them, if only because it's the one that plays the closest to the 2D games
c7b9dd No.15537353
>>15537348
>I remember the graphics being mind blowing *at that time
8df3a5 No.15537358
Plus people really underrate how well Nintendo games are made. Sure they may have bugs, but they're usually really well put together in every aspect. (underpowered hardware limitations aside…)
>>15537330
b274ef No.15537364
>>15537348
My point is that OoT is nothing special by today's standards. It brought sandbox gameplay and proper sword fighting to the table. Although games like Devil May Cry, Grand Theft Auto, Okami, etc. have perfected it later on.
990a60 No.15537374
>>15537302
>Also 3D Zelda hasn't been good since Majora's Mask
Yikes
840a9f No.15537379
OP makes a fair point. It may not have aged very well but the main takeaway for most is that the game is virtually poz-free. It's a slightly above average Japanese product that stands out as a faint glimmer of hope compared to the flaming pile of sh*t commonly known as the Western video game industry which burns like a funeral pyre in memory of its host civilization.
82f6ad No.15537398
I think OoT is more entertaining and valuable than OP at the very least.
083cde No.15537401
>>15537364
You’re a dumbass if you think anything can top the dungeon design
c7b9dd No.15537415
>>15537358
>Plus people really underrate how well Nintendo games are made
Most of the best games on Nintendo consoles are 3rd party games. Even though LoZ is an exception. There's alot thought in how the gameplay should be and how to make it satisfying. For example, compare A Link to the Past to 16bit adventure games of their competition. SEGA has Beyond Oasis and NEC has Neutopia and in both of those games the sword which is supposed to be the main weapon is fucking horrible, but these came out before A Link to the Past so it's hard to tell really.
>>15537374
>yikes
>>15537391
>zoomers
Is cuckchan down again?
f6b14c No.15537445
>>15537415
>>Is cuckchan down again?
yes
b5d928 No.15537524
>>15537302
>aged horribly.
Nice meme, people just bought the hype.
0cf10c No.15537553
>>15537493
go back to cuckchan
8d2989 No.15537589
>>15537302
>>15537337
>>15537339
>>15537352
>>15537379
Okay, I can accept and appreciate the fact that OoT was very innovative at the time of its release and no doubt inspirational for other games that came after. I guess you had to play it during its heyday to really admire what it had accomplished, whereas if you play it 20 years later like I did, it just appears on the surface as another action adventure game amongst the pile of hundreds.
0fb073 No.15537592
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time is frequently lauded by critics as the greatest video game ever, yet the ways it deals with class, race, especially with regard to Jews and Muslims, gender, animal rights, and homosexuality are all deeply problematic.
The game's perspective on class issues can best be seen in its portrayal of the Kakariko carpenters and the wealthy family in the House of Skulltulla.
The relationship between the self-described “boss” of the carpenters and those he calls “my workers,” appears to be one of a guild member and apprentices or journeymen. The boss refers to himself as a master craftsman, and says the workers were hired by the royal family to improve the village. Karl Marx described this relationship as one of “oppressor and oppressed,” comparing it to that of “freeman and slave, patrician and plebeian, (and) lord and serf.”
Ocarina portrays the apprentices or journeymen as lazy and shiftless, and the boss as the only one willing to work. "Young men these days don't have any ambition," the boss says. "Do you know what I mean, kid? My workers are just running aimlessly around the village, and they're not making any progress at all" Notably, the master craftsman continues "Even my own son doesn't have a job, and he just wanders around all day!", concluding, "They're all worthless, I tell you!" As Marx aptly observed, "The bourgeoisie has torn away from the family its sentimental veil, and has reduced the family relation to a mere money relation." It is also not a coincidence that the lazy workers are depicted as effeminate, reflecting the view that homosexual men, who are stereotypically depicted as effeminate, can not contribute to society.
Some may interpret the fate of the wealthy family, who are transformed into spiderlike creatures, in the House of Skulltulla as a condemnation of an exploitive class system, but that would be a mistake.
“Folks around here tell of a fabulously rich family that once lived in one of the houses in this village,” an elderly character in Kakariko confides. “But they say that the entire family was cursed due to their greed! Who knows what might happen to those who are consumed by greed."
By focusing on the greed of individuals, the game ignores how private property incentivizes and even mandates such behavior. And with this moralizing focus comes a belief that society’s economic ills are intractable because of humanity’s flawed nature, rather than the direct result of capitalism.
The racial, ethnic, and religious traits of the “good characters” and the “bad characters” within the game also demonstrate a certain xenophobia. All of the good characters, such as the Hylians and Kokiri, are white. It should not be ignored that the Hylians, unlike the other races of Hyrule, originally lived among the clouds before descending to the land inhabited by "lesser" races which they settled and conquered, reflecting the view of Heinrich Himmler that "the Nordic race did not evolve, but came directly down from heaven to settle on the Atlantic continent (The Activities of Dr. Ernst Schaefer pg. 4.)." While some non-humans, such as the Gorons and Zora, are depicted positively, they are all shown to be blindly loyal to the Hyrule Royal Family, whose members and advisers are all white Hylians, suggesting a racial hierarchy such as was found in Apartheid South Africa or British India. Notably, the game also places a distinctly reactionary emphasis on ancestry; the very existence of the royal family is an obvious example, but there are subtler examples, such as the off-hand comment that Darmani is a descendent of a legendary Goron hero who defeated Volvalgia using the Megaton Hammer, which, while having no direct plot relevance, suggests that Darmani holds his position by virtue of his birth. The Gorons, incidentally, with their exaggerated facial features, their ‘brudda‘ jive talk, and street dance moves exhibited by Darunia, are clearly intended to be racial caricatures of African Americans, who were often portrayed in "black face" by white actors in minstrel shows in the 19th and early 20th centuries.
