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Dark Messiah of Might and Magic lets you freeze enemies and shoot ice on the floor that they can slip on. Can make a platoon of orcs slide right off a cliff.

I know this will result in Toddposting but Skyrim. Ice is probably the strongest of the basic elements as it has two fairly big debuffs of slowly down enemies and draining them of their stamina. This is a lot better than fire which gives enemies slip damage and deals increased damage if the enemy is on fire (this sucks because a lot of enemies resist fire, namely dragons, the iconic enemy of the game). And is way better than lightning because all lightning does is sap MP.

The ice slows enemies which is useful because it keeps enemies away from you for longer and the stamina drain means enemies won't get out many heavy attacks. It's so much better than the other basic elements it kept me from ever investing into a mage build for that game.

>>15494577

Dragon's Dogma

Not saying you should play it, but there is World of Warcraft. Frost Mage.

Infamous 3 does a decent job I think.

>>15494666

The main benefit to lightning is the faster projectile, I think it might even be hitscan. Plus Chain Lightning dual cast is one of the few genuinely fun things to do in that game. Shoot the ground next to an enemy and watch it ragdoll into the air when it dies because of the angle coming up from the ground.

>>15494577

In general, Ice does direct damage and trades the DOT fire has for slow effects. Depending on the game it might actually do higher damage on hit than fire at the cost of not doing damage over time, which is usually preferable. The most iconic, useful ice mage would probably be sorceress in Diablo 2, Frozen Orb was a pretty common build.

>>15494754

>>15494666

Also worth noting, mid-high level draugr resist frost (50%). Dragons may be the "iconic" enemy, but draugr are the most numerous and annoying.

>>15494666

You're forgetting the game is skyrim, damn near everyone's a nord who also resists ice. I did try it once though, maybe it was because I didn't spend a ton of time playing but it felt like fire just dealt with the average enemy faster to the point I never needed to worry about power attacks.

>>15494675

Isn't frost mage like the worst one? I had one when I still played and got chewed out a few times for not being a fire mage.

>>15494754

See I don't get that. Yeah the typical thing is like blow snow at a dude and slow him down, but ice is a hard material. No game really has cryomancers impaling people with ice spikes, or even doing anything to do with terrain (Aside from Dark Messiah apparently). Maybe its because I play tabletops a good bit, but ice seems like a crazy versatile thing that no game uses.

Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup is the only game I've ever played where ice magic slows down cold blooded enemies

>>15494701

Wait shit I meant 2. You get ice powers in 2.

>>15494577

Jusat play FFXIV and start as a Thaumaturge then get to Black Mage.

>>15494809

Frost mage is the PVP spec, or at least it was a very long time ago.

>>15494809

I can't say for sure (on account of always playing bonemancer whenever I played a caster in D2) but I recall most everything in act four being highly resistant to fire making fire sorcerers a pain in the ass to play

or maybe that was because of hell difficulty where immunities abound I can't remember anymore

>>15494577

Pic looks like it's based on the game Wizard of Legend. It's a shitty roguelite, but it has plenty of ice spells, some of which have nothing to do with freezing/slowing enemies.

>>15494864

Ah, I never played PvP since I was terrible at it

Bahamut Lagoon

The Tales of… games don't really have an ice specialist, but ice spells are good and certain annoying enemies are gladly weak to it, plus they looked neat. Freeze Lancer and Absolute could be nasty spells to cast or receive damage from.

I could also mention Rimururu from Samurai Shodown, if only because her Fatality with a giant ice hammer looked cool, no pun intended.

>>15494666

I think the reason that ice gets two debuffs is because more enemies are resistant to it, as others have said. It is the snow level of tamriel, after all. It's still fun to use ice spells though, especially modded ones.

The Blue Knight in Castle Crashers is pretty OP.

>>15495278

>>15496932

Are the Tales of games any good? Pretty much all I care about is combat and I can't actually tell what it(Berseria) is supposed to play like?

>does less damage in exchange for slow or immobility debuffs

>normal enemies are killed by other elements and don't need to be crowd controlled

>bosses are immune or highly resistant to the debuffs

Typical game balancing.

Tree of Savior, even though it's a shitty game. Cryomancers have an ability that pulls in mobs and freezes them, which is extremely useful. They also have some OK damage despite being a low level job and have other utility, as well as being fairly tanky.

As someone else pointed out, Dragon's Dogma has some pretty crazy frost spells.

Wizards of Legend.

>>15496900

Care to say what game this is because I'm an idiot?

>>15498180

>>15498703

>>15498746

I remember playing this game and it having fucking nothing in terms of content.

Is it any better now?

>>15499789

thats age of wonders 3. although most of that isnt exclusive to the third game.

>>15499841

>no content

There's like a hundred items and a hundred spells. They're about to add a 4th area and boss, and a pile of new enemies. Plus new supers. They added in the last update an NPC that will randomize your entire build for super-blind playthroughs. I don't play many roguelikes, but it's got a lot of stuff relative to others I've played like Risk of Rain. I'm not sure what you consider enough, though.

>>15500053

Some variety in the enemies would be nice.

Last i played they all felt like massive spunges and the bosses were pretty bland.

All of them just look like generic goons that i couldn't care less about.

>>15500315

See >>15498746

If the enemies feel like damage sponges, your build sucks.

>>15494809

>Isn't frost mage like the worst one? I had one when I still played and got chewed out a few times for not being a fire mage.

back when i played mage, frost was the leveling spec and fire was the raid spec. arcane was the how did i get here i am not good with computer spec

also, divinity has a spec that includes a lot of ice, and it's not great but it's not bad. pretty much all magic in that game is circumstantial anyway

Torchlight 2

>CC out the ass such as immobilization, stuns and the typical slowing from being frozen

>Huge single- and multitarget damage

Was there a good reason to remake this thread?

Saying the same i said in the previous thread: Torchlight 2

>>15494577

DotA has Lich and Crystal Maiden.

D3m >>15494602

Path of exile if you don't mind tencent owned grindfest >>15496950

Magicka-s and also I bet that Tales of Scrolls which is its copy will have some too

>>15497649

I like the series, but as of late I've been questioning more if I might just have shit taste. Anyhow, Berseria's got some weird "always free roam combat" compared to the usual "line of approach with optional free roam" (for the 3D games anyhow, minus Symphonia), and I always had some trouble trying to figure out how to really read the soul gauge and costs, beyond just min/max souls. Most of the rest of the series either utilizes straight TP as a resource (with gels to restore 30/60/100%), straight CC in a few games like Destiny PS2/DC and Graces (each action costs 1-4 CC with max CC determining how many actions can be taken in a combo; CC restores fairly fast on its own, but playing well can net mid-combo returns instead of needing to break combo/turtle), and mixed TP/CC style like the Xillias (each arte costs [X] TP, and every offensive action costs 1 CC out of the total; AC, as it's known there, restores fast once a combo breaks, while TP still uses gels to restore and activated skills to manage better). The real-time combat handles reasonably well enough in my opinion (and with Graces f, the combat is a major reason to play it, along with the skits, being the only sole-CC entry available in English, though in turn it's not an entry you're playing for a good story, as the writing's rather subpar even compared to Tales' usual plotting). But I've seen others over the years just deride the series as "button mash tier." I suppose whether or not its a good style of combat depends on who you ask.

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