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Tech 4x, recipes 1x, no water, increased biter difficulty

IP: fagtorio.dynu.net:3400

Pass: vidya

Server browser: Fagtorio

Modpack: https://a.uguu.se/bLCLFG7m5D3p_mods.rar

Extract to appdata/Factorio/mods

Modlist:

>RSO

>Rampant with addons

>Autofill

Hover over an entity in the field and CTRL-F to fill it based on your ruleset!

Toggle filling limits on or off with CTRL-SHIFT-F for those times when you want to Fill something without limits.

Toggle dividing fuel/ammo amongst groups of items with CTRL-ALT-F

>Auto Research

>Bottleneck

Hotkey to toggle: SHIFT + ALT + L

>Equipment Hotkeys

F1 to toggle Exoskeletons.

F2 to toggle Personal Roboports.

F8 to toggle Night Vision.

>Even Distribution

>FARL

>GDIW

>Drive Assist

Toggle the driving assistant by pressing [I] , cruise control by [O]

>Picker Extended

Lots of documentation, https://mods.factorio.com/mod/PickerExtended

Most important is CTRL-Q to copy a blueprint of what you hover over with settings and ALT-Q to craft a copy of what you hover over

>Power Armor Mk3

>SpaceMod

>Squeak Through

>Upgrade planner

>Vehicle Grid

>Vehicle Snap

SHIFT-V toggles snap/freedrive

>Armor Reach

Better armor gives you longer reach

>WaterWell

>>15526495

What's wrong with vanilla?

>>15529872

With these mods it's almost vanilla, they're almost all QoL stuff. Only SpaceMod and maybe the water pumps actually change gameplay somewhat. And drive assist, that makes roads actually useful.

>>15529897

>new OP power armor tier

>mostly qol

>>15529907

>late game

>Rampant makes xenos more difficult to fight

>>15529919

Well, once you can launch 1 rocket 20 of them isn't much harder.

On the other hand once you have space science you have absurdly long ranged artillery to do all of your clearing for you anyway, so I don't see the problem.

>>15526495

>Auto Research

wat

>>15530470

You can queue research with it, can also automatically select shit to research when you momentarily don't care about what's being researched.

>>15530476

Tbh, i haven't even beat vanilla yet.

>auth is enabled

Faggot

>>15530485

It shouldn't be, you just need password, "vidya"

>>15530730

Wew, I'll reupload to MEGA, give me a few minutes

>>15526495

>>15530730

MODPACK REUPLOAD

https://mega.nz/#!ssR1wKrS!dlumhbLtNi5WBnTlcmPC0ongYNRr6lSCt0Pd7XO4C5U

>>15530775

Thanks bro.

>>15526495

>/v/ can't play a game without atleast 25 mods

>>15532253

i'm downloading this now i'll be on in half an hour.

why does the vehicle feel like it has a 2000ms lag?

>>15532491

MP vehicles have rubberbanding.

>>15532606

Power is power, anon. Would you have preferred steam stored in tanks?

>>15532653

Accumulators have only 50% conversion efficiency so yes.

>>15532712

The great thing about Factorio is that efficiency doesn't matter - you just throw more shit at a bottleneck until it fixes itself

>>15532585

Perfectly reasonable for a base defended by lasers.

>>15532253

>>15532487

Most people who have played so far were europoors, including me. Might have more luck around euro afternoon.

>>15532606

The accumulators are only supposed to engage for lasers if/when we get multiple attacks

>>15532712

What? Accumulators are 100% efficient.

The only place you lose energy in vanilla factoria is boilers, which are 50% efficient.

Well I had fun

>>15534380

this

>>15529919

>200 low density structure

Is it an entire fucking mech suit? Because that would actually be really cool.

>>15534661

>you become a mech the size of a train locomotive and can flatten enemy bases by running through them

sold

>>15534861

lab speed is irrelevant, just build more labs. it's a waste of science

>>15534872

y not both?

>>15534872

That's some jew logic.

>>15535227

Why do some people have this mentality that the resources have to keep moving?

>>15535227

i saw that too but stopped myself from tearing it down.

>>15535329

You clog shit up by doing that, you need to make sure it stops somewhere at least. I think anyway, I remember making lots of loop when I first played and it fucked me over, then I didn't make loops and I was fine

also loops ruin the material per side thing too

ELECTRIC INSERTERS ARE NOT FOR STEAM POWER

>>15535370

Coal inserters can't keep up at max speed as far as I remember

>>15535370

y not?

>>15535476

wat

>>15535397

then don't run red belts.

>>15535370

Electric inserters > shit inserters

>>15536093

up until power goes out and then power really goes out when inserters stop inserting into the steam power. and then you get butt-raped by goyim

there really should be a mod that replaces biters with niggers for a pure african experience.

Just put electric and burner inserters on every boiler, christ

bobs and angels for max fun when

>>15537083

Maybe Christmas

>>15534396

Yes

>>15537207

Same tech as artillery.

>>15537313

Thanks.

>>15536383

If you're not a retard and use circuits to warn you when fuel is on its way to shit, you can have enough time to fix it before your power goes offline in the first place. No need for nigger inserters.

>>15536873

>just use twice as much UPS

How do I avoid stagnating early-midgame?

