/v/ - Video Games

nigga just hook up a computer to your TV via HDMI and use wireless equipment

Just use a PC.

So a pre-built PC but it's actually a console? Also I can imagine Microsoft sending a few lawyers after you if you ship consoles with their OS.

>>15427218

>So a pre-built PC but it's actually a console?

Basically.

>I can imagine Microsoft sending a few lawyers after you if you ship consoles with their OS.

Any company that did this would obviously get an OEM deal for Windows, just like any other pre-built PC manufacturer.

>>15427214

Solid advice.

Commoners believe TV screens are the best but the reality is that TVs are a mass indoctrination tools thus made of cheap parts.

TV screens suck.

>>15427223

What do you even want to achieve? Explain that and we'll tell you the solution.

>>15427199

I think it's a very good idea. Nobody bothers with upgrading hardware anyway and I don't think most users need the entire OS. They mostly either game or work on it, so streamlining the console-PC to these parameters would be optimal and probably much cheaper in terms of maintenance.

>>15427223

Well if it can do all the stuff that a pre-built it's prize can, people still need an incentive to not just buying a pre-built.

>>15427230

Console price and convenience, but the PC's ability to run whatever you want, including emulators and old games.

>>15427199

Just do it yourself. If you don't care about the form factor of the case it literally just takes hdmi and wireless kbm.

If you do want a mini pc you can buy them although they are overpriced.

Hell, a quick web search will hold your fucking hand on what parts to buy. If the question is why no company does this, if so because the normalfag masses get by just fine with a console or even a thirty dollar android stick

>>15427233

>cheap easy to use and totally customizable, these are achievable design goals

Oh you're twelve years old, i understand now

>>15427232

I'm not sure what you mean.

>>15427237

>Just do it yourself.

I am, actually. That's what prompted me to make this thread. A pre-built could do it cheaper, due to economies of scale.

>If you don't care about the form factor of the case

I do.

I'm just saying, it's possible to have all the benefits of a PC and of a console, with none of the downsides of either, yet no company has done this.

>>15427243

>totally customizable

Never said that. I don't really give a shit about customization. It's compatibility that's the real issue.

Making a good PC-as-console requires an operating system UI that actually works for it.

Windows doesn't have that, and Microsoft doesn't want anything that competes with Xbox.

This leaves us with only one alternative; Linux. And the only one that did a push for that was

>No, don't mention Steam Machines

These people.

Which brings us to your excuse

>they were heavily associated with a single online shop

In order for these PC-as-console machines to be successful they have to be profitable.

PC's are already more expensive than consoles. The reason why consoles turn a profit is because the companies making them have a monopoly on the storefront and extract revenue from all game sales for that platform.

Valve simply pushed them because Valve owns most of the digital PC market. On top of also being the only big player that sells games for Linux.

>no single unified build of either hardware or software

Then it wouldn't be a PC, numb-nuts.

You could hook a raspi to your tv with every video game made before 2000 and a sufficiently large sd card would be the most expensive part of the entire purchase. You can find premade images that you just burn and plug in. If you just want to pirate old games and play them on tv that's $100? What company is going to try to compete in that space?

a living room genuinely could not compete. Valve tried it and killed it shortly after it started. No interest in promoting or getting support or garnering interest. You do need to put this shit in peoples faces in order to see success. Sega didn't dominate NA early in the 4th generation by just making good games, they made sure everyone knew about them. Nobody on the PC would do this because there is no first party.

>>15427233

>Console price and convenience

Building a PC that's as capable as a console IS cheaper as long as you install Linux on it and run Win games through Wine.

>convenience

I don't understand. You could just put the couch in front of your PC instead of the other way around.

Get a comfy chair.

This also results in you not having to load up batteries of your components (at first console faggots like it but then they have enough of it some day and rebuy the same shit wired) and higher input precision the wireless shit.

>ability to run whatever you want, including emulators and old games.

Told you, install GNU/Linux

>>15427199

>NOTE TO MODS: THIS IS NOT A "LE PC VS. CONSOLE" THREAD.

The fact that we need to put disclaimers like this on OP's is about the best proof I can think of that we have the worst fucking janitors and one of the worst BOs on this website, jesus christ.

Expecting the fuckers to actually read something they ban and delete has become a goddamn pipe dream.

or you crack Windows.

Just don't buy it

>>15427246

Well you have absolutely no advantage over pre-built PCs. Anyone who wants a console will stick with other consoles, and normalfags who want PCs will stick to pre-builts. Unless you get some sick exclusives for your pseudo-console (which I doubt you'd be getting) it sounds like a shitty project to me.

>>15427249

>Making a good PC-as-console requires an operating system UI that actually works for it.