In sharp contrast to the whiteness of the Hylians and Kokiri, all of the bad characters, such as the thieving Gerudo and their king, Ganondorf, have brown skin. The Gerudo live in the desert, have pointed noses, and are depicted as parasites, being unable to create anything of their own and relying on thievery to sustain themselves, making themselves a Jewish caricature suspiciously like that of a Nazi propaganda film, but are also a negative representation of Muslims, as is clearly seen by the fact that the original Gerudo symbol is strongly reminiscent of the Islamic star and crescent. While women have a larger role in Gerudo society than in Islamic societies under Sharia law, this is likely intended to mock Muslims, and they are still ruled by a patriarchal figure.
0fb073 No.15537599
The title's perspective on sex is arguably summarized in an advertisement for Ocarina, which asks, "Willst thou get the girl? Or play like one?" The game utilizes a damsel-in-distress trope that suggests women are weak and in need of male protection. Just like in every other game in the series, Princess Zelda is incapacitated and in need of rescue from the central character, Link. The repeated use of this sexist cliché helps to, as Sarkeesian says, "normalize extremely toxic, patronizing, and paternalistic attitudes."
For a portion of the game's plot, Zelda is represented as an imposing warrior. But, as Sarkeesian points out, she is only able to achieve by disguising herself as a man to fulfill the male fantasy, and she's kidnapped within minutes of revealing her true identity. While Gerudo women are also depicted as foreboding warriors, this is only to fulfill the fantasy of female domination common among male incels while maintaining ultimate control, which is clearly seen when Link becomes the first male in history to become an honorary Gerudo.
Sure, Link is also at times injured or captured. At one point, for instance, he's locked in a Gerudo jail cell. But, as Sarkeesian says, Link, and male protagonists in general, usually get themselves out of the situation, and that ability to overcome obstacles is integral to their development as heroic characters, a trait distinctly lacking in the title's female character.
Link also rescues other female characters who arguably fall into damsel trope, such as Saria, a friend from his Kokiri childhood, and Ruto, princess of the aquatic Zoras.
The game’s representation of animals is best displayed in the idyllic Lon Lon Ranch, a small farm operated by a human father-daughter duo. Entering the location, “Epona’s Song,” a tranquil and nostalgic piece by composer Koji Kondo, plays in the background. The wistful choice in music isn’t surprising, given widespread yearning by industrialized human populations for a recently abandoned, romanticized pastoralism.
From the perspective of domesticated animals, agriculture of the past was a gentler prospect than the modern, factory-farm system. But for non-humans the pre-industrial farm, as symbolized by Lon Lon Ranch, was still a place of exploitation and violence, where their lives, in general, would be significantly shorter and more circumscribed than those of their nearest, wild cousins.
But in the game, domestication is portrayed as a mutually beneficial, voluntary arrangement. The anthropomorphized cows of Hyrule speak to Link, literally saying, "Have some of my refreshing and nutritious milk!" Of course depicting a relationship as anything like symbiotic when one party kills and eats the other, as well as the latter’s children, would be laughable if it weren’t so appalling.
b274ef No.15537625
3a9677 No.15537640
>>15537625
disinfo used to discredit legitimate questions about jewish influence
b1ded5 No.15537643
>>15537589
If you want to gain a similar appreciation today try playing any 3D action game before z-targeting/lock on became the standard. It sounds like a simple and obvious thing to implement, but it really wasn't until OoT. Same deal with Mario 64. Their main accomplishment is doing their genre in 3D and not completely shitting the bed like everyone who tried it before.
b3aac4 No.15537658
>zoomer plays old game and doesn't like it
yikes. more news at 11.
89813d No.15537890
>>15537339
>wind waker
>better
shit taste
e1e6a6 No.15538158
>>15537415
>Is cuckchan down again?
You only just noticed? Some kike lawyer forced their gook to temporairly shut everything down so now every board is 99% cancer instead of the usual 90.
6416ec No.15538989
All you stupid fat poor niggers in this thread bashing this glorious GLORIOUS game, I bet you've never caught a Hylian Loach, have you?
87dbbc No.15539008
>>15537266
it was one of the first 3D adventure RPGs with an open world that had reached not only a certain level of graphical fidelity, but also a certain level of audio fidelity; it had an enjoyable atmosphere, and that was probably a big part of it
89813d No.15539017
5cc206 No.15539059
>>15537302
>it basically did action gameplay and the open world sandbox before anyone else.
This is your brain on Nintensoy.
c8e366 No.15539119
Definitely not my favorite Zelda in the slightest, in fact I didn't really play it much when I was younger, but after I replayed it finally to completion recently I have a far deeper appreciation of the game's entire atmosphere and it's narrative. It does the "Darker Zelda" far better then Twilight Princess could dream of and at the time it's story was much better then I remembered (though it's pretty much a retelling of ALttP but 3D)
2578db No.15539122
>>15537266
The game introduced a ton of breakthrough features, any of which by themself were highly influential, but all of which tightly synergized with each other for OoT's design, especially given the single stick and six face buttons the N64 had:
>Z-targeting, with the ability to toggle through targets with a quick release-tap
>The separate but similar function of tapping Z to recenter the camera
>Carefully handcrafted "rails" for the camera in every level, so that further manual camera wasn't necessary
>Automatic jumping/climbing at ledges, to eliminate the need for dedicated controls
>Context-sensitive A button
>>15537625
Salon being Salon, and also unintentionally creating one of the finest shitpost pastas ever conceived.
5cc206 No.15539134
>>15539122
>Z-targeting
>Automatic jumping/climbing at ledges, to eliminate the need for dedicated controls
In other words, it's shit.
