309dfe No.15457941
I always hear about pirates saying you should simply pirate a game and pay the devs. That way you can give credit to the dev who did most of the work and not the publisher or something like Steam.
My question is, how many of you have actually done this and how? Patreon and things like Pixivbox are a tools used to support artists and other creators but how would you actually go about paying someone who doesn't have these and who do you send money to considering it's usually a team that makes the game?
ab4e12 No.15457979
>>15457941
>I always hear about pirates saying you should simply pirate a game and pay the devs.
No one says this.
e5ed71 No.15458013
>>15457979
Anons of this very board have posted pictures of them sending money in envelopes to the offices of game developers. Just goes to show how much of a newfag you are.
309dfe No.15458024
>>15457979
I've heard it plenty of times. Here's a recent example. Blade Strangers is a fighting game many discourage buying because you'll be supporting Nicalis. So people don't want to support them but they don't mind supporting the actual devs. People have been saying this in the fighting game threads for ages now.
e5ed71 No.15458054
>>15458025
I didn't save a screencap. But the gist of it was an anon pirated a PC game that's not available on steam and sent $20 in an envelope to the developer's office address.
>>15458031
This tbh
c4cfe3 No.15458090
>>15458024
>not paying Nicalis
Remind me why people think they're bad again?
309dfe No.15458166
>>15458090
>Plaster their name all over works they simply published without crediting the actual devs (you can even see this in the Blade Strangers PVs). Sometimes they even steal works from other devs.
>Slow as shit. Were hired to make a port for the Wii for a game and they never even bothered. The original company got someone else to do it and it didn't take them long at all.
There are many reason but I haven't kept up with them. I haven't been keeping up with them unlike NISA, Sekai Project, and EA.
e9fad6 No.15458180
>>15458166
>Plaster their name all over works they simply published without crediting the actual devs (you can even see this in the Blade Strangers PVs). Sometimes they even steal works from other devs.
Out of curiosity, do you just mean as a "front cover" sort of crediting, or did they strip the developers names from the entire work in place of their own self-importance? Just saying, since a lot of times developers don't get front cover prominence if the company isn't self publishing, and you'd have to look on the back of the cover, in the manual, or play the game to actually know otherwise.
584ae1 No.15458196
>>15457979
>>15458025
>he doesn't know about Seismic
Your new is showing.
43b0af No.15459694
Until developers set up ways to pay them directly I am never doing this.
309dfe No.15459843
>>15458180
On the Blade Strangers back cover you can actually see the devs. But on the ads it's only Nicalis. Though I remember hearing about them actually taking over some properties from other devs.
>>15458196
Knowing Seismic and knowing one anon sent him money are two totally different things.
d34d47 No.15459933
Why? They usually get paid a salary, like most workers. If they want to earn more they shouldn't be wageslaves.
aa84fe No.15459959
>>15457941
you send rice packages to japan.
d213d4 No.15460003
>>15457941
>how many of you have actually done this and how?
Wrong question.
How is simple: find or contact them for a mailing address or method of payment. Order of frequence from experience:
PayPal, fantai, dlsite, bank wire, money order, gift card, trade, Bitcoin ATM
–donatorfag
34f28c No.15460056
Wanna see why? Pick one.
>"New" and old Metal Gear Solid shit from Konami
>pirate MGS 1-5 and support Kojima's Death Stranding instead
>Buy PC ports of Final Fantasy VI and Chrono Trigger
>Pirate it and support the gooch's terra battle so their studio can fund The Last Story 2
>Buy Valkyrie Profile's mobile port
>Support Exist: Archive, spiritual successor made by Tri-Ace (struggling to keep afloat) and most VP team
Which choice is better to:
<convey your appreciation that game in that style was made
<thank those who developed it and support them
<help more games in that styles to be made
a22373 No.15460063
>>15457941
I only buy physical games made in Japan, because fuck paying for air even though I don't like giving money to western publishers, but as soon as my nip is at an acceptable level I'll start importing them to avoid giving money to (((them))). I mean, is there a single western publisher that isn't either extremely cucked like Ubishit or hyper jewish like EA?