I know what I'm doing and how to hook shit up, but it feels like making a large chain of furnaces eats up a huge amount of time, and then I feel like I'm always way far behind getting oil and blue science

>>15538878

i usually stagnate after getting purple science and blue belt production up. about the point when nuclear power becomes increasing effective and drones are needed for significant expansion. i don't even know how to set up a nuclear reactor, i've stopped 4 games right before that point

>>15538907

Best way to make a compact and effective nuclear plant requires bots. Each water pump can feed 20 boilers, each boiler can feed 2 steam engines. I usually have 4 pumps feeding steam engine lines by the point I attempt to use uranium. All of this can be easily fed by solid fuel made from light oil. Heavy oil should only produce what lubricant you need, use pumps and circuits to have a reserve of heavy oil in case your lube factory requires suddenly an increase of usage (10k is usually what I keep as reserve). all other heavy oil needs to be converted into light oil. Light oil then can be massively used to produce solid fuel, which is far more effective than coal as fuel. Once that is done, continue building and look at the wiki for the explanation on how nuclear power plants exactly work. Then have fun making something shitty at first and eventually figuring out how the fuck it works best. More detailled explanations would be a clusterfuck for me to make without images and I'm certainly not gonna make a screencap from one of my multiple games.

I've launched many rockets in many different settings, have over 500 hours played. Nowadays I have a hard time playing only vanilla, preferring the challenge of angelbob.

>>15539089

No and it's a terrible design.

>>15539089

>not wanting expandability

>>15539267

there's already a train depot at the base

>>15539089

You can never have enough stack space.

>>15537775

Same here. My goals are to have fun, to make cool shit, to get as much stuff moving around on belts as possible because it looks neat and belts are the one thing that separate Factorio from every other similar game. But almost everyone who plays the game is "muh min/max!".

The perfect way to summarize this is: literally everyone makes green circuits by doing the perfect ratio of three copper cable assemblers direct-feeding into two green circuit assemblers. But I hate direct-feeding. It just feels so cheaty; why not just download a mod that lets you make circuits in a single assembler, then? So I always put copper cables on belts. SHITTONS of copper cables, whisking along by the goddamn thousands whenever I grab a stack of level 3 modules and the entire factory kicks into high gear to replenish that supply. "Why would you do this?" everyone asks. "It's so inefficient!" Well, FUCK your efficiency! If you're so concerned with min/maxing things why are you wasting time playing a video game? Why not just type assembler ratios into goddamned excel and make a perfectly efficient spreadsheet?

So yeah. I play alone. Same with everything else.

>>15539714

>My goals are to have fun

Where do you think we are right now

>>15539714

>So I always put copper cables on belts

But seriously, it doesn't have to be min/max, it has to be common sense. One copper bar becomes two cables, therefore, it's a much better idea to transport the bar and then make the wire at the site that you need it.

Sure you could do the 5:2 ratio for wire, but that ratio changes on expensive mode. And even then, on normal mode, a 1:1 is just fine - you can make multiple low-powered assemblers into green chips with the tradeoff being that it's easier to make 50 of them in a row than it is to tinker with perfect efficiency.

You don't have to be perfect, just not an idiot

>>15539714

>direct-feeding. It just feels so cheaty

You can't direct feed everything because assemblers take so much space. There's many different designs for expensive mode green circuits because you can't easily fit 5 assemblers next to one. Belts are the boring solution to me because then every setup becomes the same; feed from a straight line of stuff and output into a straight line of stuff.

>if you like coming up with optimized designs then you're playing wrong!

Brainlets go away. Making things smaller and faster and more efficient is what makes it fun. Otherwise you're just shutting off your brain and slapping things in a line.

> Once that is done, continue building and look at the wiki for the explanation on how nuclear power plants exactly work.

>reading guides in a game about thinking

Next you'l tell me you copy paste designs as well.

>>15539915

How do reactors work? I haven't played factorio in probably over a year.

>>15539918

Get in the game and have fun figuring it out my man.

>>15539920

good man

>>15539951

Ignoring the point of what ever you are trying to make. Tell me, the fuck is feeding the copper wire machines?

>>15539714

I thought you were gonna complain about how people lay out train stations and smelters for single-percentile gains of efficiency or speed, not "I want to build things wrong on purpose"

>>15539951

This demonstrates the issue really well, you have 6 assemblers doing the work of 5. The third green assembler there doesn't save any space, power or resources, doesn't improve modularity, it serves no purpose whatsoever.

>>15540046

Me for now. I've run the belt lines over to it now. Early on, you can drop stacks and it's not a problem.

>>15540080

>Me for now.

But. How can you claim a "compact" design, if you haven't even automated everything yet?

I mean it's natural that a design is more compact, if you are doing the function of certain components.

>Early on, you can drop stacks and it's not a problem.

Early on nothing is a problem in theory, but really automate that shit fast senpai.

>>15540078

>This demonstrates the issue really well, you have 6 assemblers doing the work of 5.

The guy is in the early stages, where you really only need a stop gap measure, not a perfect solution.

>>15539300

The base train depot is shit, small, and has no place to expand into.

What I made gives us a centralized smelting location that we can train in copper ore and train plates back to base. Was gonna mirror it to the right for Iron too.

>>15544561

>solar panels taking up space

fucking hippies

>>15539865

>Human touch

>On a planet where there is only a single autistic engineer (or multiple in multiplayer)

Aestheticism in a factory is for women and fags. Efficiency and death to all hippy biters above all.