>Context-sensitive
OoT's context sensitive shit isn't innovative in the fucking slightest.
2578db No.15539231
>>15539134
>it's shit
It was necessary to free up enough controls on the pad where stuff like the combat controls and C-button items were possible.
>isn't innovative
Point me to something older that did even half of what OoT did
f6b14c No.15539264
>>15539222
This is some high level shitposting.
5cc206 No.15539303
>>15539231
Why don't you explain why hand holding players by giving them shit like automated jumping is good.
>Point me to something older that did even half of what OoT did
Sure.
787f00 No.15539410
>>15537266
i think successful transitions from 2d to 3d are pretty amazing.
dac6c4 No.15539422
>>15537266
If you didn't play it when it first came out, of course you wouldn't understand, faggot kid.
2578db No.15539535
>>15539303
>explain why hand holding players by giving them shit like automated jumping is good.
It allows greater depth in other areas. For instance, the hops/rolls/flip/lunge on the A-button during Z-targeting and grabs/throws/activations at other times, sword strikes on the B-button, rapid toggling/use of items on the C-buttons, the control-stick gestures that modulated the other items. That would've been impossible if dedicated controls for jumping, camera, and crouching were retained from Mario 64.
>MM64L
I haven't played it, but a brief overview indicates you can't walk at all during lock-on targeting, the camera is pretty much locked to over-the-shoulder perspective, movement is basically absolute tank-controls rather than the camera-relative movement in OoT, melee combat is avoided as a consequence of the last two, and everything (levels geometry, enemy movement, etc.) tend to be quite a bit more flat than OoT. Also, due to the timing of prerelease coverage and development, it's unclear who is responsible for inventing various features between the two games.
>TES
~~Is~Was a 1st-person (no camera issues) PC (no input limits) RPG (combat mechanics are abstracted behind character stats), with much less three-dimensional level structures (little need for platformer-lite controls). Yes, on a technical level, it had massive open worlds you could ride across on your horsey, but aside from that it isn't comparable to the game design questions OoT was attacking.
2eed4d No.15539557
>>15537266
>why this is hailed as the greatest game ever
women and soft men (soy) were able to beat the game and then get memorial tattoos to get attention and have an identity to fill the void with something not vapid like an accomplishment
82f6ad No.15539571
>>15539535
>Hasn't played Mega Man Legends
Well stop being a fag at any time, then.
1aae03 No.15539579
>>15539557
>women and soft men (soy) were able to beat the game
All of those people required walkthroughs.
ad0114 No.15539603
22fb35 No.15539610
>>15539535
>I haven't played it, but ….
Literally none of the things you said after that are true.
0c6296 No.15539622
>I mean I don't get why this is hailed as the greatest game ever.
You have to understand that no one except for Nintendtoddler nostalgiafags actually say that shit. Yes it is a good game especially for its time but it's ridiculous how many Top 10s it wins. And before you get your fat trigger finger read, Jew, I'm not trying to stir up some console war garbage, just stating my opinion.
f6261d No.15539643
>>15539535
>a brief overview indicates you can't walk at all during lock-on targeting, the camera is pretty much locked to over-the-shoulder perspective, movement is basically absolute tank-controls
That's a really oversimplified description. You're right about the lock-on, but that means you should be using the L1 and R1 buttons to rotate the camera while fighting to lead targets whenever it's important to keep moving. The camera, while still behind the back, can be repositioned by holding the R2 button and using the D-pad. There are similarities to the tank controls like RE, but comparing them is pointless. You can always keep moving in every direction at full speed, regardless of where the camera or Mega Man is currently facing, and you can tweak your movement in any direction via the camera. You can even use it to affect your jump trajectory while mid-air, which makes no sense but is very useful. It's worth noting that the DualShock didn't exist during MML1's development, and MML2 took full advantage of it, with analog movement and camera controls similar to modern action games.
>melee combat is avoided as a consequence of the last two
I wouldn't say that it was a direct consequence. Mega Man had barely featured melee combat at all until Mega Man X4, which came out earlier the same year, so it's unlikely that it was a big concern for them while developing Legends. You still win this one though, since there are melee weapons in MML2, and they're mostly trash with little thought put into them, even with the major improvements that MML2 brought to the table. But getting the Z-Saber via the quiz is mandatory, and if you don't, you're a pussy.
>>15539622
>no one except for Nintendtoddler nostalgiafags actually say what was one of the most commonly held opinions for about a decade.
But that's wrong, you fucking retard.
1aae03 No.15539650
>>15539622
>>15539643
Well I'd be surprised if it didn't stay on a top 10 N64 list at the very least, unlike Paper Mario which only has to compete with Quest 64, Aidyn the Open World RPG version of Quest 64, and Hybrid Heaven the ARPG.
d45c28 No.15539742
We all know Majora's Mask is better.
3e811d No.15539769
> horse riding
> first person aiming/archery
> horseback archery
> 3D melee combat that didn't suck
> 3D friendly Z-targeting system
> context sensitive controls
> large open world
> could play a fucking musical instrument as a key gameplay mechanic
> didn't completely fuck-up the transition from 2D to 3D
OOT is the sum of its parts, and those parts, while individually not entirely revolutionary for their time, had never been put together in such a way before. And since OOT came out, it was copied so frequently and so blatantly that everything interesting or amazing about it has become standard.
> Why is this game that is completely standard considered so amazing?
Because it set that fucking standard.
And OOT did it without taking two steps back, the way Halo set the new FPS-on-console standard, for example.
7c860f No.15539789
>>15537266
It was one of the first fully 3d adventure games. Going from 2d to 3d was fucking mind blowing back in the day. So much so that it permanently ingrained itself into the minds of anons that played it when it came out.
