/v/ - Video Games

nobody cares about literal nobodies mate

>>15537248

I don't think they're nobodies if they're giving a GDC talk.

>>15537268

the fact that they are giving a GDC talk makes them nobodies or hasbeens

>>15537279

nah, they are just some barbie execs talking about barbie games in the 90's.

>inb4 barbie is nothing

>>15537268

It seems you don't think at all.

>>15537284

>they are just some barbie execs talking about barbie games in the 90's.

So we agree. Nice talking to you anon

>>15537287

I think is a very interesting talk, I always wanted to see the relationship between girls and games.

>If anyone wanna see female devs, pls watch this.

I firmly believe that we need 0 females in game development.

>>15537204

>that made games for girls

Women once again prove they are worthless subhumans.

>>15537326

Your post went through twice already.

>>15537322

In the lecture they talk that nobody in the industry gave them a chance to make games for girls.

>>15537332

>nobody in the industry gave them a chance to make games for girls

No shit. Back then people actually wanted to make money on games.

>>15537326

I know. I just keep on fucking up with typing today. Mea culpa

Still though, of all things to use an Invidious link this out to be it.

>>15537333

barbie fashion designer sold as much as normal games for girls.

candy crush makes like one billion dollars per day today.

>>15537332

>for girls

And that's the thing, any girl that cared about playing games just played them. That most don't just highlights that their brains work differently and aren't as interested in solo activities instead of being social.

>>15537356

I think is more because pretty much most devs in the industry are males that they don't know how to make games for girls.

We need to hire female designers to make games girls may like.

It's just that the industry today still don't care about making more money.

>>15537268

why are you shitposting your own thread?

>>15537284

>ladies from the game industry in the90s

>ladies

…but none of them have anime blue hair or penises. Rude.

>>15537362

No, having females enter the industry is part of what is ruining gaming as a whole.

>>15537369

I think there's more fault at making AAA garbage bigger and bigger and the jews at the companies than girls games.

>>15537375

No, letting women into any sort of community rots it from within. It's a well documented phenomenon that has ruined countless hobbies and mediums.

>>15537375

They aren't making girl games. They are infesting games in general. If they just stuck to games marketed toward girls that would be an entirely different thing. Instead of shitting up games that would never appeal to girls in significant numbers which results in a game that doesn't appeal to either sex.

>>15537384

>>15537381

I think is more the fault of the industry trying to need to sell billions of games rather than making small niche games.

Hardcore games are not enough to be profitable for those AAA masterpieces (shit), so they need the casual market money.

Rather than making smaller games with maybe ps2 graphics, they need to make movie games that appeal to casuals.

why did you post this in agdg, and then go on to feel the need to make an entire thread about it.

i skimmed the video. they're not obnoxious, but they don't say anything that anyone on this website would particularly care about.

>>15537395

There is plenty of blame to go around, but I am so sick of feminism that I just don't give a shit. I cringe anytime I hear about a female supposedly doing anything of note in gaming from any decade. Doesn't help that 9 times out of 10 all she did was come up with some ideas and didn't do any of the hard work while getting credited anyway.

>>15537395

The industry was selling a shitload of games even before they were pandering to women that don't even buy said games.

>so they need the casual market money

Do you think a substantial percentage of women plays Call of Duty or Battlefield?

>they need to make movie games that appeal to casuals

I guarantee you that even for non-games like the garbage Telltale makes the vast, vast, vast majority of players are men.

>>15537349

Merit is a sexist institution and thus must be torn down. Gray hair will be phased out in favor of rainbows, authority for feelings.

>>15537408

that's another issue, but It comes really tiresome to have to defend myself my interest into girls and games.

It's like wow, I wanna make games for girls that are good games, but no, you're a faggot SJW jew kike, kys, anita BS.

It's very tiresome to defend myself over something that shouldn't be a crime.

>>15537414

Mobile is mostly girls, the entire casual market is girls.

I think there's a very basic diference research shows, that girls and women in general don't like challenge, unlike males, or violence in general.

women are clearly very invested into creativity, socializing and self expression, and care towards others.

>>15537425

>Mobile is mostly girls

It's not, though. Go look at the games that earn the most in the mobile market and it's mostly gachashit aimed at men. Yes, there are a few outliners, but that's all they are, outliners.

>women are clearly very invested into creativity, socializing and self expression, and care towards others.

And by that you mean they're attention whores that only pretend to like games to be a big fish in a small pond.