>>15544749

What else are you supposed to do with former forests, land-filled lakes, empty resource patches, dry oil-fields, and ruined xenos hives?

>>15545077

Efficiency is aesthetic. Efficient, clean-cut paths, superb automation, and no risk of losing time

>>15545088

put beacons around boilers powering steam engines which power the beacons, and fuel with trees; for extra pollution.

>>15540078

>Not doing things my way is wrong

If the factory still works, what's the problem?

>>15546166

>Efficiency is aesthetic

You only think that because of lasting effects of the CIA brainwashing the American public into thinking modern art was superior to Soviet impressionist art. I bet you think a blank canvas in a frame is the ultimate form of artistic expression, because it's the maximum possible efficiency.

>>15547029

>modern art was superior to Soviet impressionist art.

To be honest both suck ass compared to what was made between the Renaissance and the industrial revolution. Not to mention, Anglos always were terrible artists and Russians were practically copying the French before they got fucked by Marxist propaganda.

Can i join with pirated game?

>>15547575

Yes, should be possible. Just don't forget the modpack.

>>15548723

>two copper trains

Remove the second shorter one, that platform isn't designed to handle it. Gotta build another unload elsewhere.

>>15548767

Yep, need to build an empty place to stack trains without blocking the in-track, like the copper smelter has

Why isn't there a "sync mods with server" feature like for singleplayer maps? Getting my mods setup here is aids.

In the future I think it'd be easier for the server owner to just upload a save from his map, I find it much simpler to hit "Sync mods with save" and be done with it.

Anyways, new faggot here joining shortly. Never played on multiplayer before though I have launched a rocket in vanilla. This should be interesting.

>>15550683

>mods

I usually just move the whole old mod folder/rename it, then make a new one for the actual server

>interesting

It's endless spaghetti

>>15537259

we're going to be fucked when computers stop working

people are too retarded to design these things now.

inb4 deleting empty chunks spawns new hives inside the walls

i just got angelbob's going; how the fuck do people do this with rampant?

it takes so long to even get iron going your not getting the first unlock of science going to automate before biters start attacking and then it's over. do people with angelbob's just turn down rampant? i'm also playing with deathworld marathon but with rampant i think it ignores the vanilla biter settings anyway so it's probably just the same as marathon.

i expected it to be hard but not impossible.

>>15550805

Every time

>>15550849

>i just got angelbob's going; how the fuck do people do this with rampant?

Swiftly

>>15551022

Alternatively, start on an island

Since were basically done and all of the fucking ore outside our base has magically vanished, would anyone like to do a huge angelbob modpack? it ought to keep us occupied for a while and theres biter breeding or some shit as well.

if I host it later my server performance should be vastly better than the current, assuming I can forward ports and all that on my current device.

>>15554142

whats with all the faggy colors?

>>15555745

Mods are gay.

>>15555745

>not enjoying the daily dose walls

>>15554477

>all this shit and zero defenses

>>15554477

The lake is laughing at you.

>>15555938

I had turrets and ammo ready to go. I usually run off to the first attack and shoot them dead then reinforce with turrets. At most i lose a building and then im good to go. Didnt expect rampant to do 4 waves all at once so

>>15557732

What is this Rampant exactly?

>>15557834

makes the ai behave more intelligently

>>15557834

A mod that improves AI, makes the aliens probe defences and retreat if they suffer too many casualties

>>15557871

it has flaws

BTW I had a closer look at the walls. The cloud they spawn heals 80 damage every 50 frames, or 96 HP/sec, and last 500 frames. They stack with adjacent walls but also with themselves, since each attack has a separate chance of spawning clouds. A wall can tank basically anything if you stand behind it and tickle it with SMG fire.

Healing radius is 4. Assuming it's part of a a five tile thick wall, a mending wall is within the healing radius of 42 of its neighbors, which means it can heal for up to 4128 HP/second for every single attack that triggers clouds.

For comparison, behemoth biters have 3750 HP.

>>15557851

>>15557853

What does more intelligence have to do against my perfect defense? 100IQ or 200IQ they will still lose.

>>15559408

whats the point of autistically restarting all the time instead of just playing it out?

Do you think Biters have horsecocks? Just asking for a friend

Ha ha

>>15559727

>whats the point of autistically restarting all the time instead of just playing it out?

I don't like to play over multiple sessions if I can help it. I've seen speedrunners get a rocket in under 3.5 hours, and there's the achievement for <8h launch. I'm not actively working towards it, but I like to be able to make sure I'm focusing on proper automation and not just dicking around without purpose

>>15529919

I've never really gotten past purple science (which I guess is the grey one now?), what the fuck does your lab inserter setup look like with 6 different science types?

I used to do 2 rows of conveyors, each carrying two different science types, with a normal and extended inserter for each lab

>>15562742

>what the fuck does your lab inserter setup look like with 6 different science types? I used to do 2 rows of conveyors, each carrying two different science types, with a normal and extended inserter for each lab

Aside from >>15565373 (which was a moment of inspiring genius on my part), you can braid belts. 1 lane with blue and red undergrounds and another lane with blue.

When you need 7 packs its simplest to just have bots handle it, feeding each lab with requester chests.

>>15566674

gg no re

>>15562742

I just dump all research on one belt that fill a box. And said box is linked to inserters at the research production to keep it filled as needed.

