/v/ - Video Games

>>15476427

What was bad about the other trailers?

>>15476439

>The hookshot arm looked half baked and looked to only attach to very specific points (looks a lot more loose this time around),

>graphics and art direction initially looked bland

>combat just looked like your standard souls entry (which I like Souls combat but we’ve had it back to back for 5 games now)

Now it looks like an even faster Bloodborne with more verticality to the combat, almost looking something like Ninja Gaiden or DMC. There’s a lot more colors and atmosphere than there initially looked to be, and the boss battles seem to have some flare to them without sacrificing the gameplay or taking control away from you. I’m pretty excited.

>>15476427

>I just hope

>Activision

anon you know better

>>15476511

Licenses, goy

>>15476468

>combat just looked like your standard souls entry

it looked notably different from the very beginning, with using the arm to maneuver around enemies, grapple to them, jumping mid-combat, and having stealth in mid-combat. It's always looked pretty good.

>>15476427

>たとえ一度、敗れるとも

although we may be defeated and

>命を賭し

lives are at stake

>主を必ず取り戻す

our master must certainly be recovered

>それは、我が忍びなれば

Regarding that, why don't (you?) become our shinobi

>私はかつて修羅を見ました

I saw carnage for the first time

>不死斬り

an eternal life of killing

>確かに・・・

certainly…

>もらい受けた

has been given

I think all of that is about right.

>>15476427

Activision will always ruin anything that they touch.

I can't be the only one who finds feudal Japan as a setting to be unappealing and extremely dull… right?

>>15476613

thanks weeb anon

>>15476688

My biggest concern with the Activision name attached is

>rushed development leading to a short game

>held back content for sequel

>this game is the beta to the fleshed out sequel

>>15476439

OP saw them while being a retarded faggot.

>>15476705

there are niches for anything goy

except for games about nazi germanythat would be white supremacygoy

>>15476867

>spectacle fighter

It's like a newer, more stupid name comes out for these sorts of games every week.

>hooknose tube

>>15477212

Lurk more faggot, /v/ has been using that term for over 6 years

>>15477218

Maybe you have. It's still retarded and no one else uses it, nor should they.

I'm not going crazy with the hype, honestly. I'm sure it will be good but after playing a bunch of action games I realize that Miyazaki's games don't come close to the likes of DMC, MGR, Bayo and even Nioh which took what they did with the Souls games and improved the gameplay. Also because DMC5 is coming out right around the same time as Sekiro I can't help but be more excited for DMC5, despite its art direction.

We'll see I suppose but I'm keeping my expectations low.

>>15477371

>Improved the gameplay

And shat over everything else

I'm also not found of working Froms shaft, but they haven't developed a pure action adventure game in years, it could be Platinum tier for all we know.

It's ninja souls with a fixed protagonist.

It'll be fine, trust me.

>>15477669

It's not even the same fucking company or genre of vidya.

>>15476705

Sure you aren't, personally I like it but I have the same reaction you have but to the wild west setting.

>>15477677

oh yeah fuck the wild west.

>>15477218

Yeah my buddy /V/ has been using this term for the past 10 years

>playing as a samurai slaughtering sohei

Oh for fucks sake. Can't we have the reverse? Sohei were cool and they are under used.

>>15477673

>It's not the same company

What does that have to do with Kekmo or even Sony which had a conference releasing gameplay for their game and timed exclusive?

>>15477697

You're not a samurai, you're a ninja.

>>15477709

im a pirate

>>15477718

You're an asshole

>>15476427

i hope they plan on making this more like tenchu and less like niohborne

Why are you people assuming its a soulslike game? Because it's made by Fromsoft? They make other shit, you know. This has none of the hallmarks of a Souls game. It just looks like a shittier version of ninja gaiden.

>>15477787

>every game should be dark souls

those first 4 complaints show what a massive faggot you are.

any proof of ez mode stealth/revives?

any proof of simplified asscreed movement? pressing a button to run is fine, but holding a button to dodge obstacles is shit.

>hookshot out of any challenge

might as well complain about the stealth genre because you can sneak past any challenge. whats the complaint here? no games should have grappling hooks? or grappling hooks should only be allowed to work at scripted locations?