Not really. You can just run an HTPC interface on top of Windows.

>This leaves us with only one alternative; Linux.

I run Linux on my laptop, but no. What I'm talking about wouldn't really be appropriate for Linux. The point is a console-like machine (for convenience), but PC internals and software (for the widest possible range of software).

>Then it wouldn't be a PC, numb-nuts.

You don't understand what I'm saying. Valve could have said, "These hardware specs are what constitute a Steam Machine 1.0." They didn't do that, which led to instant fragmentation, which is probably a big part of why it failed. You couldn't design anything for a Steam Machine because a Steam Machine could be anything under the sun.

>>15427252

I already do that for old games, with my laptop. I'm talking about a machine that can run both old and new games.

>>15427246

>benefits

>of a console

I'm pretty sure you're not old enough to post here.

>>15427270

Small, cheap, quiet, user-friendly.

Now kill yourself.

>>15427199

There were a lot of "media center" PCs being sold in the mid to late 2000's that tried to fill this niche.

>>15427199

Nobody wants to sit on the couch with their keyboard and mouse on their lap or on a coffee table just to play a game. So you use a controller because it's smaller, handheld, etc and by that point why not just use a console? Why not just have both if you want? Nobody who plays on console is going to buy a console-killer half-PC just like they didn't buy the yearly "halo-killer" games 10 years ago.

>I'm talking a small, cheap, quiet, user-friendly living room PC, that's completely agnostic in regards to which online game shop you use, running an HTPC interface on top of a (probably stripped-down) Windows install, and using a single hardware build. Developers could easily tailor their games to support this static hardware and software profile, probably through a single toggle in the options menu. And a new machine would be released every few years, just like a console–but with one critical difference: because there's no exotic hardware or custom operating system, all your old games would continue to be compatible with the new machine. On a single box under your TV, you could play Cyberpunk 2077, Thief II, and Rogue, and all the emulators you like.

So, a Steam machine but unlocked or like a PS3 with OtherOS?

>>15427199

It needs to have a Blu-Ray player.

>>15427298

>a Steam machine but unlocked

Like a Steam Machine, but with:

1. a single HTPC interface that isn't tied to a single online shop,

2. a single hardware spec that changes only twice a decade or so, and

3. a price point of around $600 or $700.

>Nobody wants to sit on the couch with their keyboard and mouse

I wouldn't mind, depending on the specifics of the setup. Besides, for people like me with small apartments, it's really the only viable option.

>So you use a controller because it's smaller, handheld, etc and by that point why not just use a console?

Because when you buy a new one, it won't support your old games–so you have to either say goodbye to those games forever, or keep the old machine and waste valuable space.

>Nobody who plays on console is going to buy a console-killer half-PC

I would.

>>15427303

>And what if some players are into strategy games and others into shooters. The first requiring more processing power the second more graphic processing power.

It's still a PC, lad. You could crack that thing open and swap out parts. The point of a single hardware spec is just: 1) to cut down on costs, and 2) to give developers a target profile, if they want to use it.

>>15427303

>What for?

It was the cheapest mobo of its type that wasn't ASRock garbage. I don't care if it has wifi or not. Though having Bluetooth is a plus.

>WTF? That's a strange way to spell ATX

You're retarded.

Living room TVs are typically fucking garbage, even compared to LCD monitors which are also garbage but at least have good response times, that's why. You're building on a shit foundation to begin with because of that.

>>15427348

TVs are getting better: HDR support and low-latency modes are becoming more common, and new Samsung TVs even support Freesync.

>heavily associated with a single online shop

Do you have a better idea to make it actually profitable?

>>15427354

Kek no. A TV still has garbage between the monitor and the PC.

I can set my 60Hz monitor to 72Hz. I doubt I could do the same with a TV.

>>15427348

This. Fucking bend 4k OLED TV reflects like a mirror. It's all just meme shit which can be sold to normalfags who like thinking they have the best shit. It doesn't matter if it actually looks good. It's like with fashion or expensive sun glasses.

Anon, it's called a HTPC. Look it up some time, maybe you haven't heard of it because it's something you build yourself and not something some shiteating company sells to you. Unless what you're talking about is something like the Steam Machines in which case: It already failed retard.

>>15427407

>For Value

Meant "For Valve"

>>15427407

Nah, I'd rather not, what I told you is the end of the thread. I'm sure others told you the same, but that's because that's all there is to say. Make a HTPC if you want it so bad, if you want a console-pc hybrid: closest you're gonna get is a steam machine and good news they're cheap as fuck because they flopped.

>>15427346

Make like an ASRock motherboard and stop POSTing.

>>15427211

This, seriously. What a bizarre thread.