>>15537303

I firmly believe you are a virgin.

>>15537435

I'm trying to say that is another kind of game design oportunities for new games we haven't even designed yet.

I was toying with the idea about a WWI game about being a nurse where you don't shoot enemies but try to rescue wounded soldiers.

I think such games would be cool if we stopped thinking all games need to use violence.

>>15537446

And? All men and women should be before marriage.

To do otherwise is degenerate.

>>15537453

>I think such games would be cool if we stopped thinking all games need to use violence.

Where the fuck did you get the idea that games are only about violence from? SimCity was a juggernaut before EA ruined it, same for the Theme games, Minecraft is in second place after Tetris on numbers sold.

Gamers don't crave violence, they want a well put together, engaging game, something you can't have if you pander to cunts.

>>15537453

There are plenty of games that don't use violence, it's just that violence is easy to make and easy for those with low IQs to understand.

Try making those low IQ people play Uplink or The Guild and you'll understand exactly why violence is the most popular genre.

I thought the first womyn in the gaming industry was Anita Sarkizian?

>>15537333

The only game that girls played and actually made bank was a the Dollhouse-simulator, The Sims. Made by men of course.

Anything besides that i heavily doubt, women are just not interested in sitting at computers all day, it's not in their nature to hone their skills at strategy, warfare and whatnot that most games tests.

>>15537475

>>15537470

I'm just saying that the industry can't think off interesting conflict that doesn't resolve in a violent way.

It's like if all movies were action films.

>>15537460

How so?

>>15537475

>The Guild

>not violent

The Guild is the premiere Judaism simulator of vidya. Compared to what you can do to enemies in that game killing them would be a kindness.

>>15537483

>the industry can't think off interesting conflict that doesn't resolve in a violent way

Go back to reddit you fucking idiot.

>>15537491

>reddit

nice debate skills.

>>15537483

What about Platformers? They were a big genre back in the day and involved minimal violence.

What about simulator games? There was a huge explosion of them about 20 years ago.

What about minecraft clones? They're all about construction and building.

Fuck off with the feminist propaganda that all games are violent propaganda teaching kids to kill.

>>15537496

>gets told that there's plenty of games that don't involve violence

>still says that the industry can't think up games that don't resolve conflicts in a violent way

Like I said, maybe the reddit playpen is more up your speed.

>>15537453

That could be an interesting idea, provided you actually have some gameplay, probably centered around deciding where to put your limited medical supplies and doing nerve-wracking emergency surgery in sub-optimal conditions. Maybe start the game in a pre-war hospital to serve as a gentler tutorial section. Could also be interesting to include some impromptu diplomacy (backed with a shaky hand holding a pistol, maybe) with hostile soldiers who want to kill your current patients and gang-press you into service in their ranks instead.

>>15537509

>>15537508

I can post my sources, but then you'll say my sources are soyboy trash.

>>15537510

yeah, I have a shit ton of ideas that doesn't resolve about combat, funny enough most of them I think would appeal to girls.

I'm right now trying to make a sort of roguelike where the combat is basically farming.

>>15537487

Marriage between a man and a woman is how society works. It's best if both are virgins since that means they're less likely to divorce. This is all for the sake of the children who are the ultimate gol of this union.

>>15537483

All movies are now shitty action movies now anyway, it's almost as if everyone is creatively bankrupt now.

>>15537518

What sources you mouth-breathing imbecile? Do you want me to list all the hundreds of games out there that don't involve violence? Are you some kind of special ed escapee?

>>15537518

Im not part of your argument.. But I would enjoy reading some soyboy articles claiming that non violent video games dont exist.

>>15537518

Sources for what? I just disproved your dumb shit by listing whole genres of games that don't use a single iota of violence. But you prefer to talk about the Transformers of the games induatry for some reason.

Imagine if we all pretended that Transformers were the only movies that existed and that based on this dumb idea we decided to ban all movies.

>>15537483

>The Guild

>Transport Tycoon

>Orwell

>Uplink

>This is the Police

>Subnautica, Evo, and other survival games, to a lesser extent

Also the win conditions for many games have little-to-no need for violence. Indeed such runs are often viewed as a positive challenge. You really need to learn about this stuff before talking shit.

>>15537554

To add to this point, even the most violent game in the world, Postal 2, is violence optional. You are able to get through the entire game without killing or hurting anyone. There are even achievements for such a feat.

>>15537533

>>15537535

>>15537547

>>15537554

I'm not talking indie games, but AAA (like the soyboy youtube video is about).

