3843d0 No.15536260
I remember being like 13 when Halo: Combat Evolve came out. I was from a poorfag family who only just got a PSone as our first console since a saturn my dodgy uncle "got off the back of a van" years earlier and so i didn't play a lot of games from the time until later when i job a paper route and could buy stuff myself.
But i distinctly remember being in the school library with friends all using the shitty windows 98 pc's to browse the internet which i didn't have at home at the time and watched a very heated argument go off.
Two kids were talking about this new 'Xbox' console coming out and one guy was like "oh man you tried Halo yet? its got these huge levels with no loading points, vehicles you can get in and ride around and when enemies die their bodies dont disappear and if you hit them they bleed!" and a guy -who to be fair was a monstrous neckbeard who became a full on sw transgender otherkin after his r/atheism phase- got beet red and started slapping him while screeching "SHOOTERS ARE FOR PC ONLY, TAKE YOUR BABY GOLDTEN EYE CONTROLLERS HOME YOU FUCKING GAYLORD!" and it was so out there its stuck with me ever since.
It was the most standout example but i remember Halo being vehemently hated by PC only gamers who treated it like we would treat Battleborn or Fortnite now. The weird thing being that i bongland at least the xbox didn't get super popular till Halo 2's multiplayer expansion pack and i only know maybe 3 people that played Combat Evolve on console on release and the rest played it on PC in net cafes before they all closed down.
Do you remember why this game got so many people platinum tier buttstrated? Halo 3 when it became the go to for screeching kids online i can fully understand but that was after the MLG e sports bullshit started with Halo 2, what lead to all the ire of the original? some holdover of it originally being a mac exclusive?
9100e0 No.15536268
Singlehandedly ruined the FPS genre. Full stop.
59bf00 No.15536270
>>15536260
You’re not on 4chan.
510e60 No.15536279
>>15536270
His OP isn't a one liner, so yes we aren't
29f5b4 No.15536285
He just keeps making these threads.
3fa144 No.15536288
>>15536270
You are correct. This is 8chan
4b8d22 No.15536295
>>15536260
The big problem with halo is that it was pushed as some new groundbrreaking FPS but actually was incredibly derivative. Console users were in awe but for PC users it was nothing new or special.
3843d0 No.15536296
>>15536268
We can say that now after two weapons became the norm sure. But i'm talking at the time. Later games introduced jelly vision and did away with health packs but that wasn't the case with the first game at all.
885d0c No.15536300
It lowered the bar for FPSs across the board, simple as that. Ever since Halo, the entire genre has gotten dumber and dumber. It's just another for the list of things consoles killed. Think also of every time a game's graphics or scope were lowered for consoles. Deus Ex Invisible War is a great example of this.
And hey, certain things were invented or perfected by them, both 2d and 3d platformers would not be where they are without consoles, but that doesn't excuse the things that died because of them.
d51c3d No.15536301
>>15536268
This-a-roo, dude.
166bde No.15536305
Believe it or not, Halo: CE executed its own concepts really well which is hard to imagine when you see all the games that ended up being inspired by Halo and did it a hundred times worse, including most Halo sequels. For example, the 2 weapon limit worked really well within Halo whereas having access to all weapons at all time would have ruined it
A lot of people like to tout that 2 weapon systems force you to think about your choices more, but I’ve never found that to be the case. I’ve always found in 2 weapon games that I trade up based on the sorting order from worst to best gun. The best gun is typically the best machine gun. Since the assault rifle in Halo is trash, that’s obviously not the case.
Halo succeeds at the 2 weapon system because it has enemy variety that respond differently to different weapons and a well balanced ammo economy, with regular periods of scarcity. Normal 2 weapon shooters have no sense of an ammo economy and vend ammo for nearly any weapon all the time. They basically drop random guns. Regular shooters don’t have differing enemy types that take more damage from certain types of weapons, or have specific weapons that counter them through their effective ranges and projectile properties. In Halo, you’re constantly switching weapons, and there’s a small pool of weapons that are very different from one another in terms of their effective range, their type effectiveness against specific enemies, and their ammo behaviors. You have a consistent idea of what enemies you’ll probably face ahead, different mixtures of enemies demand different weapons, and you need to alter your tactics for when you inevitably get caught with the wrong combo of weapons.
BS:I doesn’t really do this, some weapons are clearly better than others, and you have absolutely no reason to use the worse weapons. There isn’t a strong aspect of situationality either.
I think in shooters that don’t regulate their ammo economy very tightly, you need at least 3 weapons before you can afford more weapon diversity, so it can be guaranteed that the player always has a slot for the generic mid-range machinegun weapon that is good in the majority of encounters, then specialized weapons on top of that. Otherwise you end up needing to build an arsenal with a ton of similar mid-range weapons, because players will pass up the more specialized ones, because they aren’t forced to pick them up by the ammo economy or by the situation demanding it. Vanquish is an example of a game that does 3 weapons well (by having 3 machine guns to weigh out the more specialized LFE, lock-on laser, and shotgun, among others).
Halo 1’s schema is really unique + delicate and normally wouldn’t work and there’s still better weapon diversity out there.
86cd38 No.15536306
>>15536288
gookmoot broke 4chan again so expect more activity
cbd997 No.15536312
Halo is fine. Its effects on the genre are not.
Every other developer wanted to ride the bandwagon by copying bits of Halo without understanding why they worked as a complete package.
d51c3d No.15536315
>>15536306
EYYY, COUSIN, HOW YOU ARE
LET'S GO PLAY SOME FRENCH MOUSE GAME SOME TIME, JA?
Mon visage quand, you know what I say? Hehehe yeah you do.
510e60 No.15536336
3843d0 No.15536340
>>15536300
You often hear a lot of 'it lowered the bar' but so often this comes from people the misremember or werent around at the time or are That Guy thats super buttmad the doom/serious sam style shooter fell out of favour and you can easily blame Half Life for that.
Halo CE had health packs over jelly vision, skulls that could tweak the difficulty with added challenges, 4 levels of difficulty, and the story was a traditional sci-fi adventure with a context changing midway twist.
The regenerating health, pvp balanced for esports, hooroo faux patriotism finish the fight of final wars dudebro shit only showed up after Halo 2 sold 8 million units in like a month.
THAT lead to influencing other genres so we got shit like modern cawadoody but the first game existed before all that yet it gets regarded as the instigator rather than another case of 'wider mainstream appeal ruining sequels'.
7c8597 No.15536346
Because Microsoft destroyed what would otherwise be an amazing game so they could sell their jewbox
03000c No.15536354
>>15536312
/thread. It's basically the Resident Evil 4 of FPSes, except RE4 (while a good game) eventually shat up one series with it's focus on action. Halo eventually shat up an entire genre, even if it is a good game in and of itself.
cbd997 No.15536374
>>15536354
Re4 affected more than its own series. There were quite a few bad Re4 copycats as I recall, but they never caught on.
ee1767 No.15536380
>>15536297
>using sage as a downvote
go back to reddit
06d6c7 No.15536434
>>15536260
It was responsible for the consolization/casualization of shooters. It simplified a lot of it's mechanics and a lot of games began to ape it like fortnite. Because of Halo:
>Every game had quicksaves were replaced by checkpoints
>Every game had regenerating health
>Every game had grenades mapped to a single key
>Servers were replaced with matchmaking (halo had both, but a lot of games just copied it's match making)
>Every game forced you to have two weapons instead of multiple.