>>15459959
That's like sending ice cubes to the North Pole.
abd828 No.15460103
>>15458024
>I've heard it plenty of times.
No you have not.
>Here's a recent example. Blade Strangers is a fighting game many discourage buying because you'll be supporting Nicalis. So people don't want to support them but they don't mind supporting the actual devs.
That isn't how it works. Mailing a cheque to Studio Saizensen won't solve anything, and it won't inform them partnering with Nicalis the studio killer was a bad idea.
>People have been saying this in the fighting game threads for ages now.
I don't know what it is about this particular sentence but it makes my blood boil. This is a lie and you are a faggot revisionist; judging by your blocky command of English, you're likely a shitskin, too. No-one has ever said this in any fighting game thread on /v/. I'm the OP half the time and I read every post the other half. You are a liar and I hope you get hit by a truck.
What people HAVE been saying is 1) Blade Strangers looks like garbage, and 2) don't buy it because Nicalis doesn't deserve a penny, so 3) pirate the PC version if you absolutely must get your hands on it.
>>15458090
They killed Yatagarasu and ran with the money they claimed to be using to translate and port it. It took four years for the devs (ex-Capcom and SNK employees) to make another version in their spare time.
>>15460063
>is there a single western publisher that isn't either extremely cucked like Ubishit or hyper jewish like EA?
Devolver has a good track record despite their meme addiction.
e8c140 No.15460118
4663b2 No.15460144
>>15457941
I've bought maybe a dozen games that I've pirated out of respect but I didn't bother to find some alternate way of paying them. I do this a lot more with movies though, there just aren't a lot of good games available on digital distribution platforms since most of the good stuff has to be emulated.
>>15460063
Nip publishers are cunts too, you just don't hear about it as much. Not to say you don't hear about it at all though: Squenix is always putting denuvo in everything, Crapcom whores out their best IPs overseas and fucks over their good devs (Itsuno's team), and the unspeakable atrocities of Konami are beyond my mortal verbage.
7842e2 No.15460153
>>15457941
i pirated some art courses a long time ago. a few years later when i had more money and was making money via my illustrations I paid him back via a courtesy email and bank transfer.
bbd5de No.15460169
>>15460103
>writing a letter saying you want to support the dev but not the publisher with a cheque included won't inform them that you don't like their publisher
abd828 No.15460201
>>15460169
I admit I've never done it myself, but have you? I don't know the mailing addresses of Japanese companies, and anything I send to the Western branches is doomed to be filtered out as "some gamergator mailing us anthrax powder."
793a6c No.15460268
Do developers that work at big companies have anything on their contract or something that prevents them from creating a Patreon?
The only thing that I can imagine that's stopping them is that they don't want to look like they're begging for money.
309dfe No.15460284
>>15460056
I realize all of that. I just want to know how we should go about it and how some people have done so.
>>15460103
>No you have not.
Implying.
>That isn't how it works. Mailing a cheque to Studio Saizensen won't solve anything, and it won't inform them partnering with Nicalis the studio killer was a bad idea.
That wasn't what I was getting it. It wasn't to solve the problem of telling them not to team up with Nicalis. It was to support them and their work while bypassing Nicalis. Though you could just have a message in the mail telling them about Nicalis while you send them money.
> judging by your blocky command of English, you're likely a shitskin, too.
Correct, but which one?
>No-one has ever said this in any fighting game thread on /v/. I'm the OP half the time and I read every post the other half.
And I bring up most of the conversations about Blade Strangers in the fighting game threads. I was the one constantly posting videos and tournaments about the game. You're right about what people have been saying, but that doesn't mean anyone hasn't mentioned anything about not wanting to support Studio Saizensen. It even led to conversations about how people thought they were about to die but it turned out that was just their old publisher going under and they were fine.
>They killed Yatagarasu and ran with the money they claimed to be using to translate and port it.
I've heard that and mentioned it during an EVO stream. Someone said the devs were also to blame because they mismanaged their money. I don't know if that's true or not though.
>>15460153
Doesn't wiring people money costs extra money though?
abd828 No.15460319
>>15460284
>You're right about what people have been saying
<people have been saying they want to mail devs money, like in the fighting game thread
>no they haven't
<you're right, but my point is still valid because of this quadruple-negative grammatical knot
Kill yourself, Pajeet.
d213d4 No.15460325
>>15460284
>wiring people money costs extra money though?