>Is it the story?
Yes, to an extend. The story is really good especially when you look into it a bit more. Link is a crusader that's fighting off muhammad- I mean ganon and his followers from taking over christian europe. but also it's that a lot of japanese memes hadn't made their way to the US yet, so things like tsundere Ruto, loli Saria and the like were seen as mind blowing trope setters.
It's also the environments. There's something that's just SO fucking comfy about lake hyrule that to this day sometimes I'll play OoT and just go there and chill out as the sun sets.
7c860f No.15539807
>>15539622
>Yes it is a good game especially for its time but it's ridiculous how many Top 10s it wins.
Also, despite what I said. This. OoT is a FANTASTIC game, but it's still overhyped.
0c6296 No.15539888
>>15539855
I still can't believe how big Fortnite got, I played the open Beta with a friend of mine and we both found that it was absolutely terrible and would be forgotten just like all the other PUBG clones. Turns out for some reason it didn't.
a8d2f8 No.15539896
>>15539888 (Heil'd)
I've never actually played it. Never played pubg either.
8cbabe No.15539945
>>15539789
Remember insulting the muzloid faith in the most egregious fashion possible to advance through the game? I do. Shit was awesome.
07af17 No.15540011
>>15537266
Yeah I think it's something that you would have played at release to really appreciate. For starters you have the huge hype that Nintendo Power put out with its early screen shots of the game that really had nothing to do with the final build, and other than that what did you really have other than it at the time? Now I don't mean at the exact same release time frame because not everyone got it at release day after all. But lets take a look at the early playstation games for example. What would you compare it to? Croc, Mega Man Legends, Brave Fencer Musahi? All of these are great games, but none of them had the same scope that Ocarina of Time had. Over all Zelda stood out as a pretty good game in a series that had had several great games prior. Do I think it was the best Zelda game? No. But at the time it felt like the game had so many possibilities and things that you could do, that it really was the best game ever at the time. It was only upon retrospective viewing that the flaws and negative aspects really just out, much like any great game of the era.
>>15537302
Not true at all, wind waker was pretty fun also.
As far as action adventure games go, 3d wise yeah, I can agree that it was the first one that did it well or at least got mainstream appeal, and Majoras Mask was probably the best of the 3d Zelda games.
fcb095 No.15540049
This entire post is off topic so I wanted to say up front that I agree with most people in this thread that OoT seems unremarkable today because set a lot of standards that people take for granted, but I also understand the youngfags because there are older "revolutionary" games that I don't understand the appeal of. Ironically ALttP is one of them for me, I never thought it was anything special after playing the game boy and GBC Zelda games. Also not vidya but I have never liked Star Wars and feel vindicated now that it has been pozzed up.
>>15539855
This makes me want to die but let's be fair, there will always be naive kids doing autistic stuff, you frickin' fricks.
>>15539888
>>15539896
PUBG was an ok game made by a shitty dev that didn't deserve the success. It is the better game of the two, marred by Bluehole's technical incompetence, jewishness, and subservience to the chinese. I uninstalled when I realized what the anticheat system was doing. I don't regret spending 30 dollarydoos on it, I got enough fun out of it. I do regret giving Gookhole my $30.
Fortnite is fucking trash. I do not understand the appeal of a game where encounters boil down to making retard towers in the sky. You see "high level play" of people climbing into the sky spamming fortifications and it's the dumbest shit ever.
I've heard people claim that Realm Royale is the best take on the battle royale genre Paladins was better than Overwatch btw but I don't care enough anymore to verify that. The criticisms of the addictive psychology behind battle royale are valid and I don't want to play games like that anymore.
0c6296 No.15540062
>>15540049
I tried Realm Royale some time ago when it still had classes and it was pretty fun. No idea how it's now.
1892d6 No.15540114
Daily reminder Egoraptor's Sequalitis is the definitive Zelda Ocarina of Tine analysis and (((Soytendo))) fags are eternally BTFO
0c6296 No.15540142
>>15540114
Is Egoraptor the guy that uploaded that horrible playthrough of him failing at a children's game?
8cbabe No.15540146
>>15540142
Try watching his Majora's Mask play through.
fb5a74 No.15540320
>>15537589
>it just appears on the surface as another action adventure game amongst the pile of hundreds.
Because it's been close to 20 years of people having build action adventure games in part, on the back of the OoT design.
3a9677 No.15540342
>>15540114
>Egoraptor
go back to cuckchan. this faggot sucks and has always sucked. the only noteworthy thing he ever did was make mediocre animated shorts
4b928b No.15540360
>>15540114
Since we're going bottom of the barrel e-celeb trash, daily reminder the argument was better and more fairly deconstructed in a Brentalfloss song.
090f78 No.15540491
From a guy who bought this game the first day:
-Poor, unoriginal story, way below the jrpg average. All the characters have simplistic personalities. Cinematic scenes are very static. Text advances too slowly.
-Very poor framerate.
-The central map is a desert.
-Main characters look good, but minor characters are absolutely hideous.
-Not really innovative. Games like Goemon 64 or Tomb Raider already did it. Tomb Raider already had auto-aiming.
-Average, functional midi music.
-Battles are just OK. Very good bosses, though.
An aged game? Not really, I noticed its flaws the first time I played it. It’s still a good game, but not one I would put in my TOP 100. It’s a product of less cucked times, tough. In that sense, the game has IMPROVED over time.
42bd8d No.15540524
The only Zelda I had a desire to finish was Oracle of Seasons/Ages, not sure why but all the other zeldas seem kind of pointless and uninteresting.
I get half-way through them and I feel like I got all I need from them, the story is irrelevant and the puzzles and dungeons become repetitive.