Halo was the game that popularized those trends.
74ad74 No.15536435
>mustards
>hating halo
Halo was plenty popular on PC the fuck are you talking about?
Hell the free demo's multiplayer alone went on for over a decade I think
60d9be No.15536439
>>15536296
It wasn't just weapon limits. Halo popularised the console shooter, meaning most shooters from then on were then designed towards consoles. Hell, even back then we already had Tribes, Quake and Unreal. It's easy to see Halo as a step backwards compared to them. I mean sure every so often we get a game which gets insanely popular, Fortnite is the current one. With Halo though it was a particularly bad case where it was popular to the point that its audience was overlooking better games.
2ef27c No.15536457
>>15536260
>mustards
You have to go back
>>15536268
>Full stop
You have to go back
86cd38 No.15536473
>>15536435
And to this day the servers are still consistently populated, even with Project Cartographer and ElDewrito existing now.
3843d0 No.15536494
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>>15536374
Fun fact some devs making a metal gear inspired sci-fi game were forced by publishers to quickly make it a shitty RE4 clone. A few years later they took the concepts and decide to make another game you may have heard of. Another IP that owes its existence to RE4
86cd38 No.15536513
>>15536494
Sometimes I wonder what Dark Sector would've been like if they were allowed to go with their old Warframe-style concept. The art style was pretty different (more consistent) back then.
3843d0 No.15536526
>>15536513
From the no clip documentary they basically make it sound like metal gear rising with less RULES OF NATURE.
7ae370 No.15536556
>>15536260
Just would like to point out only bottom tier players had to deal with screaming kiddies in Halo 3 (unranked playlists and sub 45 rank players.) Once you got to a rank where you would consistently see 50s, it was populated by mostly adults, or at least guys that actually had their balls dropped.
3843d0 No.15536559
>>15536556
Were you MLG jiji san?
3ae9f0 No.15536563
>>15536336
sorry for what?
7ae370 No.15536591
>>15536559
Nah, but I was 50 in "MLG Ranked." If you got actually got that high though, you would run into MLG players relatively consistently. I've played tD SK, Ogre 1 and 2, Walshy, and a few lesser known ones i can't remember. Ninja, Maybe? I've played them all more than once too.
3843d0 No.15536614
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>>15536591
I just remember running into the pre twitch pro screamer streamers like 'nobunaga'. Fuck you travis.
86cd38 No.15536624
>>15536526
that trinity tho
759c75 No.15536632
What the fuck is a mustard?
1d5be6 No.15536636
It's a fine game in a vacuum. Hard to argue it didn't introduce some absolutely cancerous trends, as well as having a really obnoxious fanbase at the time though. It seems more tolerable now that the kids have moved on.
3843d0 No.15536646
>>15536624
>No framefu that hovers instead of ninja runs.
Its more disappointing than when they scrapped that thicc hourglass frame for gara.
3843d0 No.15536661
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>>15536636
>the kids moved on
Oh no, new kids found new shittier games. The Halo die hards are now 30 or older and treat this as their FF7 or MGS. Really.
b9162d No.15536688
>>15536312
This is nothing unusual for the FPS genre. The entire genre in the west is based on piggy backing existing successes, trying to imitate them, and releasing dozens of failed attempts. Halo did nothing that doom, quake, half-life and counter-strike did before it in terms of influence. Much like cod, overwatch, and whatever else after it. The entire genre has been poisoned by a lack of creativity and it literally never had any creativity. Its fans are just as bad, trying to pin blame on games instead of developers. Utter stupidity.
1d5be6 No.15536698
>>15536661
I mean today's kids have moved on. A lot of Halos original fanbase got siphoned off by things like cod over the years too.
394c1f No.15536835
>>15536661
>tfw people used to joke about people in the future being nostalgic over halo and CoD.
>its now real and they are making videos about how much better shooters were when they were kids.
I really should have seen it coming, it does make me wonder if there was a generation before that being nostalgic over games in the 70's or something. it does also mean that in some 10-15 years we will have people unironically talking about how fortnite was so much better than whatever the hell the future has in store.
8302d4 No.15536836
>>15536260
i was playing cs 1.6 all day everyday and then this fucking game comes along with auto-aim, regenerating health and energy shields
2f4fb4 No.15536840
There's nothing wrong with the Halo series itself, and I think the entire trilogy are fine games. People tend to forget that Halo is one of the few series that continues to encourage some form of "modding" through custom gamemodes while other games today insist on forcing players to play their games in a standardized fashion. Most of the hate you see is from arenafags who need something to blame for their subgenre dying out. Shit like slower movement speed, 2 weapon limit, and regenerating shields is all just preference.
3cc07c No.15538499
Things that never happened
1d5be6 No.15538535
>>15536835
They aren't wrong though. What was the last shooter worth caring about? Vanquish?
1d5be6 No.15538546
>>15538432
Anyone who started posting after 2007 is a perma-newfag,
9a7f21 No.15538555
45c664 No.15538570
>>15536260
>does anyone know why Halo is shit?
>when I was an underage faggot I thought it was good but adults with better taste disagreed, isn't that weird???
You answered your own question, OP. Halo served opened the floodgates for a whole new generation of children to shit up the FPS genre. The only good thing about Halo was the music and maybe the lore, before they ruined that too.
a2bd8d No.15538571
Autists will find a way to get bootyblasted about anything, and then double down when other people come out to say they enjoy the thing their criticizing. This is hardly unique or your favorite video game
1d5be6 No.15538613
To be honest, the only Halo I made an effort to play outside of couch multiplayer was 3, and I found that game's campaign too tedious to bother finishing.
342792 No.15538746
>>15538613
The third's campaign was shit. The first game was the best, the campaign was geniunly good. Especially love the level where the flood is introduced, good horror.
Halo 1 also had the best multiplayer-maps. The one with the two forts was fun. Also the one with the portals was a really quick and tense map. The best one was the two space-ships facing eachother, good, fun sniper-map.
b5e4a9 No.15538942
>>15538746
You're trying way to hard.
91d1cf No.15538996
>>15536260
console babbie's first fps
PC gamers are like wtf imma go back playing cs
mediocre franchise
move along
4777f8 No.15538998
>>15538996
>wtf imma go back to playing a mediocre fps
brilliant strategy
91d1cf No.15539002
>>15538998
name a single halo game that were better than CS 1.5
4777f8 No.15539003
>>15539002
halo 4 and 5 guardians
8a8111 No.15539039
>>15536305
This anon has a point, technically you cna beat HCE on legendary with just a Plasma pistol and the human magnum. PP to drop elite shields and the pistol for the headshot. Even against the flood, Plasma based weapons work better and thus the PP can drop forms quick
OP is trying to justify liking Halo. Like it or don't. I'd also like to state that Bungie has never really done anything innovative, they've taken concepts and executed their own take on them. the dedicated melee and grenade are likely from other games. Hell technically Duke3D had this, the mighty boot is technically a dedicated melee button bound to it's own key and that happened years before Halo.