>>15566800

>Loop for no reason

Actually you're right. I can't remember why I did the loop. It looks hella cool and it took me a while to figure out how to merge it back in, but ultimately yeah, wow it's shit

I want to dump radioactive waste in lakes or bury it in a forest, causing massive mutations and possibly stronger/weaker enemies.

I want large amounts of radiation to damage electric equipment, so you would constantly have to find new spots to dump your radioactive waste, and building over a radioactive dump would require you to use more materials by adding radiation shielding to the fabricators. I want nuclear power to actually be a challenge.

>>15547005

That's going to put a strain on your coal/solid fuel supply. And I want to build a massive storage facility of cargo wagons filled with coal just to burn them down because my nuclear plants are producing more than enough power for all of my facilities.

>>15567885

I would like to see a lowtech mod that needs a bit more effort to get an offshore pump. I mean, it seems like an electrical item, but it just generates nearly infinite water. You should have to make a shitty generator before getting steam going. Also, wooden belts which run at half speed, would be amusing.

And then the other thing I want is waste management, stuff like slag that needs to be remelted, etc

>>15567913

>byproducts

well that sounds fun. would it defeat the purpose of being waste if you could for example turn slag into concrete?

>>15567924

No, because the game kinda grows exponentially. Remember how awful it was to have your heavy/light oil build up while you were a beginner? It'd be kinda like that, you'd have to clear slag from furnaces and scrap metal from assemblers, for example, and a recycling plant would turn them into appropriate intermediates

>>15567881

Yes.

It's the way you are doing it now. You smelt it just like any other ore, except you feed it with iron plates. The only "improvement" you can make is messing around with splitters to create a fairer ratio of iron used for smelting to iron used in your factory.

>>15567881

Unless you're using electric furnaces you can just direct insert. 1 iron furnace = 1 steel furnace.

>>15568014

I've been trying to do furnace pairs, but I run into a problem with fuel. My issue is being able to do it with just small powerlines, since I want to get steel set up quickly

>>15568037

1 steel plate takes 5 iron and takes 5x as long as iron. One furnace feeding directly into another is the perfect ratio for the setup. Ideally you go directly furnace to furnace. You should have space for the two belts for ore and fuel on one side of the pairs of furnaces and the two belts for steel and fuel on the other side.

>>15568014

>>15568037

This is not a great design because it doesn't deal with overflow well. If you have smelters combined this way, when you have enough steel, the whole smelter is inactive. Meanwhile if you have a separate iron block and belt iron plates to a steel block, in case of enough steel, the iron smelter can still act as an iron smelter.

>>15568067

Doesn't really matter if you don't have enough belts to carry the iron, and if you did you might as well have extra dedicated iron smelter to saturate them, etc.

>>15567955

recycling is my fetish

need to get an angelbobs multiplayer server going.

if only i had a computer fast enough to do it and internet that was good enough.

imagine that's what everyone says

>>15568761

… i'm working on it….

>>15568147

>not taking up as much space as possible to justify relocating xenos as your factory expans

Do you not want to remove xenos from your rightfully owned land?

>>15569533

it always blows my mind seeing other people's designs when I make the same designs over and over again thinking i've found the optimal layout, it's the only layout, and there's no point tweaking it further.

>>15570888

To be fair, I aped some of this design from a speedrunner. I found I always get bogged down in the early game and he just spams so many burner drills (like 40) and this massive chain of furnaces, so I've tried to copy some of that.

>>15568770

This pisses me off to no end. The science packs spend so much time in the arms rather than being used despite being right there for use and backed up on the belts.

>>15570985

>not enjoying the LED strip effects

>>15571061

Then use lamps

>>15570985

I think that's the point. It was not a serious suggestion I hope

>>15576119

If your belts are up to capacity, then it will self-balance.

>>15576064

Yeah military is hungry, it eats almost as much iron as blue and more copper+coal. Combined they'll eat 4,6 yellow belts worth of iron. It might be worth buffering military instead of producing it full scale since you don't actually need it that often compared to blue, unless you're playing masochist death world.

>>15576119

It's nice to see people making their own designs, but in the end this tends to be why all factories end up as a bunch of long lines, because it's easy to expand and feed more input into a line.

can i run this game on my 3.0ghz core2duo 4gb ram radeon hd 3400?

>>15577740

Should be fine.

>>15577804

nice. i have alot of trouble playing 3D games, and many newer games are hard blocked even though i can run much more advanced older games. i usually get an error message sayingf something like i dont have whatever shader version or dx version is required.

im going to try to torrent it tonight. im not really interested in modding, i just need something to satisfy my autism.

>>15577830

just remember to tweak the graphics settings, there's a bunch of options. it's not gpu intensive but you might not get a clean 60fps with something that old.

you'll find out sooner or later with the cpu when you start loosing UPS with more shit.

contrary to popular opinion the best designs are the most UPS efficient designs, nothing else matters.

>>15577830

what a lot of people do is turn off biters/enemies completely because that is a large cpu/UPS hog. i think this goes too far though. you strip out half of the game.

>>15578068

that would remove almost all of the challenge and fun for me.

>>15578064

i dont have a ups?? are you referring to something in-game?

>>15578097

>i dont have a ups??

shit nigga, you need at least a 3 gigajoule UPS to handle this game. you'd better sort that out.

>>15578097

Its under F4 debug options or something

>>15578097

He's talking about updates per second. Biters are a pretty heavy load on those, especially if they're inside your pollution cloud. If you want to have them turned on, play on a map with a lot of water and push your walls out far enough that there aren't hives left under the cloud.

