4e8142 No.15469479
Are there any games that have been considered bad or medicore in the past, and with time the perspective on them has shifted to say that they aren't really that awful, or that they look good in comparison to current year games?
DOOM 3 is often put in this kind of light nowadays although it was considered to be a lackluster sequel.
cdfb2b No.15469515
Doom 3, Quake 4 and Prey are good tech demos with great aesthetics but are shit games.
Linear level design with nothing going for it and rarely any verticality aside from Prey which does it best and has the best gameplay of all 3 but still is lackluster, unsatisfying weapons both in sound and damage output, bullet sponge enemies that complement the lackluster weapons.
Loreshit in Doom 3 is pretty barebones, especially compared to System Shock which it's trying to mimic.
At least Doom 3 has mods to fix the godawful gameplay
t.played all 3 last 2 weeks
I shat all over them then and I shit all over them now
They were the Resistance/Killzone games on PC, mediocre shit games with some nice aesthetics and "muh immersion" and not much else.
Even Half Life 2, as shit as it is, goes above them.
42e689 No.15469716
I didn't like Far Cry 2 when it came out as it was repetitive and not what I was looking for in the franchise but now it stands out as alright in comparison to 4 which downgraded all the nice touches it had.
I have also warmed up to GTA IV for similar reasons in spite of its lack of content, boring missions and poor performance, though I was blown away by the physics and detail in day one.
00bdba No.15469857
For me - Pokemon D/P when it came out - was just average. Then B/W "outdid" is and I came to appreciate it. Now I've finished Ultra Sun - the worst game I've ever played by quite some margin (how did I even got through that slog?) - and even B/W seems pretty cool now. But my favorite franchise is in the grave, so who cares…
4cc5ff No.15469949
Doom 3 got nothing but praise when it came out, are you a newfag?
837de0 No.15469956
>>15469515
>with great aesthetics
No. Yes on everything else.
497130 No.15469960
None greater than Oni. When this game first came it out it was nothing more than a failed promise. It had no multiplayer which the devs had promised and resulted in the game being a commercial flop. Today however it is a cult classic praised for its unique gameplay.
Also I'm not buying this DOOM3 is good shit.
061f98 No.15469961
>>15469479
>DOOM 3 is often put in this kind of light nowadays although it was considered to be a lackluster sequel.
Doom 3 was praised to high heavens back then. Its considered bad nowadays.
84cc00 No.15469970
It was never good but hipsters like it now because they wanna fuck the fuck girl.
837de0 No.15469980
>>15469970
>fuck the fuck girl.
???
681e6c No.15470002
>>15469970
It's better than BotW.
84cc00 No.15470011
>>15469980
Duck girl, little miss feather pubes.
>>15470002
Yeah, and getting slapped in the face is better than getting punched in the gut, but I'd rather go without either.
The thread was about games that people used to not like and warmed up to. WW fits that mold.
7c9021 No.15470184
>>15469970
> not wanting to fuck a grown up Aryll
Plebs
932989 No.15471042
Doom 3 is, in perspective, still dogshit.
Fuck off.
1096a5 No.15471095
People regarded the transition to 3D, voice acting, storytelling, and the new aesthetic in SA1 & 2 to have lead to the downfall of the Sonic franchise. I still think all that is true, but people also used to regard the Adventure games as cringeworthy crap, and now there seems to be nostalgia for them, flawed and corny games that nevertheless had a lot of heart in them.
c2434e No.15471137
>>15469956
>No
Yes, the aesthetics are 40K tier in a time where Deathwing and that shitty Relic TPS/Hack and Slash didn't exist.
Coupled with the great looking engine and lighting and it's top tier, Quake 4 has some of the most bizzare and gruesome shit in levels and it's great.
Too bad the gameplay in all of them suck shit with only Prey being salvageable being a new IP and having above average shooting gameplay.
32c35c No.15471154
>>15471095
Sonic in general is pretty awful. A platformer based on speed that forces you to slow down is backwards at best and retarded at worst.
837de0 No.15471157
>>15471154
You're hilariously inept at children's games.
6c29d1 No.15471159
>>15469961
While (((journalists))) sucked it off, I remember gamers and Doom fans being thoroughly let down by Doom 3.
c2434e No.15471160
>>15471154
>A platformer based on speed
It was never based on speed it was based on momentum physics.
You're a retard
c2434e No.15471163
>>15471159
I remember everyone sucking it off because muh graphics.
f86aca No.15471165
Super Paper Mario, maybe? Given how much worse Sticker Star and Color Splash were. It's still a departure from Paper Mario 64 and TTYD though.
>>15469857
Diamond and Pearl still have issues with being fucking slow. Platinum redeems Sinnoh a good deal on the technical end though.
6c29d1 No.15471169
>>15471163
It was the Crysis of its time (along with Far Cry 1) as it was useful as a bench marking meme game and nothing else. As a game Doom 3 was considered mediocre at best.
cc22e8 No.15471211
>>15471160
It's pretty easy to make the speed platformer assumption when:
The character's name is associated with speed.
The marketing of the series as a whole.
The character story wise is a speedster.
There are quite a few autopilot FAST sections in the games, even in the classic games.
c2434e No.15471229
>>15471169
Except Farcry and Crysis and actually really good games unlike Doom 3.
>>15471211
>The character's name is associated with speed.
Not if you were stuck in PAL regions.
1096a5 No.15471235
>>15471154
>that journo-tier take
The appeal of classic 2D Sonic games was not that you went fast, but that they gave you the potential to go fast. They were short games you could finish in one sitting and were expected to replay many times. Over the course of time you would memorize the levels and master the complex and subtle momentum-based physics, and find yourself capable of pulling off impressive feats, navigating through stages at breakneck pace with ease. It had a classic arcade-style progression, where you get better the more you play and the game rewards you by allowing you to go faster and faster.