Halo's health system is wonky, while it DOES have regenerating health, H1 has a health bar (as does reach) and in HCE damage bleeds over, the shield won't stop all damage once it pops. If you've played HCE you've probably died with 1 bar of health left and some needles stuck in you while you have low shield. The shield will take what it can before health is taken from the rest of it and usually end up with a dead player. Reach didn't do this sadly and shields didn't have damage bleed over.
H2 and H3 does have a health system for the cyborg.biped and cyborg_mp.biped, same for elite_mp.biped, this isn't shown in game through the hud, but the player bipeds do have a health value that you can test in MP. There used to be a video on YT, can't find it now. They showed this by shooting a player in H2 in the foot with a sniper rifle.
The shield would drop on the second shot, but the player would still be alive. They let the shield recharge and this time on the second shot the player died due to damage bleed over into the player health value causing them to hit 0 health and dying.
6cd561 No.15539156
Halo: Combat Evolved is great, but >>15536268 is right, the FPS genre never recovered after everyone wanted to be Halo but worse.
fde770 No.15539265
>>15536836
>auto-aim
This. This is the unforgivable sin that Bungie committed, convincing consolebabbys that Dora The Explorer-tier "interactivity" was legitimate.
>>15539039
>Bungie has never really done anything innovative
AHEM
7efc1e No.15539823
>>15538942
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9d8740 No.15540225
>>15539265
I'm ok wiht aim assist in console FPS.
Has no place on PC except maybe as a setting for gamepads
26160d No.15540298
>>15536340
>That Guy thats super buttmad the doom/serious sam style shooter fell out of favour and you can easily blame Half Life for that.
This. Half Life was what really killed the genre by planting the idea that the story and "experience" was more important than the gameplay in the minds of dev and players alike.
>>15539265
>auto-aim
>This. This is the unforgivable sin that Bungie committed
Goldeneye had heavy autoaim before Halo did.
9d8740 No.15540349
>>15540298
>Half Life was what really killed the genre by planting the idea that the story and "experience" was more important than the gameplay in the minds of dev and players alike.
I fail to see how you can't have both.
567833 No.15540362
>>15540349
Classic false dichotomy.
We've learned to accept mediocrity as long as we can latch onto one positive trait.
8a85c3 No.15540365
The first three games weren't bad, but it's well past time people moved on with their lives. Hardcore halo fans need a serious reality check - the games were just too slow overall, and the idea of a two weapon limit was and is terrible.
There were dozens of multiplat consolized shooters coming out every year back then, every single one of them worse than halo. Halo was better than pretty much every unreal engine 1/2 game that wasn't UT, that's for sure. But halo caused far more lasting damage by being the game that let microsoft into the gaming industry. For that alone, it can get fucked.
c6123a No.15540367
>>15539823
This post is even more pathetic than the one it responds to.
26160d No.15540387
>>15540349
It is possible to marry gameplay and story perfectly but in practice it's an either/or thing for most devs and the focus on storytelling has been disastrous for video games.
567833 No.15540389
>>15540365
One of my greatest autismo fantasies is to make a pc fps which copies most of Halo's game mechanics but has a faster movement speed, fewer hitscan weapons and a four weapon limit.
After replaying CE and 2 I really began to understand the criticisms of the game. It was consolized to hell but at its core it was one of the best.
85196c No.15540401
>>15536836
you're no better and counter strike has always been a haven for cheating yurofaggots even on the pro level so technically cs did have auto aim
5b98d6 No.15540409
>>15536661
>13 year olds who first played HCE on their christmas Xbox are now 30
holy shit I feel old
a7eee1 No.15540428
>>15536835
I've already seen people here looking back fondly on the first Uncharted.
22c409 No.15540470
>>15536260
>Why did mustards hate Halo so much back in the day?
>two weapon limit
>garbage level design
>floaty as fuck physics
I don't know what the later Halo games were like, but stop trying to act like this series was hot shit. It was clunky and awkward, it's worse than games in the same genre that came out a decade before it.
I'm sick of seeing younger anons who were clearly kids/teens during the 2000's, you're being blinded by nostalgia.
26160d No.15540472
>>15536835
>>15540428
I remember oldfags championing the Atari as the best era of gaming despite it all being primitive shit. 8-bit computers were marginally better but still pretty terrible. Even the Amiga sucked underneath the style. Western console and computer games didn't get good until the IBM PC took off as a gaming platform.
78d31e No.15540480
The original Halo feels really primitive despite being from 2001. The first three Quake games were all more fluid and they came out several years prior.
06d6c7 No.15540507
>>15540428
I thought that Uncharted was a dudebro cinematic version of Tomb Raider with most of it's puzzles stripped out. Naughty Dog eventually shat on their core fanbase by ripping it off.
85196c No.15540517
>>15540470
are you saying that you're almost 40 years old?
fd194f No.15540522
>>15536835
>if there was a generation before that being nostalgic over games in the 70's or something
Us gamers huh?
d167da No.15540523
>>15536268
Lmao no
Best fps seiries
At least one of them
Yeah some of the games that copied it sucked
But thats like saying resident evil 4 and 5 are shit cuz of 6
fde770 No.15540911
>>15540225
Why pretend you stick wagglan matters? Why even bother "aiming" if the CPU does it for you? Why not just do what Metroid Prime did, and openly eliminate aiming from player control?
>>15540298
>Goldeneye
Made auto-aim something you could disable in the options menu, and when it was on, your onscreen weapon actually moved around by itself to indicate how auto-aim worked. Halo was completely dishonest. It even managed to retain slight auto-aim in the PC version!
>Half-Life
HL's core combat play was solid, even the not-quite-interactive cutscenes were merely somewhat demeaning to the player at worst, rather than actually harming the mechanics. HL's true sin was its extremely linear campaign design and extreme reliance on prescripting. This didn't make it a bad game, but it certainly made it a lesser one.
>>15540389
It's called Marathon
3868ca No.15541561
>It was clunky and awkward
I still don't know why I keep replying to these threads, it seems most of the people here can't even fathom with the concept of playing a game on the input method it was designed for, do you also like to complain about Super Mario feeling clunky and awkward on keyboard and mouse?
>>15540911
Aim assist in Halo is a balance tool: every weapon is designed around it and some mechanics like descope only work properly on a controller with aim assist. Precision weapons typically have lower levels of aim assist when you are not scoped in, and you are instantly taken out of scope when you get hit. It's a suppression mechanic that makes countering snipers more viable in multiplayer and encourages teamwork.
8a8111 No.15541627
>>15540389
Thing is Halo didn't have hitscan weapons till reach. And that's because they wanted to do large maps and the current system they had before that wouldn't work well
9cf6a8 No.15541672
>>15536260
>babby's first fps
>consolized shit
>muh console wars
>waaa why can't I be considered important like dude sex and hard life
The special snowflake syndrome of your millennial cucks is nauseating. Do something good if you want praise, anyone who told you it's in your rights was LYING.
9cf6a8 No.15541687
>>15540507
>Uncharted was a dudebro cinematic version of Tomb Raider with most of it's puzzles stripped out
That's incorrect. Uncharted is a 3rd person shooter with trivial platforming elements. You are expected to travel a very streamlined route until the next sniper city section.
8e6d5f No.15541702
> i remember Halo being vehemently hated by PC only gamers who treated it like we would treat Battleborn or Fortnite now.
Why shouldn't it? That seems like a reasonable stance.