>activision

legitimate concern.

>>15476705

Any setting can be good, it's all about attention to detail and whether there was any meaningful inspiration. I enjoyed the swordsmith autism in display in Nioh.

>>15477812

>every game should be dark souls

Fuck off with this crybaby fanboy bullshit. It is clearly a gimped Bloodborne with some other shit lumped on top to disguise what's been taken out.

>any proof of ez mode stealth/revives?

How about you you actually know about a game before you suck it's dick. Multiple revives on death and stealth insta-kills. Why? Because this is a baby game for FROMtoddlers.

>might as well complain about the stealth genre because you can sneak past any challenge. whats the complaint here?

It's stealth/action hybrid which means whenever the game is too hard you can just hookshot out and stealth cheese all the enemies.

>>15477837

>It is clearly a gimped Bloodborne

any evidence of this? it didnt really show any of the combat**

>How about you you actually know about a game

i just have the 2 gameplay videos to go off of. where are you getting your info from?

>suck it's dick

asking for evidence/proof of your criticism is sucking its dick? are you retarded?

>cheese all the enemies

youre implying they wont be able to follow you.

>>15477777 (checked)

I really hope so too. When I first saw it I was really hoping for Tenchu, got pissed when I saw the first trailer and it looked really similar combat wise to Souls/Bloodborne BUT WITH STEALTH KILLS, FILTHY GAIJIN.

Seeing this new one, the combat looks a lot more flashy, with hopefully a good amount of stealth too. to be fair, all the neat tricks they gave you in Tenchu was pretty flashy as well if you used them. If it plays well like a DMC or Platinum game and there's plenty of moves or at least some opportunities to sneak past or stealth kill enemies, I'd be alright with it.

That being said, I hope From actually does a new Tenchu game. I'd kill for another like Wrath of Heaven, especially if it let's you fight friends with all the characters found over the course of the game.

>>15477899

tenchu is one of my favorite series. and they made me watch it die a slow death… although not as painful as watching what they did to my beloved bushido blade…

it's not really difficult, same with tenchu; have hostage type situations that make attacking to target difficult. make combat good and viable, but make the enemies powerful enough so you can't easily get away, and actually fear the enemies.

>>15477837

>better movement, faster combat, variety of new tools

>gimped Bloodborne

You have no idea what you're talking about. Still, I feel the need to clarify some things for the sake of everyone who read your retarded post. I played the gamescom demo 4 times so I certainly have a better understanding of the game than you.

>Multiple revives on death

In its current state you only get a second revive after defeating a number of enemies and they specifically emphasized that the system is still being worked on.

>stealth insta-kills.

They only work on certain enemy types though. Stronger enemies have multiple health bars and an execution move will always just deplete one of them.

>you can just hookshot out and stealth cheese all the enemies.

The hookshot has a fairly lengthy startup animation so if you're not careful you can get hit while using it. Some enemies can also climb up walls and others have projectiles they will fire at you. Boss fights are obviously mandatory and judging by the first boss they're going to be quite a step up in difficulty compared to the Souls games. I can tell you how:

The boss in the demo had 3 health bars and to deplete one of them you have to do an execution move, you can't kill him just by emptying the health bar but you also have to break his posture which regenerates over time. That means you're forced to either stay on the offensive and keep attacking at every possible opening and/or do perfectly timed blocks or counters.

The counters are called Mikiri by the way and you can only do them against thrust attacks signalled by the red "danger" symbol. The "danger" attacks aren't always thrusts though, it could also be a sweep that you can jump over so there's a good incentive to learn enemies' attack animations to defeat them quicker and look more stylish.

What the boss' health actually does is determine how fast his posture regenerates which means is a reason to actually attack the boss and not simply wait for parry opportunities.

I could go on for a while but you get the idea, there is a lot more depth to this game's mechanics than any of the Souls(-like) games had. It's certainly closer to pure action games from my experience, if I had to be specific I'd compare it to Ninja Gaiden 2 because of the combat pace, where a few well-placed hits or parries will quickly lead into an execution move in the same way NG2's OTs worked. Judging by the trailer there's also going to be wall jumps so the movement is going to be interesting. And it has enemy step from DMC.

