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>>15436099

You can't tempt me into reinstalling it!

>>15435729

>Playin

X3

>Flyin

Springblossom kitted for anti-corvette role

>Haulin

Nothing, my traders do it for me

>Enslavin

To give them a chance to rebel? Nah, just wipe them out

Is that pic supposed to be a murrican themed imperial fleet from 40k?

Art Deco is underrated.

>>15437403

It sure looks like it.

>>15437408

>Art Deco is underrated.

Le born in the wrong generation

>>15437729

Fuck off you disgusting Redditor.

Any recommendations for an arcade-y feeling space sim? Something like the old X-Wing games. Can be mission based or sandbox, not fussed, just want something not super deep at the moment.

>>15438419

Everspace is pretty nice. Or there is always Freespace 2 if you haven't played it yet.

I just want a star ruler that doesn't crash all the time in multiplayer and some small balance tweaks.

That would be my dream game. I would never play anything else as long as I lived.

>>15438419

>>15437403

You got it backwards, GW stole their art style from it. It's from a short story that was in Heavy Metal magazine back in the late 80's or early 90's where a never ending holy crusade goes around the galaxy and eventually reaches its point of departure on earth to wipe out human civilization on it again.

>>15435729

Pissed at Elite Dangerous news, the retards at FDev did the only possible thing they could do and disappoint everyone by delaying nearly every fucking feature anounced for this year except their 'improvements to explorations and mining"

To the surprise of absolutely no one, their improvement was adding more shitty grind mechanics to exploration instead of making the existing ones better

And as usual the fucking faggots of their boot lickers the ones always sucking their dick when they screw up or nerf shit, defend them with the usual imbecile argument that everything must take time and patience, bitch i don't want shit that needs time and patience i need content that requires skill, content that expands on the story significantly, content that rewards me at least.

From what little we ve heard about, i can only expect their mining update to be the same layer of grind over something that was already tiresome and grindy.

I do not wish this sad fate upon any of you spacefags, stay away from this shit game full of facebook retards, roleplayers and attention whores.

>>15444888

>It's not on a 2D plane

Oh my, thank you double trips.

>>15444879

I heard it was good but there's not much sense playing it unless it's out of EA.

>>15444960

Got a link or exact issue for the comic? Sounds neato.

>>15445541

Were the designs intended to be as sexy as they are? Especially 1, 3, 5, 7 and 8.

>>15445541

Is the AI still shit?

>>15445008

YOu forgot the "micro-probes" a.k.a. Exploration Limpets.

I'm nearly at Sagittarius right now, I've got to hurry on back to the bubble before the payout/gameplay presumably gets nerfed.

IT WAS SUPPOSED TO COME OUT THIS MONTH BUT THEY DELAYED IT FOR MULTIPLAYER SHIT TO NEXT YEAR REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>15446202

what game?

>>15436099

liked Aurora until I realized that everything related to combat is dogshit. armor is modeled by a 2D stack of bars, component damage is RNG, ship shape and direction are N/A, and the only type of warhead is effectively impact HE. also there's no orbital mechanics. they went only wide mechanics-wise with no depth

>>15435729

I never understood putting guns on spaceships in real-world, near future settings… I mean, who or what are we going to be shooting at?

>>15445008

>roleplayers

As long as game support roleplayers, I'm in, doing my small meaningless part in life of people, that just want to travel with comfort for few weeks to something unique in thousands of light years.

>>15446346

Each other.

>>15446425

I have been waiting. I've been waiting since Steve announced it over 2 years ago.

Regardless none of my issues with it are being addressed.

>>15446273

BFG Armada 2 probably.

>>15445947

They are honorable bird samurai.

>>15446346

Just imagine following exchange.

>Company A wants to lay a claim on an unnamed asteroid behind Mars

>Company B has a ship there already

>Both ships get into a tuffle over the mining rights and both crews end up leaving their ships, armed with wrenches, pipes and mining equipment, one guy is even flinging a bar stool around

>Similar battles occur over time and even escalate as individual miners start bringing their own weapons with them, first bladed weapons, then spears, then home made firearms and finally company distributed space guns

>In the end company decides to tape a 120mm cannon on the ship so the mining vessel can engage in "gunboat politics"

>Earth powers take a notice and in order to police the frontier they arm patrol ships with heavier guns

>que a century of arms race betwean corps and governments

>>15446300

Aurora runs on Space Opera logic, and it still manages to be taxing on your CPU with certain settings on. I don't think any true space simulation version of Aurora is going to keep those opt ions on by default for the same reasons.

>>15445673

Probably. It feels like the French, or Sega, smelled the weakness of the Star Wars brand and tried to jump on it with ES2. The heroes are no longer drug addicts with super abilities from their drug addiction; though, that was in EL as well. They are now trained at an academy, or some cunt that might as well come out of modern SW. The majority of the playable races are humanoid, and much like EL they have gimmicks, but their gimmicks are incredibly fantastic compared to the relatively grounded ES1.

>>15446202

That was the reason? That rather annoys me given how their attempts at balance fucked up both multiplayer and singleplayer. I'd rather see every faction get their own good campaign than multiplayer be a focus.

>Elite is nerfing board flipping, too

At this point, the game would be improved if all players had infinite credits. The game would be better without it's core progression system; that's how grindy it's getting.

>>15457639

CC0? It's not bad for a turn based VN but 3rd one sucked story wise.

>>15457647

>CC0

https://creativecommons.org/share-your-work/public-domain/cc0/

>>15457805

Apparently it is according to the wiki.

https://sunrider.gamepedia.com/Sunrider

Liberation day, the third one isn't though.

>>15457815

>However, the latest version of the Github repository uses a more restrictive license.

>more restrictive lincense

whats up with that?

>>15457824

Fug if I know. Last comment was from 2016.

>>15457824

(((Github))) is owned by (((Microsoft))) now, so they are probably trying to fuck everything up.

>>15445008

I don't expect good updates from them at all. If you stop expecting things it's better that way. I mean, I haven't looked over the exploration changes they are talking about but they can't really make mining worse without taking away collector limpets. It's actually super relaxing it just needs better profit and engineering mods to make it easier. They could make mining okay just by giving it wing style trade missions of like "bring me x amount of a resource" and pay well. But those fucks can't even do that right and the current ones are majority ice ring only materials which is the shittiest fucking resources for profit. The only thing I do in this game now is remove docking computer and laugh at bads.

>>15438392

Reminder the movies were made by an extremely liberal anti military old man.

I'd love a 4x or other large scale strategy game where FTL was slow. Alpha Centauri is 4 IIRC lightyears away and that's very close for two solar systems. It would be cool if, say, 10C was the limit for FTL and thus it took 4/10 years so several months to get there. Far-flung colonies would essentially be independent the second they felt like it, so keeping them happy would be priority #1. Only the most valuable of cargo would be worth taking between systems, so extremely focused economies on exploiting whatever is needed would be required, or alternatively worlds could be colonized for their own sake and each would be closer to a signatory state in an alliance than a province.

I just dislike the huge undertaking of colonizing a planet around a foreign star being downplayed.

5 burgers says factions will be horribly unbalanced at launch and stay unbalanced through out its entire lifespan.

That said, I am looking forward to admech faction.

>>15462156

i know there was a torrent about, not sure if it's available to read online or anything. Loved pouring over them as I was getting into drawing.

>>15444879

If he ever finishes it'll be good but it's a literal one man project so gonna be a long fucking time. Either bookmark the site and check it once a month or wishlist it off steam to know when to look for a torrent.

>>15462146

Oh you know the eldar are gonna be OP. As usual. Fucking knife ear faggots.

