41b684 No.15509249
Gnasty Gnorc was just a slave who was causing a slave uprising against dragons
9cf186 No.15509264
Gnorcs are like jews, they deserve nothing but grief. They are literally unintelligent.
349e19 No.15509661
>"Do you feel like a hero, yet?"
Yeah, I kinda do. I killed a bunch of Arab savages, traitors, and CIA niggers who were always asking for it. As far as I'm concerned, I've done an invaluable service to the world.
ef88a3 No.15509665
>>15509270
>Haze
Does anyone even remember that shit?
a72833 No.15509704
It still pisses me off how blizztard treated him.
8c22be No.15509721
>>15509249
Breen was right.
Humanity had no hope of survival against the combine. The entirety of earth forces were decimated in 7 hours by a small scouting party and the entire game you're fighting the equivalent of out of shape mall cops.
659afa No.15509739
>>15509721
Why exactly did Breen even need to be killed for the resistances plans to move forward? At that point Breen was a figurehead and nothing more. He was a victim of circumstances and was probably buying the Earth more time if anything
701aaf No.15509751
>>15509661
game was so up its own ass. i still can't tell if the fighting and shooting was intentionally meant to be boring and repetitive
f73f3b No.15509847
>>15509739
he was the bluepill basically
once he was dead the normalfags could finally rise up in rebellion instead of just the ones who werent in denial of how bad things really are
at least thats what i gather
0bf42f No.15509868
>>15509751
I still don't understand why people disliked the Spec Ops gameplay, the visceral feedback was great, the gore was right and the executions were cool. It was no Max Payne 3, RE4 or Binary Domain but I enjoyed it.
46002b No.15509918
who is more deserving of the "did nothing wrong" title in E.Y.E?
Rimanah who just wanted to remove Jian have have the Culters lead the secreta
or your mentor who wanted to unite the Jians and the Culters to remove feds?
6e3cb9 No.15509923
>>15509721
I'd agree with you if not for the fact that A. the Black Mesa team actually has a plan to cut Xen off from Earth, which, if successful, would mean that the mall cops would be all you'd ever HAVE to fight, and B. post-Combine Earth was clearly a fascist hellhole and due to the anti-procreation field, humanity was slowly dying. It was basically a choice between rising up and hoping to beat the odds or just quietly laying down and fading to black. And humanity will NEVER take the easy way out. Well they won't in stories, at least; in real life they'll take the easy way every time.
3eb418 No.15509940
>>15509923
What exactly is the extent of the combine's strength anyhow? Are advisors at the top of the hierarchy or are they, too, just scouts?
8d028b No.15509952
Any game that has hitler in it
1aebfb No.15509974
He just wanted to keep their memories alive.
>>15509940
They're believed to be one of, if not the most, elite in the combine.
627a98 No.15509999
armstrong did nothing wrong
42a0f3 No.15510019
>>15509999
I'M USING WAR AS A BUSINESS TO END WAR AS A BUSINESS
9fbfc0 No.15510052
>>15509940
Aren't top of the hierarchy but fairly high up in it, we also know they aren't the founders of it and are most likely another slave race due to their massive amounts of implants (which are their only mode of transport making it likely they were just worm/grub things with telekinetic powers before the rest of the combine found them)
246e6f No.15510073
>>15509721
>>15509739
>>15509847
Breen was a figurehead, but he was a figurehead that people looked to for guidance, once freeman showed up, people had a new head to look too and as a result they took action as freeman did.
9cf186 No.15510081
>>15509704
What part exactly, anon? Because there were a lot of wrong doings with him of varying degrees. He is the Literally Hitler from WoW, and I actually don't share his opinion of "Only Orcs in the Orde" bullshit, even when he was right about the horde bunch of pansies. But what can you do when the world is slowly going towards peace? His character was flawed from the very beginning, but not to turn him into fucking Hitler.
a2f793 No.15510093
>gives you a place to stay though you have no cash
>lets you pay back at your own pace with no interest
>does this while so poor that he literally sleeps on the floor in his shack of a shop
>the community still views him as the big bad
Tom is a ==GOOD== boy.
23f813 No.15510351
>>15509665
I remember it being a catastrophic flop with a plotline so transparent it was practically invisible. I also remember some celebrity they brought on to shill their game spoiling the plot before release but it didn't fucking matter since you already knew exactly where the game was going three minutes in.
As for the thread topic:
<Dagoth Ur.
>Learns that the (((Dwemer))) are trying to create a god out of the remains of a dead god.
>Scrambles up a force to stop them.
>Stops them so hard they collectively cease to exist.
>Has to decide what to do with the keys to godhood.
>He knows their power is too great and will only ever be abused.
>Wisely suggest that they should be destroyed.
>Doesn't trust the shifty fuckers around him, knows they're definitely going to abuse the fuck out of them.
>They come to the conclusion that they should totally be preserved and never ever get used for real we promise no lie.
>Doesn't buy their bullshit and siphons just enough power from the heart of Lorkhan to protect the tools from the shifty fuckers practically drooling on them.
>Didn't count on his best friend taking their side so it turns out he didn't quite siphon enough.
>Those shifty fuckers you didn't trust kill you
>They also kill your best friend who trusted they wouldn't ever abuse the fuck out of the heart of Lorkhan because they promised for real they made a pinky promise.
>They immediately abuse the fuck out of the heart of Lorkhan just like you thought they would.
>Not even mad at his best friend's reincarnation, just disappointed and confused.
4d5540 No.15510374
>>15509704
From what I remember I heard that Blizzard were actually trying to make him from a "flawed, and kind of dickish but still honorable Horde warchief" into a character that grows to be a great warchief. But there was a backlash of retards who hated him so they killed him in Pandaria because they got scared.
6b3a1c No.15510441
>>15510081
He DIDN'T say only Orcs in the Horde. He said anyone who'd be willing to pick up a sword was welcome. Issue is: nobody else in the Horde had the balls to go with him.
4d5540 No.15510444
Strawman villains representing the ideologies that the creators disagree with are always more likeable than the main characters.
Bernkastel
>The entirety of Umineko is basically a glorification of the idea of "white lie"
>They create a fictional fantasy world because they do not want to face the horrible truth of the murders that happened
>Bernkastel considers this rightfuly pathetic and wants to fuck their shit up
Teagan
You all know already
b15717 No.15510457
Slaves should know their place. He deserved everything he got.
679c06 No.15510469
>>15509264
as opposed to pretending to be retarded?
8382f0 No.15510485
postan the real king
>>15510438
that's not a video game character dreamfag go get plowed by apostle dick.
4d5540 No.15510524
Spoilers for OFF
So what do you guys prefer, living in an Orwellian nightmare ruled by incompetent, abusive and insane God-like beings that berate you everyday, use your bodies to create narcotics or plot your fucking destruction while your ruler does absolutely fucking nothing? Let me remind you that you are also living in an artificial world made of artificial materials that make everything look fake and unpleasant. If you think that would drive you insane, well all that surround you already are so don't even expect a normal fucking conversation well unless you are talking to Zacharie, or the Judge, but the first seems to be just as aware of the fact that the world is ass as he seems content with helping Batter end it, and the second is at the brink of insanity having secluded himself from the rest of the zones, building a fucking drug den just for the sake of somehow coping with all the shit that has happened, which grows even fucking worse when his brother dies If you had a chance to end it all, wouldn't you? I'm not surprised that Batter considers this his holy mission, for all it takes he's just mercy-killing everyone by this point.