So does ordering a mail order, mailing cash, making a PayPal account, buying a gift or credit card.
Everything has a cost, it's how much you are willing to donate that counts.
309dfe No.15460338
>>15460319
>Pajeet
Nope. But you're close.
02f4eb No.15460363
Paying for closed source digital content is a deadly sin.
d213d4 No.15460372
>>15460338
Would you stop being a faggot, and send your letter and mail order their way?:
http://www.saizensen.co.jp
They even have bloody phone# you can call them assure what's their preferred method of payment.
Not knowing nihongo isn't my job.
d213d4 No.15460391
>>15460363
I like your edit there, but donating to keep lights on for art isn't a sin.
Wasn't Yeshua a carpenter?
309dfe No.15460534
>>15460372
I haven't bought or pirated it yet that's why. I've been waiting for a cracked version that allows for online play. Even then, I still have other fighting games to play at the moment. This thread wasn't for that game specifically, I was just using it as an example.
1a5ce6 No.15460549
I've heard rationalizations from pirates plenty of times, when confronted, most will play dumb and say "NUH UH WE NEVER SAID THAT"
kinda like faggots who like to argue that piracy doesn't hurt sales because pirates weren't ever going to buy a product, then turn around and say people should pirate a product to hurt sales and boycott a company.
Steal whatever you want, but don't try to turn it into some gay ass "GAYMERS RISE UP" situation, for the love of god, please stop sucking so much cock.
7223dc No.15460642
Anti-Piracy faggotry, (see jews and cuckchan rapefugees)
886368 No.15460673
Piracy increases exposure, if your game is good you will get more exposure and more potential sales, if your game is shit less people will buy it due to piracy. The only times you hear about piracy actually hurting sales is indie-clique shitters whining about nobody paying money to play their shit game.
Tripple ayy dont give a fuck about piracy in the first place, denuvo et al is there to appease retarded shareholders.
So you acquired a less than licenced copy of a game, did you rrike it? Buy it.
Did you rrike it but the devs/publishers are scum? Dont buy it.
Did you rrike it, but the devs are scum, but theres some features locked out that you can only get with a licenced copy? Buy it for a fiver from your favourite key reseller, that way you get your features and the devs get scammed.
All of the above also applies to whenever you believe the price of the game is appropriate, which it most of the time isnt. You make a business selling ephemeral products, you gotta deal with the fact that youre competing with "free", thats the free market for ya in all its glory.
682697 No.15460685
>>15460642
there is literally 0 anti piracy in this thread. the closest thing so far is what im about to post, which is still far from anti piracy
>>15460673
>using potential sales to argue against the loss of potential sales
886368 No.15460706
>>15460685
>Implying I argued against the concept of potential sales
Loss of potential sales is a good thing if your game is shit, plain and simple. Its called voting with your wallet in an informed decision.
d12e76 No.15460713
>>15460391
>Yeshua
Found the Jew.
7223dc No.15460722
>>15460685
>there is literally 0 anti piracy in this thread
Oh I guess you're r- >>15460549 >>15460714
Oops, look anti-pirate shitposting.
>>15460713
t. Christcuck
682697 No.15460735
>>15460722
anti faggot shit posting is not anti piracy shitposting
7223dc No.15460762
>>15460735
>pirates are fags goy!
Are you stupid or something? The first guy is deliberately misconstruing the argument and the latter is calling pirates fags.
682697 No.15460773
>>15460762
always some touchy faggot that cant even read getting upset over nothing. try not being a faggot if it offends you
96925d No.15460787
7223dc No.15460795
>>15460773
Is it, or is it not true that piracy doesn't effect the sales of games. Is it also equally true that it is morally just to pirate games anyway, instead of giving money to shit developers like a cuck? Can't read? He's full of shit and so are you, trying to shame people for rightfully taking the high ground.
>>15460787
>pro piracy
>durr kike
Slow day in Tel Aviv.