>>15578207

oh good. because my garage is full of water and im not going down there again. my neighbor will just have to deal with their mysteriously high electric bill.

how do I into planning

I always wind up with horrible spaghetti before I even have my first automation line going, and it's so much easier to just start a new game than it is to rip everything up

>>15578242

you can try to plan ahead and think you only need so much bus space but every time you do and build on both sides of the bus you get fucked later in the game.

my bus on angelbobs is already 20 lanes deep and i can see it going much larger.

>>15578242

that actually helps a lot, thanks

>>15578240

>not having a perfectly square cloud

>>15578255

this whole time playing factorio and i've never flipped the smelting.

this changes the game.

>>15578273

especially with angelbob's i've been trying to figure out how i'm going to do it. trying to smash all the intermediate shit in between the smelting and the bus. flipping it sideways may fix this problem.

>>15578416

if youre using angelbobs youre better off outsourcing smelting and raw material processing in general to external dedicated bases

>>15578216

Trash factory. Your first factory, the one you build to get up to speed with trains and shit, is trash. Treat it like trash. Build it like trash. It's a big, inefficient, ugly whore whose only purpose in life is to scrape and burn and smoke from 1st gear to 2nd gear.

Your REAL factory is what you build after that. Your REAL factory is planned, and has resources trucked in from distant locations via trains. It's ordered, pristine, beautiful, and smooth running. Once your REAL factory is built, you are free to reclaim land by fucking torching the old one.

>>15578743

Also: The fact that any adjacent iron patch probably has like 4-6x the amount you start with just shows your initial base isn't enough gravy

>>15568770

>building massive strips like a tard.

>not building chad infinity triangle.

i'm downloading the game. never played it before. im currently downloading 0.16.51, which according to the site is the latest stable build.

>>15579910

>building virgin triangles instead of chad squares

>>15580724

So a few things:

>You want to launch a rocket, which takes research. The goal then, is to automate production of Science Packs without your intervention so things keep happening on their own

>You need iron and copper to make most things, coal for fuel, and stone for furnaces. Wood is used for power lines. You will need a lot more iron than copper to start.

>Red Science pack takes an iron product (gears) and raw copper bars, while Green Chips take a copper product (wire) and raw iron bars. The two are analogous to each other, but for some reason it took me a long time to realize this. Just sayin'.

>Producing things creates pollution. Pollution dissipates into nearby regions. This causes the native Biters to swarm and attack you. If you're mucking about, not a big deal, but depending on how fast you expand, it could take 30 minutes, or it could take 2 hours.

You really should play the tutorial for one or two maps until you "get it", then move onto freeplay and random maps

Also I had a really bad automation my first win, and it took me 50 hours to launch. Let's see how you do.

>>15580724

TBH first thing you should do is craft a pickaxe and hit the alt key (toggles showing settings/contents for entities). Also, start using red ammo when the blue ayys start showing up, they're pretty armored.

>>15580937

Oh yeah, you can set the graphics way low and it'll still run fairly well. I ran it just fine on a refurb T420 thinkpad

When a belt says it transfers 13.33 item/s, is that 13 per lane, or total?

>>15581114

Total.

>>15581114

Specifically, items are 9 pixels wide and yellow belts move at 60 pixels per second, so you get 6,666… per second for each lane.

Also if you want to autistically math out production, keep in mind that blue assemblers work at 3/4 speed, so from their perspective the belts are moving at 17,777… items/second. This can save a bunch of pointless converting back and forth if you're doing long production chains.

>>15580937

Don't waste time on the tutorial or the campaign, they're shit and no fun.

>>15579964

You don't need to throw everything on the bus, just commonly needed ingredients. Belts absolutely shouldn't go there, set up a self-contained yellow->red->blue assembly section that stockpiles what you need in chests. Copper wires are generally unwise to throw on the bus since 1 copper plate = 2 copper wire, meaning it requires less throughput to belt the copper and make the wire next to whatever needs it.

>>15581317

I treat craft speed as irrelevant because everything is crafted that fast, thus it becomes an invariant. If anything it just makes yellow belts better.

is it generally more efficient to have one gigantic power plant feeding everything, or to have one small plant per factory?

>>15584944

Power travels instantly, it's easier to just have one big grid and throw more shit at it

>>15584944

The only efficiency instance is nuclear, which gains a +100% bonus for each adjacent reactor. Otherwise you could literally have every building on a separate grid powered by its own boiler/engine if you wanted.

Bump

angelbob's multiplayer server when

>>15589266

When you set one up.

>>15589266

I currently don't have the 3 weeks to waste

>>15585482

You should re-consider trains. They're wonky at first but once you get your first full freight load of iron plates streaming into the bus with another a mile away being filled up you'll see the value.

>>15585482

I haven't played since they changed the science packs, but back in the day, by endgame something like HALF your factory was dedicated to nothing but making fucktons of circuits.

So, it's just a guess, but I think you might need more circuits.

>>15593933

Yeah, now that I've hit purple and yellow science, the demand for red chips and speed modules is high, and therefore green chips

So uh

Why do barrels exist? It seems like using a fluid train is faster and easier, and chained underground pipes is foolproof

>>15598327

They're from a time before fluid train existed. You had to use them to deliver liquids on trains.