6e3cb9 No.15510597
>>15510093
They view him as a "bad guy" as a joke. It's funnier to see him as a loan shark than a kindly shopkeep and pillar of the community.
9e4de9 No.15510607
Gnasty Gnorc is basically a commie, he threw a fit because the dragons bragged about being superior and having more wealth and as a reaction he drug them all down to his level and stole everything.
4ec0d2 No.15510611
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>15510485
>that's not a video game character
You fucking what?
9e4de9 No.15510618
>>15510093
It's a joke guy
The real villain is that guy who moved in on top of your flowers
6e3cb9 No.15510664
>>15509918
That actually depends on what exactly the Culters and Jians disagree on, and how much their squabbles were affecting the efficiency of EYE, both of which are pieces of information we are not given in the story. If the two sides had some kind of irreconcilable difference that could not be compromised on and EYE's operations were suffering because of internal politics, then Rimanah is right. If making peace was possible (real, stable peace, not the unsteady one that exists at the start of the game), or petty internal arguments weren't affecting EYE's operations, then your mentor was right.
>>15510524
I think that the problem people have with The Batter is that his approach is incredibly heavy-handed. The guardians were all good people once, and might have been able to be persuaded to become good people again. But that's not the story of OFF. OFF is a story about mercy killing.
I'm sure some kind of OFF/Undertale crossover where persuasion happens is a thing somewhere. But unfortunately it also probably sucks.
6e3cb9 No.15510687
>>15510664
Oh right I'd also like to add that the one person who could have done something to that effect in OFF can't because he's bedridden and under the overbearing protection of The Queen.
ef88a3 No.15510711
>>15510611
>Berserk is a video game
1c7f1e No.15510716
>>15509661
I don't think you understood the game, anon. You were the traitor. The moment you disobeyed orders, you became a traitor and you got all your friends killed.
>>15509751
Nah, it was pretty good. It was aimed towards the cod types who never stop to think about why they're pulling the trigger. Combat was actually pretty fun, so I don't know what you're talking about.
>>15510351
Dagoth Ur and Nerevar are one of my favorite storylines. That ending is tragic.
>"My first question is: Are you really Nerevar reborn?"
ef88a3 No.15510728
>>15510716
Anon, video games are supposed to be video games, not stories, and the gameplay was average.
adda36 No.15510734
>>15510444
>Bernkastel of all people
>Having any right to look down on anyone for not wanting to face the horrible truth of the murders that happened
Literally Projection: the Character.
4ec0d2 No.15510780
>>15510711
It has 3 videogames
So it's videogames
ef88a3 No.15510789
>>15510780
It is videogames but it is not a videogame.
4d29ab No.15510807
Wakey wakey you french fry-haired faggot. You too Hotwheels. Don't think I forgot about you Tumblr. You can all take your muh trejic paaasts and shove them up your collective assholes, and if you don't like it then you can file your complaints about my genocide crusade against fun with my harem of bunnygirl assassins you bunch of ungrateful pricks.
Marche "The Fun Stops Here" Radiuju
Marche "Day of the Rope for Depressive Dopes" Radiuju
Marche "Paint your head pink and I'll send you to the brink" Radiuju
Marche "No relief for the Land of Make-Believe" Radiuju
Marche "Your mom is dead, here's her head" Radiuju
Marche "Shank a cripple right in the nipple" Radiuju
Marche "Make the crippled snitch scream like a bitch" Radiuju
Marche "If the laws suck ass, you're getting the gas" Radiuju
Marche "The only reason I haven't killed you yet is because Dmg2: Animals is banned" Radiuju
Marche "Dump the Tumblr bitch in a roadside ditch" Radiuju
Marche "Wreck the fag with the deadbeat dad" Radiuju
Marche "Never Ever Land" Radiuju
Marche "Empty my nine at a Totema Shrine" Radiuju
4ec0d2 No.15510821
>>15510807
Tactics Advance was pure garbage
7b3942 No.15510823
>>15510807
>Marche "Empty my nine at a Totema Shrine" Radiuju
7400fa No.15510890
>>15510807
To this day some faggots actually think Marche was a villain when Mewt was held captive by an actual demon that convinced him that she was his mother. Who knows WHAT the fuck she did that for, but Mewt was turning into a goddamned tyrant under her influence. No real friend would let a friend drown in delusion and no real man would allow a whole world to be replaced and erased just because a few kids couldn't handle being bullied for minor fucking things.
No man should let their friends wallow in their own shit.
3b85d7 No.15510978
>>15510821
not being as good as original/WotL isn't the same as being garbage. it was still leagues better than most other games of that nature.
ea0fb8 No.15510996
>>15509665
i have literally never had a chance to repost this webm before now. thank you anon
81f910 No.15511062
Do real life villains count?
25f0fd No.15511065
>>15509721
>>15509923
Breen and City 17 is basically what Merkel and Soros wants for Europe.
ac986c No.15511067
>>15510789
WHAT'S THAT!? YOU CAN'T STOP SUCKING DICKS LONG ENOUGH TO ADMIT DEFEAT?!
ef88a3 No.15511130
>>15510996
That webm made me giggle so no, thank you for posting it.
>>15511067
I meant to say that it has video games, but it isn't video games, LOTR has video games too but that doesn't make it video games.
d0b9eb No.15511148
Every last one of you would've done the same thing in his position.
60aae5 No.15511175
All he did was make eurogays afraid again.
9bca59 No.15511368
>>15510052
Too bad we will never fucking know!
b8f2ea No.15511401
>>15509661
>>15509751
>>15510716
The problem with the "just turn off the game" to stop doesn't really work since people will just envision that the protagonist will go do whatever he did without you offscreen specifically because you can't turn around and just head on back with your report after the first time you're shot at.
0cc68e No.15511419
>>15509661
>I
You're not Walker, you're the player watching a guy issue the order to launch a white phosphorous attack without your input.
5eaf67 No.15511510
>>15511130
A useless point to be made. Either you are concerned with the origins of the source material or you are choosing what is most prevalent in a demographic. The Witcher may or may not be video games based on your specific retardation.
424133 No.15511518
>>15510807
She has a nice ass.
0fe487 No.15511527
b8f2ea No.15511546
>>15510890
The sequel at least implies the dream world wasn't entirely unreal. Why that cunt did what she did will forever be a mystery though.
f93ebe No.15511567
>>15510081
Hitler was the good guy, so you're wrong already.
ef88a3 No.15511598
>>15511510
Both are important, but Berserk doesn’t fit into any of those two points.
ef88a3 No.15511605
>>15511401
That, and most people who played the game will feel ripped off since the game they just bought is telling them to not play.
58dc05 No.15511629
>>15510807
10/10 post right here
29b98e No.15511653
>>15510734
I mean to be honestly honest I only started rooting for her because
>I hated the message
>I felt cheated by the story which felt worse written by the fucking minute and made Beatrice into a trap
So I admit it's my bias speaking through a bit.
46a929 No.15511668
>>15509249
Athetos from Axiom Verge
>Wants to give the ultimate technologies to the world
>Has to genocide one single race for the eternal good of every other race
>This is somehow a bad thing
>You stop him from giving the technology to the world AFTER he already genocided the people
I was really pissed that I didn't get to choose to join him at the end of the game
29b98e No.15511713
>>15510444
>>15510807
You know this makes me realize how much I often disslike pro-escapist and anti-escapist works. Both always try to force their message in a heavyhanded way and both go into extremes.