You don't need someone to build you a PC you can put in the living room. Just put a damn PC in the living room. It's a PC. I have a buddy who did this simply because he was too stupid to buy a monitor so he just uses his big living room TV. It's his multimedia everything now.

>>15427199

>Why has there never been a push for living room PCs that wasn't retarded

because you can't jew the customer as hard.

>completely agnostic in regards to which online game shop you use

you'd have to be retarded to do that. companies want walled gardens so you can only run software offered by (((them))), and not their competitors. That way they exhert vendor lock-in and cut out plenty of middlemen (e.g. third party OS and platform). It's that simple, really. Also, it's easier to target and support only 1 software and hardware configuration. You get to ship cheaper, shittier hardware, given all software that will run is approved by the manufacturer first and there's no multitasking.

Lastly, PCs are known for upgradability and maintainability, which are orthogonal to profitability (customer is more likely to repair/buy spare parts than throw the whole thing away) and delay obsolescence.

>>15427485

I am. I'm just surprised that the product I'm describing isn't out there.

>>15427490

>you'd have to be retarded to do that. companies want walled gardens

Software companies want that. That's why I think only a hardware company could (or would) do this.

>>15427511

Nonsense. There's plenty. The4 PS3 and X360 both sought to be exactly that and the PS3 even ran Linux once upon a time.

Just get a Steam link whenever it goes on sale for like a $1.

Or some other VaIolN (Video and Input over localNetwork) device, if you can't be bothered to move your computer.

Although if I had to guess most of you faggots don't even have very heavy computers probably running Real light/cheap low profile cards so just pick it up

>>15427521

>PS3 and X360 both sought to be exactly that

They failed when they decided that backwards compatibility wasn't worth it.

>>15427529

Microsoft is doing a surprising amount to correct that. BC is primarily emulation and is mostly for casual users.

>>15427529

launch 60gb version of the PS3 was fully BC. It played both PS2 and PS1 games. even the launch 20gb had a software solution that allowed it to play some PS2 games but both were fully BC with PS1 titles.

>>15427511

>I'm just surprised that the product I'm describing isn't out there.

and again: It's called the Steam machine, and it flopped harder than the titanic because it was a supremely niche product.

>>15427540

>BC is primarily emulation

No, they automatically download recompiled binaries. That's why it's on a game-by-game basis.

>>15427541

>launch 60gb version of the PS3 was fully BC.

I know, and they quickly dropped it.

>>15427551

>they quickly dropped it.

They dropped it 3 years later in a redesign after a large portion of the customer base refused to pay the price point they set for the console. Wouldn't call that "quickly", they ran with BC for the launch.

>>15427323

>a price point of around $600 or $700.

Here's the problem, consoles already cost around 400$ at the launch day. Normalfags don't care about the framerate, mod support or the graphics for that matter. They won't pay additional 200-300$ for a better experience. Your machine would have to cost less then a brand-new console to stand any chance of securing the market but I doubt you could go below 400$.

>>15427551

>I know, and they quickly dropped it.

I don't think that's accurate. They kept selling them. They just made a more affordable model.

>>15427580

Beyond 500 is pretty much no mans land for any home entertainment equipment. Pc can meme it up but a competent one will put you back 800 dollars.

>>15427389

>>15427407

What purpose does a curved TV even serve though?

>>15427619

When a TV is too large, the edges of the screen lie outside the optimal viewing angle, and the picture looks distorted. So they have to curve it to compensate. Anyone with a curved TV is a retard.

>>15427529

The launch 60gb PS3 had a PS2 Slim in the base for full hardware-BC and the following two models had software-BC (patched out). I have the original PS3 and it runs fine as long as you keep the fans clean (mine has the nicer 9-blade main fan instead of the usual 7-blade) and don't mind them sounding like a jet engine when on. The 360 can also play many Xbox games, but the list isn't that long and many of them have render issues, no fullscreen, etc. But a surprising few can run at 100% compatibility. Pretty sure the xbone has BC or something that microshit was working on. Only met like 3 people since 2014 that owned one.

>>15427650

You also have to bear in mind that 360 backwards compatibility has to have an official 360 hard drive to play.

>>15427199

>Why has no company yet released a console-like living room PC?

if some company makes actually useful PC, the work creating and manufacturing those devices is an investment, and the company wants to make money back with an interest by selling expensive harware (no-one buys that), or selling cheap hardware, and making the money with software sales, but that's just a console business model, and requires restrictions to item sales, valve had their chance with steam machines, but they screwd everything with confusing and expensive products, I believe that valve should have made just one relatively cheap steam machine, and tried to make money with game sales instead of hardware

>>15427730

Maybe it's just a personal issue then I've been trying to get backwards compatibility working on my old 360, ordered one of those aftermarket Hard drives and whenever I try to run an original xbox game it complains about it needing to download the game again, but there's no option to reset the data for it. Even the method of making a physical disk for the update doesn't work.