>>15462146

Hopefully the tyranid ramming fleet brings an end to the corner camping TAU players.

>>15462285

Because of always online and microtransactions.

>>15444960

2000 AD also was huge influence on the 40k universe, not just Judge Dredd but also Nemesis the Warlock and every other story that appeared there.

>>15463255

If anything I've read on the steam forums is true, it sounds like the factions and systems are getting a shake up. There should only be one ship that gets all the upgrades in each fleet; so, there shouldn't be fleets of stealth Tau ships. However, Dark Eldar are supposedly in stealth while moving. Which means that assassination missions, if they keep them, will be a huge pain in the ass any time DE show up. That is also assuming that people aren't lying.

>>15473246

>daiteikoku

Thanks for reminding me that it will never get an English translation

>>15435729

Been playing Endless Space 2, going for a wonder victory with the self-important eggheaded clones of Horatio while getting war declared on by the sophons who are angry because they're faggots, and also everybody blockading my trade routes. That supreme bamboozle by Horatio Prime during the quest tho.

>>15462285

ED seems to be a good game to play while listening to podcasts. I think I'll grab a copy in the next sale. Does the Horizon thingy go on sale too?

>>15474669

>ED seems to be a good game to play while listening to podcasts.

I can confirm this is true, and it fills the role exceedingly well. It is also nearly the ONLY reason to play E:D anymore (along with super comfy VR), what with the devs making the game even grindier (as in, even more than a part time job, no joke) if you want high-tier stuff.

>Does the Horizon thingy go on sale too?

I bought it when it was 50% off, but I think they're pretty jewy about how rarely they put it on sale; hopefully more frequently now that it's getting older.

>>15475795

>he cares about the writing in a porn game

>feminism in a japanese porn game

>feminism in a japanese porn game from the same people that did Rance

Im not sure why anyone should trust your word on anything at this point.

>>15475795

It's space WW2 rance nigger you aren't supposed to like loli hitler you are supposed to rape her.

>>15476644

If the stupid niggers never do anything with it why don't the translators ever pick it back up?

>>15476665

Because they became swamped with other projects I believe

>>15475949

>>15476018

I played rance, it wasn't like that it was something straight out of an American feminists mouth, the main character also has no backbone unlike rance. It's literally nothing like Rance and is nothing worth comparing. There is no rape.

>>15477321

Probably about as good as Mandate.

This seems like the proper thread to ask:

I saw a series called "StarPoint Gemini" and "Starpoint Commander" pop up on my steam recomendations.

I tried looking it up, can't really tell what sort of game it is, but if I had to guess, it reminds me of Space Rangers. A lot. Except with non-slav graphics/mechanics.

Can anyone tell me if it's good or what?

Kinda unrelated, I saw game called Darkstar One up for sale near me for 2 bucks. I remember seeing it released when I was younger and really wanting but never getting it.

What am I getting into? The text in the back of the box makes it seem like it's an RPG, but the ship gains levels?

>>15477387

>StarPoint Gemini

I don't know about the first one, but I got the second one for free and it almost immediately entered the trash folder. It had the worst camera control I've ever seen.

Instead tying the camera to mouse movement and having the weapons follow at their rythm, it's locked to the turrets line of fire and those are horribly slow. You have to use your mouse to slowly drag the turret rotation into the angle you want have on your screen.

Or maybe I missed something important but I'm not going back to check it out, the few minutes I spent on this game felt horrible.

>>15477387

>Darkstar One

It's a German attempt to make Freelancer. Main difference is you only have one ship, that levels up in areas you choose (20 levels and 3 ways of progress, if I remember correctly) as the game progresses. It's not as fleshed out as FL - all sectors and stations feels the same, no hi-speed line trough the sectors ect. Played and cleared it, but I would only recommend it if you are bored with FL and want to try something similar. Also you have a female co-pilot (mainly her voice).

>>15477387

All the ships in Starpoint gemini handle like ultra-maneuverable fighters, but with lower speed, effectively nuking any semblance of capital ship strategy. Just play Starsector or Rebel Galaxy instead.

>>15444888

Yes. Can't wait.

>>15479850

>That fucking painter

I remember how hard my jaw dropped the first time I saw that. How is this little indie studio pulling this shit off?

>>15479936

they already have the main game, they just needed to add more shit to it.

>>15444888

checked

>>15477387

I thought Starpoint Gemini was a pretty fun little game.

It's rather small scale in a lot of aspects compared to other types of games like this. All ships control basically the same way as another anon mentioned, with only differing size classes and turret arrangements between ships of different factions. Light turret weapons are basically just: beam, kinetic, or plasma, and heavy weapons are just limited-ammo missile launchers. Combat pretty much just consists of pointing your turrets and undamaged directional shields towards the enemy and spamming active abilities and the occasional torpedo.

There is progression in the sense of the ship you own and a class system that you choose at the beginning and build up perks and a few active abilities. I haven't played the captain or gunnery classes, but I had fun playing as an engineer debuffing enemy ships to make them more vulnerable to marine boarding ops, then tractor-beam-hauling back my catches to stations to sell off.

The devs seem pretty autistic with the ridiculous amount of factions and background lore and politics going on, but the plot is totally forgettable. But overall I had a pretty pleasant time just punching that power-to-engine button and mapping out the gemini solar system, stopping to plunder the occasional shiny ship to myself. The soundtrack is pretty chill.

>>15480382

Whoops, I forgot to say that this is all only relevant to starpoint gemini 2. I haven't played the first game.

>>15480384

Any game is worth a pirate if you think it's worth a pirate. It's most ideal if you reach your judgment yourself.

With that in mind, however, I think Stellaris is sort of lackluster anyway. I like it, but there are better games in the sea. The game will also soon become Vicky 3 with the net patch, so we`ll also see how it goes from there.

>>15480382

Thanks for your 2 cents anon, I'm going to check it out. Been really digging star traders frontiers so this sounds like something I might enjoy as well.

>>15480382

You're talking about Starpoint Gemini 2

1 was a somewhat different beast, and I liked it very much. In some ways it was superior.

>>15480384

I played it a few months back and had a blast for a week. Crushing the large hippie space UN evangelist coalition with my robotic military might, augmented by a fuckton of vassals in a 10k sized galaxy was one of the highlight of vidya for me this year. Then two of the crisis events got triggered and it got super stressful. Still won though and turn the galaxy into clankers.

>>15477954

You forgot to mention how she literally cucks the MC and leaves him with a recording of her voice while she leaves with Chad.

X4 fucking WHEN?

>>15482471

>Trusting them after afterbirth

>>15482471

just stick with x3 & mods

>>15482511

that was such a shitshow the modding community wouldn't even touch it

>>15482471

Release by the end of this year.

Playable by the end of next year.

>>15438392

>they couldn't even put them in individual drop pods

I never actually watched the movie but the more of it I see the more justified I feel in my decision to sticking with the book only

>>15482519

It's harder to salvage.

>>15482683

You're missing out on campy fun. Unfortunately, the CGI bugs look very dated now.

*drops rocks on your planet*

heh nuthig personal

Starfighter Inc. seems like it might be cool.

If you're shitter shattered that I didn't make a .webm, well too bad. The video is over an hour long.

>>15483164

It's a fucking building. Where the fuck are you retards going?

>>15483170

if youz paint da buildin red while ya build it if go up fasta

>>15483155

>not painting everything red

>>15483488

What if you paint yourself red?

>>15483497

You know why people bleed out so fast when they get cut? Because your blood is red

>>15483504

Dat ain no ork, wut kin of zoggin trik are ya tryna pull umie?

>>15483508

Trully, red wunz go fasta.