Contrast this with something like the 2D Mario games, which had very simplistic physics, a hard speed cap that you were usually operating at, and obstacles telegraphed well in advance. Once you've played a level once you've gotten pretty much everything you could get out of it. There are only minor aspects you can make tiny improvements at, that you would have to be pretty autistic to care about. There's none of the visceral sensation of a 2D Sonic game driving you to improve.
The 3D Sonic games missed the point entirely. The physics were heavily dumbed down and the focus was placed on making the player feel fast which is not the same thing. If you just give the player speed instead of making them earn it, it's like pressing a "glory kill" button to make your avatar do something AWESOME. Maybe it's neat to see the first time, but you don't feel awesome because you aren't actually doing anything but watching the game play itself. Ironically Mario 64 did a much better job of bringing momentum-based platforming into 3D than any Sonic game did.
Also you suck at games. Nobody masters them on the first playthrough but you must have really bad reaction times if you are one of those people for which Sonic is a frustrating experience of constantly stopping.
cc22e8 No.15471252
>>15471229
>Not if you were stuck in PAL regions.
What did they call them in europoor land? Momentum the hedgehog?
c2434e No.15471288
>>15471252
We called him the Blue Blur because when shit got hectic your eyes couldn't adapt to the slowness of it all thanks to the 50hz frequency standart and shit got blurry.
a1199f No.15471289
>>15471235
>Playing levels repeatedly to get better and better at them over time increasing the speed at which you complete them and finding new ways to clear sections with your knowledge and skill
>This is possible in 2D Sonic
>But not 3D Sonic
>Boost is comparable to NuDoom's Glory Kill mechanic
I wish you would at least make new images to pair with your growing autism.
1096a5 No.15471346
>>15471289
Of course you can improve at 3D Sonic games but there are much fewer variables involved and limits on what is possible. The greatest of which, other than the simplified physics, is the homing attack, which greatly reduces the skill involved in maneuvering and creates exactly the situation that retards complain about in 2D Sonic games where you are forced to stop to chain homing attack some objects to clear an otherwise uncrossable gap. The fluid momentum is gone and in its place you have more tedious and jerky stop->fast->stop->fast flow. I think 3D Sonic games would have worked better if they kept the momentum and curved surface physics and potentially slowed the movement down to compensate.
>implying any of that was an uncommon opinion with sonicfags
1096a5 No.15471348
>>15471346
more limits on what is possible*
be2bf5 No.15471365
>>15469515
Quake 4 was a great game and you can fuck right off with that shit taste.
f629c8 No.15471381
>>15471095
Adventure games are still cringeworthy crap.
980a41 No.15471388
>>15471365
Quake 4 was garbage that turned a fast arena shooter into a mixed Call of Duty/Halo monstrosity whose only redeeming feature is the scene with no gameplay where you get turned into a Strogg.
d02049 No.15471430
>>15469515
>Even Half Life 2, as shit as it is, goes above them.
not even close, at least these games feature something resembling serviceable gunplay at the very least despite all of their issues, half-life 2 is too bulletspongey on hard mode and too easy on anything else to say the same for
c2434e No.15471450
>>15471365
>Quake was a great game
Elaborate or fuckoff
>>15471430
>at least these games feature something resembling serviceable gunplay
So does Half Life 2, difference is Half Life 2 isn't a full on shooter and more of an adventure FPS kind of deal with much better level design than all of the IdTech4 trilogy.
d02049 No.15471475
>>15471450
>"difference is Half Life 2 isn't a full on shooter"
it's literally an fps, don't be like the retarded redditors who say it's an art form or some shit. it's not an "adventure fps kind of deal", it's an fps game and it does not get put above other fps games because you arbitrarily classify it as something else
>"with much better level design than all of the IdTech4 trilogy"
>half-life 2
>good level design
it's only better than the """horror""" segments of doom 3, other than that fuck no, half-life 2's level design consists of mundane and average arenas for shootouts and physics tech demo puzzles
837de0 No.15471477
>>15471289
I'd rather play one hour or so long game multiple times than spend dozens of hours playing a game once because there's absolutely no consequence or deviation.
c2434e No.15471483
>>15471430
Oh yeah
>half-life 2 is too bulletspongey
Nigger have you played any of the games I mentioned?
At least Combines have the decency to die in one hit with some weapons, try that shit in either of the three IdTech4 games.
Literally only the BFG tier weapon can kill the common enemies in one hit outside point blank shotgun which still needs to be pounted at the head and that still somehow misses 20% of the time because the spread and the 6 pellet count is simply that bad.
Half Life 2 isn't nearly as bulletspongey as the IdTech4 games, not even close, Combine die with 2 shotgun blasts in mid range and pointblank if you double barrel that shit and Revolver is a one hit kill headshot and the Crossbow a one hit kill.
FUCKING QUAKE 4s RAILGUN DOESN'T KILL BASIC HUMANOID ENEMIES IN A SINGLE HIT WITH HEADSHOTS, THE FUCKING RAILGUN FOR FUCKS SAKE!!!
Half Life 2 has garbage combat but still 10 times better than any IdTech4 game.
f6d945 No.15471491
>>15471165
>Diamond and Pearl still have issues with being fucking slow. Platinum redeems Sinnoh a good deal on the technical end though.