It always seems to be
>Lie to yourself and don't face up to your problems
Or the "I have a stick up my ass approach of:"
>Doing anything fun to escape the sad reality will give you brain cancer and makes you penis fall off so don't do it
Never anything in between, makes me wish that whole theme would be dropped altogether sometimes.
0597a9 No.15511731
Star Ocean 3. The bad guy just wanted to purge an MMO, that he owns, of rogue AIs that respond to basic computer maintenance by trying to kill people. Seriously, of all the problems with that stupid, completely unforeshadowed twist this is one I'm surprised people rarely mention.
His sister's only argument is they're advanced intelligence and should be treated as human because they're advanced. Keep in mind that "human" characters are actually the extreme minority in this MMO, as genocidal aliens and lots of other monsters vastly outnumber them.
If they just acknowledged it, they could make a Star Ocean game that isn't a prequel: All the evil shit has escaped from the broken MMO they've been forced to keep running by crazed AIs that held humanity hostage.
a45dbc No.15511751
Master Kohga just wanted to spread a message of peace, tolerance and body positivity.
50bcee No.15511758
>>15509704
Is this WoW's version of Grom Hellscream?
82b653 No.15511763
>>15509661
It's so weird because the game also has some small choices like not shooting into a crowd but trying to disperse it, to enforce the whole pacifism thing.
>>15511713
Unironically Barkley SUAJG does this with the furfag community.
0cc68e No.15512357
>>15510807
The problem with this faggot is that there was a genuine threat behind the fantasy world and that there was a legitimate reason why the cons outweighed the pros of the situation.
Instead, he goes full on preachy cunt about how the guy can't have anything nice because muh escapism. Right motives or not, this still makes him a retard and an honorary nigger.
9cf186 No.15512617
>>15510441
But why? The world was going towards peace. Alliance respected Horde territory and viceversa. The only retard that wanted war just because was Garrosh. Again, it isn't his fault, it's the writers. Garrosh should know why his dad died, why would he want to make the very same fucking mistake?
>>15511567
I know, I was being ironic with that. What I meant is that they turned him into a boogeyman and a plot device.
b50b29 No.15512636
>>15509704
Garrosh would be right, if only the orcs weren't the niggest of the niggers
orcs are the rapefugees of azeroth, thus making him the opposite of somebody looking for racial superiority. They're low IQ rape and pillage brutes who don't know any better
You know who's actually RIGHT and IS a hero? Jaina Proudmoore.
Friendly reminder only the left plays horde
b50b29 No.15512641
>>15511148
sell the earth to aliens out of spite? not really.
beaca7 No.15512678
>>15512427
That's not a villain
He did everything wrong
c72dd1 No.15512680
>>15509661
The most pretentious game I've ever played. To this day i'll never understand why people like this trash.
9cf186 No.15512725
>>15510890
>but Mewt was turning into a goddamned tyrant under her influence
I bet you think Hitler was bad. Also, fuck you, that's why 2D > 3D
>>15511419
>What is self-insertion
Kys.
>>15512636
>Only the left plays the horde
What about the forsaken? But I do agree with you. Honestly, like half the horde consist on factions that are not even natives to Azeroth. Asking for something that belongs to you when it doesn't it's retarded.
>>15512641
I would.
9362c1 No.15512821
>>15510890
>it's harder to be bullied in middle school than it is to fight dragons and vampires anon everyone knows that
Their life in the final fantasy world objectively made them better people than their life in the real world.
1f6b18 No.15512968
>>15511751
Why didn't nintendo make Kohga the main villain of BotW?
He's more interesting than a roaring fart cloud that's for certain.
>>15509704
>orcs
>dindu nuffin
Nigger detected.
302c85 No.15513180
All Dancin' and Lilly wanted to do was make Japan more fabulous.
da6442 No.15513397
>>15510807
This is the best post I've seen all month.
da6442 No.15513431
>>15511713
Undertale gets a lot of shit but it actually handles both the pro-escapism and anti-escapism extremes simultaneously in its two main endings, which is unique if nothing else.
Pacifist: Pro-escapism. Befriend a bunch of friendly monsters. It beats real life.
Genocide: Anti-escapism. All the friendly monsters aren't real. Kill them all and get access to the two best boss battles in the game. If you do a genocide run more than once, the character at the end will outright tell you to stop because you've finished the content and there are other, better games you could be playing instead.
A lot of people never get to see this dynamic for themselves because getting all the dialogue in the genocide route requires multiple playthroughs, and resetting the game at various points in the final battle.
c78cf2 No.15513511
>>15509721
Lol
Breen sold out humanity for his own comfort
Hey half life 2 is just like real life
003270 No.15513555
king graveth is the one and only true king of caladria. harlaus deserves the axe as much as the mongols and arabs
3c7879 No.15513616
>>15513180
They didn't deserve to be defeated by a pipe-smoker, a crossdresser, a robot, and a cute.
d18408 No.15513622
>>15513555
>trusting (((republics))) with a flexible constitution
We all know how that story goes.
003270 No.15513679
>>15513622
what would you prefer? (((democracy)))? or perhaps the system of uncontrolled (((nepotism))) abused by people who had no connection to the land and left and lead caladria into chaos to begin with!
a constitutional republic with a strong leader is the only way for caladria to ever see peace.
43ceeb No.15513680
>>15512427
>making me remember the last game
Now I'm angry again.
12f842 No.15513776
>>15513431
It's not meta commentary you faggot nigger
13d6b7 No.15513785
>>15513680
>getting angry at the game
>not the retconning shitshow of an anime
43ceeb No.15513810
>>15513785
The last game was basically "omegalul XDDDD these characters have fweelings yeah bye" at the end though.
ef88a3 No.15513819
e82b2e No.15514057
>>15512725
>What about the forsaken?
Weren't they supposed to be their own faction entirely or something at first instead of just lumping them together with the Horde?
003270 No.15514154
>>15513819
don't ever talk to me, or my vassals ever again.
ef88a3 No.15514174
>>15514154
I'll talk to your vassals once I run them down with my knights.
003270 No.15514247
>>15514174
dont forget graveth became king by fucking up the swadians single handedly after a business meeting and dethroning the previous pussy-king who failed to act.
>knights
it wont matter how many you have when one of my sharpshooters hits you with a crossbow bolt from across the map and kills you in 1 hit, forcing your entire army to retreat and left up to RNG to decide your fate.
i love running a combination of rhodok sharpshooters and slave masters. i tell my entire army to advance 10 paces. they line up and wait. the army approaches and the enemy starts dying when theyre still ant-sized. as soon as they get close enough to hurt us, i tell the cavalry to charge. the cavalry distracts and knocks out/imprisons the army, while the sharpshooters just rack up kills. if i manage to set this up on a hill, forget it. i likely wont even have a single casualty
3836ea No.15514457
>>15513431
Undertale is completely pro-escapist. The Genocide route berates you for not playing along with the world and caring more about completing the game or being too obsessed with it and not immersing yourself in it.
a1e4ec No.15514570
>>15514457
IT'S NOT A FUCKING META STATEMENT YOU FAGGOTS.
ef88a3 No.15514585
>>15514570
Who cares, the game is shit anyways.