>>15598327

A blue belt of barrels = 2000 fluid/s, only obtainable by pipes if you literally put a pump between every under ground. A belt of barrels can be split up into as many different liquids as you like, pipes can only carry one thing. Belts also can be placed side by side, pipes will mix and interfere. Belts can also be walked/driven over while pipes block movement.

UPS can be better by avoiding some fluid calculations.

Barrels can be carried by bots.

For vanilla I wouldn't really bother with barrels but for something like bobs+angels it turns complex fluid distribution and balancing into a very easy problem when you can just throw bots at it. But there's also certainly valid use cases to design something with barrels in vanilla.

>>15598394

The only thing you missed was:

You can store more fluid in boxes full of barrels than you can in tanks.

>>15598990

This is what autosaves are for fam.

>>15598665

See now this is an instance in which you could more efficiently bus barrels of stuff as I mentioned here >>15598394

Also the most disgusting part of that is your sloppy hotbar

>>15600148

It was online, in >>15526495 .

At least I like having round numbers, so I knew when I managed to get all of a certain variety of item back together.

>>15600248

>Left to right

>>15600248

But what if you need splitters and undergrounds, anon?

>>15598665

Lad your green chip production looks a bit starved

>>15600248

>>15601222

>Not having an entire quarter of your factory dedicated to building products like belts/inserters/walls/turrets strictly for stockpiling resources for expansions and outposts

I bet you still craft splitters by hand.

>>15606368

>Playing after the rocket launch

>>15606443

>not playing at 3 UPS

i've seen reddit faggots post videos of their base and some of these people actually play at 3-5 ups

>>15607179

I bet these are the same faggots that play DF at <20 FPS and unironically think losing is fun

anyone got a pirated version? I'm not buying this shit for $30

>>15607420

It has a demo.

I'm about to start a game. Does anyone wanna play?

>>15607700

if the devs didnt want casuals whining to dumb things down they would simply not listen to them. but we know that doesn't happen because reddit cries for x thing and gets it.

>>15607816

therefore just keep faggots out and dont pollute your community feedback with retards

>>15607700

>you're not the intended audience if you want to get the game on sale to save money

What kind of corporate brainwashing did you get exposed to? Jesus Christ this is some grade-A retardation.

>>15607688

If they cranked up the price to $40 and put it on a permanent sale 25% off, would you buy it?

>>15607871

This is a game that you can and will get hundreds of hours out of, not a AAA streamlined cinematic experience that lasts 6 hours and still costs $60, and then two years later goes on sale for 50% off. The $20 they were asking initially was outright cheap, and the current $30 is still perfectly reasonable.

And you can pirate it and get 100% functionality, even play multiplayer and play with mods, the only gateway they ever put in was that downloading mods from their site requires an account. But if you just get someone who owns the game to download the mods for you, it will still work just fine.

>>15607742

Mite b cool. Mods?

>>15607974

And has nothing to do with what I replied to.

>The $20 they were asking initially was outright cheap

I'll be the judge of that.

>>15608373

After seeing your green circuit setup, I threw up a little in my mouth. You attempt at forcing the output of 10+ shore pumps through a single pipeline dozens of segments long defies both factorio physics and good taste. The arrangement of miners hints at schizophrenia. The numbers of assemblers dedicated to each task shows a distinct disregard for production ratios and the word of god. The refinery is legitimate nightmare fuel: The only reason water isn't flooding into the oil tanks is because the setup is too small to keep up with the oil supply. 8/10 it's alright - IGN.

>>15608197

>I'll be the judge of that.

You won't do shit. You're the kind of retard who will whine that it never goes on sale then cries because it isn't a 6 hour polished turd sold normally for 60$.

>>15607974

>$20 they were asking initially was outright cheap, and the current $30 is still perfectly reasonable.

$20 is an acceptable price for it now, when it was $20 it was more worth like $15. Factorio is the kind of game that relies on the player's imagination to make it fun. For comparison, I got Minecraft, the ur-autistic "imagination" game, when it was ~$10 back in the beta stage. Even today with all the bloat features it has its still $27 dollars. A $30 dollar pricetag for a game like this with such a streamlined development is hubris. Its a "hobbyist tax" applied to digital goods. You have absolutely no sense of perspective and you don't get anything for sucking the dev's cock here.

>>15608521

What kind of retard are you with this kind of projection? Go blow yourself somewhere else.

>>15608570

>$20 is an acceptable price for it now, when it was $20 it was more worth like $15.

Have your bots build one of these when you pirate it. You've earned it, my fellow aryan.

https://pastebin.com/sZZSJYR0

>>15608490

>green circuit setup made me barf

Which one? :)

>forcing water through a single pipeline

I'm new and don't know the physics, pls explain

>complete disregard for ratios

I'm new, what's a good resource to find this shit out?

>schizophrenic placement of miners

I didn't want to waste electric miners so i spread them out in a retarded way to cover the whole space with as few miners as possible

>oil refinery is nightmare fuel

I'll organise it next game dad

>>15608696

>>15608490

Also, how can i adjust this mess so that certain solid resources aren't shoved into a single pipeline?

>inb4 PURGE IN HOLY FIRE!