>>15481202

Why didn't they have the Harmony as a major faction given that quest or even just show up as something like a grand menace from SotS during the course of it? The harmony's whole thing was them wanting to wipe out the Dust because it fucked them up and distracted them from their purpose.

>>15480384

Word on the bush radio is that there should be an update that removes tiles from planets as well as the sector system.

Also apparently they are working on creating synergy betwean different ship types in game so folks cant just corvette spam their ways to victory.

>>15485762

There should be an update "coming", forgot to add that word while i was flipping through my memories of the things i have heard of making their way into the game.

Another thing i heard about being under the works is some sorta galactic market that allows you to trade more openly with different galactic powers, probably similarly to how the ES2 market works.

But there is still no all purpose trade deal that would increase the money production with each side while increasing their liking towards each other, it's still mainly "I give you 500 minerals, you give me 400 energy" sorta deals, or you can donate stuff for small diplomacy bonus.

>vaulters can build portals in any system to make instant defense a thing

>don't get a debuff on their ship speed, though

>their standard pop has an instant damage effect against invaders

>they can disguise their fleets, despite that being a beetle jew trait in legend, to attack "allies" without getting caught

I thought the Hissho were bad with the fact that they can get 100% happiness bonuses perpetually, unless they decide to pop one of their abilities or make a new colony. The accusations of pay to win are very accurate, and they do their best to make them out to be sympathetic.

>>15483667

WHYS YU WEARIN A WIG ON YER EAD YA GROT?

>>15501635

>but if the emperor dies we all die with him

Granted that's a nu-star wars invention but its still incredibly retarded and probably exists solely to throw off empire fans I.E. Hitler was a baby-eating crypto jew.

>>15454969

>I hope to god that X4 is good

There is no god in this universe that can make X4 good. That shit is made by Egosoft. They do not know how to make a fun game. It's going to be ED but offline and without the cool cockpit and UI. It'll look slightly pretty though.

>>15461972

At that point you might as well not have FTL and have the whole game be relativistic.

>>15480384

Wait some months until they make planet management passable.

>>15481202

I don't really think that siding with Isyander is supposed to be the good choice. Almost every faction (almost, because vikingoids exist) is fucked up and there's no guarantee Lost aren't bad as well.

>>15485198

They didn't include Harmony on the basis that Harmony would be boring to play, like in ES1. Amplitude doesn't even have the decency to silently retcon them, so now Harmony is a minor faction that has no problem making fucktons of Dust.

>>15502821

Please don't remind me of operation cinder.

>>15449222

>The heroes are no longer drug addicts with super abilities from their drug addiction; though, that was in EL as well. They are now trained at an academy

no, they're still drug addicts dependent on dust

>>15507012

>>15507158

Yeah, I fucked that up. They are, but I remember them being depicted more as people willing to work with anyone and anything to get their fix in 1. Which is less emphasized in 2.

>>15507042

They also mention the lost might have godlike powers when in numbers. That is not something you want back.

>harmony

They can't because the Harmony were in EL as well. They could have used them as some kind of menace/grand menace situation. They have them in quests, yet even though the game mentions the rock like ship that breaks away to reveal crystal you get the normal pirate ship. I think they are slightly retconned since that quest mentions that they were supposedly wiped out by the Endless.

>>15507012

>you tell me

its a fucking shame there arent any pornographic pictures of that game.

>>15516188

It took me a while to realize this was from Solo.

>>15516188

Did what, introduce more pozz to the once-beloved franchise?

>>15516231

I think he means that Disney showed the empire in a way that wasn't completely negative or evil.

>>15516242

>wasn't completely negative or evil.

the sad part is at the end of the video, the writer shoved down the audience throats that the empire was evil by invading that planet full of din du nofing xenos, cant let the audience have any sympathy for dying imp soldiers.

>>15516295

That's still more than I expected from Disney Wars.

>>15518182

Go figure. What he made looked really promising but a weak faggot like himself simply can't undertake an endeavor like this.

So i just heard that Wildstar is gonna die this year.

Any thoughts on that?

>>15527604

I don't think that anybody really expected it to have much of a lifespan after the first gameplay impressions.

Dead, buried, and nobody to mourn at the grave.

>>15527604

It dies a month after release, they just kept it around on lifesupport to milk whales with their f2p shit like all MMOs do when they are on the brink of death.

>>15460042

>>15482683

doesn't matter. leftists fucked up and made a great movie just like that hitler trump ad. i've read the book and seen the movie a million times, it's an awesome movie. doesn't exactly match the book though as always happens.

>>15479936

paint systems really aren't that hard to add assuming the models can have overlays or such. You'd see it far more in games, but big studios have just decided to monetize that shit instead for cosmetic dlc bait. IE: Elite dangerous making you buy a pack of 8 different colored ship skins for 10 bucks and a name tag decal pack for two dollars, when all you wanted to do was just paint your damn ship red and put the name of the ship on the side or something.

>>15527604

It dies in November.

>>15529711

The issue tends to come from how well they can load in the assets/textures. I imagine it is easier for them since the assets are largely static on the ship and otherwise the only ship with a unique paint job will be yours and maybe some story important ships.

>>15529993

It's just a texture.

>>15531086

Different weapons have different models, you can see it when he is switching things out on the ship; though, he never points it out. It is most clear on the last ship he was using, as the weapons are pretty far off from the center of the ship.

>>15531135

Doesn't matter, they're just textures. The increased load they'd put on the game would be negligible.

>>15531153

But these aren't even Kha'ak. Just zealous soyboys.

>>15516188

>Empire is nothing but white people

This proves they're evil

>>15531268

Did you miss the black wyman?

>>15531545

yes

>>15482471

30th Nov. this year, they just dropped 2 trailers or something

>>15529711

>You'd see it far more in games, but big studios have just decided to monetize that shit instead for cosmetic dlc bait.

yeah, i remember mods and cheats were free back in the day.

>>15531268

everyone is fucking diverse, the empire and the din du noffing revengeful tribe

>>15531545

>Did you miss the black wyman?

those werent part of the empire, but some bandits plotting to steal a spaceship

I could webm some parts of the movie to infect you all with cancer if you want.

>>15531268

Nigga even in the EU they had black imperial officers

>>15531703

>EU

This is Yidsney Wars.

However, the mouse did make some black woman the leader of their version of the imperial remnant in the name of empowerment, instead of Daala.

>>15531712

Did the new star wars even have an imperial remnant no counting the new empire or whatever? I thought it was just operation cinder and then they left or whatever

>>15531901

not gonna lie, I have high hopes for x4

still just buying the poorfag-edition though, I'm hopeful, not stupid

>>15531901

The game looks as stilted as before. There's really no saving that garbage flight mechanics.

>>15531901

>preordering Egosoft shit after Stillbirth.

No.

>>15531740

They did, but it's as pozzed as you can imagine, and the Disney movies just ignore it's existence because the franchise is controlled by retards.

>>15531901

At least it seems to have more content than Elite Dangerous.

>>15457805

>those system requirements

>trailer running at 10fps

>no linux support despite vulkan

>>15531901

>>15532275

>>15532130

To be honest it sounds like a "ship now or bankruptcy" situation, that's why they bring the rest of the game late as "expansions".

>>15532318

No big surprise after shitshow called "Rebirth".

It was so bad, that I didn't even bothered to pirate it.

Also a fact that they don't have anything else.

>>15531901

>>15531990

Oh I didn't even see the collectors thing.

I am going to wait a solid month before buying it if it turns out ok but I for once just don't get the hateboner some anons have for it. So far they have made a point about putting everything people wanted back into the game and the new map and station builder looks straight up great, not really a fan of either the walking nor the art style but considering what the games usually tend to be I don't see this as any mortal wound.