>>15537567

>Nintendo is indie now

>Microsoft studios is indie now

>The US government is indie now

You can shut the fuck up, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

>>15537528

Society also works with people having copious amounts of sex without being married.

>>15537567

>but AAA

>what are the Sims games

>what is Minecraft

>what is Fifa

>etc

Care to embarrass yourself some more?

>>15537574

Single motherhood is really great isn't it? Just ignore the arising autism rates, autism is just the next step of human evolution :^)

>>15537582

Don't need to have children to have sex. There are a lot of contraceptives.

>>15537578

>>15537573

compare number of released games per genre, the vast majority has combat.

>but some few examples are a counterargument

>>15537601

Violence is exiting, makes things easy to sell. We've explained this already, but you just keep shifting the goal posts. What, do we need to have fucking parity in everything these days?

>>15537601

You said nothing about the percentage of AAA with violence compared to those without. Stop moving the goalpost.

Also, both the Sims and Minecraft sold more than 90% of AAA titles, so what does this do to your retarded theory?

>>15537597

Of course, cat ladies are obviously our future

That's what happens to women who use contraceptives, they all lose the ability to love and become cat ladies who never breed

Those cummies sure was worth a future of loneliness and regret :^)

>>15537349

>No Roberta Williams

This alone tells you how much the anti-GG crowd is all about MUH FEELS and NOTHING to do with, you know, actual, successful women in tech. FFS, having been in this industry my entire life it boggles my mind how backwards everything has moved since we allowed normalfags on the 'net.

Simplifying IT was a mistake. All machines should require manual IRQ adjustments to boot from now on.

>>15537615

>>15537616

no, but like I said, most of the games released every year solve their conflict with violence.

There's few games every year that doesn't do this, but 90% of games are some variation of the big 8 genres (fighting, action, FPS, rpg, strategy, etc).

>>15537619

It made like a billion dollar revenue.

>>15537601

The examples I mentioned were the most popular genre at the time

Platformers were the most popular genre back in the 80s

Simulators were popular during the 90s and were made for everything. Tower building, paper airplanes, ants.

Minecraft clones were popular during the 10s.

How are you this ignorant of gaming and yet you still claim to be an expert?

>>15537618

Stop pretending to be retarded, anon.

>>15537620

> the anti-GG crowd is all about MUH FEELS and NOTHING to do with, you know, actual, successful women in tech

well you have to remember that these people aren't gamers, they aren't involved with the culture and there only motivation is to ruin it for people in it

>>15537641

release games today, the industry was more creative back then.

>>15537633

Not per day, not even close.

>>15537642

>thinking about your future is retarded

>noticing patterns is retarded

>calling out societal ills is retarded

You realize that cat ladies will be the death of your civilization right?

>>15537659

The same could be said of Hollywood

Everything is a sequel

Everything is a bad action movie

Everything is poorly made and full of plot holes

When fucking Infinity wr is the pinnacle of Hollywood writing, you know something is wrong.

>>15537645

>there only motivation is to ruin it for people in it

This is a bad line of thinking. They're not doing it just to make things worse for everyone that cares. They're doing it so they can entrench themselves into the upper echelons of the industry and control it as a means to support their own group both within the industry and in other parts of other industries.

>>15537661

>Broad sweeping generalizations

>>15537675

>They're not doing it just to make things worse for everyone that cares

No, they genuinely want to ruin it for white, heterosexual men. That's what the left has always been about.

>>15537680

Then by that logic, you aren't allowed to call anons Virgins.

You don't want to make generalizations do you? :^)

>>15537685

I'm trying to say they're not doing it just to make things worse for everyone else. Their primary goal is to completely take things over for themselves. Shitting on everyone else just comes with the territory.

>>15537688

Never have. My first post was

>>15537574

and every reply to you afterwards.

>>15537675

I assumed it was a form of projection. People who don't really give a shit about games, getting into games because it's either easy money from an industry desperate for validation - or because it's "trendy" now and a boost to their personal PR marketing/image. Being cultural lampreys, they know nothing of the host they've attached themselves to - and bring all the baggage from their other circles and apply it to the games industry as if these issues were universal. Look at all the stories of crazy perverted shit that goes down in Hollywood surrounding rapey producers and child abuse. They project that onto the game industry.

>>15537699

>Their primary goal is to completely take things over for themselves

Yet with comics (as an example) sustainability is nowhere near their priority. They took over the industry and are busy dismantling it, brick by brick.