658158 No.15541709
>>15536340
>skulls that could tweak the difficulty with added challenges
not added till Halo 2
567833 No.15541716
>>15541672
>hard life
>important
Games which are good are not necessarily important
>millenial
>dragging a thread about a video game's into a boomer rant about personal achievement
Anon, I don't like people who think that everything that they want is a right either, but you're just looking for and opportunity to get on a soapbox.
>>15541687
I played the first at a friend's house. It's a mediocre, run of the mill third person shooter with chest high walls and regenerating health. You also climb by pressing "up."
>>15541709
CE has mod support for all that it's worth. 2 never got that treatment.
658158 No.15541721
>>15540365
Halo 1 honestly has the fastest pace due to backpack reloading, something I wish more games would include and make it an actual feature.
>>15540389
>most of Halo's game mechanics but has a faster movement speed, fewer hitscan weapons and a four weapon limit.
It's called Crysis tbh. Same super-soldier formula, vaguely similar mechanics, build from the ground up for PC players.
>>15541716
That doesn't count and you know it
3843d0 No.15541753
1c94dc No.15541776
>why PC players hated halo
Because compared to what was usually played on PC at the time halo sucked massive ass thanks to being a slow boring shooter that didn't have any complexity to compensate compared to the PC market. It landed right in the shit creek between high octane arcade FPS and slow-paced tactical FPS.
I also hate it because it singlehandedly introduced cancerous 2-weapon limit and the retarded regeneration.
And the reticle is fucked. It's off-center vertically. There's no excuse for it being that way, it causes you to see less shit on the eye level and lose a solid chunk of screen real estate to empty fucking sky.
a600c2 No.15541810
because it's not very good
8a8111 No.15541829
>>15541716
2 had mod support on PC, problem was it was gimped badly compared to custom edition and as a result was abandoned pretty early. Project Cartographer has tried to unfuck the tools to some degree of success
ca133b No.15544324
>>15541776
>reticle off center
Its because Chief is seven feet tall without even wearing his armor. The reticle is moved lower so you can fight shorter enemies without staring at the ground.
78d31e No.15544364
Hey, instead of asking us why we hate Halo I want to ask you guys why the fuck you liked Halo?
Even in 2001 the game paled in comparison to other first-person shooters. Half-Life came out in 1998 and Quake 3 released in 1999, and unlike those two games it didn't age well AT ALL.
e62876 No.15544496
>>15544364
It's because it was fun to us and our friends. Not my fault we didn't know any better. We just wanted to shoot people in a virtual setting, and Halo was available to us at the time. Even during school someone was smart enough to have it installed on the computers in the computer lab so we can have LAN matches during class. It was good for it's time, not for the legacy it has now.
I mean yeah now Halo has some cracks and crevices, but I am not going to pretend that I though the game was shit back then to me.
ca8e49 No.15544732
>>15536661
>tfw nearing 30
>tfw i was in high school and all the normalfags talked about was how great Halo 2 and 3 were.
>this was around the same time of Half-Life was in fruition and was better
>Remember when COD MW took over right afterwards and really made the gaming industry shit like Fortnite etc.
>It died later on and fans moved on while this guy barely older than me and a franchise are both the mirror image of each other.
>trying to stay a child despite being a 30 year old man and the franchise trying to reconnect what has been lost throughout the last 10 years or so
You know Halo ended at 3 and the people left in Bungie not long right after. They knew this franchise was going to go to shit right after. Its sad to see someone trying to go back to their childhood and stay there rather than accepting the loss and moving onto something new. By not accepting what is gone and trying to focus on a few games, you are only limiting yourself to what is out there. So many good games have released especially on PC,Consoles and various other places. For fucks sake even i knew COD was an average FPS and Halo was just a good FPS but nothing more than that. At this point it should just be called Nostalgiafagging because this guy refuses to realize nothing will ever be the same as you played it in childhood.
8a8111 No.15544753
>>15544732
>Half-Life
>in 2008
I've heard about this, they call it reaching
tip, HL was published in 98, SIX fucking years before H2 and a decade before H3
ca8e49 No.15544786
>>15536835
>it does also mean that in some 10-15 years we will have people unironically talking about how fortnite was so much better than whatever the hell the future has in store
There is a legitimate reason behind this anon. Always notice when going on and on about how one generation was better than another we always avoid the shitty games and crap going on in each era, by pretending it never happened. For example you have people saying the PS3,Xbox360 were the LAST good generation when it was truly the worst. We had Call Of Duty every single year selling, to where companies went out of business because normalfag consumers would only purchase that game and never expand beyond their own horizons. So other companies made their own variation of FPS games, Battlefield came to console. We had endless and endless amounts creativity was really stifled until after 5 years of almost nearly bullshit. We had the rise of Indies, Minecraft and Japanese games started to come over to the West after adapting to HD(Catherine,Final Fantasy 13,Katamari Forever, Tales series, Danganronpa, Persona etc) that finally gave us an open path to play more original or bizarre style games than one genre only. It was damn near in the middle to the end of the life-cycle when it became good or even better. It will repeat in this generation as well.
No doubt though what you say is true about Fortnite or PUBG They will say "how it was so original, so fresh, so new and how nothing will ever be like it." But always be wary of anyone who tells you any generation was great as there was and always will be shit in every one of them due to the lack of stepping outside the box and doing something new until a few people in the generation do so near the end of it. It seems almost cyclical that it is a pure dark sardonic irony of life itself.
ca8e49 No.15544791
>>15544753
I meant Half-life 2 or even Doom 2004 or whatever it was called. Both of them were supposed to be the new thing. But of course gamers were all about that music and aesthetics. They were easily sold on advertising and gobbled it up to believe Halo was the most unique game ever.
166bde No.15544821
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>>15540389
>One of my greatest autismo fantasies is to make a pc fps which copies most of Halo's game mechanics but has a faster movement speed, fewer hitscan weapons and a four weapon limit.
>After replaying CE and 2 I really began to understand the criticisms of the game. It was consolized to hell but at its core it was one of the best.
Literally Project MSX
ca8e49 No.15544830
>>15544786
Also i forgot to add onto my post to say that nostalgic fags will do this with any hobby they are into, they will always remember the few good things of any hobby over the massively bad stuff being put out like a filter. They may mention how Akira was such a great anime or how Inuyasha was the last great anime etc or how 2000's anime was better or 90's anime was or 80's. Each generation has its fair share of shitty anime along with good ones. No doubt this generation will be no different. Nostalgicfags need to die off or be humbled when realizing that their generations were just the same as any other.
841e32 No.15544907
>>15544732
>Halo ended at 3
Kys nigger ODST and Reach were excellent ways to flesh out the story.
8f8aac No.15544922
Mustards also thought Half Life 2 was the greatest game ever when it came out.
567833 No.15545068
>>15544907
ODST should have been an expansion. Reach had a good story if you ignore how it fucked up the lore in the books. From a gameplay perspective if Reach didn't have bloom recoil and armour abilities than it would have been perfect. To this day I have never seen a cosmetic customization system as good as Reach's.
>>15544821
This looks right up my alley. The only thing missing is the large levels of Halo, but I could enjoy this for what it is.