I'm honestly getting really excited for this game, the demo just felt so fun to play.

it looks like a fun pseudo-dark souls

>>15477936

bosses require execution "press x to awesome" attacks? you cant just kill them by fighting well, youre pigeonholed into performing specific attacks after opening the opportunity?

that sounds kinda lame tbh.

the gameplay demo is retarded if this is an action game like ninja gaiden 2. is the stealth aspect really just to let you choose how you engage combat with enemies?

As a Soulsfag, I was originally pretty disappointed with this game. I'm actually pretty excited now, seems like it'll be their best game, mechanically speaking.

>>15477973

>you cant just kill them by fighting well

That's exactly what you have to do since in order to do such an attack you first have to deplete the posture gauge which starts regenerating if you're not attacking or parrying.

>is the stealth aspect really just to let you choose how you engage combat with enemies?

That's what it felt like to me but to be fair I didn't attempt to get through the level using stealth. I guess we'll have to wait for the game to release.

>>15477973

>you cant just kill them by fighting well, youre pigeonholed into performing specific attacks after opening the opportunity?

Unless I misunderstood something, seems he meant it's just to finish them off once they're at "zero" hp, or something similar.

>

>>15477914

>tenchu is one of my favorite series. and they made me watch it die a slow death…

It really did hurt to watch man, I figured the game would keep getting better but I guess all stealth games started dying out at that point

>it's not really difficult, same with tenchu; have hostage type situations that make attacking to target difficult. make combat good and viable, but make the enemies powerful enough so you can't easily get away, and actually fear the enemies.

Hopefully they do actually put forth the effort to make the game good. It will definitely come down to how they handle common enemies, in my opinion. Bosses from what an anon said earlier seems to be their own brand of hard, but making the common enemies challenging or at least intelligent would go a long way to improving the world of the game itself. With any bit of luck, the boost of interest in the setting and possible success financially might mean they'll make one last attempt at a new Tenchu game.and maybe, just maybe, it'll be fun

>>15477989

exactly, see >>15477987

I should have made it more clear that executions can only be done after the posture has been broken. It's also a very quick animation, like I said they're pretty much the OTs from Ninja Gaiden 2.

>>15477787

>>15477837

Hi /tv/

>>15477987

>>15477989

right, i just always feel like when i have a "press x to finish off the enemy" button, it takes the finishing off away from me. if i see his health is low, i want to be able to hit him with my own "finishing" attack. if its as you describe, its not "too" bad, just a small gripe i have with alot of modern games.

its like finishing a boss with a cutscene/qte vs finishing off a boss by waiting for him to have low health, then hitting him with a well timed power attack that knocks him across the room.

>>15477987

i actually dont mind that use of a stealth aspect. it allows for some strategy… do i want to drop on these guys and jump through a window and startle them with a smoke bomb? do i want to pin myself in a doorway so they cant escape or regroup? use a narrow hallway to force them to fight me 1 on 1? if utilized correctly, this can actually be a very fun mechanic in an action game.

>>15477991

youre 100% right. the boss battles barely interest me. but how they handle the common enemies is the big deal.

>>15477936

>Still, I feel the need to clarify some things for the sake of everyone who read your retarded post.

Cry if you want, I don't give a fuck

>In its current state you only get a second revive

>you only get a second revive

Oh so it's casualised garbage then? Good to know.

>They only work on certain enemy types though.

B-b-but it only works on 90% of enemies!!!

>The hookshot has a fairly lengthy startup animation so if you're not careful you can get hit while using it.

Wow, so i'll have to wait a whole two seconds to win the game? I'm not sure i'm ready for this hardcore experience!

Man i'm fucking glad I have The Surge 2 to look forward to so I don't have to defend all of Sekiro's evident missteps.

>>15478050

we get it, you want the game to be dark souls and anyone who doesnt want every game to be dark souls is a "casual" compared to you. because dark souls is so hardcore.

>>15478050

>the surge 2 to look forward to

Wait a second that sounds fa-

>the surge is a Sci Fi roleplaying game made by Deck13

Who? This also sounds

>made Lords of the Fallen

Oh there it is, the same guys who made a buggy dark souls clone with bad combat, recolored the assets for a sci-fi game, and then somehow are making a sequel to it.