If an RPG has no story it better have amazing mechanics and most zelda games I played are lacking. Am I missing something?
a449fb No.15541607
Only two things stand out to me which left a lasting impression about OoT. Standing outside in the alley to the Temple of Time. Something about the scenery and sound of birds with the temple in the background was peaceful. I sort of like Zelda's Adventure for the same reasons.
The other thing I remember is the chanting in the fire temple. I get now that it was an islamic call to prayer which sort of sours the memory. It was still cool to hear the chanting as a kid, as it actually seemed like a proper temple. Glad to say I still have one of the older carts that still had the blood and chanting before they were cut for PC bullshit.
4ecb6e No.15541631
>>15537302
>inspired GTA
you shut your filthy whore mouth you cock sucking faggot
114dc9 No.15541660
It was the first game I played that really made me feel like I was visiting another world. Granted, I hadn't played an RPG by that point besides Pokemon, but the way NPCs changed and reacted to story events/the world changing around them was mindblowing for me at the time. Hyrule Field felt massive as well, and it's probably the best Zelda game at capturing the sense that there could be secrets around any given corner. It wasn't too hand-holdy and gave you room to try things out and explore. Not to mention the attention to detail is incredible, to the point where I still discover new things about it almost every playthrough. For example, I didn't know that the Hover Boots prevent you from sinking in quicksand until just a few years ago, and I played the game in 2000. It's easily my favorite game ever made, but I can see how someone playing it for the first time after playing the games it inspired/influenced might find it generic.
6ac1c5 No.15541758
>>15541631
>imagine being so soypilled that you think OOT inspired GTA……..
GTA3 was a natural extension of GTA2's sandbox gameplay.
4ecb6e No.15541884
>>15541758
dma design made 3d games before gta3 moron
c6ca88 No.15541897
>>15541884
Hey homo why so mad? Did pappy forgot to use lube?
2fa9e0 No.15542069
>>15541631
>GTAIII wasn't inspired by OoT
Dan Houser straight up said anyone who made 3D games and said they weren't influenced by SM64 and OoT were lying.
89c7bb No.15542183
>>15542069
>Dan Houser straight up said anyone who made 3D games and said they weren't influenced by SM64 and OoT were lying.
Proofs or false. All I could find on that topic was this interview he did with GameSpot.
http://archive.is/0ajeI
4ecb6e No.15542360
>>15542183
DMA/rockstar was building 3d games for nintendo with shooting and driving at the same time zelda came out
542815 No.15542449
>>15537266
I remember this bait thread, who revived it and why people are just feeding it?
976db5 No.15542471
>>15537266
>infierior 3d Lttp
It's because it's Kiddo's first Zeldo.
7a0c3e No.15542526
There is no game that triggers me when I read youngsters talk about it harder than OOT. It's not my favorite game of all time, game for the N64, or Zelda game in general, but it's infuriating how unable to process context these fucking shitkids are. I guess Goldeneye is up there too, but that at least has a poor control scheme (compared to modern ones).
fe5b64 No.15542537
>>15537266
>I don't get it.
How old are you OP?
>greatest game ever.
It's still entertaining even two decades, and re-invented the series, the same way Final Fantasy VII or Metal Gear Solid did, as well as was very very innovative at the time.
>I've played many older games that have gripped me and hooked me
You have to play Ocarina of Time past the first dungeon mate, I know it takes awhile to get your sword and shield and even get to The Great Deku Tree, but the game opens up greatly after that.
>What is it about this game that makes it so universally acclaimed?
Innovative game mechanics, a full translation of your basic Zelda title from top down gameplay to full 3D, memorable characters, fun exploration, fun combat system still being used in current 3D Zelda games. It's like asking why was GTAIII so highly acclaimed, when there had been nothing quite like it before.
fe5b64 No.15542543
>>15542537
*even after two decades
ad7e2c No.15542563
>>15539622
>And before you get your fat trigger finger read, Jew,
Hello drunken leprechaun
4bb94a No.15542677
>>15539122
>Controller functions
>D-Pad and L Button do nothing
You know, even just the D-pad alone would have been useful for having more "use item" inputs alongside the 3 C-buttons. Or even quick clothing equipment changing for quick switching of normal boots to iron boots (fixed in OoT 3D).
7a0c3e No.15542909
>>15540114
Reminder that the only reason anyone liked Egoraptor in the first place was because he was a subpar flash animator in a time where everyone else who did flash animation was terrible. For all his talking about game design, he knows nothing about it and does not have a single game to his name.
74f56c No.15542945
>>15537266
>But it doesn't do anything new or innovative compared to other action adventure games of its time.
I bet that "of its time" mean 5 years after for you. You have to consider that things moved way more quickly back then, you had a hit every year and every game battled to get attention and be the first to do this or that, look at all the games and the difference that came out from 1994 to 1997. Now you get a good game every 4 years and an innovation every 5 years.
4ecb6e No.15542964
>>15542909
his point on waiting as opposed to an actual timed or rhythmic event is valid, most games fail to make this distinction
e2dd25 No.15542979
>>15542896
What, is he on a constant IV of soylent at this point?
12b30a No.15543023
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ocarina of time was so large, it had cut content that spanned 2 whole future games and 1 expansion pack which was majora's mask, because they literally didn't have the technology at the time to implement it.
Ocarina of time was not a finished game.
12b30a No.15543047
>>15537339
wind waker and breath of the wild are cut content from ocarina of time that were implanted into their own games.
f68fea No.15543056
>>15543047
WW should have stayed cut.
af9a31 No.15543068
>>15537266
It's a really good game but also extremely overrated. Normalfags love it because it's not particularly hard and it's easy "gamer cred" to say that OoT is the best game ever made.