I agree, but they avoid most of B/W's (worse) issues. They are quite similar to Emerald, quality wise, honestly…plus the great addition of physical / special split. I've skipped X/Y…so the fuckery in USUM hit me like a fucking rock. Constant fucking talking, "barricades", boring characters, petting Pokemon that just ends up being annoying, shit story, ZERO difficulty and fucking BORING trials - and then they shower you with items and "Roto-Powers" (which would be cool if there was challenge in this game…). The soundtrack - always a high point of the series - is fucking absolute SHIT (except Guzma's theme - who's the only decent character as well). Mantine Surf minigame is literally the best part of USUM…how sad.
RIP Pokemon, it was nice knowing you. Thanks for all the good years.
d02049 No.15471497
>>15471483
>At least Combines have the decency to die in one hit with some weapons
weapons with expensive ammo, yes. this isn't an argument in favor of the gunplay, 3 weapons out of all of them in hl2 are not complete trash which is almost worse than all of them being bad imo for the inconsistency.
>Literally only the BFG tier weapon can kill the common enemies in one hit outside point blank shotgun which still needs to be pounted at the head and that still somehow misses 20% of the time because the spread and the 6 pellet count is simply that bad.
i just replayed doom 3 and i had zero issues with bulletspongeyness, it's not realistic but it's not unsatisfying which is perfect unlike hl2 where it's just shitty to shoot combines
>Combine die with 2 shotgun blasts in mid range and pointblank if you double barrel that shit and Revolver is a one hit kill headshot and the Crossbow a one hit kill.
read above
>FUCKING QUAKE 4s RAILGUN DOESN'T KILL BASIC HUMANOID ENEMIES IN A SINGLE HIT WITH HEADSHOTS, THE FUCKING RAILGUN FOR FUCKS SAKE!!!
never played quake 4 so i'm talking about doom 3 here as that's what the thread is about but that sounds bad
>Half Life 2 has garbage combat but still 10 times better than any IdTech4 game.
no because while hl2 and doom 3 have infinite problems, doom 3 still has the superior gameplay thus at the end of the day it's a superior game
c2434e No.15471523
>>15471475
>it's literally an fps
With adventure game elements, IdTech4 games outside Prey are pure FPS outside the single garbage puzzle they have.
It's part of the reason Prey is the better of the bunch, plenty of physics fuckery and puzzles to break tension, which wouldn't be needed if the combat wasn't pure shit of course, but this is IdTech4 games we're talking about here.
>half-life 2's level design consists of mundane and average arenas for shootouts and physics tech demo puzzles
Still better than boring metal corridors and 100% scripted events.
At least there's some dynamism to Half Life 2s combat due to the A.I and the physics system, Doom 3 and company is literally nothing more but a some scripted events on some corridors with pretty lighting and shit combat.
>If you don't think Half Life 2 is inferior to every game because Reddit likes it you're Reddit
Stop trying to fit in you faggot, you're comparing average to mediocre.
c2434e No.15471540
>>15471497
>Only 3
Better than 1
<i just replayed doom 3 and i had zero issues with bulletspongeyness
>Same game where a shotgun takes 3 hits to kill an imp, half a mag of the Machine Gun and 1/4 of the mag of a Chaingun
>Same game that forces you to use the Plasma Rifle for everything late game without the need for anything else and still 7 hits of it to kill a single imp
Stopped reading right there
Kill yourself
6c29d1 No.15471541
>>15471229
>Farcry and Crysis and actually really good games
Oh I'm laffin m8.
They're meme games meant to test your hardware at the time. They're better games than Doom 3, but that's like saying getting slapped in the face is better than getting kicked in the nuts.
c2434e No.15471555
>>15471541
>They're meme games meant to test your hardware at the time.
They're tacticool FPS mixed with action FPS plus the tech.
FarCry balances things with sway and Crysis balances things out with both sway and Open Areas.
Both force you to position yourself well to take out all enemies or take enemies one by one.
Both force you to crouch/prone to compesate the sway.
Both don't force you to use stealth but they still work well, both have great gunplay and both have
Both have great visuals and physics and decent A.I
You wouldn't know a good game if it hit you on the face.
Tell me all about your shit taste
d02049 No.15471567
>>15471523
>With adventure game elements
https://www.google.com/search?q=what+genre+is+half+life+2&rlz=1C1ASUM_enUS736US736&oq=what+genre+is+half+life+2&aqs=chrome..69i57.2439j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
the entire internet disagrees with your classification
>It's part of the reason Prey is the better of the bunch, plenty of physics fuckery and puzzles to break tension
except physics puzzles in hl2 exist only to show what the engine can do and for literally no other reason because the game is a glorified tech demo
>Still better than boring metal corridors and 100% scripted events.
not even remotely, metal corridors can be designed well (doom and quake) and inherently fit well for fps design unlike the wide open areas of hl2, doom 3 may have mundane corridors but half-life 2s are mundane and simultaneously less fit for the genre. it only wins in aesthetics which are irrelevant.
>At least there's some dynamism to Half Life 2s combat due to the A.I and the physics system, Doom 3 and company is literally nothing more but a some scripted events on some corridors with pretty lighting and shit combat.
when the fuck was the last time you even played hl2 because 99% of the time combines charge at you like braindead tards and physics does nothing except occasionally make a soda can fly across the room during combat, physics can be humorous yes but it doesn't improve gameplay, if anything all it can possibly do it degrade it as it can kill the player via glitches
>Stop trying to fit in you faggot, you're comparing average to mediocre.
no, i'm comparing average to average and i only called your arbitrary classification of a game reddit calls an artform to be reddit tier
>>15471540
>Same game where a shotgun takes 3 hits to kill an imp, half a mag of the Machine Gun and 1/4 of the mag of a Chaingun
i see zero issue with this, this is under 2 seconds to kill an imp which fits with the gameplay. you need to hold mouse1 with an smg over a combine for 4+ seconds to kill him in hl2 from 10 meters away which is beyond irredeemable trash.