And to propably hit some apologist bingo but the stretched out content obviously comes from the hit they took with Rebirth and probably have been trying to overcome ever since. So I'll just wait and see for the game and whatever it is they want to offer after.

>>15532229

Like that's an achievement.

>>15532416

Good space games are hard to find.

>>15532370

>Expect the game to not be playable until at least february

Damn. I was going to get it in December.

>>15532472

I just finished Heat Signature and it was pretty good.

>>15532522

I've been playing it for a while, you can do some crazy thing with that game. I liked it.

>>15532275

>trailer running at 10fps

i set the video at 12fps to make it small.

>>15532409

>I for once just don't get the hateboner some anons have for it

>wanted the xbox audience

>make x stillbirth

gee, its a mystery!

>>15532736

But the port never appeard so someone got a hint.

And making a bad entry in a series that otherwise without shame embraced its niche just doesn't cut it to dismiss this new game that looks very different from their fucked entry.

>>15533148

>most often citen complaint of the series, the UI

only niggers complain about the UI

The most retarded thing about Rebirth is that you were stuck in the same ship with no incentive to do anything since it was impossible to upgrade.

>>15435729

>all guns pointed forward

why are so many starships made like this? they still look really cool though. i am digging that 1950s pimpmobile style.

>>15533924

They have guns that run the length of the ship aka 2km type drednaught guns or they do the LGH thing and pop all of em on the front because it's harder to hit a target pointing forward than along it's length side in space. If they had guns on the side you'd be hitting the side of a barn really.

>>15534012

>guns that run the length of the ship

jesus christ, well im convinced

>>15533924

basically you want to reduce how much of your facing is towards the enemy, the alternative is to have broadsides but in space that's silly since you're using lasers where a single beam is usually enough to destroy an enemy as opposed to physical artillery as in the battleships of ye olde. You already have the influence of having your forward pointed towards the foe at all times in modern ships since they rely on indirect-fire missile batteries or aircraft.

>>15534853

that and in space actually lining up ships so that most of your broad side actually hits would take a little more effort than a sea vessel does.

>>15533223

Did you play it though? There were certainly upgrades to shields, engines, and weapons. Shields had restoration / max capacity sidegrade variants, engines had topspeed / lateral maneuvering sidegrades and they implemented upgrade modules for weapons which could affect a few different factors like cooldown rate, range, fire-rate, projectile speed, etc. This is all still pretty shallow mind you, but it's better than nothing.

space trash

space trash

space trash

space trash

space trash

space trash

SPACE TRASH

>>15538361

>This is all still pretty shallow mind you

Exactly, it was a shit upgrade system for a shit game with no customization. I don't understand why they though Rebirth was a good idea, it shat on everything that made X great.

>>15533924

>why are so many starships made like this?

WWII battleships designs

>>15538361

>since it was impossible to upgrade

i think he meant by buying another ship

>>15538689

>I don't understand why they though Rebirth was a good idea

they wanted the console audience and though they would make the rich.

>>15444888

>>15531469

>Use painting and stencil feature on your own cool ship

>Write "not a JPEG" on it

>Order toy ship

>Send photo of it to annoy Starcitizen devs and hardcore supporters

>>15538790

I wonder if Star Citizen will ever be really released or if they will drag on the dream as long as they can.

>>15539717

>space spics

>>15533058

That reamins to be seen. Stop jumping to conclusions.

At least the devs DID listen to the fans and the poor salves woek em up.

We have finely tuned custom station complexes and all ships being pilotable, and improved interface.

Those are all godo things. I remain catiously optimistic.

>>15540189

>all ships being pilotable

They mentioned that majority of them are pilotable in trailer though.

>>15540232

I think some xenon ships were uncaptureable in Rebirth.

>>15540189

>all ships being pilotable

Then again, in another interview they said X3 had TOO MANY pilotable ships and was "confusing" because of it.

I'm staying skeptical until it's been out for a while.

>>15540502

Surely now that rebirth nearly killed their fucking company they have stopped chasing shit design philosophy?

>>15540484

I see.

>>15540502

>they said X3 had TOO MANY pilotable ships and was "confusing" because of it.

>When there are some mods which added over 50+ ships and other mod which made Kha'ak ships boardable/usable by player too.

I think someone in Egosoft is retarded. Besides, everyone will pick their favorite ship and stick to it, unless someone needs to use something bigger.

move to >>>/vg/ now.

>>15539717

>marinos espaciales

i have seen everything

>>15540484

>I think some xenon ships were uncaptureable in Rebirth.

>rebirth

who gives a fuck about that? also all the ships except the big kaaaakkkkk ships were pilotable in x3

>>15542102

>who gives a fuck about that?

I was explaining what they might have meant by saying "most" ships will be pilotable instead of "all." If any ships cannot be acquired, then clearly not all can be flown.

>>15542056

I'm not falling for the "devs are nice" argument.

What matters is if they're cucked or not.

>>15542175

They're two brothers making vidya. They don't seem to be. Anyways, I was just mentioning the devs were OK.

>>15507012

>that first pic

hot

shame they're in the wrong faction

If you're expecting X4 to not be X Rebirth 2 you're in for disappointment. It will have space highways, it's missing the Boron despite them being a core race, and streamlining & accessibility are still the focus as they seriously think they too could have the Star Citizen audience despite having difficulties with even basic communication with the community. They're determined that the X audience was mistaken and really wanted freelancer instead of their game.

>>15542175

They're not cucked but they're not /ourdevs/ either. I think they're trying to tread a fine line of remaining un-politicised for as long as possible. Like >>15542215 said they're just two brothers making the games they want so they're small enough to get away with it (for now).

Definitely worth buying on sale. Templar Battleforce is also pretty good.

>>15444888

>double trips

>rebel galaxy sequel

THANK YOU, GOD!

Sage for offtopic.

Does anyone have the pdf of All Tomorrows? I can't find mine.

>>15460042

It's funny how Heinlein was just pointing out some flaws in democracy, but Verhoeven ended up making fascism look cool.

>>15543012

Man proper science fiction isn't used nearly enough. There were so many good series you could make into games.

I'll probably be dead by the time they make a VR vidya about Ender's Game

>>15543049

>VR vidya about Ender's Game

i was forced to watch the movie, i wanted to punch the MC face.

>>15541869

>star traders frontiers

is the game fun?

>>15543049

That's probably because it would be kinda boring for an action setting, (with exception to war) I like proper engineering and practical space ships but have the science bent for the fun bits.

>>15543214

>red armband

Are you part of the space communists?

Anyone following any of the following games?

>>15543259

What game is that again?

>>15543877

Children of a Dead Earth

>>15542818

Read and watch video in >>15531901

>>15543949

Sure looks that way

>>15543105

The movie is complete and utter shit compared to the novel. The time frame is around 10 years in the book but the movie compresses everything into a few months, making Ender look like a sperg with hamfisted character development.

Currently playing Star Control Origins, but now that I've beat the game, I'm running out of stuff to do in it.

I may go back and play space rangers again once I've exhausted Origins.

>>15541066

that's some jump in logic there.

>>15541544

>being a two -timing whore.

>>15542007

it's the only vidya board worth a damn. why else would I want the few only decent threads to move over there.

>>15532346

That fucking reminds me of some of the station art style of Rebirth. First time I saw a solar array station, I just wanted to live there and do this everyday. Rebirth is still one of the coolest looking X game yet.

>>15550302

>Coolest looking

Maybe.

>Best one

Definitely not.

>>15550482

It's dead as fuck. But I pray for a miracle

The devs are still plugging away at it. Not sure if it's 'technically' released or still in early access limbo purgatory. The problem is they're either unable or unwilling to give it the publicity it needs to attract an actual playerbase.