You're not dealing with sane people.

>>15537702

Wrong, your first post was

>>15537487

>>15537631

Most people want to experience something they can't normally experience in reality with their escapism. Violence is the biggest no-no in any civilized society. Do the math.

>>15537728

Yep and I never called you a virgin.

>>15537582

it actually is, normalfag scum

oh it wordfiltered n0rm13 to normalfag

>>15537740

maybe, I'm not against violence, I'm just saying the industry lacks more creativity, everything just feels more of the same.

>>15537753

"niggercattle" is better anyways

>>15537757

That's an issue of pandering to the lowest common denominator, not the chosen trappings of the medium. Romance novels are formulaic and creatively bankrupt to the point of ridicule, but they keep on selling, much like games. The objective with big businesses is never to innovate (until they're on the brink of bankruptcy, if even then) but to make the maximum profits for the minimum investment. You want innovation, you go to the indies and accept that the production values are gonna be lower.

>>15537728

rip retarded virgin anon :^)

>>15537792

from what I've seen indies also tend to make a lot of derivative games.

I'm not complaining, I just wish everyone just designed games in a diferent way.

I got people on twitter excited over explaining a game where the combat is farming.

>>15537810

>from what I've seen indies also tend to make a lot of derivative games.

That's likely because they lack the business sense to realize that trying to beat competition with vastly more experience and money at their own game is a piss-poor strategy. Even then, though, they usually have some gimmicks at the very least that try to set them apart, with varying degrees of success.

>I got people on twitter excited over explaining a game where the combat is farming.

Would you care to elaborate exactly what you mean by that? It sounds to me like you're wasting an opportunity to make the mechanics based around managing your granary supply and dealing with droughts and flooding and the resulting food shortages in favour of a derivative combat system with the blood and steel replaced with grain and hoes.

>>15537673

Capitalism always destroys the past, exploits the present and corrupts the future. Adding to this the destruction of human creativity and culture by the copyright scheme.

>>15537369

They were always women in the gaming industry. The issue is that both genders want to make inclusive games, but it wouldn't keep both genders content. I think there would be less outcry if women designed vidya for women.

You know how Shojo and Shonen manga are segregated, same should happen with videogames as well.

>>15537860

Secretaries, tokens, and the wives of actual developers don't really count as anything other than PC points.

>>15537675

>>15537699

Why are you trying to make up a justification for a crime?

>>15537453

Those games have always exist though, they just aren't marketed as regular action titles. Sports (Fifa), Extreme sports (Skate), Adventure games, and simulators (the sims) come to mind.

>>15537740

>Violence is the biggest no-no in any civilized society

Yet every civilized society is build on blood, and the global violence in the last decade is skyrocketing.

Any actual girl genres get attacked by those supposedly wanting to include girls. Like the Mama series on DS.

>>15537851

think a roguelike where you can only harvest crops, but the monsters can eat your crops and you need to defend the crop until it releases some flowers the enemy eat and then they become food for you, so you don't starve.

>>15537867

They do, but that's besides the point. You're talking about how the dynamic shifts in the current climate. Which is true. A lot of feminists are complaining about male environments, it would be better if they segregated the genders as opposed to integrating them.

>>15537892

Tue enough, but the people who buy games are generally the people living in the areas of the world where violence is strictly regulated so as to maintain public cohesion. It's also something of an emergency release valve to keep them from bottling up their rage until it boils over in public, so the powers-that-be have some interest in keeping it as it is.

>>15537910

They don't. They were a small part of a larger whole that definitely wouldn't exist anywhere close to what it ended up being without the males who worked on the title. Roberta Williams is an often touted example of a female developer that fits this perfectly. Her husband did all the heavy lifting and yet because he's a male among males he gets ignored but her less than mediocre ass gets touted. It is entirely based around political correctness and giving females who happen to be there a participation award for being female regardless of merit.

>>15537896

>…and you need to defend the crop…

Sounds like that would be a bit of a tall order without engaging in violence of some description, you know. See the issue? Any good story (especially one that needs to have interesting gameplay mechanics) needs conflict, and it turns out conflict is tricky to generate without violence. Especially in a way that makes for snazzy marketing material to sell your idea with.

>…releases some flowers the enemy eat and then they become food for you, so you don't starve.

So you're essentially killing them with a few extra steps in the process. Be sure to have some justifiable reason why the player character can't just sharpen a stick and poke at 'em with it until they croak, because it's contrived enough already without it.