>Stopped reading right there
non-argument
6c29d1 No.15471601
>>15471555
>They're tacticool FPS
Nice trips, but no.
SWAT 3 and 4, Rainbow 6, those are tacticool games. Far Cry and Crysis are stealth lite games that make you think they're tacticool because you sneak around a wide open area against enemies that oscillate between being dumb as bricks or precognisant. You wouldn't know a tacticool game if it hit you on the face.
In fact, Crysis is perfect for this thread. A game considered wildly overrated until a few years on people started proclaiming it as good.
2b67d7 No.15471639
>>15471567
>The whole Internet
I sure am glad Google, Wikipedo and Facebook have my back.
>except physics puzzles in hl2 exist only to show what the engine can do and for literally no other reason
So do Prey ones, what's your point?
>Doom and Quake were only metal corridors
Thanks /v/eddit
>it only wins in aesthetics
And gameplay of which it has more more variety like something as simple as verticality which is barely used outside Prey.
>99% of the time combines charge at you like braindead tards and physics does nothing except occasionally make a soda can fly across the room during combat
They change cover several times depending on your behaviour making some playthroughts different and physics will also change their behaviour
That doesn't happen with any of the IdTech4 games.
>physics can be humorous yes but it doesn't improve gameplay
Yes they certainly can, Gravity Gun made Half Life 2 not complete shit.
>Glitches
You're really stretching it now
>i'm comparing average to average
No you're comparing average to mediocre
IdTech4 games are pure mediocrity, Half Life 2 is at least average since it's combat is actually better and it doesn't focus purely in combat.
>Shotgun and Machingun in Doom 3 is under 2 seconds
>Half Life 2 is 4 seconds
And now you're just lying
Tell me, where did the Half Life 2 touch you /v/eddit?
>>15471601
>SWAT 3 and 4, Rainbow 6, those are tacticool games
Those are literally tactical FPS not tacticool.
You're a fucking idiot
What's next?
Nothing is tactical because Arma exists?
fe2a9a No.15471698
>>15471682
Man HL2 fans are pathetic, after getting bodied by Halo 2 fans they're now getting dragged by Doom 3 fans. Will the carnage ever end? Will their game ever be good again?
4a3a43 No.15471704
Mario Kart: Double Dash!! Lacked features like Quick Race from the GBA version, karts were more bouncy, certain standard items were character exclusive, battle mode didn't feel as good as MK64 (especially when most of the stages were bad).
For the positive, the game did have slightly higher skill ceiling than previous MK, couldn't hold items behind your kart as a shield but since you had two characters to hold items each, a player required better timing (and more skill) to defend themselves by firing an item backwards at the right moment. Swapping the driver character would give you their relevant weight/speed attribute which acted like a simple gear shift (start with a light or middle weight driver for the acceleration then switch to heavyweight to get higher top speed). Unlike MK64 lack of difficulty (get 5th or below and retry the race), the scoring system for GP mode was improved and is possible to finish terribly and even get 0 points in a race. While the Mix Cup served as a 16 track grand prix of all the tracks that had to be completed in a single sitting (+40 minutes) with the final winning scores going well over 100 points which made for an awesome challenge. The new co-op mode was also a fun addition.
At the time Double Dash style two man karts seemed like it was going to be the future of the series, then MK DS was unveiled at E3 2004 (over 8 months after MKDD release) showing that they wouldn't return. Now over a decade later, and 3 more new MK installments, they still haven't returned even when they could have been a perfect addition for replacing the standard single person karts for Mario Kart 8 Deluxe.
fe2a9a No.15471755
>>15471713
first post in the thread you paranoid schizo, just observing from afar. HL2 will never be good, and it's a real shame.
253576 No.15471758
>>15471755
Keep trying, I'm sure you'll get there eventually.
fe2a9a No.15471764
>>15471758
Thanks mom, you always did believe in me. Shame Valve believed in 3 hours of vehicle sections, gimmicky platforming sections, meme humor, awful feeling weapons and pathetic enemy variety. At least it all looked pretty.
6a5dbe No.15471777
>>15469515
Why is this here? /v/ of all places? Fuck Maddox, but here?
253576 No.15471791
>>15471764
Are you ok anon?
You seem to be hallucinating
>>15471777 (checked)
I felt like it that's why
fe2a9a No.15471798
>>15471791
I'm just accurately describing HL2. Even Doom 3 had the decency to have skippable cutscenes.
>>15471777
jewish infiltration seems like
253576 No.15471821
>>15471798
>Even Doom 3 had the decency to have skippable cutscenes
Shame it didn't have the decency to have good gameplay
At least what little of it there's in Half Life 2 actually exists.
fe2a9a No.15471825
>>15471821
>At least what little of it there's in Half Life 2 actually exists.
At least you never said it was good, or else we'd have a problem. Doom 3 is definitely not a great game, but it still manages to play better than Half-game 2.
291b42 No.15471894
>>15471825
Half Life 2 is the best game ever
What are you going to do about it /v/eddit?
You can't do shit
>but it still manages to play better than Half-game 2
Considering it has inferior gameplay, level design and music, no it does not play better.
It has better lighting and that's about it.
Doom 3 doesn't even have the decency to keep the corpses of the enemies you kill.
As bad as Half Life 2 is it's not as bad as IdTech4 shootans.