>>15435729

>playin

Got incredibly bored of Stellaris and Endless Space 2. At least the Imperium of Man is finally victorious in both games now.

>>15550506

I think I recall them saying they would advertise it when it got closer to being done.

>>15550537

I keep thinking that ES2 will offer something more but a lot of it feels lazy for the kind of budget they should have now. Rescuing horatio pops as a craver should have a very different feel to the writing. From a practical stand point, most people are going to skip that text, but including small details like that go a long way to make the game seem more fleshed out. Hell, some of the quests don't make sense for some factions. Why the fuck would minorities riot in a Hissho empire over a perceived injustice? They can just purge the lot of them in ritual blood sacrifice, get nice bonuses for it and free up more pop-slots for more Hissho citizens. That questline in general bothers me.

The ship variety is also rather weak. It is about the same variety as EL had with units, but minor factions don't impart unique units to your empire. Which is aggravating since harmony, amoeba and pilgrims all had unique ship models, and were major empires, in ES1. Then they had the inclusion of Behemoths, which were a nice idea, but despite being built by different empires they do not have unique models between the empires. Boarding pods can mitigate that, but they are DLC only and are just stealing enemy ships to add to your own. It is a trick most likely to work on their invasion fleets that are moving to retrieve more troops for the invasion, rather than a properly defended and armed combat fleet.

>>15545106

>>15543949

Thanks, Skywanderers is on my radar now for that hot nsfw mech action and moving block autism, lets hope it goes somewhere good.

>>15446346

space niggers

>>15560336

source? that's really fucking cute

>>15560336

Adminstratium

Arbite (3)

SoB (11)

Krieger (25)

Taldeer (40)

>>15560361

http://eversorthewry.tumblr.com drew the spirtes for this but a guy named Red drew the header image but it's one of many Towergirls spin offs

>>15560437

neat

>>15560626

Because they're the one place it makes sense to have a procedurally generated world, and yet no one will ever make a game on a ringworld that actually takes advantage of the setting and has mechanics that show it off.

>>15560991

>standing in the way of pure love

That's spaceharam, nigga

>>15560991

Kriegers are still people anon. With huge knockers

>>15550885

>ES1 factions not returning in ES2

Good. Only good thing about amoeba was their ship design. Harmony isn't in the game, because they felt they can't make it fun to play. Pilgrims can go fuck themselves, we don't need more human factions.

>minor factions don't impart unique units to your empire

They add sprites in the ground battle screen. Yes.

>>15560983

I have a notebook where I write concept of Fallout 2 style game based on Niven's RingWorld, maybe one day I will try to make it reality or just hire Vince D. Weller to make it for me

>>15561117

>he doesn't wish the Sowers came back

It's like you don't like terraforming the entire galaxy or something.

>>15561040

any of the games have catgirls?

>>15561118

>go to the population/planet thingy

>they are all niggers

fug

>>15560983

Like for example?

>>15554468

>>15554498

>>15554428

WTF is this shit? You stoned anon?

>>15561117

Nigger, what is the equivalent of a EL unit in ES2? A fucking ship. The ground units in your army are all the fucking same statistically, so one of your units being a horatio is the same shit as an imperial or whatever. That is a neat detail they added, but imparts nothing other than a visual representation of how many civilizations are participating in your purge of fish. Stop being a disingenuous retard.

>>15561188

I don't remember liking their ship designs, but I liked the concept.

>>15561118

>>15563944

Whenever that happens, its utterly pointless. Even if your infiltration of a civilization fails, which this event only slows down, you can always just land troops and purge the pops once you conquer them, among other things.

>>15561188

Forgot about them. They're a bit obsolete because of Riftborn, unfortunately.

>>15563977

>Nigger, what is the equivalent of a EL unit in ES2? A fucking ship.

This was my point, yes. You don't have to repeat it.

>>15554430

I think that particular debate you are referencing was actually over fleet strategy.

One admiral wanted a capital ship oriented fleet while the other wanted a small craft focused fleet. The debate devolved into name calling and the meeting was adjourned.

>>15561135

What's he holding?

>>15566584

>>15566605

You're hitting all the right buttons, dude. Cucking the Vindicare route sounds spicy.

>>15566683

the second shit is dabbing

ship*

>>15566683

>mech

>spaceflight

Why would you commit such a travesty of bad engineering choices? I've never understood the terrible space mech "designs" that Japan spits out.

>>15567239

Limbs allow zero-g movement without the need for fuel consuming RCS thrusters, third law of motion nigger.

>>15567239

Because per Gundam's example, having huge thruster-equipped limbs that can act as both giant reaction wheels for dime-turns without propellant expenditure as well as legs for external spacewalks/space colony & planetary invasion and hands for easy interchangeability of primary armaments, as long as you have the cold fusion to power them and some in-universe justification for bringing engagements back to line of sight level (Minovsky particles,) is useful. Space planes simply cannot decide, 'I am going to swing around and make a boosted U-turn using a space battleship I have just impacted as a springboard' nor can conventional AFVs decide 'I am going to leap directly aside from this ungainly tank fire and hose it down with equally high caliber externally-carried autocannon fire unto death.'

Personally, I think the most useful development of the AMBAC concept in space would be a cephalopod space fighter rather than a human shaped robot; it can perform AMBAC turns in all directions with far easier balance calculation, make even more extreme thrust vector changes at the same time with the number & flexibility of limbs, and offer a very deflective Mobile Armor-like profile, keeping most the advantages of both mobile suits and conventional space fighters without certain weaknesses or costs. But I'm not the singlehanded inventor of the Real Robot genre, so I don't make or twist the conventions.

>>15567352

>swimming in space

>>15567373

Better than drowning in space

>>15567384

NO.

>>15531259

I wish this was canon

>>15567787

Is it not? There are Inquisitors out there that are into Xenos to use against the enemies of the Emperor so if they found an Orc clan that would work with them, have all the free equipment they could want and enough enemies to satisfy them, they'd make effective shock troops.

>>15567789

There's Ork pirates that will work for an inquisitor for dosh. But you'll never see Orkz working as a part of the imperium.

>>15567361

The idea of a giant humanoid robot attempting to perform a leap, let alone trying to fire an autocannon and manage the recoil while it does so, or jumping off of spaceships only sounds believable to you because you can visualize it happening after having seen that kind of thing happen in anime.

In reality, it's ridiculous to the point of fantasy and the only reason anyone tries to argue otherwise is because they desperately wish that it wasn't.

>>15568011

>In reality, it's ridiculous to the point of fantasy and the only reason anyone tries to argue otherwise is because they desperately wish that it wasn't.

Nonsense. It's within the bounds of suspension of disbelief, as within the cited universe are cold fusion operating on only slightly modified physics with obnoxious electromagnetic spectra-fucking byproducts, highly advanced material sciences (through a late 1970s-early 80s rooted lens) and computation that can no longer be both miniaturized and effectively shielded, and various other more-than-handwaves which make joystick piloting a fictional colossal man-tank at LoS combat ranges plausible in universe and lends slight credence outside of it. Other universes make other justifications or don't, but the notion that because our sciences aren't far enough along to make legs a viable choice compared to axle-wheels or tank treads means they can never be or be plausible in fiction is what's really ridiculous, and I don't really understand how this unfun pretension still survives. In order;

>a giant humanoid robot attempting to perform a leap

What energy is available to the machine in question through tension of steel muscles, servo joints, and chemical thrusters with appropriate vectoring and balance? If the requisite energies are available, the robot can jump and land, in spite of square-cube law making it very heavy, even with official, nominal weights on the level of modern MBTs (which you have to blanch at, advanced space age materials or no) being a tall order. This is easier in lower gravity than on Earth, obviously. But get a sophisticated and high-powered enough chemical rocket set & computer correction combined with pilot aptitude in order to stick the landing, and it is not impossible. Energy in, reaction out, counter-reaction in, energy out. Goes up, comes down.