11590f No.15543086
>>15542896
That's what happens when you marry an ayylmao that you let put make-up on you. What a loser he became.
5cc206 No.15546214
>>15542896
To think people thought this nigger was funny.
28d0b5 No.15546253
>>15546214
Never found what was so funny about gamegrumps but /v/ (the migrated one) liked it.
3ad82a No.15546263
>>15546253
jontron was the funny one, not egoraptor
0fc676 No.15546276
I played it for the first time last year and loved it, apart from Water Temple.
ae3556 No.15546304
>>15546263
Pretty much but it was also the fact that they weren't doing the videos for money or fame at the time, they were just two friends playing games.
2578db No.15547036
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>>15546253
>all the up and coming animators on newgrounds
>all the in-depth analysis videos
>all of those people discovered they could rake in easy views just by talking over footage of incompetently played vidya
>all of their actual oc that could've been will forever remain unmade, their personal potential unexplored
Why didn' t more of them resist the siren song of lazy adbux like OtaKing?
7923d7 No.15547039
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>>15547036
I feel bad for OtaKing, sjws and feminists killed two things he loved and inspired him to make amazing animations. (Star Wars and Dr.Who)
74ad6f No.15547058
>>15547039
>feminists killed two things he loved
Is it weird I'm a little giddy about watching the final death of the doctor who franchise in three days?
2156f1 No.15547595
>>15537266
OoT is shit. Majora's Mask is alright though.
412194 No.15547622
Almost all of the innovation and high scores for this generation of games came about because nobody knew how to design controls for 3D games yet and Nintendo wasn't retarded so they managed to figure out a lot of it. Using the C-buttons to have actual control of the camera in Mario 64 was not done by just about any other game, mostly because nobody making PS1 games gave even the slightest shit about the analog controller so they were forced to use either fixed camera, automatic camera, or painful shoulder button rotation due to lack of control surfaces. Z-targeting was perhaps around before OoT, but I'm not well versed enough on PS1 or Saturn games to know what might have had it.
>>15537415
>Most of the best games on Nintendo consoles are 3rd party games.
Are we still talking about the N64? That console whose only good third party games were Rare games?
daf193 No.15547637
nostalgia
its a really really good game
with flaws
easily 9.5/10
one of the better games
is it the best tho ?
no
same with ff7
i really like both games
but theres better
6e6db0 No.15547847
>>15539888
It's just a fad. It will be forgotten, but it became the flavor of the month shitty cash grab.
2578db No.15547860
>>15542677
Doesn't L do something to the mini-map?
60c88f No.15547952
>>15542896
>before people said "that's gross"
6907b0 No.15548051
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>don't like ocarina compared to its successors (especially Majora)
>Arin's video on OoT is complete nonsense about how he can't cleverly use items in combat
>tries to insist that "the fanbase for OoT" hates him because he said "it has flaws but people still think it's 10/10"
>he uses the Hylian Shield whenever he's a child because "I bought it, so it's better," the mindset I had as a child
>not that it matters because he never USES HIS FUCKING SHIELD
>Arin says his favorite 3D Zelda is "probably Majora" when it has the exact same engine and combat system, which are where his gripes with OoT lie
>LITERALLY GAVE UP ON PLAYING MAJORA BECAUSE HE COULDN'T BEAT GOMEZ IN STONE TOWER TEMPLE
>>15542896
I think it's funny how Arin in the first clip claims to have "grown up," when he was willing to listen and believe to whatever his wife shilled him on.
Not that I was a particularly big fan of egoraptor when he made his channel for getting paid for video games and buying a convertible comedy whilst playing video games.
There will never be another Goof Troop because Arin can't put his foot down and give Danny a controller, nor can he go back to alternating between the funny man and straight man - he's "mellowed out" now.
Also, notice how he's Arin now, but was egoraptor then? Maybe it's just the effect of getting friendly with a co-host who calls you by your first name, but it seems rarer to call him by his internet persona because no one can identify him now with what made him initially famous.
>>15547952
What's the matter go- I mean guy? Don't you know that it's in poor taste to have or like characters with big cleavage? It's "creepy!"
[spoiler]Never mind the fact that it's also used as a comedic foil in this game with countless references to Shinto
Which maybe isn't the best mythos to say "isn't comedic" when it has things like Susano-o shitting in Amaterasu's temple[/spoiler]
6907b0 No.15548056
>>15548051
Goddammit, [spoiler] only works on a single line? I thought the difference between it an ** was that it carried over newlines.
850f13 No.15548074
>playing 90's game in 2018
>expecting the greatest game ever
I dont get why these old ass cars from the 70s have a cult following either anon, but i am sure people that had them or saw them before they were nothing but an aesthetic item or a collectible had a feeling for them, all i can say is that i am a complete newfag to car collecting as you are to videogames
bdd964 No.15548076
08ff4c No.15548080
What's that about OoT not having aged very well? Sure, graphics and controls are dated by today's standard, but overall, I think you can plug the game in and play it just as well as back in '97.
fc2b79 No.15548095
>>15548074
>playing new games in 2018
>all new games are 80 dollars
>Abyssmal file sizes
>Full of microtransactions
>Don't even get the full game have to buy dlc
>To get the full version of the game you have to buy X edition for 100 gazillion dollars
>most popular game is shitty minecraft hunger games clone full of micro transactions
fucking zoomers
bdd964 No.15548101
>>15548092
Why did you sage?
850f13 No.15548137
>>15548095
all new games are 80 dollars
>Abyssmal file sizes
>Full of microtransactions
Don't buy AAA like Ubishit and EA you retarded mongol
435d63 No.15548191
>>15548095
>80
what you say
60c88f No.15548224
>>15548074
>>15548092
>>15548137
>shit taste
>loli
The only thing missing is the TOR id.
dac6c4 No.15548232
>>15547637
Name them. What games are better?