Simple as that
0bb780 No.15471907
Half-Life 2 has one of the worst level designs imaginable
Realism is BORING, theres reason why any entry of Wolfenstein, Doom and Quake blows it away
0bb780 No.15471914
Lost Coast Tech Demo of Half-Life 2 is probably one of the only levels that is remotely interesting
well that and the Citadel
ff0a67 No.15471918
>>15471907
>>15471912
Level design =/= Art design
0bb780 No.15471924
ofcourse gameplay wise they are pretty imaginative and things to do there are great
0bb780 No.15471930
>>15471926
it is designed around church thou
82dfc7 No.15471964
>>15470002
As empty and dull as BotW was, it still had more shit to do in it than WW:^)
a882fe No.15471993
>>15471289
>Gets blown the fuck out
>"Y-you autist!"
>He actually thinks a Sonicfag would be affected by being called an autist.
I started playing Sonic Advance yesterday. It's pretty damn fun and different compared to the Mario stuff I usually play
9dfbea No.15472045
1d7d35 No.15472062
personally?
i always thought ff7 was bad then i played it
solid 9.5/10
fe2a9a No.15472065
>>15472062
Genuinely great game with really fun characters and excellent story moments
cd75c4 No.15472072
>>15472062
>>15472065
Pure garbage that doesn't even come close to Chrono Trigger.
fe2a9a No.15472076
>>15472072
they're both generic shonen shit stories, nothing wrong with appreciating both for what they are.
cd75c4 No.15472084
>>15472076
Except one is comfy and the other isn't.
fe2a9a No.15472092
>>15472084
okay, they're pretty much the same kind of thing and are both perfectly enjoyable for what they are. You aren't really giving me anything to work with here, just coming off as kinda insecure bud.
d9512f No.15472094
>>15472084
This is true, FF7 is very comfy flying around in the highwind with the overworld music.
fe2a9a No.15472099
>>15472094
Or visiting any of its many excellently designed towns.
a882fe No.15473466
>>15472045
>Mark
>Playing anything but Mario
932989 No.15473482
>>15471365
>>15471388
Only the half where you play as a stroggified dude is good.
>>15471430
>>15469515
Half-Life 1 is good. HL2 is a shitty tech demo.
3bd8ea No.15473706
Surprised people haven't brought up MGS2. At the time people didn't like playing as Raiden or the complicated plot, but as time has gone on it's now held up as a masterpiece in storytelling and social commentary
12c5e1 No.15473761
>>15471235
He learned it from redlettermedia.
He's literally parroting a shitty video by Rich Evans and AIDS Moby.
9b2c0e No.15473795
Is and will always be the best game that people hate for the worst reasons.
The closest example of a skill based RPG game with PVP that actually ended up being almost completely balanced with mechanics that integrated the singleplayer and multilayer experience into one.
Never have I seen people misunderstand mechanics and discard them so vehemently because of problems that realistically don't occur or were fixed shortly after release.
All of you faggots that shit on this game, I actually wish nothing but suffering for you as you're making yourself out to be an example of mob mentality and genuine stupidity. You're a blight.
9b2c0e No.15473800
>>15473795
>RPG game
I've made worse mistakes.
c78964 No.15473802
>>15471165
>>15469857
Do B/W or the sequels have any challenge to them? Platinum is my favorite since its the only one I found to be remotely difficult, though maybe I just had a shit team. I tried X/Y and they were absolutely trivial, it was insulting.
ac93ca No.15473817
>>15473795
No one ever said the PVP was bad, it's just that the game is awful for a sequel to Dark Souls, in the way it plays, in the way the areas are designed and how bosses are boring, how the construction of the map was lazy and didn't make any sense and how it shat on the lore.
28140b No.15473823
>>15473795
All From/Soulsfags should be gassed honestly
90% of of them have never played Kings Field or AC before 4.
Much less things like Otogi
All Souls are ok even if iterative.
From always did shit like this
9b2c0e No.15473828
>>15473823
You make no point and a violent generalization I can't agree with.
Why do you keep breathing?
28140b No.15473833
>>15473828
I changed my mind
DS2 is shit and so is your taste
9b2c0e No.15473836
>>15473817
The issue is with the reception of the game and the interactions between the parties of differing opinion. Couldn't tell you how much undeserved shit I've received for admitting I played or liked 2.
9b2c0e No.15473840
>>15473833
You state nothing of value.
Why do you keep breathing?
7c3433 No.15473842
>>15473795
I think 1 is better for a first playthrough but 2 has the most replayability for me, 3 was a flanderisation of the formula.
7b2191 No.15473849
>>15473795
If they brought Scholar of the First Sin + all DLC out immediately on release then it would've had better reception.
9b2c0e No.15473851
>>15473842
Yea, DaS had more to learn from first exposure.
9b2c0e No.15473853
>>15473849
Blame the market and the publisher, not the devs.
c96a63 No.15473859
Doom 3 was always a shitty Half Life clone. The best part of the game was their rendition of Hell. Just about everything else sucked. Story was told as painfully as possible through audio logs and emails. The setpieces sucked and used extremely worn out horror cliches without a hint of the camp that gave the original games their charm. Shotgun, despite being powerful, had about as much range as a sneeze. They didn't need two rapid fire bullet weapons. Monster closets are just as numerous as before, but more annoying because every level is a tight corridor and Doomguy is slow as fuck. Cyberdemon was a glorified puzzle boss.
7b2191 No.15473861
>>15473853
Devs are order by the publisher to split content into DLC, and in other cases like all the indie shit coming out DLC is deliberate on the devs part too. Gotta have those shekels goyim.
9b2c0e No.15473872
>>15473861
Duh.
Any responsible person knows you have to play ball or lose your way of life. We all know currency incites exploitation and enables shirt people. Blaming the people who do make good things for conditions imposed on them by their circumstances will net nothing for you. If you're going to speak about it then address it as a problem with an agreeable solution or an unavoidable facet of life. Blaming without taking action is the same as the dev that plays ball.