>trying to fire an autocannon and manage the recoil while it does so

I point to one of Eugene Stoner's later machineguns, may or may not have been a derivative of the Stoner 63 but that's what it ends up labeled as in video mirrors, which has essentially zero kick. None. Can be fired in full automatic from a teacup handgun grip and will do little more than gently bob up & down. The constraint of large-scale autocannons is that their feed & mechanical mechanisms are limited by the size of the AFV/turret and the space for men that will operate it; if it is a self-contained external unit carried and fired through hand manipulators or modular bolt-on assemblies, with either the inevitable exposure of operating portions or sheer fusion power available to bear the weight of tougher receivers and armored cycling elements like a gas tube taken as givens, this frees up the weapon to bloat in any direction, in any fashion that aids in its ability to cycle and compensate its own recoil. Additionally, it allows much of or its entire ammo supply to be linked to the weapon in (a) magazine(s), which in addition to being able to incorporate blowout panel like design just as AFVs use, are safer for the core unit than an internal magazine would be simply by being totally outside the vehicle, blowout panel or no. I will also point to computer assistance and brute artificial muscle strength as additional compensators.

Why do you assume that these weapons must be inherently unwieldy and uncompensated for? Simply because autoloaders and recoil mechanisms for 75mm+ cannons constrained by their vehicles are generally limited to revolvers, cassettes, or infernal Soviet carousels (I would far prefer external mecha gun magazines that can at least be compressed & stockily armored in spite of exposure to being totally surrounded by ammo stretched radially around a turret ring pointing directly inwards at me) rather than being able to hybridize with small arms design or scale it up outright? What prevents even a pig-simple underbarrel long recoil design from eating much of its own recoil while properly tuned steel muscles and/or servos counteract the rest both automatically and with pilot adjustment?

>>15568155

Continued.

>or jumping off of spaceships

Robot has big legs and chemical rockets. Robot has neutralized its momentum by slamming into and crumpling the hull of a large space vessel feet-first at a velocity that does not compromise its own very stocky and bottom-heavy structural integrity, by using the flex radius of its limbs to absorb shock and deceleration by weapon fire or thrusters to slow to safe levels of speed and thus shock as necessary with as little propellant waste as the pilot can manage. Robot proceeds to boost from a neutralized rest state at high initial speed, relative to if it had not halted momentum and dumped its forward energy into said ship, making for huge time and delta-V savings compared to cancelling and reversing its own momentum through thrust alone. Rocket fly. Rocket hit thing. Rocket stop. Rocket jump around fast. Simple.

>(it) only sounds believable to you because you can visualize it happening after having seen that kind of thing happen in anime.

Visualization is God and seeing is believing. If you can see it, or conceive it and thus see it inwardly, it can exist somewhere, somewhen, somehow, in some way, and if not here, then there, across the great causal sea. As already said, I do think there are better solutions using the back-justifying innovations made by Mobile Suits or other real robot franchises than bipeds, all of which have little to do with truly hard science fiction. But just about nothing has anything to do with hard science fiction, because that is the realm of hide-and-go-bazooka with gigantic laser pointers, semi-semi-relativistic missile swarms and point blank atomic weapons depending on how frisky the author feels in providing enough fissile material, since a good shaped nuclear charge design with any appreciable miniaturization sort of obsoletes everything bigger than the minimum possible carrier for that charge and the necessary tenders. I'm pretty sure even the very hard Legend of the Galactic Heroes might sit outside stringent purist standards for one reason or another.

So why get crabby over mecha being 'fantasy' and 'poor design' under present technical circumstances? It might be that you just don't appreciate the aesthetic. Space ships of the line with rigidly mounted broadsides and hemmed-in turret traverses, free agents with starfighters, rubber forehead aliens, kilometer+ long megavessels that vaporize planets with weapons of an energy scale that can't even begin to be properly conceived except through the most immense autism imaginable ala The Empire vs Star Trek, these are also 'ridiculous.' Why twist knickers over limbed vehicles with some avante garde design qualities which can often straddle the line between handwave fantasy & the real?

>>15568870

But what about Mecha for inchlings?

>>15567793

That probably hasn’t stopped some madman in the Ordo Xenos from trying to get the Orks to fight for the Imperium. Trying to introduce a meme that the Emperor is actually another facet of Gork & Mork. It would be a failure of Kryptman levels, but I’m sure someone has tried it.

Why does this fag keep posting obnoxious weeb memes combined with 40k? Get cancer. Die. Fuck off. Faggot.

My biggest gripe with all of those giant robots/mecha is that all these super-materials and technologies are only used on them.

Also, the super-redicolous materials. Why do giant robots punch eachother, fall, get hit ,etc… and there's virtually no ddeformation or damage?

The first thing that would happen when a giant robot punches another in the head would be that one looses the head and the other the arm.

>>15568870

>Making something over ten meters tall causes it to be vulnerable by LOS engagement at the same sort of ranges a building is

Considering how the guns can generally be brought to shoulder and the sensors are as high as possible in the head, this also means it has the ability for LOS engagement at extreme ranges. The horizon itself can act as cover in the absence of obstruction; knees have the interesting ability to bend, meaning this towering profile can be reduced slightly on the move and not insubstantially while working through an urban or hilly environment with hard cover.

>having it leap into the air would expose it to AA and junk fire from tens of kilometers away

True, with the question being how solidly the vehicle can be built and whether said AA fire will be effective. Or, as in Gundam's case, if the guns can get a solid radar/visual lock to fire at standoff like that.

>Simply scaling up a machine gun doesn't work.

Based on what, is the issue? You've posted the turret of what I thought was a SPAG, but on reverse searching is actually a 152mm concept destroyer turret. Its layout is optimized for mounting in a naval hull, and while thoroughly indicative of what's necessary for automatic feeding in that environment, it isn't damning yet.

>Once a weapon gets to the size of something like an automatic 120mm cannon everything changes, for example: a magazine will need a system for moving the rounds into the chamber since obviously a spring won't be up to the task.

I'll risk being a broken record here in saying 'muh advanced material science.' Assuming the upper range of, say, the Zaku II's nominal 120mm designation indicating caliber and not something else entirely as some have speculated based on technical drawings, one popular idea being a caliber of 76mm, richer alloying and higher sophistication of manufacturing method are entirely plausible in being able to shove out 120mm scale magazine follower springs in 50+ years of development from now. But if we still consider that not to be the case,

>Something like the loading system on a warship would be needed, but those are huge, heavy, need a power source and won't be able to simply be locked in place on the weapon like a magazine is on a rifle.

… at which point we can get a power feeding mechanism going, with a heavily shielded & armored capacitor stuck somewhere on the gun body to run an extractor+rammer (not necessarily a true bolt) and the locking & unlocking of the bolt or wedge breach, or perhaps a hybrid design, with a 'simple' computer coordinating the entire affair. Not ideal considering it sounds like techno whizzbang wizardry compared to mechanical cycling on gas actuated/gas delayed/recoil/etc principles, but if there's no way to make that work then we have options.

>It also couldn't sit in the same position as on a rifle's magazine since that would be putting however many tons of strain on both the gun itself and the robot's arm.

Depends on the weight and strength of both respective materials. 'Couldn't' is not a given here. It is a hypothetical hurdle, not a wall.