I'm not defending this game, if it comes out decent that'd be nice, but what really has me honestly curious if you're not b8ing is what has you looking forward to it? It wasn't good by any means if memory serves right.

>>15478072

the first surge was an anti-fun garbage tier dark souls clone with a sci-fi skin.

surge 2 is likely going to be on the same engine.

>>15478090

i played the first level and killed the bipedal robot thing at the end that looks like robocop 2.

had no urge to continue playing.

the combat is boring and repetitive. being able to chop off limbs for parts was kinda cool, but it basically changes nothing in the gameplay, its just dark souls lock-on but giving you 3-5 lock-on points.

the fights still play out exactly the same.

name 1 thing it does that dark souls does not, that really sets it apart.

i've never played let it die.

>>15477787

>>no RPG elements

>>no stamina bar

this is a good thing

>>15478024

I don't mind when a boss has a unique execution animation. I kind of appreciate that after a grueling fight. What I hate is games that incentivize slowing down the game in the middle of combat to do one of three or so canned executions. If Sekiro has unique execution animations to separate boss "phases" I'm totally cool with that.

>>15478247

i agree with you about your 2nd point, but i play fighting games, and the last thing i want is to finish the fight with a mandatory automatic fatality i have no say in. i earned that final hit, and if i cant decide how that final hit plays out, it takes out some of the satisfaction of a fight.

what i do like, is when the guy has 1 pixel of health, and i hit him with something that sends him flying off screen.

they could easily remedy this by making it an option. the guy may be flashing red or whatever, but i can choose to finish him with a smack to the head, or a QTE. but atleast make it my decision. from the guy's description, it sounds like you dont have a choice.

>>15478295

That's a fair point. Usually the game's animation is more impressive than what the player could execute using a standard moveset, but I could see the appeal from a different angle. Maybe you use an especially effortless move just to give it a more "disrespectful" flair.

>>15478327

>the game's animation is more impressive than what the player could execute using a standard moveset,

"pressing x to awesome is more awesome than an awesome of your own creation"

wew.

might as well watch a movie. you know what would make it even more awesome? if they replaced every moveset in the game with just an awesome QTE.

how is it awesome if youre not even the one doing it?

>>15476468

>half baked

>bland

Nice buzzwords that mean nothing, you faggot.

>>15478067

I'm not going to pretend that just because somebody says something isn't Dark Souls that it isn't Dark Souls. It's clearly fucking Dark Souls. Maybe they should've distance it more if they wanted to avoid comparisons they don't because they know where the money is

>>15478072

>Oh there it is, the same guys who made a buggy dark souls clone with bad combat, recolored the assets for a sci-fi game

The Surge was heaps better than LOTF, LOTF was also made by a different studio in conjunction with Deck13. Some animations were recycled but no assets. And it would be more accurate to call it a Bloodborne clone.

>what has you looking forward to it?

The Surge was superior to Dark Souls 3 in my opinion, offering a fresh take on the sub-genre. The industrial theme, the free form upgrade system, limb cutting and more were welcome changes while Dark Souls just stagnated. The Surge 2 is improving ranged combat, adding more bosses and mini-bosses, creating a more expansive world, fixing the affinity system, adding character creation, adding online elements, making the combat even quicker, expanding the limb cut system and adding trick weapons. Essentially taking every complaint about the first game and improving it.

>>15478085

>dark souls clone with a sci-fi skin.

Confirmed for not even playing it.

>>15478104

>i played the first level and killed the bipedal robot thing at the end

You played the tutorial. It seems that everyone that complains about The Surge never even finishes Central Production B, it's like dropping Bloodborne after Gascoigne and saying it's shit.

>the fights still play out exactly the same.

You still have to make the decision of whether to target unarmored parts for damage or armored parts for gear. And mid-game introduces PROTEUS zombies that regenerate parts and have different movesets based on what you cut (they are expanding on this in The Surge 2)

>name 1 thing it does that dark souls does not, that really sets it apart.

Different setting, limb targeting system, ducking and jumping, ability to change builds at any point, energy bar that rewards aggressive play (also turtling is impossible), weapon combos.

>>15478590

You know I meant more aesthetically appealing, dipshit.