8a8111 No.15545188
>>15544791
>Doom 3
>HL2
Doom 3 was eh, you're just reaching and HL2 was more of a tech demo, nothing revolutionary came from it's modding scene outside I think Garry's mod
>>15545068
It was originally, MS mandated it be sold full price.
8ded1e No.15545264
>>15540517
17 years ago he was in his twenties.
8a908d No.15545493
>>15540365
M$'s gaming division was always a money pit for them. Blowing $6 billion on RRoD and moving on like nothing happened alone is proof. They never truly gave a fuck about it being profitable, but to be a cockblocker for Sony setting up a multimedia player in the living room. If you really want to get mad at that argument, get mad at Nintendo doing dirty shit in the 90's and slowly abandoning what made them good in the 80's. They motivated Sony to make a console, which then drew the ire of M$. If Nintendo would've just made games on the level of NES titles and not dicked around with console war shit and 3D crap like Virtual Boy, things would've been greatly different.
5d5aac No.15545544
>>15545188
>Doom 3 was eh, you're just reaching and HL2 was more of a tech demo
This is a dumbass opinion but I respect it.
>nothing revolutionary came from it's modding scene outside I think Garry's mod
Now you're just being retarded.
8a8111 No.15545558
>>15545544
>Doesn't cite anything to stop me
>resorts to name calling
5d5aac No.15545585
>>15545558
Dude, no offense, I'm going to be honest with you. If you are too lazy to look on moddb or the insurmountable amount of fantastic mods on Steam such as Fistful of Frags and Fortress Forever, you've got bigger problems than me having the "burden of proof."
https://www.moddb.com/mods?filter=t&kw=&released=&genre=&theme=&players=&timeframe=&game=61
8a8111 No.15545641
>>15545585
>earliest mods are posted in 05 for releases
>Most of them are just minor DM tweaks or trolls
Yeah that directX 7 fix is an amazing mod So is the one that adds more antlions to the coast levels.
Half-Life 2 was and still is eh compared to HL1, they tried so hard to focus on the "cinematic" BS that it was boring
>Good portion of chapter 1 is exposition
>Gordon treated like a messiah
When it came out I had trouble bothering with HL2's campaign
0abbe4 No.15545664
bump because it pisses nintoddlers off
5d5aac No.15545694
>>15545641
Nice cherrypicking. Filter by completed mods. You have to be a newfag to think that one of the most famous games for modding of all time doesn't have any mods. How about Underhell, Age of Chivalry, Zombie Panic, Estranged, Synergy, Goldeneye Source, The Hidden, Alchemillia, Insurgency etc, not to mention the ones I talked about in my last post?
pic unreleated
8a8111 No.15545745
>>15545694
>Famous of all time
>Not Duke 3D, nor Original DOOM or even HL1
Also ZPS came out in 07, most of them did. So they came a bit late into HL2, by that point ep 1 was out and EP2 was slated for that year
5d5aac No.15545752
>>15545745
I used to be a Duke3d modder back when so don't give me that moving the goalposts shit. They're both quite notable.
6bd737 No.15545755
Because it was babby's first FPS for all the kiddos who nagged their moms into buying them an xbox. Guess you were one of them, OP.
6bd737 No.15545761
>>15536340
>Halo didn't lower the bar because CoD4 came out 6 years later
[insert generic insult about your intelligence]
e435c1 No.15546159
>being this much of a faggot
you know it came out on PC too, right?
the servers used to be bumping too
good times
9f69fb No.15552870
>>15545641
>HL2 has no mods
Are you retarded?
fde770 No.15553309
>>15546159
>pity ports done years later
>released just before the next game came out on console as promotional stunts
>didn't even get through the first 3 games or 2nd game on Mac
>now that halo and its endless remakes is one of the only things keeping the xboner from going completely flaccid, they will never ever port the other games
688db9 No.15553498
>>15545068
>only thing missing is the large levels of Halo
Its a pk3 mod, so you can load it up with any wad you want. Project_MSX + Back to Saturn X ranks up there as one of the best gaming experiences I've ever had. Some other good wads to load it up with are Sunlust, Suspended in Dusk, and Deus Vult 2.
I'll give you a quick rundown since its pretty difficult on your first try. You die almost too quick to tell what's going on. Start on casual just so you can tell why you messed up and grow from there.
Prioritize killing the grunts above all other enemies. They have very low health but shoot unavoidably fast projectiles with perfect accuracy over long ranges, so its easy to get focused down if there's a lot. If you get close enough they just start magdumping which eats through the shields in a little over a second. A single shot from the Magnum is the quickest way to deal with them, and the shotgun can clean up large groups. They also go down with any melee attack.
The basic enemy replacing the imp, the Kabro, is fast as hell and throws two fireballs in rapid succession. They have ridiculous melee speed and you'll get shredded if they box you in, which is something they're programmed to do in large groups. You'll want a rapid fire weapon capable of quickly switching targets to hold them off. The AR is useful here because it can stunlock individuals and reloads quick if you dump the mag before you lose the round in the chamber. They can also be dispatched in close quarters with a single melee strike.
The demons have been changed significantly. They're faster, they run straight towards you, and can now lunge with incredible speed. You'll know its coming since they pause and roar before doing it. Shotgun and melee form the quickest one-two takedown. level one charged fists also annihilate them. Stealth Demons are now perfectly invisible in addition to having the updated behavior, so have fun with that.
Revenants are a major asspain, much worse than they were in the base game. You should immediately focus these down after the grunts. They're not only faster, but their rockets have been significantly upgraded. They have two types, slow missiles that will track you down to the ends of the earth, and lightning fast dummy rockets. Its impossible to predict which type is coming out of the tubes, and sometimes they will fire both at once, so its easy to get caught off guard by one when expecting the other. Use the Taurus cannon at range, and shotgun up close to stunlock them to death. Avoid the midrange mindgames.
1c5c61 No.15553577
>>15540523
Resident evil 4 and 5 are shit because they ruined the franchise by being mediocre TPS instead of survival horror. Gaylo ruined the FPS genre as a whole.
43543e No.15553655
>>15536835
>it does make me wonder if there was a generation before that being nostalgic over games in the 70's or something
Oldfag here, no. Everything peaked in the '90s.
1c5c61 No.15553714
>>15536835
>a generation before that being nostalgic over games in the 70's or something
There actually is in the case of the 80s. It's most often people who hit their majority in those years and would say that trying to hit highscores at the local bar's pinball or arcade machine is the one and true way of playing vidya (yes the do consider a pinball machine the same as vidya). They would then go on rants about how catering to shut ins and nerds playing at home killed the only redeeming factor of gaming.
The real truth about it all is that life sucks and people cling to the memories of a time that their lives weren't as terrible, where they actually felt alive instead of becoming numb and jaded. That's why nostalgia is so prevalent.
43543e No.15553762
>>15553714
>The real truth about it all is that life sucks and people cling to the memories of a time that their lives weren't as terrible
This is why NEETs are valuable individuals, we don't become wageslaves so we never experience nostalgia and lose our objectivity. Arcades were cool, but not as cool as DOOM, Quake Tribes and early MMOs with an internet that only had whites and east asians on it.
e84527 No.15553827
>>15536260
>Do you remember why this game got so many people platinum tier buttstrated?
My memory is a bit hazy, but I think it was the all the graphics hype it got.