12b30a No.15550408
>>15539222
man you need to get off the internet holy shit.
c31cad No.15550418
d3becf No.15550427
>I mean I don't get why this is hailed as the greatest game ever. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying its bad or even average, its a good game. But it doesn't do anything new or innovative compared to other action adventure games of its time. And I'm not talking about graphics or sound either I'm speaking strictly from a gameplay perspective, its nothing outstanding, far from it.
It's one of the first mainstream games to ever implement conventions like the lock-on for general 3D combat, first person perspectives for shooting projectiles, and general open-world design. By today's standards, it's nothing special. By 1998 standards, it was cutting edge.
dac6c4 No.15552080
>>15550427
It hardly has any open world to speak of. The crux of the game is the dungeons, and they're a blast. And fag, that's the crux of every Zelda game, besides Skyrim of the Wild.
32d864 No.15552090
>>15539222
>the absolute state of /pol/tards
471b41 No.15552488
80449d No.15552548
6b49cc No.15552566
>>15537266
You have to take the time it was release into context, you idiot. This for most games considered classics.
802ab8 No.15552574
>>15552488
>t-take my picture made in MS paint seriously!.
8f7ff8 No.15552710
Games like Ocarina of Time have this thing that's sort of hard to define. I like to call it "soul".
Everything about the game is intentional. Every dungeon is unique. Every character is unique.Every area is unique. The game was made with love. I don't know how to articulate it any better than that.
Laugh at me if you want, this is the truth as I see it. So many video games these days are soulless business endeavors, and nothing more. This is why I think indie games are currently more likely to be worthwhile than big AAA games. They're generally less expensive and are often passion projects of the developers. They're doing it partially because they want money, but also largely out of love.
As shitty as Nintendo's business decisions are, I think they still know how to put love and soul into their games. Breath of the Wild had glimmers of it. Splatoon was oozing it. Mario Odyssey has that shit going on too.
976db5 No.15553135
>>15550408
<pee pee la poo poo posting
<2016++
>>>/facebook/
4bb94a No.15554090
>>15548051
>he uses the Hylian Shield whenever he's a child because "I bought it, so it's better," the mindset I had as a child
From what I remember the only real good time to use that shield was for Death Mountain area and it's dungeon (where fire enemies could burn the Deku shield). After that I think the electric jellyfish in Jabu-Jabu made the metal Hyrule shield (and the ability to turtle to protect yourself because of the slowly moving floor in some areas) useless.
>>15542896
>>15548051
>I think it's funny how Arin in the first clip claims to have "grown up,"
He's confusing growing up physically because he certainly hasn't grown up mentality or his video game skills are regressing.
>>15552710
There is definitely something to it, could also be a case of working in a new medium (3D worlds and levels) and just going crazy with experimentation and designs. While sequels may have less soul because they went all out with their first game and it's made of the leftovers/rejected content and some new ideas.
Whenever I see that photo it looks like something out of a Pikmin game.
172df5 No.15554394
>>15554090
> Young Link with the Hylian Shield
On the subject, it annoyed me for the longest time that Link didn't have a proper Hylian Shield in Majora's Mask, but instead had some new weird texture design on the back.
Only recently did it occur to me that this was because Young Link in MM couldn't use a proper Hylian Shield because he was still too small, so the princess, or someone anyway but I like to think it was Zelda, had a special shield commissioned for him to fit his frame, which is why it's like a Hylian Shield but not a proper one.
000000 No.15554443
>>15537266
You are fucking retarded if you can't grasp why OOT was a big deal in 1998, or relate to its lasting appeal.
4ba4a8 No.15554811
>>15537266
It's not the greatest game of all time. Between the timing of the game's release, the unique take on the original Zelda formula, the advent of previously unused 3D graphics, and an interesting story made Ocarina of Time unforgettable as many peoples' first experience with the series. It's the same as Final Fantasy 7 and how the timing of its release, the intense marketing campaign, the jump from a 2D console into a new 3D console, and the mystique of the "7" made FF7 absolutely unforgettable when it was… not really a 10/10 game.
Ocarina of Time's a good game, but the controls are wonky, Navi is possibly one of the worst supporting characters in history, it's far too fucking linear. The day/night cycle was great, but not truly taken advantage of until Majora's Mask. The combat was pretty good, too.
Anyone that says this game is 11/10 best game ever needs their head checked. It's a 9/10 at the most, and I'd personally give it an 8.5. Fight me.
ecc6a8 No.15555377
>>15537302
>it's nothing special by today's standards and has aged horribly
Nah, it's aged all right, personally I think it's still quite playable as long as you don't mind the graphics. This is coming from someone who played through Majora's Mask for the first time and completed it a few weeks ago.
4bb94a No.15555420
>>15554811
>it's far too fucking linear.
You can break linearity in OoT, dungeons don't need to be completed in the proper order and sometimes just need the right item to proceed to the next area where a dungeon is located. And this is without using glitches.
>Getting the bomb bag allows child Link to blow up the rocks leading to Zora's Domain, so you could complete Jabu-Jabu before Dodongos Cavern
>Once you get the bow from the Forest Temple (don't need to complete it first), you can basically go to any other adult dungeon
e06dff No.15555566
>>15555420
You could complete Jabu-jabu, but since you get the bombs in the room right before you access the boss, why on earth would you?
5f28e8 No.15555948
>>15552080
>>15554811
Go play Aidyn Chronicles if you wanna see open worlds in the mid-late 90's so much.