3836ea No.15514594
>>15514570
How isn't it a meta statement for fuck's sake
770d96 No.15514907
>>15512725
>>15512725
>What about the forsaken?
Reminder that undead factions are almost always basically Communism.
In warcraft it might be more true for the scourge than the forsaken due to individual players have a certain degree of freedom but the point still stands
9cf186 No.15514957
>>15513785
Pretty sure he meant V3. The anime was pretty nice till the "friendship"-tier ending and the whole "It's hypnosis!" ruined what the tragedy was about.
You'd think Junko drove everyone mad with just despair. But nope, IT WAS FUCKING HYPONISIS! I still enjoyed it.
>>15513810
I'll be dead before playing it.
>>15514057
Technically they are. The Alliance and the Horde are organizations like UN, so they are their own stuff.
>>15514457
>And not immersing yourself in it.
That's exactly why it isn't pro-escapism, fag.
3836ea No.15514971
>>15514957
>That's exactly why it isn't pro-escapism, fag.
>Berates you for not immersing yourself in a fictional world.
>Somehow not pro-escapist
9cf186 No.15514975
>>15514907
>Reminder that undead factions are almost always basically Communism.
Is hive mind truly communism? Because I agree with you, but it couldn't just be fascism? With the forsaken Sylvanas give the undead free will from the moment they rise. Val'kyrs tell you that you can choose to join the troops, live your old human life as an undead, or just go back to be dead. I'd say undeads are pretty free and Sylvanas is actually a pretty alright leader.
9cf186 No.15514981
>>15514971
If you are aware their fictional existence is irrelevant, how it does berates you? Because it presents you with a challenge?
e3e0c2 No.15515008
>>15514957
The anime had a good idea but very poor execution, too much time was devoted to despair side and not enough to future side. Also V3 is actually good including the twist but the ending is bad on purpose, I’d say it’s at least as good as the first one. One’s overall plot was a lot better but V3’s cases are a bit more complex. Still not nearly as good as 2 though.
3836ea No.15515048
>>15514981
Nigger the whole point is that you are not supposed to treat it that way. The whole genocide route is filled with things that are supposed to make you unpleasant for the sake of berating you for not treating it as anything more than a fictional world. The game is trying to tell you that despite it's being a game, the world inside of it is very real and alive, I'm not saying that it succeeds at doing that but it's what it's trying to do. The genocide route is you breaking that illusion and the game trying to make you feel uncomfortable for that.
On the other hand, now when I think about it, it could be considered anti-escapist, because I think the genocide route is supposed to represent you not letting go of the game, replaying it until you get bored of it and destroy the experience for yourself by pushing the game to it's limits and breaking the illusion of the world that it was trying to create so I guess it could be considered anti-escapist in that sense.
704d19 No.15515089
>>15511052
>2nd pic
Unless you go out of your way to be an even bigger fuck up, he is in no way a tragic villain who dindu nuffin.
The entire reason he is a villain is because he is paranoid to the extreme and rather than telling people "hey there is an ancient evil that is going to fuck shit up unless we all band together and prepare for war", he hides the truth, works his people to death in factories, let reaver the psychopath rat-fuck the economy and environment, part of his military deserted and became bandits, he fucks over the old guard and the gypos who would have helped him if they knew what was at stake, and the whole forcing your sibling to make a life and death choice because they pissed you off thing. Logan was shit no matter how you look at it. Unlike the hero he was also weak and would be incapable of defeating the crawler as the hero did.
9cf186 No.15515183
>>15515089
>>15515008
I would only play it because I'm thirsty for games like it. Otherwise, I get it, it is supposed to be the nail in the coffin for Dangaronpa. But wasn't that what DR3 was supposed to be?
>>15515048
>The whole genocide route is filled with things that are supposed to make you unpleasant for the sake of berating you for not treating it as anything more than a fictional world
While rewarding you with challenging bosses. If the whole thing is fictional and you're doing the genocide route for satisfying fights, why would it's message even matter?
>>15515089
>is because he is paranoid to the extreme
It isn't paranoia
>"hey there is an ancient evil that is going to fuck shit up unless we all band together and prepare for war"
Doubt that'd change anything, really. People of Albion is stupid as fuck.
1f2fce No.15515193
>>15509249
>subhuman who only exists to serve defying their superiors
>not wrong
Spotted the gnorc
3836ea No.15515216
>>15515183
>While rewarding you with challenging bosses. If the whole thing is fictional and you're doing the genocide route for satisfying fights, why would it's message even matter?
We're not arguing over whether the message matters or not because that's up to you, we're arguing over whether the message is escapist or not-escapist. The fact that you don't care about the message doesn't mean that it's not here.
On the other hand, that's a fair point, but that's:
A) Supposed to hammer the point of caring only about the mechanics of an RPG in this munchkin-esque approach to be wrong.
B) Toby putting his point in an incompetent way.
Probably a bit of both.
059da1 No.15521072
>>15510716
>regenerating health on top of it being a cover based shooter
>linear map design
>boring gun play
>actually thinking the visceral feedback was great
>"the gore was right",dude look hard DARK our game is
>Control constantly being taking for the sake of "story" in a game.
>Nah, it was pretty good.
>>15509868
>Liking Max Payne 3, RE4 or Binary Domain
>Liking executions aka, press button to make bad guy die
>I still don't understand why people disliked the Spec Ops gameplay
b8f2ea No.15521123
>>15515183
>It isn't paranoia
Paranoia is a state of mind, even when you're right that is still paranoia and the guy failed to control his fear so he was locked in a state of paranoia unable to make the sensible decision of just scamming money like you do for the best ending. Whoever pushed paranoia as being something that is only a thing when you're wrong was a brilliant propagandist.
25f0fd No.15521324
>>15512880
Please explain this to me. Wily and his robot army have a history of committing acts of terrorism. How is he the hero?
Come to think of it, why does Wily do what he does? According to Mega Man lore, he was once Dr. Light's assistant but got jealous of him getting all the glory so he turned to evil. But why did he turn to evil?
9127f9 No.15523433
>>15511668
Trace is an ultra-homo.
000000 No.15524110
>>15515089
>hey there is an ancient evil that is going to fuck shit up unless we all band together and prepare for war
If some guy told me that I would think he is insane. If he was working me to death I'd think he thought I was stupid enough to fall for that and want him dead. Shit, the only reason the hero manages to save everyone without the draconian measures is because they will shower you with gold if you show them your guitar hero skills or raise the rent so high you make Pullman look like Section 8. Meanwhile, the people who helped you take the throne know what's happening and they STILL expect you to fulfill all your stupid promises. You think Reaver fucked up the economy? How about when your stupid ass decides to turn the factories producing goods into fucking libraries no one is ever going to use? >>15515183 said it best, the people of Albion are barely worth saving. The fact that he even tried saving these worthless sods makes him a bigger saint than I.
1f6b18 No.15524139
>>15511052
>>15524110
If Logan is such a goody-two-shoes then why did he have Major Swift executed?
57a5f3 No.15524431
>>15510073
Wasn't it hinted by those two npcs near the start of the game that the public already knew Breen was full of shit?
000000 No.15524435
>>15524139
I don't know, why did he have a man who had pledged his allegiance to a coup for the promise of political gain executed?
7c48f7 No.15524449
>>15510351
You're fudging and omitting a lot of details there.