>>15607962

Legally if a product is always on sale, it has to lose the sale price and have it's base price adiusted, because otherwise its false advertising

>>15608696

>I'm new and don't know the physics, pls explain

Every entity has one fluidbox, regardless of whether it's a pipe, underground pipe, boiler etc. Every frame the game tries to equalize the pressure between adjacent fluidboxes somewhat, and the amount transferred is proportional to the current difference in fluid level. So a pump can't force fluids to move, all they can do is fill up the pipe they're connected to.

Pipes can hold 100 fluid, so a completely full pipe next to a completely empty one will move 50 fluid per frame. If there's another empty pipe after that, it will get half of the 50 fluid next frame, etc. This means there's an exponential falloff as you add more pipes, regardless of how many pumps you have at the source, so most people try to use underground pipes where ever possible.

>I'm new, what's a good resource to find this shit out?

calc.exe. There's also a mod called helmod that helps you plan stuff but I've never used it.

>>15608771

I had a brainfart last night trying to figure out how many green assemblers I needed per red assembler

>>15608771

Thanks mate, I'll figure this shit out and get back to ya.

But what's wrong with my circuit setup?

>>15608862

I meant specifically the south one. Since each circuit needs 3 copper cable and cable assemblers make 2 in the time it takes to make 1 circuit, there's no reason to dump them on belts instead of just dumping them directly into the circuit assembler, let alone to have more circuit assemblers than cable assemblers. Indeed, most people use a setup where 3 cable assemblers dump directly into 2 circuit assemblers.

>>15608924

If you care about ratios go 3 copper wires for 2 green circuits and use 2 inserters on the middle copper wire assembler so it can go to both circuit assemblers.

>>15609088

My build is not retarded, it's simple to set up and scales very well. Instead of tinkering with placement, you just throw down more to get more throughput, the only cost is the additional machinery, so waste is a non issue. This technique is used by speedrunners as well, who can do 100% achievement runs in <7 hours.

If you're going for a rocket launch and stopping, bots are a huge waste of time and resources

>>15607816

>because reddit cries for x thing and gets it.

reddit had a meltdown when the factorio twitter account posted that leftists should all be shoah'd in their rune language

>>15609212

>the only cost is the additional machinery

<the only cost is additional UPS

this is heresy

>>15609463

>Become a redditor

To me sounds the same as "Become HIV-positive"

>>15607420

>not buying a good game at a fair price

>doesn't know the pirate version is available literally everywhere

It's that 24th chromosome that does all the damage huh.

>>15609615

We should come up with an 8chan equivalent. Something like, "jiggers!"

>>15609628

whoa *slowly backs away* okay, yikes. your opinion slightly contradicts my own world view. yeah, nope.

>>15609663

>*slowly backs away*

and thats a good thing

>>15607742

if someone wants to get a server up over the weekend i'm down

>>15609650

>skyrim

>that fucking opinion

Put this cuck to the sword.

>>15609678

>y'all

damn yankees trying to subvert southern words

>>15609650

>Star Wars Episode 8

>"it wasn't just very cool, it was like really cool"

>"it was some of the best Star Wars I've ever seen"

>said while playing Skyrim

Episode 8 annihilated any remaining enthusiasm I had for Star Wars. I took down my posters and sold all my shit. I care so little now I can't even be bothered to get mad about it. It's just like Mass Effect for me after playing through ME3... that game is shit even without the tri-color ending, but fuck me that ending is something else.

>>15609678

You forgot sweetie

>>15609765

>Leftists are terrified of holding a strong opinion that someone could respond negatively to.

Have you been living under a rock for the last several years?

>>15609772

sweetie is already in there

above y'all

>>15609765

but you just unironically described the right wingers just now, they are the ones that jump on you with all the incel rage the second you tell them their orange god is a fraud, even though the entire point of him getting elected was the memes, they've started to smoke their own dope

>>15609650

I really do hate that clip, he later retracted that statement saying he was on a high and realized the movie is garbage

but hey, enjoy watching whoever you do

>>15610073

Holy fucking shit. Some large hadron collider shit going on… El Psy Kongroo.

>>15609678

Actually NPC is a meme that the left is screeching about as if it were a war crime

>>15609628

Bold of you to assume Reddit came up with them :^)

>>15610637

it is a fucking war crime. pot calling the kettle black.

>>15609490

>No game company should want to be associated with this sort of behaivor, no matter how much "exposure" he gave them.

Well I am sure they won't mind giving back all the money they go through this persons racist exposure, right?

Holy shit even with a car, this desert is fucking me for nests. It's all weak shit, so my best option is to just hide low until I have lasers and tech up hard

>>15613435

Just, like, run circles around them while shooting/dropping nades.

>>15613468

Post factory I wanna see this

>>15613411

>left and right is a "pol" meme

>torposter

Lurk two years before posting.

>>15613517

we should just replace the capicha with an iq test and force a 90+ score

>>15613391

>bottleneck mod

i was testing this and that mod actually uses more damn UPS than the rest of the entire game sometimes. press F5 and look at the debug, it'll list the scripts that are sucking ups

not going to matter until late game and/or your on a toaster but if it cuts your ups in literal half it's going to matter at some point.

>>15613545

you can solve bottlenecking yourself easily too simply by checking belt saturation and if any machines need to wait to be filled for more than a second or two.

>>15613651

ya that's why i'm not using it on my current map. it's cool but not if it's such an ups hog, and i'm sure it only gets worse as you expand as it has to iterate through everything.

do repair packs work on broken hearts yet?