>>15537946

I was just toying with the idea of making games without melee combat, and was thinking about a pacifist roguelike.

15537913

Bullshit. Every kid in Brazil plays video games and they all know violence, yet because they didn't pay for the games or play older games, they are nowhere to be found in these fake ass statistics pushed by the media. Remember when they dug up the contents of Bin Laden's hard drive, full of games? How's that for bottling up rage? It's the fear propaganda that keeps people docile, not games.

>>15537954

was meant for

>>15537913

>>15537954

>Every kid in Brazil

They may know violence, but they're not the ones inflicting it. They probably wish they could be, but they know they'd end up dead or worse if they tried, especially if they tried to do so to the targets of their ire. So they, too, have to be content with virtual violence, imagining the game's enemies to be their oppressor. It's a rather insidious form of control.

>Bin Laden's hard drive

Old raghead there may have ordered a lot of violence be done, but he likely didn't get to do much of it himself when he was cooped up in his hideyhole, since going out to do so would have put him in sight of the people, and consequently, in the sights of his enemies. Again, the urges needed a release valve to maintain sanity. What little there was left of it, anyhow.

>It's the fear propaganda

Fear is useless if it is outweighed by hate. You need to read your Machiavelli more closely. You stop the hate from growing too great by letting each individual serf have their own quiet little rebellions against your authority. Preferably through an outlet you control so you can keep tabs on the discourse for signs of things getting out of hand. It's the key ingredient to the success of modern methods of societal control, which is why I find it rather baffling they're squandering it all by getting more and more authoritarian, leading to greater and less controlled hatred against them around the world. I guess they're panicking now that the internet is leaking unfiltered ideas into reality.

>>15537204

These women are out of touch with reality. If you've spoken with actual women in the industry from 1990-2007 they are way more like us where they don't give a fuck and only want good games like we all do. The point is that these SJWs are trying to shoehorn women into their own market and then subsequently push the male dominated market out. When really if you wanted to do it properly you'd try to make a product that appeals to all demographics which they just aren't doing. Hence why you get studios saying "don't buy our game". They always give a platform to the worst developers in this industry, hows about they get some of the women from Team 17, Psygnosis, Sierra Online/Dynamix, Interplay ect. You know the women who actually did something cool and didn't make it about gender, who just wanted to make good shit!. If you're getting the women from no name studios and EA you're gonna get this gendered bullshit. Most of the women in the industry back in the 90s would tell you that no one really gave a shit that they were women, they just cared that they were talented enough to justify their existence, along with the men as well. This notion that the games industry has been white male dominated is a bunch of shit and its just being used to cover up the fact that lots of good talented developers are being screwed over and are fleeing the industry in large numbers, these diversity hires are there just to plug holes. In the end diversity didn't stop Telltale from ripping off their employees. Notice how its all the evil bastard AAA publishers pushing the agenda, this is primarily to deflect the fact that they are doing this unethical bullshit, and that they want western audiences to fuck off in favour of eastern emerging markets because those audiences are idiots who don't know better and will accept dodgy products and business practices.

>>15537204

>muh there's not enough girls for games!!!

yeah, well, you know, all the girls who actually care about video games tend to play weebshit or puzzle games or the same shit that everyone else plays. fuck off with this idea that you need to pander to get sales from the female audience

whatever man fuck these people and fuck you OP this is some gay shit

>>15537480

>The only game that girls played and actually made bank was a the Dollhouse-simulator, The Sims. Made by men of course.

Remember the board of directors at Maxis thought the idea of The Sims was terrible, early focus groups didn't like it (early 90's timeframe) and the only ones who did like were directors at EA after buying out Maxis in 1997 and only because of the positive reception of Sim City and foresaw the possibility of turning it into a franchise.

Will Wright and one programmer had to work on the game for years in the background (since 1991 after Sim Ant) while also working on other Sim projects up until it being shown to the public in 1999 and released in 2000.

>>15538428

>yeah, well, you know, all the girls who actually care about video games tend to play weebshit or puzzle games or the same shit that everyone else plays. fuck off with this idea that you need to pander to get sales from the female audience

Do woman even buy those games? Weren't those popular Bejeweled style match 3 puzzlers just free browser games?

>>15537601

>compare number of released games per genre, the vast majority has combat.

Compare how well they sell.

The best selling games are non violent sports games

>Inb4 sports are violent and have internal misogyny

stupid nigger