797757 No.15473899
>>15473872
>Duh
>Apologist
Goddamnit reddit, just leave already
9b2c0e No.15473912
>>15473899
>acting like people don't know that life is shit and things won't get better until they fucking man up and bite they he bullet
Don't flatter yourself by acting like this knowledge is sacred. Some people just don't circle jerk over it and try to live around it.
You leave. You don't contribute anything. End yourself.
c96a63 No.15473934
>>15473872
>>15473912
The problem with your retarded statement is that if no one takes action, things will continue on the same path. Devs are in a shit situation but every time they decide that their "job security" (a joke of a concept in the game industry) is worth more than making a good game, they perpetuate the cycle. If they don't take a stand who will? Managers balancing budget sheets? The truth is that everyone involved is responsible.
7b2191 No.15473936
>>15473872
>Any responsible person knows you have to play ball or lose your way of life.
Only cucks would use that kind of logic to let themselves get reamed in the ass. From Software is a jap dev meaning that everyone in the company is on the company's side implicitly. It is a very culturally ingrained thing for the company to take precedence to even their own lives or personal belief.
Everyone in the project is guilty of being complicit in milking a half finished game for DLC. So fuck 'em.
9b2c0e No.15473964
>>15473934
>>15473936
Then you're also guilty for playing games and discussing them instead of running in there and murdering the people responsible. You thinking you're separated from the issue is an illusion if you're assuming that they are not. The separation they see has much more of an impact than your actions but you still influence it being a part of the market they are selling to, even if you're not spending money.
Where is this separation from what they are not doing against what YOU are not doing? Why are you not to blame for the problems in your world and in the gaming industry but they are? They are creating and you are complaining and blaming. What are you contributing?
You're not.
You're fucking sitting there and bitching about the circumstances if what you enjoy. By all means you can be allowed to do that but do not express disdain towards those parties with no respect to the hypocrisy. What makes you above that judgement? You're not making those games. You're not making better games are you? You're not dragging the publishers head against the sidewalk and humiliating them for their shameless actions. What are you doing that gives you the right to call them cowards?
9b2c0e No.15473988
>>15473936
>>15473934
Do you have anything to say you limp wristed faggots?
Gonna keep placing blame and acting like life is so easy to control?
Are you just gonna keep complaining over the Internet and calling people stupid for not doing what you won't and can't?
9b2c0e No.15474004
>>15473936
>>15473934
Things are getting worse and will continue to do so.
How is it being a cuck to avoid getting reamed in the ass when you're already being reamed in the ass? I don't think it's being a cuck when you've never had the control over the woman and you're just reducing the size of the dick that's perforating your colon. You assume you EVER had that proviledge. You're just dillusional. Not everyone is willing to give up everything for the sake of an effort that would likely just be used as a martyr for the opposite cause.
Quit using such half-assed, BITCH logic
9b2c0e No.15474020
>>15474017
Did you have anything to contribute?
Go back to reddit if you're trying to downvote.
a7bac9 No.15474029
>>15474020
>He's doubling down while trying to fit in now
4ba5da No.15474032
>>15474029
>He's making shitposts
c96a63 No.15474033
>>15474020
>>15473964
>getting this autistically furious at anons
>instead of the people actually perpetuating the issue
>"y-you didn't reply immediately that means I win by default and not that you have a job"
I'm contributing by not buying games. That's literally all it takes. Checkmate, faggot.
5b653a No.15474049
>>15474032
>Not shitposting in nu/v/
WEW
4ba5da No.15474051
>>15474033
When did I said they did or did not jobs or that I won?
What are you trying to say? Wanna just say it instead?
4ba5da No.15474056
>>15474051
>mobile posting
God android keyboard is shit and I regret buying this piece of shit
c96a63 No.15474267
>>15474051
>What are you trying to say? Wanna just say it instead?
Only if you learn to read first. How the fuck could I even make my post any more direct? By the way you're leaking spaghetti all over the place with your phoneposting and shit.
76a4af No.15477298
>>15469479
God Hand seems to be the biggest one. IGN gave it a 3/10 only to then later on literally put it in their top 100 PS2 games of all time list.
MGS2 is also probably more appreciated today than it likely was on its release in regards to the story.
203b98 No.15477903
>>15469970
It's the game that hold back dark and gritty for some time before Twilight Princess. It's perfectly fine, if not an amazing game. It has it's details like the sailing, but the Wii U fixed a lot of these problems.
Only dark and gritty fags didn't like it.
>>15470184
>grown up
>Not just fucking her as it is
>>15471095
I played both of them on release back in the Dreamcast, havig playing previous sonic games when I was around 8 or 9. I loved them then and I love them now. It's true most of the things you said about the game, but I wouldn't say it's the downfall of the franchise when Sonic was already trying to be pretty edgy before SA1 since that's the narrative Sega was pushing for against Nintendo.
Sonic downfall is the fact that Sega is really retarded when it doesn't want to, proof being the new sonic kart game.
>It's cringe worthy and corny
Sure, but does that make it bad? If something, I must complain at people saying Sonic '06 is crap because of it's glitches when the previous Adventure games had similar if not the same glitches. '06 is crap, but it's far beyond it's glitches LIKE FURRY/HUMAN LOVE FOR EXAMPLE
>>15471235
You say all of this as if there weren't scripted sequences or areas like some ramps. Plus SA1 and 2 didn't have a boost button.
>>15471252
>>15471288
Thanks for the laugh.
>>15471491
I'm pretty sure D/P were considered "Normal" was because Emerald and the like came out before them and those were pretty damn good.
>d/p remake with platinum additions never ever
You know what missed the point hard? OR/AS. See, SS/HG were the remakes of Gold and Silver with more content and basically revamped stuff. Even though OR/AS story is more or less revamped it miss the additions Emerald had both gameplaywise and storywise.