Halo was seen being "average" as far as gameplay goes, but the graphics were impressive at the time.
When talking to halo fans they would go on about all the surface-level cosmetic features for the pretty generic game, but not much else.
And you might respond with something like "Well the graphics are indeed good, but perhaps these older games are a bit better despite this…"
Immediately they would loudly interrupt, screaming something like "LOL GRANDDAD GO BACK TO THE RETIREMENT HOME! WELCOME TO THE FUTURE OLD MAN!"
Then they would throw their feces at you and make monkey noises.
8ca5f2 No.15553883
I actually didn't get into PC FPSs a great deal until right around Battlefield Vietnam. But I'll tell you why my friends and I thought Halo was a piece of crap when it came out.
It's simple, really: We played games like these first.
One night we tried to get some multiplayer Halo going. After a great deal of navigating options menus, we finally realized you literally could not turn the shitty auto-aim "feature" off. Upon that realization, we turn the game off and went back to playing superior N64 FPSs. Halo is dumbed-down trash for simpletons.
1d5be6 No.15553890
>>15553827
Halo fans could be extremely obnoxious during the height of it's popularity. Armies of 12 year olds who think Halo invented absolutely everything, and that games like Metroid Prime were gay Halo ripoffs. I can appreciate the series a bit more now that those people have gone away.
eea9a7 No.15553894
the hypocrisy in this thread. where did all you fags blow in from?
youre not the /v/ i arrived here with.
8ca5f2 No.15553896
>>15536340
>regenerating health… only showed up after Halo 2 sold 8 million units in like a month.
Sorry but the shield is regenerating health. It's half of your health regenerating at any given time. The sequels just bumped up the proportion.
db9ce6 No.15553904
Halo was and always will be a shitty fucking game. It's boring as fuck and played by retarded 12 year olds. FagBox homos ruined so much shit back in the day because every good game that came out just HAD to have a gay fucking shit console port and consoles are dogshit for FPS games, always have been
1d5be6 No.15553916
>>15553904
You can port an FPS to consoles without ruining it. There were a lot of perfectly good console ports before Halo brought in the two guns regenerating health meme. Quake on the N64 was just not a problem. You could play it, or ignore it.
2de3c8 No.15553926
>>15553883
Rage Wars was a lot of fun back in the day
a6f6bf No.15553938
>not even trying to hide your console wars bullshit
c7d504 No.15553990
>>15538996
Actually it was PC babies that hated halo and console babies that hated CS 1.5. The adults enjoyed both as their own thing.
c7d504 No.15554005
>>15540298
Half-life killed the genre and in some ways revitalized it because it eventually led to CS. Valve had a good game, it just wasn't half-life. I don't really blame them, most of the developers at that time didn't have game development experience. Then when they actually got good Gaben ate them and allowed shitty ideas to be implemented instead because he needs to stockpile cash for future diabetic and kidney failure treatments.
d50f50 No.15554102
Why do people like halo at all? It's boring as shit and the guns are all fucking peashooters.
dc6909 No.15556318
>>15536260
I've always fucking loved Halo, I don't give a shit what elitists have to say about it. Due to the absence of an Xbox in my life lately I've had to settle for playing Halo 1 and 2 on my 2013 MacBook Air
I never really felt like any of the Halo games had bad multiplayer and I thoroughly enjoyed Halo 3 online back when I had an Xbox 360.
8ca5f2 No.15556339
>>15556318
You should leave.
dc6909 No.15556348
>>15556339
Fight me faggot
8ca5f2 No.15556355
>>15556348
Pssh, you probably can't even handle a single Darksim. Nothin personal, kiddo.
264a43 No.15556380
>>15556355
Take your anime faggot shit and git outta here, nigger.
dc6909 No.15556383
>>15556355
I got to 8th prestige on CoD4 come at me bro
e7fedc No.15556495
I just beat Halo again and it has held up pretty well compared to Half-Life 2. Everything about it seems superior. Half-Life 2 has awful textures, tedious stretches of nothing interesting, very little enemy variety or dynamic. The enemies will dodge attacks and react when hit and aren't just boring bullet sponges. In Halo the vehicles are way better. The enemy and your team mates can drive vehicles effectively. There's an actual story and you aren't forced to stand still and listen to Marc Laidlaw's hour of character monologues. The music in Halo is fantastic. The multiplayer is still fun. In practically every way Halo is superior to Half-Life 2.
8ca5f2 No.15556580
>>15556495
Yes, but it Halo shit? That is the question. It's possible, in fact quite probable, that Halo is in fact shit while Half-Life 2 is also in fact shit.
937b7b No.15556689
>>15536260
>mustards
Go back to cuckchan. Anyway lot of anons bring good points here but honestly the hate from back in the day was because console kiddies wouldn't shut up about that fucking game. Halo 1 wasn't really a bad game but it wasn't that great either, especially when compared to the giants at the time (CS, UT, Q3A). But when judged as a console fps, it was top of the line. Another thing is that it made enough of a splash in the industry to set trends, trends that would haunt us for 2 generations and would earn it retroactive hate. There's a reason why a lot of FPS released this generation are trying to get back to the roots by being more about skill based movement & precision, having more weapons etc.
8a8111 No.15556954
>>15553896
>at any given time
it requires not being hit.
>>15553916
>Halo is a problem
>FPSes ported to conole worked
>Cumbersome controls for limited buttons
>Thumbstick meant inaccurate aiming and required the user to spray more often
9c4b87 No.15557008
>>15556580
I think Halo is a good game.
7d3e97 No.15557032
>>15557008
All video games are bad, anon.
1d5be6 No.15557763
>>15556954
They were playable, and they didn't ruin the PC versions of the games by existing. They worked.
d77cd4 No.15557773
>>15536315
Wait
Did something bad happen to french mouse game? I thought it was neat in the past. Did they fuck it up?
I think they added microtransactions at some point.
8c160b No.15558715
>>15556318
>Macbook
>Liking gaylo online with 12 year olds
>All of >>15556383
This better be bait
9f69fb No.15563981
>>15556689
>cuckchan
Mustard is more of a reddit term.
e1f30a No.15563995
>>15556318
>I don't give a shit what elitists have to say about it
>on my 2013 MacBook Air
Self hating hipster detected.
3e87d1 No.15564014
>week old thread still being bumped
>7. Threads made in a template fashion (Foolz posting) and console war bullshit like "PC will never EVER get Bloodborne" will result in thread deletion or bumplock.
Great job hotpocketeers.
91cac1 No.15564028
>devs make game that works really well and a lot of people love
>(((money people))) notice the success and say "make every game like that!"
>/v/ says this is Halo's fault
You people…
7ed756 No.15564089
>>15540428
I had nostalgia for Uncharted until I actually replayed it. I must have had either really low standards or a really selective memory back in the day.
5eae83 No.15564104
>>15556689
>Halo 1 wasn't really a bad game but it wasn't that great either
The arbiter of quality has spoken. If you think Halo is great, well apparently you're wrong.
55d599 No.15564107
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
Halo 1 was a fuckawful mess of a game releasing over 5 years after Quake (back when 5 years was an eternity for video games) with everything having rolled backwards.
- Quake: 16 (soon after, 32 and client side prediction) player internet multiplayer, dedicated servers, server browsers, mods, and servers that could automatically distribute modded content. Halo: basic 16 player LAN.