>>15511401
>The problem with the "just turn off the game"
There's another, bigger problem with it. By saying "you can just turn the game off", you're admitting that nothing in the story is real, and any tragedy is just electrical signals in your computer. The whole "oh, look at all the terrible things you've done" schtick doesn't work, once you admit everything you've "killed" is just an illusion formed by 1's and 0's.
8dd872 No.15524465
>>15511668
He was also keeping the invincible killing machines from getting offworld, wasn't he?
9be74a No.15524470
Every time I play Metro I swear I'm going to kill this little rat-fuck commie bastard, but I never do.
7c48f7 No.15524487
>>15511668
Please, we don't know enough information to make a judgement call, there. He could have been lying to Trace. He could have just been wrong about what he would find. There might have been a good reason that civilization was unreachable, in the first place. Even if he was right, do you honestly believe humanity, as it is, would have benefited from the sudden introduction of such miraculous technology? You really don't think it might have sparked terrible conflict and end poorly for our race? You really think we'd all just start holding hands and singing for peace, instead of fighting each other for control of that tech?
f73f3b No.15524502
>>15524470
You know on a second thought if there was any sort of hinting that he started to realize what the commies are, maybe started to have some sort of doubt towards them I'd save that fucker in a heartbeat.
As Yuri pointed out, disillusioned commies are some of the worst enemies commies can have.
d9c5af No.15524505
>>15511401
I want a meta game that mocks the game creators for doing this shit, showing that the whole "just quit the game" idea is them basically pushing blame onto you while giving you no other choice to progress in the story.
The only game that came close to that is "The Stanley's Parable" which is first of all not a game, and second of all somehow does both the same thing and mocks it at the same time. With it going full "TURN OFF THE GAME" in one of the endings, but also being a parody of the lack of choice in video games with the narrator being a mockery of the video game creator berating you for going off the beaten path and not following the story, constantly shifting blame onto you.
42411b No.15524647
All he wanted was for those damned pointy-eared brats to get off of his lawn.
Also the bald thieving magpies.
And the football hooligans.
And the damn commie preachers.
And the damned pointy eared brats' coke-head cousins.
And the bald magpies' edgy cousins
And those damned kids from the trailer park.
And those damned catholic school sluts.
Just get the fuck off of his lawn you damn kids!
d4788e No.15525084
>>15525065
>wanting to escape the underground
>when the above ground is filled with murderous humans
It's actually safer to keep the monsters underground
b883af No.15525090
>defending your homeland is evil
533b71 No.15525181
>>15525084
True, but they were running out of space and morale very gradually. It was only a matter of time until things fell apart down there.
148f3c No.15525194
>>15525084
>>15525065
>>15525181
Every single monster is the epitome of DINDU NUFFIN
Instead of lamenting their situation and cursing humans for sealing them underground, they should be contemplating why they were put there in the first place
335389 No.15525200
>>15525194
There wasn't any other reason than "Because humans are meanies", I mean, they CHOOSE to live there, they were the ones that put the barrier too.
533b71 No.15525248
>>15525200
That's all wrong, they were forced into the mountain and the barrier was made by humans. This is all in the introduction cutscene.
fdbbe9 No.15525254
>>15525090
Gotta wonder if the writer was a secret nazi sympathizer
13b44d No.15525297
>>15525200
Because the otherwise useless monsters can steal a human's soul and become an unstoppable killing machine at any time?
b8f2ea No.15525372
>>15525194
>>15525200
Monsters can kill a human with a touch, even when they are not being malicious or malevolent. if they were running out of room they should've just kept digging and hollowing out more caverns instead of twiddling their thumbs.
9127f9 No.15525586
>>15525372
You sure about that, Anon? an 11 year old (or so) child is able to genocide them because of muh determination, what the fuck would an adult be capable of?
I'm not sure the monsters are blameless, though; the beginning crawl is presented like a history lesson, there could be some serious bias there with a lot of the picture that we don't see.
ef88a3 No.15525598
>>15524647
Well get off of ya lawn wunce wez dun lootin da place.
b8f2ea No.15525606
>>15525586
>You sure about that, Anon?
It's a gameplay mechanic that is present for every battle. Most of those monsters aren't trying to kill you during the game, yet just being near you puts your soul at risk of exploding.
9e4de9 No.15525628
>>15525606
I mean it isn't like they haven't been separated from humans for like, a thousand years? Most of them probably aren't aware that you aren't a monster.
I mean the few that are, are either hunting you, letting you win or deliberately not hit your soul when they realize what they're doing.
b8f2ea No.15525650
>>15525628
Just because they can control it doesn't mean they can't kill you with a single touch to harm your soul, and many of them become more likely to kill you when you do the right thing for a peaceful resolution because it gets harder to avoid harm to your soul. The monsters are dangerous plain and simple.
9e4de9 No.15525655
>>15525650
>doesn't mean they can't kill you with a single touch to harm your soul
Well I mean, if we're talking most lethal potential situation, even Asriel with what is described as "Deity" tier power can't kill you without hitting you at least four times at your most vulnerable state in the game.
533b71 No.15525685
>>15525655
>Monsters must have done something to deserve being put in the mountain.
>Monsters are too weak to be seriously dangerous.
Pick one.
9e4de9 No.15525701
>>15525685
Weren't they imprisoned in the mountain because at some point it was discovered monsters could absorb human souls and potentially become dangerous atrocities?
I'm guessing maybe at some point some frog monster ate a guy's soul some how and turned into an amalgam.
921af5 No.15525710
>>15524647
>He thinks he can dictate where VANCE MOTHERFUCKING STUBBS can park his hundred Baneblades.
d0b9eb No.15525824
>>15521324
This is one of those niggling questions about the Mega Man series that's never really explained or explored. There's a lot of room for individual interpretation and a lot of really interesting things touched on but never taken any further… The nature of Proto Man's "free will" or the hinted at angle that the Robot Masters in 9 went rogue out of a sense of self preservation (that was of course dropped because that's too interesting so we just had to have Wily mess with their programming instead) are the big ones that come to mind.
I've always liked the idea that Wily was desperate to prove himself and became obsessed that his creations were better than mere tools to be used for human convenience. That his machines were perfect in ways that man was flawed. It creates a nice parallel to Dr. Light creating X as the first free willed robot (actually and by design free willed. Proto Man was a bit of a fluke and more of a gray area) and then sealing him away for fear of how humanity might react to that.
9127f9 No.15525866
>>15525824
If I recall correctly:
1.) Wily and Light are only partners in the English translation, it's not mentioned anywhere in the Japanese story.
2.) Megaman X was sealed away, not because of, (or at least not just because of), how people would receive him, but to receive 30 years of ethics testing, until the pod's program deemed him ready to interact with mankind.
ccf9a3 No.15525916
>>15510789
Mario is videogames, but it is not a videogame. :^)
f8dfc7 No.15525919
>>15524487
>Miracle tech
>Civilisation using it went fucking nuts
>Giant warmachines that are trapped there
The only thing that Trace and Athetos did wrong was failing to kill the fucking Rusalki.
9127f9 No.15525930
>>15524487
Why would Athetos lie to himself? Furthermore, he has the technology, not humanity; that means he has control, not them.
>>15525919
But Athetos couldn't finish the job, that was what Trace had to do, it's all on him.
f8dfc7 No.15525935
>>15525930
You're right. Trace is a fucking failure.
But the secret ending shows that he and Athetos might be able to make things right.