Was US/UM marginally better than S/M though?
>>15471601
Anon specified Crysis and Farcry to be tacticool fps, not just tacticool, he should have said action fps, though, but doesn't change the fact that you're dense as fuck. As he said, you're not forced to stealth, but you are prompted to and if you can you can just kill spree.
Sure, they are not perfect, they are actually overrated, but that doesn't mean they are not good at all, fag.
>>15471704
Would have been nice if they added a "team" race in Mario Kart 8 in the liked of MKDD as an extra mode at the very least.
>>15473485
It was liked then and still liked now. What was the problem?
>>15473795
Gameplaywise it only fixed a few things from DS1. Everything else including level design and aesthetic was worst here. Suck a dick.
0425a5 No.15478214
>>15474056
>admitting to mobile posting
Should be a bannable offense tbh.
33a2c3 No.15478633
>>15469515
what mods do you recommend to make doom 3 bearable?
84cc00 No.15478738
>>15477903
>Only dark and gritty fags didn't like it.
I think TP is shit.
I also think WW is shit.
For WW, the sailing killed the gameplay, the bland characters killed the story, and the mediocre music and me not liking the artstyle killed the presentation. I didn't see anything redeeming in WW.
97c64b No.15478874
>>15470002
Do people unironically think Skyward Sword is better than BotW, though?
b6d73a No.15478896
>>15478874
I think they're both equally good. They're kind of opposite games, and one shines in the ways the other doesn't. Also, pretty much every single element of BotW was either an extension of something in Skyward Sword, or addressing a criticism in Skyward Sword.
b6d73a No.15478933
>>15471165
I agree with Super Paper Mario. Most people I know now seem to like it, but it was reviled back in the day. The general consensus is that it's a really solid, unique game, even if it was hardly a Paper Mario game.
6e7390 No.15483699
>>15469479
Doom 3 was always considered to be a good game but a bad sequel.
b32513 No.15483794
>>15469515
>Doom 3, Quake 4 and Prey are good tech demos
>and Prey
No one ever cared about Prey, it sold like shit and was dismissed for the third rate Doom 3 clone it is. Cut it out with the shilling JUST because nuPrey raped you a new butthole.
b32513 No.15483841
>>15471450
>Half-Life 2 is a full on shooter
>>15471475
>no it's arenas for shootouts
The 'retarded child speaks' segment is over, so here's the accurate explanation of the Half-Life series: it's FPS with an emphasis on enviromental danger.
>physics demo
When HL2 came out, people actually thought that things like the gravity gun would become a staple of first person shooters. Doom 3 modders immediately created a mod for it, its expansion pack Resurrection of Evil did it for real. THAT is the actual physics of HL2, their GAMEPLAY side, which is still unsurpassed. Not your faggot Havoc for ragdolls.
1c077b No.15483861
>>15483794
It helped that prey 2 made by the original prey devs looked really good.
b32513 No.15483921
>>15478633
>what mods do you recommend to make doom 3 bearable?
Perfected Doom 3 for a ton of fun weapons, Overthinked Doom 3 if you want less items.
65809d No.15483952
>>15469479
Gimmick! received mediocre reviews when it came out. Nowadays it's considered one of the greatest japanese-only Famicom games.
adaeed No.15483977
>>15478896
>Also, pretty much every single element of BotW was either an extension of something in Skyward Sword, or addressing a criticism in Skyward Sword.
They sure didn't have a problem with continuing to fill the game with a fuck load of useless items. Every item in just about every previous Zelda game felt like it had a place even though there was a ton of them. SS and BotW just added a ton of frivolous shit to collect that absolutely did not need to be there. It made Banjo-Kazooie look like an easter egg hunt.
203b98 No.15484000
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>>15478738
>My opinions are facts
Sailing was fixed in the remaster. TLoZ games barely have any story for them to be "bland" and even then they were charming as fuck Poor girl, duck girl and of course Tetra, and the music is one of the best of the serie.
You're just a fag.
1feb09 No.15484002
>>15471601
>A game considered wildly overrated until a few years on people started proclaiming it as good.
This may be a case of sour grapes:
>tries to run it on crap computer
>performance is terrible
>"meh it's just a tech demo not a real game"
When you can run it well, Crysis is a very good game. And it still looks better than newer games in some ways.
203b98 No.15484012
>>15483977
That's something that came from the idea of "specific items for specific dungeons suck". Between Worlds is proof of that. Collectibles are cool, though.
4e1cca No.15484048
>>15469960
There has to be some talented people who want to make a fan sequel, where the fuck is it already
4e1cca No.15484057
>>15472072
>Akira Toriyama save da wurld from da bed guy, but is actually only doing bad cuz it needs 2 liv so sad :((
LOL
1feb09 No.15484078
The awful new Wolfensteins made me give '09 a new chance. And for some reason I find it much more enjoyable than I did before. It's really the last good one in the series.
4a3a43 No.15484083
>>15478874
>Skyward Sword
A 3D video game with motion control sword combat made by Nintendo was finally nice to experience (outside the delay when stabbing) after 5 years since the Wii's launch (or 2.5 years after MotionPlus was released). Though they managed to make the fucking overworld that was the sky boring to fly through and having a harp as a motion control instrument was a strange and also poorly executed choice.
I think part of the praise/hype for BoTW was just the change to the open world/non-linear approach akin to the original NES Zelda and being able to complete puzzles in multiple ways, though that resulted in a large empty world and the shrines being used as quick mini dungeons.
b32513 No.15485925
>>15484083
>I think part of the praise/hype for BoTW was just the
It's graphics. Normalfags only care about graphics. When you see someone getting hype, in his head he's lusting after the graphics.