682697 No.15460854
>>15460795
the high ground. getting free video games is a heroic task.
b77484 No.15460882
>>15457941
This is just something pirates tell themselves and others to justify their piracy. They don't do it, and anyone who has tried doing it in the past has found out that developers must refuse these sort of donations.
Pirates are some of the dumbest fuckers alive, they manage to prove it every time they appear. If you want to support developers, buy the game. If you want to be a posturing faggot and pretend you pirating a game is somehow a good thing, you're a retarded faggot.
886368 No.15460898
>>15460882
Adress this, fuccboi >>15460673
8ed9c9 No.15460904
>>15460882
>Pirates are some of the dumbest fuckers alive
<Proceeds to buy software
<Buys locked down software on a single piece of locked down hardware
cb6311 No.15460922
>>15460882
Imagine being this upset
446fa3 No.15460932
>>15460882
>and anyone who has tried doing it in the past has found out that developers must refuse these sort of donations.
How come and when has this happened? I was going to start sending out dough to devs since im an idiot and just started pirating but if money is still going to the people I hate then I guess no point.
>>15460904
OH. he's a one and done faggot
b77484 No.15460940
Here come the (1)'s
>>15460898
>Piracy increases exposure, if your game is good you will get more exposure and more potential sales
potential, exposure, what is good can vary significantly. The former are meaningless unless defined well, you haven't done so. A developer can get better exposure by memeing it up with cheeky anti-piracy than releasing a game DRM free.
What else is there to address?
>>15460932
> if money is still going to the people I hate then I guess no point.
it's going to nobody except the postal service/whatever service because they're required to return it to you.
7223dc No.15460942
>>15460854
Ah see here's the anti piracy slant with the fucking disingenuous crap. Go strawman someone else you fucking faggot, not wanting to give money to shitty companies is the right thing to do.
728a95 No.15460946
>>15460934
>Buying a terms of service agreement that says you don't own nothing goyim
7223dc No.15460947
>>15460934
>>15460940
>being jewish
e3869a No.15460950
>>15460882
Although I dislike piracy, when you buy a game you aren't really supporting the developer, you're supporting the publisher.
The developer has already been paid for their work, depending on their contract they may get a cut of the sales or milestone rewards but other than that most, if not all of it goes to the publisher, the platform you're buying it on and the store you're buying it from. Unless they self publish, but that's quite an uncommon thing to see in the industry… And even then part of that money will still go to the platform you're buying it on and the store you're buying it from.
That being said, if you do not buy a game you are potentially damaging the chances of future releases in the series.
Publishers are unwilling to provide new contracts with development teams if their games don't sell, and stores are less willing to shelf copies of the game if no one's buying it from them. For these reasons there's actually less exposure to future installments of the game and risk that there may not even be another game.
Piracy may not harm sales, but it certainly does harm the health of the next installments, and exposure through retail copies due to less demand/push from stores.
682697 No.15460952
>>15460942
itd be heroic if you really wanted to play a game and then didnt for the same principles youre describing. there no high ground any more when you play it anyways.
bca7b7 No.15460955
>>15460934
>What are you poor?
886368 No.15460960
>>15460940
Adress the webbum.
446fa3 No.15460974
>>15460950
>The developer has already been paid for their work, depending on their contract they may get a cut of the sales or milestone rewards but other than that most
Well we need to start finding dev's personal addresses then
>That being said, if you do not buy a game you are potentially damaging the chances of future releases in the series.
I and everyone else here wasn't buying because they were doing something shitty. Provide a product that your audience will approve of and they will buy. Sure there is "a wider audience that will fit your ideal of consumer consumption" but there will always be people like ones on 8chan who don't like what is currently going on.
>Piracy may not harm sales, but it certainly does harm the health of the next installments, and exposure
It only harms shills and sheeple who can't think for themselves.
b77484 No.15460978
>>15460950
>Although I dislike piracy, when you buy a game you aren't really supporting the developer, you're supporting the publisher.
that is wrong, you are supporting both.
>The developer has already been paid for their work,
No.
>depending on their contract they may get a cut of the sales or milestone rewards but other than that most
sometimes, this is mostly the case with contractors. Most developers hire contractors for projects but they are a small portion of the team.