2cb612 No.15555995
>>15537266
> And I'm not talking about graphics or sound either I'm speaking strictly from a gameplay perspective
>hey guys why is this painting super famous? I'm only looking at a black and white image of it, and only looking at a 1"x1" square far in the corner though
You earned your (You) today.
2cb612 No.15556010
>>15537364
>not realizing the significance of Epona mechanically
>The time travel
Really?
77023e No.15556023
>>15540011
I can see why people tend to dislike wind waker, the world was rather empty, and the cell shading was unpopular with oot players. I'm glad I didn't play twilight princess however, I convinced my girlfriend to play it and nothing improved from the previous games except probably the double hookshot puzzles.
>>15540491
Probably 99% of n64 music had sequenced sound with a custom or licensed soundbank, and most of the generation had framerate issues. Zelda was one of the few with a fairly consistent framerate.
>>15554394
You ain't in hyrule anymore kid.
sage because too much of the thread is about e-celebs or tired bait.
5cc206 No.15556067
>>15552090
>/pol/tards
The absolute state of goons >>>/somethingawful/
e09679 No.15556333
>>15555948
I honestly wish that game was remade, because while it is a buggy pile of shit, it feels like it has a solid foundation at it's base that could be rebuilt from the ground up to make it actually playable and not shit.
24a59c No.15557264
>>15537266
Yea I played it for the first time and I couldn't stand running through that fucking field every time
3e2365 No.15557305
>>15539222
(checked)
with every infographic i ever see, im always struck with the cold realization that someone actually did this. like, they organized all this information, found graphics/pics to support it, then took the time to put it all together and put it out there.
this is beyond poes law tbh
69255d No.15558872
>>15542896
For a guy that claims he has "grown up", he's really getting buttblasted over dumb bullshit like bouncing breasts in a video game and offensive words. It's like these soy-swilling faggots don't realize that most normal men talk about breasts once in a while and use words like "nigger" or "faggot" and then go on with their lives because it was an unimportant conversation most likely for shits and giggles. Like those behaviors of calling feminine sex organs "icky and gross" and getting triggered by offensive words is more indicative of being a child, because that's exactly what children do.
69255d No.15558877
>>15543047
>Breath of the Wild
>Cut from Ocarina of Time
Don't you mean Majora's Mask?
5f28e8 No.15558909
>>15556333
The secret to victory is debufs when a stat reaches zero the target dies automatically like zombies with their low intelligence stat and don't skimp on the healing when it's first offered to your main character he's the only one who can use it at that time. Which is quite a while.
But man those models are so ugly the MC is basically a pug with the most ridiculous mullet you've ever seen.
ae3556 No.15559047
>>15555306
>likening them to a dog is the worst insult to them
I've found that you can usually tell if a culture is fucked up by the way they treat dogs.
8c4c25 No.15566116
>>15552090
>leftist butthurt he lost the supreme court battle
fe81e8 No.15566153
It had Z-Targeting, which was really good. Thank Koizumi for doing that, it's not the only good thing he did for the Zelda franchise either. Unfortunately OoT is a sequel to Link to the Past, which automatically means it's shit because LttP is the Zelda game that ruined the fucking franchise. If I see any of you faggots complain about Skyward Sword, I just want you to know you asked for this hand-holding, causal, story driven, theme park dungeon design mess. Not that I'm that much better, I liked the first Zelda and that got me Breath of the Wild. At least the engine and mechanics were very nice in that game, shame about, you know, the game part.
8c4c25 No.15582740
>>15572119
Doom is the best game of all time though.
75407f No.15585032
>>15537266
Fuck off underage.
c8e366 No.15589762
>>15585095
wonder what the children would look like?
a66cc6 No.15589802
>>15582740
Thats a strange way to spell Tetris
332d1f No.15589807
>>15537266
>greatest game ever
That's not Planescape Torment
OOT however was a real game changer for it's time and set the standard for all open world titles to come. The story is sweet and the world design is charming. Even today it's a great game. Any attempts to make the graphics better are cancer and should be ignored (too much of the old charm is lost in translation), so make sure you play the original version.
e578a0 No.15591152
>>15537266
Because of Pic Related
c28b77 No.15592223
>>15591152
horrible image.
kys.
8c4c25 No.15594805
>>15589807
Planescape Torment is a book not a game.
789a32 No.15594820
>>15591152
The 3DS remake looks awful.
41d06e No.15594874
96279a No.15595043
>>15537323
Name a single good Zelda game after Majora's. Yoy can't do it.
c8e366 No.15597466
>>15594820
I really hate the run animation. Something about it looks really off.
03fb34 No.15605420
>>15537266
Come back when you turn 18 kiddo.
a8ce61 No.15605856
>>15537266
>Don't get me wrong I'm not saying its bad or even average, its a good game.
Way to contradict yourself, bub. You're not the first contrarian critic who can't bring themselves to outright hate the greatest game of all time. That's how much of masterpiece this game truly is.
c22fd6 No.15605955
>>15537266
Here's a piece of advice: There is not "greatest game ever"
even if there is a greatest game ever it will never live up to the hype of "greatest game ever"
9dfc2b No.15612332
>>15585095
Fish don't reproduce that way though.
69f234 No.15620405
>>15537298
Or manchildren.
69f234 No.15620412
>>15582740
Quake is better.
41e0f1 No.15626548
7f6cb1 No.15632117
>>15591152
Back to reddit.
976db5 No.15632135
>>15557305
>poes law
that's because the anon who made it wasn't being ironic.
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249bcc No.15632230
>>15537266
YOU SHOULD FUCK A HORSE RIGHT NOW
625279 No.15632255
>>15632230
Can I imagine it between Young Link and Epona (male)?