9127f9 No.15525943
>>15525935
Was it a dream?
42411b No.15525962
>>15525710
Stubbs doesn't even know what he did with those baneblades.
f8dfc7 No.15525966
>>15525943
Trace got put into a simulation of his reality. He never got back home. Now they're gonna put those fucking AI in the dirt.
Axiom Verge actually really hooked me with the hints of the greater setting and threats. Hope something comes of it and we get a sequel with tighter gameplay and guns that are actually useful.
e15964 No.15526038
>>15510890
>he doesn't want to replace our shitty modern world with a fantasy world full of bunny girls
9127f9 No.15526044
>>15526020
<words_words_words.B^U
What is this? The plot synopsis to your faggy yaoi fanfic?
Also, way to have literally the least controversial opinion ever. Vivian is considered such a non-villain that even the game unambiguously agrees with you. Why even post him here?
7c48f7 No.15526053
>>15525930
>Why would Athetos lie to himself?
Because that "himself" was a puppet of the Rusalki that was about to kill him and take down the barrier. It would have been easier to lie and persuade Trace to join him, rather than fight him.
>he has the technology, not humanity; that means he has control, not them.
For humanity to really benefit from it in a way that would solve most of their problems, like he was talking about, the tech would have to be spread among the entirety of us, not just in the control of one guy.
9127f9 No.15526081
>>15526053
>spreading technology necessary for advancement in certain sectors means giving up all of your secret aces
Except that's fucking wrong.
Also, the point I was trying to make is that because they are the same person; Athetos, being Trace from the future, wouldn't have completely incomprehensible goals that the original couldn't understand, he would just be jaded to the moral boundaries he used to hold. Trace made his entire career around scientific research, bringing advancement to humanity. Athetos hasn't changed in that regard; from the journals we dredge up of the former inhabitants, they were degenerate brainlets that thought "dur, technology bad." They were in the way.
75e4a7 No.15526090
>>15509721
Breen was doing some underhanded dealings before the 7 hour war. He ran black Mesa, and either through incompetence or maliciousness, he was the one who urged the experiment to go further with a DIFFERENT test sample than they originally planned, which inevitably caused the Resonance Cascade
2a29fd No.15526099
>>15509249
>Wants to build glorious utopia where mankind lives without want
>Opposes the globalist world police, G.U.N.
>Spends his time saving humanity from the degenerate furry menace
>Builds a free space amusement park just because he can
>"bad guy"
180d3b No.15526106
>>15526038
Would colonize a city populated solely by them.
000000 No.15526115
>>15525372
Wait, doesn't the Goat mom literally hold your hand through the tutorial? Wouldn't that mean you're character died right then and there?
6a2311 No.15526118
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>15512669
He played me like a diddle
c06d7e No.15526148
>>15526099
>robotniks mean bean beans
7c48f7 No.15526163
>>15526099
The park in Colors was just a cover-up for his world-wide mind-control laser, you know.
0ba1ec No.15526171
>>15509665
>>HazeDoes anyone even remember that shit?
most fun i ever had with my pants on
ef8c18 No.15526243
>>15509999
digits of truth
462e37 No.15526486
>>15525065
>Humans and monsters were separated by the barrier because humans were decimating the monsters
>Asgore's method of breaking the barrier involves killing human children
What does he think is going to happen when monsters return to the surface world under those circumstances? The second humans find out (and they will eventually) that monsters escaping the underground meant the blood of children who've been missing for years, it'd be another war but only this time the monsters would be driven to extinction.
9127f9 No.15526661
>>15526486
Desperation drives men to dark deeds, Anon.
000000 No.15526748
>>15526661
Maybe, but we wouldn't call them good people.
0921cf No.15526772
>>15525084
>>15525065
>>15525194
>>15526486
>Playing a shit game
>Caring about a shit game's lore
>Not killing yourselves
df9f2d No.15526788
>>15513511
>Breen sold out humanity for his own comfort
He convinced the Combine to not wipe out humanity, he deserves credit for that at least.
df9f2d No.15526833
>>15525065
He killed a bunch of children
38b952 No.15526846
>>15526486
For a second, I wondered if you were talking about real life.
2b2f76 No.15526931
>>15512669
Fuck you, and fuck that punk.
1918b3 No.15527278
>>15511510
If the events you're talking about are original to a video game adaptation, then that's from the video game. If you're just taking a story that's been adapted into a video game and counting it, then that's dumb. Talking about Future Trunks killing Frieza in Dragon Ball Z isn't video games. But talking about Future Trunks joining the Time Patrol is. And then that would make discussion about stuff that isn't original to video games possibly relevant, as it would make sense to discuss other things Trunks did as it all informs his role in the video game original stuff. But in this case, just taking stuff Griffith did in the manga first which happened to get video game adaptations totally doesn't count.
>>15525824
>I've always liked the idea that Wily was desperate to prove himself and became obsessed that his creations were better than mere tools to be used for human convenience.
But Wily reprograms robots all the time to use them as mere tools. All the Robot Masters from 1 who were made by Light, the ones from 4 who were made by Cossack, and the ones by 6 made by a bunch of random people. And in Challenger from the Future he reprograms Rock to use as a tool.
But the whole thing about X being the first robot with free will is dumb anyway, because you're gonna have a hard time convincing me that Rock never had free will, especially if we're counting things like Super Adventure Rockman. It almost would make sense to argue that it means he does not have to follow any programming, such as how Rock was programmed with the Three Laws and was reprogrammed by Wily in the future, but then the Sigma Virus reprograms Reploids all the time even though they're supposed to have X's free will. So how is that free will at all? It's the exact same thing that happens to the older robots.
>>15526099
GUN killed his whole family, and a bunch of other scientists and their families aboard the ARK, for the crime of trying to cure AIDS and saving the world from aliens. GUN is still in power today, yet we're supposed to consider them the good guys? This is even as they do idiotic things like locking up Sonic because he looks vaguely like Shadow, even though they know exactly who Shadow is and Sonic is a celebrity who has saved the world on countless occasions. Yeah Amy is stupid enough to mistake others for Sonic, but at least she doesn't know about the other people she's mistaking for him, while GUN knows perfectly well who both Shadow and Sonic are. Then they chase you down with a giant truck that smashes and kills everything unlucky enough to be on the roads or sidewalks as it takes up entire streets. It runs over Big the Cat. But we're supposed to forgive them immediately after and think they're the good guys, even as all the stuff they did 50 years ago comes to light.
And what is Eggman's crime? Sure he keeps trying to build Death Stars, and he blew up half the moon that one time, but GUN has their own Death Star too. Oh, Eggman used to capture animals? Only because Sonic keeps recruiting them to work for GUN. At least he doesn't kill them. All he wants is to create Eggmanland, a giant amusement park. Certainly better than living under GUN.
>>15526163
Only so he could get rid of GUN on Earth.
d93efe No.15527347
>>15513555
But Genghis Khan is awesome
7c48f7 No.15527381
>>15527278
>all this "my headcanon says Eggman did nothing wrong"
The whole "Eggman only wants to save the world from G.U.N." is complete bullshit. That was never the intent of the writers, and G.U.N. is only relevant in two games, one of which they do nothing but good. Eggman is, and always has been, an eccentric, selfish scientist who only cares about grabbing power for himself, no matter how hard you try to twist the details of SA2.
ef88a3 No.15527423
>>15527347
Not as awesome as Harlaus and his Swadian Knights.