> if not all of it goes to the publisher,
this is wrong and the industry never worked that way.
>the platform you're buying it on and the store you're buying it from.
the standard cut across the industry is 30% goes to the store, 70% goes to the publisher/developer.
>That being said, if you do not buy a game you are potentially damaging the chances of future releases in the series.
contradictory to what you said earlier, purchases of games have an impact on the developer in revenue, the future of franchises, the future staff, and plenty more.
>Piracy may not harm sales
All studies have indicated that there's not enough information out there to determine whether or not video game piracy harms sales, despite the propaganda. It probably does more harm than good. 90% of pirates are poorfags and children (as evident by the thread) but 10% of them would rather just get it for free when they could buy it easily. Otherwise you are right, piracy is a net negative for the industry.
>>15460960
he's a fag and he's talking about books, not video games.
7223dc No.15460995
>>15460952
Didn't pay for the privilege to make fun of a piece of shit on /v/, and again it's not heroic it's just smart you piece of filth.
>>15460978
>he hasn't read the european study paper
>he thinks what applies to books magically do not apply to games in consumer word of mouth
Go be a jewish liar somewhere else.
<All studies have indicated that there's not enough information out there to determine whether or not video game piracy harms sales, despite the propaganda. It probably does more harm than good. 90% of pirates are poorfags and children (as evident by the thread) but 10% of them would rather just get it for free when they could buy it easily. Otherwise you are right, piracy is a net negative for the industry.
All factually incorrect.
886368 No.15460996
>>15460978
>gets blown the fuck out
>muh easily piratable piece of media is not like the other easily piratable piece of media
Im not sure why anything you say should be taken at face value at this point.
b77484 No.15461012
>>15460995
>>he hasn't read the european study paper
I have. Have you? It says it plainly in the conclusion: there was not enough information to determine the effect of piracy on video game sales. You do know what a lack of information indicates, right?
>>he thinks what applies to books magically do not apply to games in consumer word of mouth
>muh word of mouth
basically some of the weakest forms of advertising right next to games journalism, and also useless.
>>15460996
>clings onto the word of a faggot
birds of a feather
e3869a No.15461013
>>15460673
We've all heard the argument "not every pirate would have purchased the game anyway".
I would like to counter your point with "not every pirate will talk about this game or pay for it once they're finished".
Furthermore although piracy 'may' provide a larger install base to talk about the game and provide monetary investment, the scenarios you've given means you'll never buy a physical copy of it… Just the digital or if it was okay a key reseller (which doesn't profit the developer at all, that's honestly a retarded suggestion).
Buy encouraging people to pirate and then pick up a cheap copy online, you disincentivise going to a retail store and buying a copy or buying it full price on the online store (because we all know if you fucks are going to buy it for multiplayer and you're not going to get it from a keyseller, you're going to wait until the game goes on sale for 75% off).
Why does that matter? Because if retail stores don't sell copies they won't order new copies, they won't order new copies of future releases in the franchise.
And since they're not ordering copies, they won't promote these copies. Meaning entire outlets are not providing exposure to the products.
Furthermore online retailers are less likely to promote a game that will only get sales from a dodgy Russian keyseller site or sales. Again, actively hurting the exposure of the product and future products in the franchise.
You argued that piracy increases exposure but you're trusting people to buy cheap online copies if they like it.
However that doesn't help exposure, that makes it worse in the long run. Because now brick and mortar stores aren't promoting it anymore and online stores aren't promoting it anymore.
b77484 No.15461023
>>15461013
buying retail copies is also better for the consumer, as it puts the responsibility of their purchase on them.
682697 No.15461025
>>15460995
>its not heroic andineversaiditwashowdareyousir
>but im going to try to portray my actions as heroic and good for mankind
7223dc No.15461054
>>15461025
>>15461012
>misses the point of the whole argument and argues exclusively using strawman
Really makes you think…
>all the evidence doesn't matter because I said so, meanwhile my baseless assertons should just be taken at face value
>durr stupid piratefags
Yeah definitely jewish, both of you are filtered.
b77484 No.15461065
>>15461054
If you read the EU study you'd know that not only does it disagree with your assertion, but it finds that piracy from different forms of media impact sales differently. Books aren't video games, and you've been wrong with every post you've made.