>Modern autoloaders fire at the rate they do, and cannons kick as hard as they do out of necessity

They do so because that is what can be managed with modern material science, conservative design ethic, and beside gimmick new unmanned turret designs ala the Armata, the need to work around the little meat men encased in the armor. They're restricted by weight or volume. You escape the latter with totally exteriorized weapons, but material and power supply are the prerequisites for countering the former. Also consider that they maintain the rate of fire they do beside cost or material because they are both what is necessary, but more importantly what can be effectively leveraged. An AFV can only acquire and fire on so many targets in so much time even with good command, a given volume constrained electric motor traverse, and hunter-killer capacity, indicating the possibility that this is the constraining point and not material or mechanical possibility, fumbling mil-ind complex work or no. But yon horizon-peeking skyscraper bot can leverage that autofire through whipping aim and good perspective.

>>15570233

>And after all that, there's no reason why tanks and aircraft would not be firing at the same rate as the robots since whatever the technology was would then be applied to them.

Again, internal volume problems. Crew-saddled design for ground AFVs. Vibration/structural issues for aircraft, if the same 'material science' wave that enables manbots doesn't quite solve the sort of fatigue caused by cannons like the GSh-6-30 in the MiG-27. What you might be able to do for a hand-carried weapon you might not be able to do for its installation in an AFV or plane without some doing. That does give me an interesting idea or two about sticking ballistic Mobile Suit weapons in some kind of minimal tracked chassis with purpose-designed turrets, though. Like how the A-10 was designed and physically molded around the GaU-30. The ZMP-50D kicks the shit out of Feddie MBTs at favorable and unfavorable angles alike, which makes one wonder how a radically redesigned Magella centered around it would fare. It'd make a nice minimum chassis for surplus MS weapons in the face of a shortage of suits.

>Why would the spaceship be less tough than the robot?

Hollow hull shell versus a relatively solid mass of armor shell, fixed closely around solid underlying mechanics, interspersed with robust thruster elements specifically meant to hold out and cause no structural weakness themselves under this kind of abuse. Like hitting scaffold stretched foil with a stone surrounded by foil; they're the same in skin, but not in construction. Plus, you've got no-sell particle beams kicking around, so the assumption that the ship will be built solid rather than solid enough is somewhat faulty. For Christ's sake, true hard sci-fi designs are glorified paper bags contrived from whipple shielding and the cheapest radiation moderator you can get your hands on! Would we expect that to withstand the impact of so many tons of cast steel striking home? Would we expect it to do anything other than bear the brunt of the energy transfer?

>A regular spacecraft has a more efficient shape for armoring

Is that why it needs to be interspersed with corridors and servicing spaces for all the little men to move about in past a certain scale of hull depth that makes external servicing ports alone insufficient?

>and more usable interior space for fuel and oxidizer.

And more empty, non-solid points, which can be both good and bad.

>The scenario could be more easily be imagined as the robot flying into the spaceship, it's legs buckling and crumpling before the rest of it smashes into the ship's hull.

Based on your preconception of the ship as solid and uniformly more massy than the dense manbot with only a one-man cockpit space for significant structural hollows, which just doesn't strike me as logically sound.

>It's not as though in space smaller things are somehow faster, either.

Not in terms of how fast they can go, but how fast they can accelerate with a given boost available. And a given ratio of engine power & fuel to the rest of the mass, with fuel additionally determining length. Smaller things get faster easier until they run out of fuel. Large things can get faster better over longer distances while maintaining the ability to slow down properly.

>>15570254

>That of course leaves aside trying to reach a target in a huge vehicle without getting shot to pieces from however far away. There's no cover in space and even if there's no radar, exhaust plumes will visually give any spacecraft away at a huge distance.

I could rattle off 'muh Minovsky particle,' but that'd be lazy and you're already familiar with the modified physics that are specific only to Gundam anyways. Instead I'll ask the question, 'how does a given missile attack or fighter run get in?' The answer is by having lots of them, moving either very quickly or perhaps unpredictably, while deploying lots of decoy countermeasures, in order to throw off, drown and defeat a CWIS system. These countermeasures do not suddenly stop being available because you put legs and arms on your one-man attack craft.

>I just think trying to justify it in any way that isn't "I think it looks cool" or "it makes for good model kits" is a bad idea in the same way trying to explain away why pulp sci-fi like Star Trek and Star Wars all have deck plans perpendicular to the direction of thrust.

But trying to justify it and asking questions like that is interesting. It makes for good brain food. Hard science fiction tends to ask the question, 'What if X?' with the preceding question of 'how do X?' the answer for which is 'Y,' which may be rooted in hard facts or may be speculative or even counterfactual. Tomino asked the question, 'How do I get anachronistic 80s LoS giant robot fightan in the spacefuture?' The answer was to solve the problems of power, sophistication of materials, the source for said materials (asteroid mining) and the nerf batting of countermeasures like laser CIWS (highly effective anti-laser coating renders them obsolete) and smallscale smart & standoff weapons (former murdered by interference if you don't invest substantial mass to shielding, latter disrupted though not eliminated by targeting disruption created by visual distortion.) It's interesting to ask the question, 'can we still make this work with the removal of certain justifying elements?' And I think the answer is firmly 'maybe.' But it'd be best in the form of limbed cone space fighters/drones and all-terrain bipedal heavy mortar carriers & urban assault craft rather than all-purpose giant robots, if you ask me. Supplementation is quite achievable, but mass obsolescence not as much.

>>15569047

You're mixing your super robots with your real robots and you're criminally baiting based on typing alone.

>My biggest gripe with all of those giant robots/mecha is that all these super-materials and technologies are only used on them.

Not strictly true in the least. With just UC Gundam for an example, Minovsky cold fusion is first used to power space battleships and to pump their big fuckoff particle cannons, only later being adapted to the mobile suit concept. Improved armor materials like Luna Titanium end up spreading setting wide once proven, obsoleting space age steel in the same way composite armor obsoleted RHA and CHA. Technical innovations end up going as much into often more ship-like Mobile Armor as into bipedal MS. Space fighters don't go entirely the way of the dodo, at least not immediately, although there's a craze for movable geometry/transformer designs for a short time in universe to try and get the best of all worlds, particularly atmospheric flight.

>Why do giant robots punch eachother, fall, get hit ,etc… and there's virtually no ddeformation or damage?

Fallacious and not true in all cases, but the answer is either 'it's a super robot show' or 'tight animation budget.' Or both. Or the blow or fall wasn't enough to cause substantial damage.

>The first thing that would happen when a giant robot punches another in the head would be that one looses the head and the other the arm.

Why? That depends entirely on how solidly constructed each part is. The head is a mess of sensors and worky bits in a dense shell designed for at-range ballistic resistance. The other is mostly solid metal with reinforced jointing and lots of mass behind it. One is designed to robustly handle objects and to keep kicking after a licking. The other is designed as a receptacle for high-powered observation equipment that under ideal circumstances is not expected to receive a substantial fraction of the weight of a 60 foot-60 ton fighting machine in mass & force all at once. The face will probably break. The arm will probably not.

>>15516078

Sauce on music?

>>15570260

>Fallacious and not true in all cases, but the answer is either 'it's a super robot show' or 'tight animation budget.' Or both. Or the blow or fall wasn't enough to cause substantial damage.

There is nothing fallacious about it. When two high-mass things collade they are BOTH getting fucked, unless the mass/density difference is big.

You can bet your ass off that falling onto the ground would do big damage to a robot, as even a small bend can fuck up a joint.

>the arm is solid metal

No, it's not. It will bend and break. Especially the joints.

>>15570254

Taht entire post is a lod of unbelievalbe bullsht.

No structural weakneses?

Volume problems for vehicles, bit not robots?