1918b3 No.15527464
>>15527381
The intent of the writers was obviously to be on the side of GUN, but they did that in the dumbest way, by having GUN commit horrible atrocities which were integral to the plot and to the backstory that they were retconning into the series and the villain. And I would certainly say they were intended to have at least a bit of moral greyness in both Adventure 2 and Shadow the Hedgehog, even if you were still clearly intended to side with them in the end. They're also in Sonic '06 but yeah not really important to the plot of that game, other than establishing that Shadow and Omega now work for them, and that they have jurisdiction in Soleanna, which might have been a detail they never thought about, but has strong implications for their role in Sonic's world.
b8f2ea No.15527518
>>15527381
All that bad stuff about Eggman is purely due to localization.
7c48f7 No.15527637
>>15527518
>All that bad stuff about Eggman is purely due to localization.
>S1
>Eggman is tearing up South Island to find the emeralds, sticks all the wildlife in robots and capsules to build an army to defeat Sonic
>SCD
>Eggman uses time travel to turn the Little Planet into a mechanized hell orb and kidnaps an innocent girl to use as a hostage
>S2
>Eggman starts tearing up West Side Island to find the emeralds and complete his Death Egg
>S3
>Eggman uses Knuckles' ignorance and knowledge of ancient prophecies to trick him, allowing Eggman to rebuild the Death Egg
>S&K
>Eggman steals the M.E. to power up the Death Egg
>SA1
>Eggman feeds emeralds to Chaos in the attempt to use it as a weapon, later attempts to nuke Station Square out of spite
>SA2
>Eggman attempts to steal "project shadow" to use for himself, learns of the Ark's cannon and uses it to hold the entire planet hostage
>blows up an entire island, as well
All of those are the original JP plots of the games.
1918b3 No.15527725
>>15527637
The ends justify the means when it comes to taking down a worldwide military dictatorship. There may be casualties, but that is the nature of war.
7c48f7 No.15527770
>>15527725
But G.U.N. can hardly be called a worldwide dictatorship, and Eggman's only motive for taking them down is to establish his own worldwide dictatorship.
1918b3 No.15527811
>>15527770
>But G.U.N. can hardly be called a worldwide dictatorship
They're a military with worldwide jurisdiction that supersedes national sovereignty. They have jurisdiction over the United Federation and Soleanna, at the very least. And I'm willing to bet the pyramid levels from Sonic Adventure 2 are a totally different country as well.
Eggman's motive for taking them down is taking down a worldwide dictatorship that has been known to kill civilians just because they were related to scientists who were trying to cure AIDS and save the world from aliens.
349e19 No.15527953
>>15510716
>I don't think you understood the game, anon. You were the traitor.
Deserters, whatever. They should have made a phone call or sent a carrier pigeon or something if they didn't want me to kill them off wholesale.
c2f28d No.15528001
>>15527811
>Eggman's motive for taking them down is taking down a worldwide dictatorship
Specifically so he can supplant them, truly a noble goal.
7c48f7 No.15528041
>>15527811
>worldwide jurisdiction
We've only seen them openly operate in one known country: Sonic's version of the U.S, to which they answer to the president of. Soleanna was them sending a total of three agents to it, and that was purely to infiltrate Eggman's base and take the scepter. The rest of what Rouge, Shadow, and Omega did was their own decision. The G.U.N. of old took out the Ark, but, as far as we know, all they knew was that Gerald allied with an evil alien to create a giant laser cannon and a bio-weapon. The G.U.N. of now is led by one of the Ark's denizens and a close relative of Maria's, and has only acted in defense of the world, their one, single mistake being the arrest of Sonic (who then resisted, beat up their men, damaged an expensive helicopter and several of their robots, and tried to escape). And you can't go "''but they sent a giant truck that was rampaging through the streets, so that makes them bad" when Sonic does the exact same thing to every car he runs into. Furthermore, G.U.N. is explicitly absent from Station Square, Grand Metropolis, the cities in the Riders games, and every single nation in Unleashed.
At no point do the games even imply that Eggman has any animosity towards G.U.N, aside from them getting in his way. He didn't care about them in any game prior to SA2. His single line where he mentions his feelings towards Gerald is just him saying he looked up to the guy as a child. Eggman's only depicted motivation has been to rule the world and build a themepark in his image.
Nothing supports Eggman's goals as noble aside from game theory-style stretches and massive assumptions based on tiny tidbits of information.
1918b3 No.15528095
>>15528001
I'll take the guy whose goal is making everything into an amusement park over the guys who massacre whole families because their relatives were saving the world.
>>15528041
>to which they answer to the president of. Soleanna was them sending a total of three agents to it, and that was purely to infiltrate Eggman's base and take the scepter.
Weren't there GUN crates all over that game? So GUN seems to have a major presence there.
>their one, single mistake being the arrest of Sonic (who then resisted, beat up their men, damaged an expensive helicopter and several of their robots, and tried to escape)
Blue Lives Matter.
>explicitly absent
We just don't see them. That doesn't mean they're absent.
>At no point do the games even imply that Eggman has any animosity towards G.U.N, aside from them getting in his way.
Except for Sonic Adventure 2, where the whole plot is about how his grandfather was his hero and GUN drove him to insanity, so Eggman is stealing all their shit and generally fucking them up. But okay, he was fine with GUN killing his whole family and personal hero, and he fought them for totally unrelated reasons. Linking those two things is just game theory.
729f00 No.15528125
City-State soldiers break into the Palace and rape your Mother in front of you when you're a young child; your coward father only does something after the fact and you're considered the villain for starting a war and genociding (((their guys))) in an act of revenge.
a0c843 No.15528191
>>15509249
>Gnasty Gnorc
>massive armored orc with a huge mace
>demonstrates thanos levels of power by turning all dragons into stone at the snap of his fingers
>likely the most intelligent of the orcs to boot, being their leader
>…
>boss fight is him running away from you until you corner and 1-shot him
Good game but most underwhelming final boss of all time. What a cuck
1918b3 No.15528209
>>15528191
Look on the bright side. If it was a modern game, the boss fight would have been a QTE.
Frankly, I like that the boss fights in that game were more about movement than combat. Spyro was never good because of the combat. I'll never understand how they thought they could turn the franchise into a fucking beat-em-up.
7c48f7 No.15528248
>>15528095
>Weren't there GUN crates all over that game?
No. All the crates had a generic star emblem, not the GUN emblem. Why the hell would Eggman have stacks of GUN crates around his forces, especially in his own base?
>GUN drove him to insanity
Gerald drove Gerald to insanity. He made a terrible decision to secretly ally with extremely evil aliens, without telling anyone his true plans, and got bit in the ass for it. G.U.N. was eliminating what they believed to be a planetary threat. The entire planet outweighs a single space colony. Didn't you say "ends justify the means"? Then, Gerald couldn't take a single family death, something that hundreds of thousands of people do every day, without going insane, and he decided to blame all of humanity on it.
>Eggman is stealing all their shit and generally fucking them up
Eggman stole project Shadow to further his world domination schemes. He attacked prison island to steal some chaos emeralds to power the Ark's cannon. If he really was so concerned with fucking GUN's shit up, he wouldn't have waited until SA2 to do so.