682697 No.15461101
>>15461054
youre the one that used a strawman to make sure you had an excuse to get triggered and go on a rant in the first place.
7223dc No.15461127
>>15461102
>shit no one does
>cuckchan filename
This is not a 4chan bunker.
b5e57b No.15461145
>>15461102
How much does Denuvo pay you per post? It can't be over 2 bucks
886368 No.15461149
>>15461012
Shill, or clinical retard, confirmed, moving on.
>>15461013
>"not every pirate will talk about this game or pay for it once they're finished"
And thats perfectly fine, exposure is a game of big numbers, plus any exposure on top of the already existing exposure drives sales, or tanks them depending on how shit it is.
>Furthermore although piracy 'may' provide a larger install base to talk about the game and provide monetary investment, the scenarios you've given means you'll never buy a physical copy of it… Just the digital or if it was okay a key reseller (which doesn't profit the developer at all, that's honestly a retarded suggestion).
I consider buying a key from a reseller site and buying a second hand copy functionally the same for both enduser and dev. You get a licensed copy while avoiding giving your money directly to the dev.
>Buy encouraging people to pirate and then pick up a cheap copy online, you disincentivise going to a retail store and buying a copy or buying it full price on the online store (because we all know if you fucks are going to buy it for multiplayer and you're not going to get it from a keyseller, you're going to wait until the game goes on sale for 75% off).
Or you can be a smart consumer and wait for a sale to drive down the price of a key even further. You must andastandu that the enduser-dev relation is not entirely a patron-artist one, its the relation of two consenting adults engaging in mutually beneficial exchange of goods primarily. Thus if I feel ripped off by a bad deal I am under no obligation to engage in the exchanged on fixed terms, because the competition is literally free. One does not pirate because one can get away with not paying, but instead one actively pays when a good deal is presented. This is ofcourse excluding anyone underaged or otherwise lacking disposable income, and contrarian never-buyers for obvious reasons. The deal to get it for free is still there regardless of the devs consent, he just does not benefit from it because his deal was worse.
>Why does that matter? Because if retail stores don't sell copies they won't order new copies, they won't order new copies of future releases in the franchise.
>And since they're not ordering copies, they won't promote these copies. Meaning entire outlets are not providing exposure to the products.
>Furthermore online retailers are less likely to promote a game that will only get sales from a dodgy Russian keyseller site or sales. Again, actively hurting the exposure of the product and future products in the franchise.
Franchises are irrelevant, paying for a product solely in the hope you will maybe get another product is no different that paying for early access games. You buy what is there, as is. You get another good game out of it? Good for you. Franchise gets shitcanned? Theres always other games you will want to buy with your money.
>You argued that piracy increases exposure but you're trusting people to buy cheap online copies if they like it.
>However that doesn't help exposure, that makes it worse in the long run. Because now brick and mortar stores aren't promoting it anymore and online stores aren't promoting it anymore.
Im trusting people to act according to their financial status. You are insinuating that a patron-artist relationship between the enduser and the dev is an obligation, when it is in reality just a thing that happens automatically on top of a good deal. There is also no obligation for someone who pirated a game to praise it or even talk about it, those who do however make all the difference. Word of mouth is the strongest market force in a world where an ethiopian niggers outhouse got fucking wifi.
b5e57b No.15461172
>>15461166
Yeah I'm sure the 5% discount on all Denuvo products really treats you well, asshat
7223dc No.15461192
>>15461133
>lol 8chan is just 4chan with smaller population
You act just like niggers.
3c4ec8 No.15461348
Concealed cash in envelope
ea303b No.15461374
>57dbcb
>obvious shill
>posts 3 times
>gets no (You)s
>posts 15461102
>people respond
nice to see the average iq here is 80
1e3b69 No.15461493
Pirates once again prove they're fucking idiots. Good thread.
aa9449 No.15461502
>>15460284
I think you made a wrong turn somewhere anon.