- Quake: rocket jumping and go fasts. Halo: lumbering tanksuit G.I. Joe.
- Quake: legendary for high skill cap FPS play. Halo: assisted aim and super slow action for babby.
- Quake: 8 weapons with a fuck you axe you can switch to at any time to use the most appropriate tool. Halo: two weapon swap lol.
- Quake: 30 maps SP, 36 maps MP. Halo: 10 maps SP, 8 maps MP
- Quake: best FPS community ever, almost all college-aged playing in computer labs its first year. Halo: 'screaming children' who would give the world teabagging as soon as they could get online.
For fuck's sake, the jewtube embed is a world record "speed"run of this piece of shit. And almost 20% of the goddamn run is the library, just waves of the same shit over and over. The "my first FPS" thing was entirely accurate.
55d599 No.15564111
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>>15564107
For comparison.
f4ca51 No.15564117
>>15564107
>rocket jumping and going fast
So you have autism?
c3d4da No.15564248
>>15536260
Real response?
It was agonizingly slow- To the point where it established the meta of sniper dominance from anyone who doesn't have parkinsons to hit your grandma movespeed ass.
It established the dumb fucking "Gigantic weapon taking up the corner of the screen" meme when it was done in that game to save on render budget.
It made aim assist the norm and had -aggressive- aim assist at that because a FPS on a controller is always dogshit.
The maps were either wide open barren dogshit or cramped boring corridors.
Mostly- It was just the lame slow shit gameplay and how console fags had this game that if it were released on PC back in the day- Would have been a 6/10 mediocre at best title.. Were just SCREAMING like little fucking apes about how awesome it was while we watched them putter about like they have broken fucking knees wiggling the sticks on the gigantic ugly cunt xbox controller
0127cb No.15564382
>>15564117
so you're a faggot?
40c354 No.15564468
As a Eurofag the whole Halo series felt like some cringy advertisement for the US marine corps to me.
a72b43 No.15564481
>>15564248
I also remember the MP maps being shit, but the singleplayer was alright, outside of the stupid long ass corridor walk flood.
23a055 No.15564483
>>15564107
So you're saying all fps games have to copy quake in order to be good?
55d599 No.15564492
>>15564483
I'm saying Halo dragged everything backwards by about 8 years. Name something it added to the genre that was good.
bb5312 No.15564507
>>15564492
elaborate squad enemy AI and a health/shield system that made combat more than hurrdurr i shoot you now
you are a retard tho
55d599 No.15564556
>>15564507
>health/shield system
One of the most hated, genre-destroying things Halo championed, regenerating health, is your example of.. Jesus, why am I even wasting my time replying. You grew up on Halo, it was your first FPS and nostalgia has taken over. You will never see it for what it was.
bb5312 No.15564565
>>15564556
>health/shield is regen health
>ellipses
my first fps was doom btw, kys cuckchan retard
6063df No.15564575
9c4b87 No.15564579
>>15564107
I hate Quake. The enemies are dumb as bricks and the levels are mostly hallway mazes. It's boring.
bb5312 No.15564623
>>15564584
the truth is the western industry is basically creatively bankrupt and always has been.
db9ce6 No.15564746
>>15553916
>There were a lot of perfectly good console ports
There's never been one because you can't do FPS on a fucking console, it's retarded and makes no goddamn sense. Why would you willingly limit your ability to see and move when you can just get a fucking KB/M and have complete freedom?
0127cb No.15564778
>>15564584
>remember that time where everyone decided to copy doom
Produced a lot of classics. Unlike shitlo.
920ef0 No.15566398
>>15536268
>Singlehandedly ruined the FPS genre. Full stop.
God forbid 1 game does something different, Quake and Doom will always be popular and will always have servers so if you want that then just play that because no FPS is ever going to top that let's be real, so we might as well experiment with the genre weather they be good or not. It's not the games fault every fucking company did all in it's power to copy it, it's the same with cod, MW2 specifically, that game blew but it's not strictly it's fault ever other company only cares about money and did everything they could to rip it off instead of doing new and interesting things, that's the real problem.
bfdfb1 No.15566435
>>15564584
>boomer contrarian
>>>/cuckchan/
36cc95 No.15566732
>mustards
Why would PC gamers complain? They got the superior version and the best full game that Gearbox has released to date even though it was just a port. Seriously, Borderlands is shit.
36cc95 No.15566747
>>15566398
If you want the real story of tragic FPSes, look no further than Half-Life. That game sold well and created the industry shift to "we need more story in FPSes" because all managers analyze is sales and try to imagine what caused them – they don't take a wholistic approach to game design, so they thought sales were tied to "more setpieces." Same with Unreal, although Unreal isn't nearly as guilty since it was a little more passive, like Marathon.
I love Half-Life 1 and have many fond memories with it, but it is the Trojan horse of awful FPSes.
1bcf1d No.15566944
The only good thing about Halo is all the porn.
353a1c No.15566987
>>15536260
>regenerating health
>only 2 weapons at the time
>guns look like they were made by Matel
>generic as fuck space marine MC
>spawned millons of ripoffs that oversaturated gen 7 with shitty FPSs
>it's succes with tasteles normalfags and Xbots opened the flodgates for online shenanigan implemented into consoles
>online shenanigans that allowed souless megacorps to enact the jewest of busines practices upon their consummers
>didn't even have a decent waifu
d844a8 No.15567298
the only reason halo succeeded is because it is literal israeli propaganda and it gets government funding via AIPAC through Microsoft
90e385 No.15567308
>>15567298
>literal israeli propaganda was fun to dudebros in high school
Explain.
cfd4da No.15567322
>>15536260
Been on xbl since ‘03, was new enough my gamertag’s a dictionary word. Was going to wait till Halo 2 to get on but my cousin got me RTCW as a birthday gift, still probably the most fun ever had playing an FPS. Won’t bother making the console v PC argument (it’s like trying to explain the golden rule to jews) just curious: how hype are you for BO4? Since playing the Blackout beta haven’t been this impatient for a game to come out since Halo 2.
1d5be6 No.15567329
>>15564746
Just because controls aren't perfect doesn't mean they aren't manageable.
da8eea No.15567358
Paid online and there were way too many shitty whiny kids playing, memecraft and fortshite ain't got shit on 2007 halo 3 matchmaking, it was hell unless you actually had friends and invited them to your game.
fde770 No.15567387
>>15567329
You need speed and precision to play an FPS, without the ability to do that, you're not playing the same genre.
Automating away the core mechanic of the genre, then failing to add anything to substitute for it, isn't valid game design, it's con-artistry. Vid related >>15539265
721043 No.15567412
>Regening health
>Auto aim
>2 weapon limit
It was cancer
f1423b No.15567469
>>15536260
>Why did mustards hate Halo so much back in the day?
Because it was the blueprint for almost every piece of consolekiddy garbage that came after it and collectively hamstrung the entire genre into what it is today. It wasn't all that bad (a bit slow and clunky, and lobotomized, maybe, but it was still fun and could have been worse) but on console it was the biggest shooter ever and proved that a "real" 3D shooter was not only doable on consoles but stood to potentially make a fuckton of money from people too poor and/or stupid to get into PC gaming. PC FPS gamers saw which way the wind was blowing and started complaining preemptively about the trend and the game that started it. And they were fucking right.