>GUN killing his whole family
Gerald and Maria are never stated to be Eggman's entire family, which doesn't even make since, considering Gerald is Eggman's grandfather, meaning Eggman had to have a mod and dad somewhere. Eggman doesn't even show concern for Maria, at all. He only mentions Gerald, beyond the initial statement of finding his journal, after he stops his grandfather's own schemes. You're really pulling shit out of your ass to legitimize your headcanon.
20e4f2 No.15528286
>>15528191
>demonstrates thanos levels of power
Something something gemstones
Infact at the core of every Gnorc is a gemstone and thats why they drop one when they are killed for the first time. You spend the game collecting the hearts of your enemies and their unborn progeny.
16724a No.15529325
Gets a bad rep cos he's scowly and shouty.
Could see Cailian and his army were as likely to survive as a red shirted Star Trek ensign vs the spawnlads and did the pragmatic thing by boning out/living. Later he's rightly understandably suspicious, if a smidge overt and power grabby, in the face of unknown/untested quantities vying for leadership during a massive apocalypse style crisis. There should have been some obscure way to worm around to supporting him without all that grief, if Alistair wasn't such a whiny low T bitch about Duncan getting gibbed shit could have worked out. I was overjoyed when I realised I could get Alistair to leave and then of course get LMT to fuck Morrigan, lad deserved some swamp pussy for his trouble.
a6914f No.15529333
b2c60d No.15529361
the bad elf isnt what he seems to be.
61ff3b No.15529514
>>15529325
>Gets a bad rep cos he's scowly and shouty.
Loghain is a really well written villain because he genuinely feels like he was justified in his actions. If you talk to him he explains his thought process behind why he didn't help the king during the battle
>Loghain had no idea what the Grey Warden's purpose was because the Grey Wardens never told anyone that an Arch Demon needs to be killed by one
>Loghain though Cailan trusting these weirdos from the other side of the continent was a bad idea
>Loghain thought he should just wait for reinforcements from Redcliffe but Cailan was all "no I just need muh grey wardens"
>Loghain believes Cailan is just going to get everyone killed because he wants to feel like a big badass
>Loghain thinks Cailan is a traitor because he wants to ally with Orlais who occupied their country just a few decades prior.
>Loghain doesn't think it's a real blight because the Grey Wardens just say "we sense an arch demon" and he thinks its bullshit
>Loghain thinks he needs to take over to actually protect Ferelden and unite the country against what he thinks is just a darkspawn incursion and to prevent Orlais from taking over
His main thing was just that he was wrong and couldn't admit he was. Aside from that Alistair's hate of him is very unjustified. I was really glad you could recruit him into your party.
3e26a5 No.15529517
>>15529325
I'm sure never advising the king the battle was a bad idea, fleeing as the battle's already fucking started to ensure the king's doomed, and grabbing power for himself was completely candid, anon. Have a bit of a critical sense regarding people of power instead of sucking the dick of the first one you see flaunting a pretense of breaking the mold.
61ff3b No.15529527
>>15529517
>I'm sure never advising the king the battle was a bad idea
He says this when you meet him. He says they should wait for reinforcements from Redcliff. Cailan says "we just need the grey wardens" and "maybe we should wait for forces from orlais" which causes Loghain to go nuclear.
>fleeing as the battle's already fucking started to ensure the king's doomed
He only did this because he felt Cailan was leading everyone to their deaths and he needed to take over to prevent the country from being occupied again
>grabbing power for himself was completely candid
This was the guy who was best friends with the guy who originally took over the country from Orlais. It's like Che taking over after Castro's son dies. Loghain's daughter is actually in-line for the throne and you're told the public want her as queen in some capacity.
122769 No.15529553
>>15529514
the more you think about the grey warden's from an outsider's perspective, the more retarded the entire thing is
it's like some french king bringing in a bunch of hindu mystics who claim some hindi deity is gonna come and slay everyone, but only they can kill him
de6696 No.15529613
>>15529325
>did nothing wrong
>would have killed his country with the blight, only failed because a nice shapeshifting old lady rescued the people
who could save it
You can say he did nothing wrong based on what he knew, but what he knew was wrong.
122769 No.15529622
>>15529613
and if what he thought was right (which is way more likely than the mysterious gyspy order being right) he would have been saving his country
the king is still to blame no matter what you think, he should have done more to bring his vassal or general or whatever loghain was to know what was going on instead of acting like a derp
2115eb No.15529703
>>15511731
>Star Ocean 3. The bad guy just wanted to purge an MMO, that he owns
A highly popular MMO that the entire world, not just kids and otaku teens, play, this is like someone suddenly deciding to purge fagbook, jewtube, rebbit, cuckchan, this place, etc without warning, and without even justifying himself.
>of rogue AIs that respond to basic computer maintenance by trying to kill people
The sentient AI was peaceful until luther introduced his data erasing program, i mean if you consider genocide of innocents "basic computer maintenance" that's alright, but people were getting killed in droves just because the owner thought that his NPCs gaining sentience was an error.
11b259 No.15530172
Waluigi did nothing wrong.
d5f479 No.15530188
>>15530172
He's also never been a villain in any game, he only shows up for sports.
b41e78 No.15530257
>>15509270
>Nier
Wrong.
From Nier's perspective
>shades start fucking attacking everyone, so you fight back
>living a happy live with his daughter
>daughter has a deadly disease
>shades keep fucking attacking
>your daughter gets fucking kidnapped
>with the help of a >girl whose only relative was fucking curb stomped by shades, you set out to save her
>while you fight everyone to save your daughter not a single fucking person thinks it'd be a good idea to explain anything to you
>save your daughter and selflessly scarify your existence
From shadow Nier perspective
>Humanity's only chance at survival
>waits with his daughter at his side
>wait more
>one fucking thousand years later still waiting
>can't wait anymore, going fucking insane with wait to the point where shades are going nuclear
>takes what was supposed to be a non-sentient robot body to put his daughter's spirit in
They were both good dads blinded by love for their daughters who just wanted to help them. Everything considered, neither of them did anything wrong.
709b88 No.15530467
>>15528125
>First image.
cluck_like_a_chicken.webm
7b400d No.15530521
>>15515183
>I get it, it is supposed to be the nail in the coffin for Dangaronpa.
wrong, there's another spin-off in the works, and Spike Chunsoft was hiring modelers and the like to work on "a Danganronpa game"
so it was basically just killing off all the past games on the series and permanently tainting any new ones all for the sake of a twist
9cf186 No.15530668
>>15530521
Jesus. This is "the end of Sora arc"-tier.
162a8d No.15532943
Was Mother Brain right to go against the Chozo and Galactic Federation? While the Space Pirates are not innocent in the least and signingup with them is questionable enough to label as "did nothing wrong", the future showed the Galactic Federation was also no good either.
16724a No.15535372
>>15529517
>I'm sure never advising the king the battle was a bad idea
They're talking about exactly that when you meet them. Cailan is a dumb gung-ho chad with ONE capable grey warden, two nerfs and a crappy battalion and he thinks they can beat a fucking army from hell cos he has his best gold (bad idea) suit on. They should never have been there int he first place.
>fleeing as the battle's already fucking started to ensure the king's doomed
A battle that was doomed form the start which would have gotten all his men and him killed leaving Anora to rule an increasingly war-raped landscape,
>grabbing power for himself was completely candid
I agree the powergrab is a bit much but what's he supposed to do? He's the most likely candidate and even if his info is wrong he's the better choice over Anora, he even plays within the rules and becomes reagent not claiming anything absolute.