Vibration problems for vehicles, but not robots?

Armor thickenss of the spaceship is less than that of a robot???

The internal of the robot is fully solid with no wasted voluem and no pannels to acess the insides for repairs??

Robots, despite most of the it's mass wasted just to support their own mass and move the limbs, somehow have more fuel and better engines than fighters?

Just end yourself.

Simply reading your mental vommit drains my IQ.

looking into stellaris. is it possible to acquire workshop mods for use outside of steam?

>>15572395

Grab the URL of the mod page and try this:

http://steamworkshopdownloader.com/

If it doesn't work, there could be a few reasons. Some games are vender locked so you have to buy the game to access the workshop but some games might allow you to download via that link.

Give this thread a look at.

https://www.gog.com/forum/shadowrun_series/how_to_get_steam_workshop_mods_without_using_steam/page1

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>No structural weakneses?

Plausibly not enough that it would crumple and fail automatically on a hard impact against a less hardened impact target. You said yourself, 'unless the mass/density difference is big.' 'Solid' robot fist to sensor-laden robot shell head sounds like a perfect case of this.

>No, it's not.

The fingers are heavy space age steel- or equivalent, or better- and components to manipulate them, the limb shell is steel, the underlying mechanics are heavy pistons, robust servos, and/or steel electro-muscles at a higher technical level than we are at now. No, it isn't a literal steel billet, it's better than that, because it has shock absorbers and parts that are likely to be or be contained within largely tempered machine forgings.

>It will bend and break. Especially the joints.

The joints that can flexibly move in counter-action to potential strain after enough force was and counterforce is delivered if the struck object is not bowled over or sufficiently displaced to allow the arm to keep straightening? It just has to stay rigidly extended and then snap like a twig or banana itself backwards or pop the hand right out at the wrist, because reasons?

>Volume problems for vehicles, bit not robots?

Correct on some level. Your large real robot has a pretty spare cockpit space for one pilot, a high-output power source, and expands outwards incessantly to a large scale to support its structural, automotive & combat needs. Once the high profile problem is accepted as a given and you have sufficiently strong space age materials, that expansion can go far. A conventional and conservatively designed AFV with manual or semi-manual weapons operation uses/wastes a large amount of internal volume and warped design ethic on making sure that the men inside can operate their positions and move between them. It's a hollow box filled out with automotive and munitions components. The 'spare cockpit space' ethic is already being applied in the aforementioned Armata today, of course, so it's not at all like this can't be applied to tracked vehicles.

>Vibration problems for vehicles, but not robots?

For a jet aircraft firing exceptionally high-caliber autocannons, absolutely. I explicitly cited the Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-6-30 as an example of what happens when you try to really overgun a fighter (or CAS aircraft) relative to the technology available; the aircraft tends to get shaken to pieces. Therefore, the advances that lend to high-caliber hand armaments for giant man-robots do necessarily not translate into equivalent or similar firepower for other fighting vehicles. Tanks have crews to work around, atmospheric fightercraft have staying sustainedly airborne to mind.

<On the Mikoyan MiG-27 the GSh-6-30 had to be mounted obliquely to absorb recoil. The gun was noted for its high (often uncomfortable) vibration and extreme noise. The airframe vibration led to fatigue cracks in fuel tanks, numerous radio and avionics failures, the necessity of using runways with floodlights for night flights (as the landing lights would often be destroyed), tearing or jamming of the forward landing gear doors (leading to at least three crash landings), cracking of the reflector gunsight, an accidental jettisoning of the cockpit canopy and at least one case of the instrument panel falling off in flight. The weapons also dealt extensive collateral damage, as the sheer numbers of fragments from detonating shells was sufficient to damage aircraft flying within a 200-meter radius from the impact center, including the aircraft firing.

>Armor thickenss of the spaceship is less than that of a robot???

One is a substantially hollow multi-purpose vessel with transit and maintenance corridors throughout and a superstructure welded armor shell that in fiction is likely not uniform in thickness (and if it is can only be so thick) for the same reason naval armoring isn't, and potentially developed towards the all-or-nothing scheme just like naval design culminated in. And in harder fiction, space ship armor generally consists of slightly stiffer space shuttle construction, paper thin whipple shielding over a still not very thick internal armor layer. The other is a series of dense largely steel alloy-or-tougher components capable of flexing joints to absorb shock with its armor skin built tight, close, and possibly- likely- denser for a given mass & volume as a result. I repeat the rock-on-foil analogy.

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>The internal of the robot is fully solid with no wasted voluem and no pannels to acess the insides for repairs??

No wasted volume, no, literally solid, no. But relatively more solid than a large craft for a given weight, or a leaner and faster spaceplane not designed with the peculiarities of bipedal locomotion & impact in mind, with less 'wasted' volume than an AFV with more crew and less automation. I'm not sure where you got the idea that there's no servicing access, unless you're just twisting the repeated adjective 'solid' to its furthest logical conclusion. Funny thing about building a vehicle with just one man in mind and trying to get it as spartanly crammed together as you can; up to a given depth, it's possible to conceive of maintenance access in a radial fashion, where you needn't dig anything out to get at something else underneath, and can instead simply come in from another point on the exterior.

But then again, if you're building 'solid' with long term high strain resistance in mind for more integral and less replaceable, that is bound to be hard to access in field conditions, true. And that's why you have differing layers of maintenance, ranging from field tuning to factory reworks, and if the latter is necessary you simply bring in a replacement part as you send back the old one, logistics permitting. Instead of engine and transmission replacement, you have limb tradeout.

>Robots, despite most of the it's mass wasted just to support their own mass and move the limbs, somehow have more fuel and better engines than fighters?

No where can that be directly quoted, but I can see where the misconception and my miscommunication was made. Where I was prattling with capital craft or a more mass equivalent large gunship/cutter in mind- 'interspersed with corridors,' 'more empty non-solid points'- you read with fighters in mind. For that matter, although his line 'the scenario could be more easily be imagined as the robot flying into the spaceship, it's legs buckling and crumpling before the rest of it smashes into the ship's hull' is explicitly in reference to large craft, fighters are likely in part where aff1cc was writing from with the 'more efficient armoring' statement and implicitly 'more efficient layout,' wrong as I think it is for a larger ship, and instead of 'muh solidity' I'll go down the 'muh AMBAC maneuvering' line to explain the potential advantaging.

To that end; fighters generally can't turn on a dime with astronaut limb-swinging or boost off at sharply modified angles to their original vector afterwards, or 180 and start the process of crash decelerating so quickly. They still retain the not insubstantial advantages of straight line speed, range and putting all their mass towards making that work for high-speed attack runs. Nevermind that manned fighters are already ridiculous as a concept in space outside pulpy fiction, since all you're getting is a glorified meat-computated missile that has to spend fuel both going and coming back in order to deliver very small submunitions for its overall mass.

>Just end yourself.

What, a man can't do a little well intending and immodestly biased devils' advocacy anymore? I won't pretend the logic in play is completely sound, locked down or definitely useful. But it's plausible enough to be discussion and thought provoking. You don't have to be prickly about it. For all your dismissive pettiness, you didn't once zero in on the most important points as to why large scale bipedal mecha let alone multipurpose ones ala Mobile Suits aren't a sterling idea, which is that ground pressure is a bitch and you need feet like giant snowshoes, even beyond the common Tomino style leg-heaviness.

Instead, you had to attack based on a nongiven ('the arm will break!') or reactively repeat some of my points as questions and feign authority through derision. I'd call it pilpul, but it's not nearly that sophisticated and by dictionary definition that's far closer to what I'm doing with rambling paragraphs; it's just frustrated drag-down mudslinging.