9f69fb No.15577258
>>15567322
>was new enough my gamertag’s a dictionary word.
You could probably sell that you know.
8a8111 No.15577337
>>15567358
>Halo
>Paid online
Anon I hate to tell you but XBL is what you pay for to go online
>>15567469
That last bit is fan fiction. Then again when you have the memory of a goldfish I'd try to make everyone like me too
23a055 No.15577354
>my argument gets deleted
did i hurt a hotpocket's feelings? goddamn
1d5be6 No.15577361
>>15567387
>You need speed and precision to play an FPS
To play certain FPS at a certain level of competitiveness. You don't NEED a mouse and keyboard to play Doom and have fun with it.
701720 No.15577402
>>15577337
>fan fiction
You wish you underaged faggot.
db9ce6 No.15577515
>>15577361
KB/M is the only way to play a FPS. Why the fuck wouldn't you want a PC that can not only play the same game better, but it can do so much more then just play vidya? Consoles only made sense back in the old days when a PC was still a luxury thing, but a PC is so cheap now it makes no sense. For the same price as a goddamn PS4 you can just buy a cheapo PC that'll do so much more then a PS4 ever can. Console fags are the worst type of fags
1d5be6 No.15577575
>>15577515
Jesus Christ, you aren't getting this at all, are you? I'm not saying a console is the superior way to play an FPS, I'm just saying it doesn't have to be a problem. A game having a version that exists on consoles doesn't have to ruin that game, and can be perfectly enjoyable in it's own right. Quake didn't become a two weapons only health regen cover shooter, just because the N64 and Playstation versions existed. It was fine.
Halo was when people decided console shooters had to be severely dumbed down, and that the PC versions of those games had to suffer for it too. It's not consoles that are the problem. It's not FPS games existing on consoles that is the problem. It's a certain mode of thinking that Halo popularised.
7abd64 No.15577585
Reminder that el dorado is still up and running and is very fun to play
d62346 No.15577715
>>15536268
saved* sorry typo
e6716d No.15578113
8a8111 No.15578214
>>15577575
The problem with your argument is these came to the console after being primarily made for PC. Halo was slated for mac and possibly PC (and dreamcast), but that fell through and microsoft instead gave them 5 months to take their game and make it work on xbox. At that point Halo wasn't released or had been on PC, it was still in development.
>Halo was when people decided console shooters had to be dumbed down
They dumbed them down by putting them on PC. People cite golden eye as a good console shooter, but have you ever tried playing it? aiming was horrible and the game, despite letting you have all the weapons, limited it to a 1 button cycle through. Unless you want to stop the action every 5 seconds to switch to a new gun or if you ran out of ammo.
If Halo had been a one and done in the market people wouldn't bitch about it, problem isn't Halo. It's the endless "Halo killers" that spawned trying to copy the success of the game, the companies, who through corporate greed, thought to make their games just like Halo to get that audience.
>>15577585
Boring when compared to all the content Custom Edition has. Playing 4 maps over and over gets boring, even with the "unlocked" forge that they have it's still just Sapien with a lot of functionality stripped from it
7abd64 No.15578228
>>15578214
It's kind of your only option really if you want to play on PC
8a8111 No.15578258
>>15578228
Not really, H2PC and HCE/HPC are still fairly active and H2PC is a bit better than CE for netcode. Granted the Project Cartographer devs don't try and run any type of Bungie style servers and instead for their own which are pretty much just MLG gametype servers with radar on
1d5be6 No.15578415
>>15578214
I actually played Goldeneye like a week ago. It's still a fun game with a bit of emulator tinkering. No the controls weren't perfect, especially on an N64 controller, but they work. You can play that game and have fun. And yes, I prefer the one button to cycle through weapons solution than just not letting me hold those weapons.
89dd4f No.15578444
>>15536260
halo is shit, if it wasn't a microsoft game nobody would care about it
fde770 No.15578830
>>15577361
It raises the ceiling of the game's design possibilities to the extent playing FPS with anything worse than KB/M cripples the genre, but that's still not Halo's problem. Playing Doom with keyboard only or, to be fair, something like Marathon or Dark Forces where you have to look up & down is merely clunky, because you cannot do precise aim as easily.
Playing Halo (or its ilk) is different, because auto-aim means you cannot do precise aim at all.
>>15578214
Also, a lot of pre-Halo PC-to-console FPS ports on PSX/PS2/DC actually supported KB/M input, making them a legitimate option for poorfags.
85a041 No.15578850
Gaylo killed the FPS genre.
bf214c No.15579008
That is what is happening in Fortnite. Fortnite is just a memeing autistic fagfest filled with SJWs, Discord queers, and little children younger than those who played Halo. Plus I don't care if the jocks in HS bullied you anon, Halo still had great gameplay that still holds up, especially on the PC version. Great lore too.>>15536439
bf214c No.15579009
8a8111 No.15579118
>>15578830
Problem is those are PC to console ports. Looking at the PS1 thing alone it wasn't many and they seemed to be eh. The only one you could argue is Quake II.
bf214c No.15579308
Halo didn't bring casuals in to shit up the PC scene like LoL, Fortnite, and PUBG/Overwatch did. It also was distinctly American. For that you have to give it a pass.
c7c541 No.15579324
>>15578850
It began to die with Goldeneye in the N64 because of consoles. Halo just dealt the killing blow and Half Life 2 raped it's corpse.
b48456 No.15579369
>>15579324
What's your beef with Goldeneye? Too innovative?
2d664e No.15579374
>>15579308
>lol, fortnite, pubg, ov
not just american, chinks love that shit too
7abd64 No.15579400
>>15578258
Those are vista exclusive though,arne't they?
fde770 No.15579515
>>15579308
That was the backwash of 7th-gen falling on its face halfway through. Halo (especially Halo 2 with XBL) was patient-zero for creating the cancer kiddies, then by around 2007-2011 when 7th-gen "relaunched" with casualshit like Kinect/Move because 7th-gen had taken so long for PS3/360 to turn a profit, and by the time they finally did, the recession happened, the console companies were too scared to launch 8th-gen during a recession and any but the absolute most subhuman consolebabbies moved to PC en-masse. By that time, however, Steam provided the perfect vector for consoletards, and it had also started introducing mobileshit elements like lootboxes and multiplayer "progression", as well as old PC genres like FPS having been generally raped full poz from console ports during the 2000s.
d27a4f No.15579699
>>15579324
>goldeneye was part of the reason FPS is dying
I hope I live to see someone on here claim that Doom killed FPS.
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8a8111 No.15579820
>>15579400
Custom Edition and PC is useable on XP at the earliest as far as I can remember. H2V/H2PC is vista nad later and Project Cartographer rips out the GFWL requirement
>>15579515
This reads like a sperg who has only a faint grasp on the english language.
baaf31 No.15579899
It was the first time I got really invested in a franchises lore and that gives me fond memories. Shame we only got three main games out of it but I guess that's better than some spin-off company shitting all over it with bad writing.
That would have been awful.
fde770 No.15579925
>>15579820
Just ask yourself one question: How many of the freemium Hat Fortress 2 players were fresh from Halo and CoDMW?
8a8111 No.15583478
>>15579925
No clue, do you have any charts and facts?