>>>/reddit/
8db1b8 No.15461518
>>15460549
You're a fucking nigger kike. The EU put money towards a study back in 2013 over how piracy affects sales for various mediums, and then fucking buried it and pretended it never existed because the conclusion was that piracy actually HELPED sales, rather than hurt them. Aside from one little cherry-picked section, the overall analysis said that piracy actually allowed for more exposure, which actually IMPROVED sales revenue. If it wasn't for the woman in the link below, no one would ever even know it existed:
https://juliareda.eu/2017/09/secret-copyright-infringement-study/
Conclusion: Fuck you, anti-piracy cunts.
8db1b8 No.15461534
>>15461102
>>15461054
>>15460882
Read the pdf you cunts.
1e3b69 No.15461564
>>15461518
>he didn't even read the study
here's a hint: it doesn't say anywhere it improved video game sales :^)
11d031 No.15461580
>how many of you have actually done this
times are hard and when i play a game i actually liked, loved, and played significantly i always pay when i get afford to and when it wont cut into my food or living expenses.
piracy is the enemy of AAA and increases when AAA decreases in quality, the idea of developer loyalty was always relevant. EA buying up so many companies since the 90's and murdering them were all the companies and people we would support today.
you've seen how bad the protection of music copyright gets with article 13, the fight against piracy has no end.
10bef1 No.15461630
>>15461564
>here's proof that it doesn't hurt sales
>A-HA BUT IT DOESN'T SAY THAT IT IMPROVES SALES
Because that was never the point you utter retard. Do you even have the brain power to use a keyboard on your own or do you get help? Also
<I don't buy games that include very anti-consumer practices like DRM, essentially the very basics of capitalism in that you support things that deserve to be supported and don't support things that don't
>wooow so cringy why do you have standards, can't you just be a retarded drone like me
793a6c No.15461652
>>15460950
>stores are less willing to shelf copies of the game if no one's buying it from them.
Does that really matter this day and age when most people are buying their games online? Piracy is a thing people do more for PC, so the effects of it would be negligible. And since 99.99% of PC games are digital only, physical retail presence doesn't matter at all.
7223dc No.15462002
>>15461276
>implying they don't out themselves all the time
i.e (You)
1e3b69 No.15462120
>>15461630
>>here's proof that it doesn't hurt sales
it doesn't say that either, learn to read you dumb fuck. It says there's not enough information to make a conclusion. Pirates are fucking braindead.
14d8fb No.15462133
>>15462120
If you buy a worthless product like video games then you're the brain dead consumerist.
7223dc No.15462139
>>15462120
>completely ignoring the argument
>unable to make the connections here
>>15461518
1e3b69 No.15462154
>>15462133
>hates video games so he posts on a video game board
low IQ
6160b1 No.15462208
>Browsing this thread for actual information on donating to devs be like
96925d No.15462704
there have been a few times where I downloaded a game then bought the sequel later
000000 No.15462749
>>15457941
Never pay for games. Period.
The "good" devs (none, really) will ALWAYS sell out to corrupt corporations, or will try to turn their small studios into the next corrupt companies to infect the industry.
Let them create as long as it lasts. Get everything for free without ever compensating anybody. If the industry ends, keep playing the games that already exist, for your whole life.
70a202 No.15463705
>>15460882
You dumb fucker. I live in a third world country and we didn't have access to any vidya back in the older days. But because my brothers pirated shit, I got exposed to vidya and now its my main hobby. Not only has I learned Nipponese to give the middle finger to fucking burgers who would butch the original product, but now I am also importing games from Japan.
Same thing with books. I majored in a field and had it not for piracy I wouldn't now be buying new books had I not pirated the older ones.
TL:DR piracy is great for long term investment, you fucking moron.
c48838 No.15463734
>>15463705
I'm learning Nip for similar reasons now. What kinds of games does the third world pirate, and what's your first language? Also,
>butch
In that sentence, you would use "butcher," as in butchering an animal.
1fe573 No.15463780
>>15458180
IIRC the newest versions of cave story don't even credit pixel, even though nicalis added literally nothing.