>>15613545

>>15613808

>>15613651

That's a shame. I haven't hit any problems with it yet, thankfully, but then I do stay small and cozy with my factories.

They could optimize it pretty easily. For example, do something instead of making it an entity system. It seems like it only affects production buildings (assemblers, chem plants, etc). If they made it only check a chunk once every 16 updates, it still updates 5 times a second, which is plenty fast for it to be useful, without bogging everything down. It could even do a round robin update for the chunks, so you don't get processor spikes

>>15598990

For future reference, you can right click the deconstruction planner to set filters, for example so you can mark shit on the ground to be grabbed by bots.

Makes those "inventory explosion" moments a breeze to cleanup, as long as you're far enough in to have bots.

>>15608570

>A $30 dollar pricetag for a game like this with such a streamlined development is hubris.

What the fuck is this even supposed to mean? How does having a "streamlined development" have anything to do with the value of a product? The answer is nothing, and you must be retarded for thinking so. The price of a product should be based on its value, and value in the case of a video game is all about quantity (average gameplay/replayability) and quality (how fun is it?) of the entertainment it provides.

Spending $30 on Factorio gets you:

>a DRM-free PC game with zero telemetry, no microtransactions or paid DLC. Complete experience out of the box, 1 gig and runs smooth as butter even on toasters

>access to a free and lively open-source modding community, with several mods overhauling huge swathes of the game

>75 hours gameplay for the average players' first full playthrough, and with mods/multiplayer this can easily be hundreds of hours of entertainment total

>no poz, no rainbow-haired devs in sight. Quite the opposite in fact, going by moments like this >>15609490

Factorio has to be the most consumer-friendly game on the market right now. I hardly ever buy games, and I pirated Factorio to start with, but after my first run I didn't mind paying $30 for it in order to support devs like Kovarex.

>Factorio is the kind of game that relies on the player's imagination to make it fun

I completely disagree with this statement. While Factorio does require the player to get creative, and it's definitely not for brainlets, I'd classify it more as a puzzle game with sandbox elements. You have a clear goal and a winning state (launching the rocket), and the path towards that objective is defined by a tech tree that keeps you very well-engaged from start to finish. You don't need "imagination" to enjoy Factorio, just enough intelligence to solve the logistical puzzles it puts in front of you, much like how a strategy game makes you solve tactical puzzles. This isn't Minecraft, everything you build in Factorio actually has a practical use and cosmetic items are almost non-existent (outside mods). If you think Factorio is primarily an "imagination game", you've completely misunderstood its appeal.

>>15614234

No, but fish might.

>>15614278

>>15613545

There's a hotkey to turn bottleneck on and off. It's not meant to be on all the time in a huge game, it's more there for sandbox mode while you're prototyping a design.

Also it supposedly processes a limited batch of machines at a time to avoid any noticable performance hit on large bases:

>* Number of machines updated per game tick (Default is 40, i.e. 40 machines/tick * 60 ticks/second=2400 machines/second). This ensures that the mod uses the same amount of time per tick on a small factory as on a large one, but as the factory gets larger, the lights update less frequently. If your factory has 10000 machines, each light will only update roughly once every 4 seconds. Increasing the machines/tick value will improve this at the cost of CPU power.

So in theory it has a constant UPS load which should quickly become irrelevant if we're at the point where the base is actually tanking UPS. Though at that point I'd say the mod becomes fairly useless if its only updating every few seconds. IMO the only purpose of bottleneck is to be able to notice micro-inefficiencies in a blueprint, if something isn't getting resources for several seconds the player can easily notice without the mod since it probably means input is choked somewhere.

>>15616639

A word comes to my mind, and it's "why"

>>15616639

Might as well install the NPBees mod while you're at it.

>>15616657

why not? I think the finished product will look cool and be pretty functional

>>15616673

lol!

>>15616692

>why not?

I mean even one of those honeycomb things would be much more than needed to store everything, and you have 7 of them.

>>15616758

Be happy I didn't make another bigger honeycomb using 7 of these >>15616639

Does anyone know if there has been any update to this project?

>>15610637

That's one fluffy Nanachi.

>>15620378

christ why?

>>15624181

>>15624280

I hope you first cleaned up the bases close enough to the walls where the splash could affect the base.

>>15624181

>>15624280

post a webm

>>15624323

Well I kind of did. I mean, they're not there now.

>>15624364

Too late, didn't think to record one.

>>15624388

just wait for 12-24 hours, the bitters should set up new nests

>>15624280

Wait there's a kill production monitor? How do you reach that?

>>15624960

K

>>15625003

You could make black powder, which needs sulfur, potassium nitrate and charcoal. Of course, to accommodate that, you'd need to be able to get sulfur without an oil plant, even if it's harvesting it from a peat bog without machines or something.

Charcoal is easy enough, just use coal, or add a charcoal item from burning wood in a furnace. Saltpeter could just be crushed rock, too

>>15625576

Yeah I suppose your option is the best so far because then it would eliminate the "lame" factor i.e it is just a "converted" item, even though it does it by means of increased complexity (more process involved to make 1 item) but in other hand it also rewards the player having to deal with relative few items to make the final product (the ammo) and simplifying chain of logistic somewhat which is the purpose of this universal ammo intermediates. I appreciate your input on this serious matter. So it is also now on me to make sure that the recipes are in "final designs" stage as obviously it wouldn't wreck future save games because the player has to dismantle large portion of his base due to this change.