9603cc No.15485959
>>15469515
hl2 has abysmal gunplay so i'd rate it lower than all three of those
it is the most like a tech demo, a physics tech demo, and it was impressive and fun to play with at the time. but as a game it's just not fun to play. the only thing that makes u push on through is the constant novelty, it's gimicky as fuck, every new scene plays differently, and it must be this way because the actual core gameplay is fucking abysmal
9603cc No.15485965
>>15471169
crysis was great at the time and it's still great
you're just an npc that has to be forced through a rat maze to have fun
9603cc No.15485976
>>15484078
The new order is good, you trendy nellie
23124f No.15486140
Wrong
DooM 3 was alright when it came out mostly because of the graphics, the gameplay was way more console-ish than the new one but not as bad Riddck
Nowadays its fucking shit
If you are on the retards that hated it because of MUH FLASHLIGHT, kill yourself
Quake 4 and Prey were way more memorable, Quake 4 had the same problem where the beggining of the game was fucking shit until it suddendly becomes goods, it was also the shortest of the 3
23124f No.15486142
>>15484078
>>15484078
> last good one in the series
nigger is better the older ones
bd43ca No.15486148
>>15486140
Riddick actually had good gameplay, unlike d3.
23124f No.15486149
>>15471169
both Far cry 1 and Crysis are near perfect classics which the sequels were ruined by brainded mongolods like you
shut your retard mouth
23124f No.15486152
>>15486148
Riddick gameplay is pure console trash, Dark Athena fixed this a bit but the graphics in that game are aids with that over compensating lighting
cca13a No.15498824
3875ce No.15498915
>>15498824
Saying that Far Cry 1 was the "Cysis of it's time" is pretty retarded, the CryEngine it uses was deliberately designed to be compatible with the Nvida's GeForce 3 because it started as a tech demo. So the bar for what you'd need to play it was significantly lower then Crysis.
b8b5b7 No.15498994
>>15486152
I wonder how many gallons of cum you drank to have such a retarded opinion?
2409c8 No.15499048
Nigger, people ate up Doom 3 when it came out. It was one of the most popular games the year it came out.
>>15471095
The gameplay was a bit janky at times, but the games were always fun. Plus, no game has ever come anywhere close to replicating the fun of the Chao Garden.
cca13a No.15499055
>>15498915
>retarded
>literally made by the same developers
Dumbass.
1e54da No.15499090
892fa4 No.15499116
>>15486152
Doom 3 is also console trash, the gameplay was obviously done to pander to Xbox owners.
At least Riddick was enjoyable and had variety
>>15499055
Actually read the post you're replying to, maybe then you won't looks like a fucking retard while posting online anonymously.
9d4f8d No.15499117
>>15473706
I suppose some of the shit "coming true" has something to do with it. Colonel's speech is held up as some sort of forewarning by Kojima but people growing up with it didn't understand the concepts at the time. Also, didn't the gubment have something called SOP they were trying to push through a few years back? My memory is shit nowadays.
MGS is my favourite series, but the Plant sucks fucking balls. Tanker and some of the VR missions are the best.
51c4f6 No.15499138
>>15469515
What's wrong with linear levels? It's not as if open world shooters such as Far Cry didn't suck hard.
51c4f6 No.15499159
Daikatana > all post 00's shooters
It's honestly a great game let down by some crappy companion AI.
203b98 No.15499162
>>15499138
>Far Cry
>Open world
Are you being stupid on purpose?
51c4f6 No.15499211
>>15499162
It was where the cancer began. Sure the first game wasn't technically open world but it did feature these big open spaces and people pretended that it was good level design because they were impressed by the size of them. But it's pure shit, the best levels are the small compact ones, particularly the arcade like ones from the 90s where everything was interconnected.
The nonlinear level design meme always resulted in trash.
1cbd95 No.15511619
>>15497322
>>15498911
>>15498604
>>15499097
>>15498508
9c5d4a No.15511943
732fc1 No.15512036
>>15486152
>we've gone so far that Riddick is now a bad game
cca13a No.15513490
>>15499116
>crysis wasn't made by the same developers as far cry 1
fef52a No.15513583
>>15484078
What? The New Order was (and still is) pretty fucking good. Bethesda just ruined it by following up that masterpiece by the shitshow that is The New Colossus
cca13a No.15514217
>>15513583
They probably got criticized for not being anti nazi enough first time around.
3875ce No.15514313
>>15513490
Congrats Anon, you have effectively demonstrated that you are incapable of reading comprehension proving you're retarded.
different version of an engine or even different engine entirely =/= different developers
Far Cry's version of Cryengine is even tied to the series via copyright.
b689de No.15514427
>>15469479
Doom 3 is still bad. But IIRC people praised the game when it came out. It's only now looked back on with hostility because of how it betrayed the classic FPS formula by trying to be a lousy survival horror. In fact (pic related) was a better first-person shooter and only poorly reviewed because of modern soyboy game reviewers where turned off by its "sexism". DNF isn't great but not as bad as the lügenpresse would have you believe
>>15473795
>revisionist history
It was always considered a good game but it was also always considered a bad Dark Souls game.
>the PVP
the PvP was the best part of DkS2, it was the "Soul level" matchmaking that fucked it up. Are you baiting or are you just pretending to be retarded?
>>15473706
I still hate Raiden, but this post is likely the most relevant to the thread considering how prophetic that game is.
>>15472062
I didn't hate FF7, but I thought it was a downgrade compared to the previous games and saw the FMV's as a gimmick to cater to a casual audience. The newfags who came in with FF7 as their first game where cancer.
>>15469960
I still haven't played this game but it looks cool.