70a202 No.15463794
>>15463734
Arabic
>removed the -er thinking it would verbalize the verb
>What kinds of games does the third world pirate
Everything. If you know where to go, you can still find pirate ps1-2 games and consoles. Soyny is slowly moving in with the copyright shit, but still you can be open about piracy here. As for Jewtendo, you can still find pirated NESes if you look hard enough.
Maybe the word I am looking for here is ''bootlegging", but that is what most stores here do and no one stops them: crack the games, copy em and sell for cheap.
cc4418 No.15463805
>>15460268
What makes you think a publisher and distributor will let developers formally open a revenue stream that completely sidesteps their cuts?
e6b5aa No.15473660
>>15457941
There are no devs left worth giving any money.
6044d6 No.15473663
>>15460063
>That's like sending ice cubes to the North Pole.
not really, rice in riceland is not free.
f73434 No.15473680
>this entire thread full of pirate cucks saying how they pirated games and never paid for them
This is exactly the reason why SJWs took over the gaming industry. They don't play their shitty games, but they are consumerist so they still buy them and so they support content. Not piratecucks though. They just pirate shit away and later complain how no game panders to them. Really activates my almonds.
c6d5c3 No.15473715
>>15473680
So you still buy stuff despite SJWs being the main consumer?
Wow, you really showed everyone on this thread, you go girl!
252199 No.15473928
>>15457941
I saw Jason Anderson on the street half a decade back while walking to get some dominoes pizza for a night of vidya and scary movies, and quickly took out 3 20$s from my back pocket, then slammed them into his shirt pocket, and told him "you know what this is for". He seemed surprised, but i'm sure he knew what it meant. I had to pay dominoes for credit after though, unfortunately. You just gotta take the initiative when life hands it to you. Or you could mail it to them or something I guess, but finding out their personal address is kinda creepy.
9a0ead No.15473945
>>15473715
you bitch about games and expect anyone to listen to a non-paying customer? gj way to be the change you wanna be
50f00f No.15483662
>>15457941
>I always hear about pirates saying you should simply pirate a game and pay the devs.
You should. Publishers are cancer.
6791bf No.15483957
>>15457941
>not the publisher or something like Steam.
Without the publisher the games wouldn't get funded in the first place.
Without platforms like Steam games would have nowhere to exist and be sold.
e29ea2 No.15484011
>>15483662
THIS
Read Doug TenNapel's latest interview
https://archive.is/knu7W
48a5dd No.15484471
>>15460713
I wonder if Hitler would've killed Christ if he was his contemporary
18c223 No.15484486
>>15484011
Next time highlight and select the section you want to refer to
8081fa No.15484496
Pirating to try the game like a demo, then buying it if it's worth it is the good way
126fe2 No.15484595
I ain't paying for shit, Schlomo.
c568a7 No.15484673
>>15457941
Might sound like some fantasy, but people actually support devs in many other ways than buying shit from stores, steam or the likes.
There is this piracy document from EU, that says that people who pirate games also spend the most money on games, it's almost like the people who really like to play games also buy them, how fucking strange. Also, if you even the data out, and look at the actual social part, piracy is just bad if lawyers reeeally stretch it, and I mean really bad dragon the shit out of it.
Here's the thing: Studies are done constantly, dozens a year, to see how piracy affects the market and products. Piracy is a really fucking big thing, these studies are done all the time. These studies are not published most of the time, because they are in support of piracy, well not in support, but they show that it has pretty much no effect on the economy. Sometimes it is even showed that it supports the economy, by offering more market space to expensive otherwise hard to acquire products on low income families.
Let's put it this way: Do you think, that in any way in hell, is a law firm going to tell their clients, that the very fucking expensive service they offer, is actually complete bullshit? Yeah, that what's going on. And that is all folks. It's like a shit covered in glitter floating in a fountain at a party, everyone sees it, and knows what it actually is, but it is ignored, because the first one to call it, is going to be remembered as the guy who noticed the glitterpoo. And as all starting private detectives, he must now delve in to the disgusting "mystery of the glitter covered poo".
c06270 No.15485974
>>15473928
you are a true human bean
7b98c8 No.15486049
>>15473928
Huh, talk about dedication.
7ceb9c No.15487522
There's no a moral reason behind it or "sending a message." We don't pay for games, because we just don't want to.