Customizability is too great of a strength for the PC, don't take it away

>>15427199

>Why has there never been a push for living room PCs that wasn't retarded?

Has there been a push for anything that's ever not been retarded?

>>15427752

No, you're right. The reason is that the official Microsoft drives have a hidden partition where the recompiled binaries (which they misleadingly call "emulation profiles") are stored.

>>15427757

You'd still have it.

>>15427757

people who want to customize, don't buy factory made PCs

>>15427779

Yes. You really do need an official hard drive.

>>15427787

Well fuck it, I guess I'm gonna try to find a cheap used Xbox Or hope eventually Blinx 2 makes it's way onto xbone emulation

>>15427796

I doubt it's that hard to buy an official Xbox 360 HDD, friendo.

Also, Xbox emulation never ever.

>>15427799

looks nice, I've been think about something like this

>>15427811

You'd think so but no, it's actually harder than you might think, especially for the original xbox arcade one, most of them have been gutted and fitted with new hard drives.

>>15427779

>>15427787

>>15427796

Here you go. 5 minutes on Ebay.

https://www.ebay. com/itm/XBOX-360-HARD-DRIVE-HDD-20GB-60GB-120GB-250GB-HALO-3-EDITION-TESTED-ERASED/273415572204?var=&hash=item3fa8d68aec

Someone's also selling a launch party developer edition console.

https://www.ebay. com/itm/Microsoft-XBOX-360-Launch-Party-Team-edition-with-Hard-Drive-I-made-this/302841772252?hash=item4682c6b8dc:g:poQAAOSw~K5bcGxk

>>15427752

You know, I bet there's a way by now to get that hidden partition onto any normal HDD.

Actually, wait

https://digiex. net/threads/xbox-360-partition-2-download-xbox-1-emulator.4897/

>>15427780

Very few PC gamers overall buy factory made PCs

>>15427842

because they're so fucking expensive, I'm not interested in building PCs, but I have to, because half decent factory build PC is 1.5 x parts price

>>15427867

Used/refurb ones are usually a better deal than buying new hardware.

Honestly you're better off programming your own Linux OS if you want a "living room PC" with the streamlined interface of a console. As other anons pointed out it's just better to build a PC and have a full featured OS.

Can I let you in on a secret? Every video game console since the Dreamcast is a wall-garden PC in regards to hardware architecture. The only differences is the OS software, data storage, and I/O. Original Xbox added an internal hard drive (and Saturn had internal save data to an extent). Home consoles are exactly like PCs except not customizeable.

Hardware is the simple part. If you're not looking for native 4k gaming there are very quiet CPU and GPU cooling solutions you can use. And for size there are small cases if you look around. Or you can take a shot at designing your own. I personally would like to have a Japanese square cube-style case because those are adorable. However I use PC in my room with limited space which is why I have tower. But for a living room an easy to carry not-so-bulky cube with a blu-ray player built in would be sex. As for inputs I'd use USB controllers and adapters for emulation. Keyboard and mouse for everything else. Maybe bluetooth if I'm feeling lazy and want to watch movies.

Hell, a lot of new phones at CES are coming out to have docks with HDMI out and a USB bus to play games with a controller on the TV.

The hardest part is software. And consoles have wall-garden OSes for a reason to monopolize this environment. There aren't too many good Linux distros that have a media center style PC to TV in mind. But you can pretty much get buy with a full OS on the hardware until you make your own.

Also give up on making an OS to monetize. Soon Apple and Microsoft are going to make their OSes "services" which means always online internet connections and constant paid subscriptions to use them whether streamed or not.

>>15428193

>you're better off programming your own Linux OS if you want a "living room PC" with the streamlined interface of a console.

The software end is easily solveable, if not solved already. Just get a custom themed XBMC/Kodi and tweak it a bit.

>Every video game console since the Dreamcast is a wall-garden PC in regards to hardware architecture.

No, they weren't. Power and PowerPC were the norm for many years. It's only this current generation where the two big manufacturers went with an x64 architecture. It was common wisdom until then that x64 was unsuitable for such devices.

The original Xbox, which as far as I know is the first console with an x86 architecture, was considered an outlier, and even Microsoft must have thought so, because they went to PowerPC with the Xbox 360.

>>15428233

>Or you can take a shot at designing your own.

That's what I'm doing right now, actually. Still debating whether or not to have a Blu-ray drive. I also can't seem to find a good case that has a carrying handle.

>>15428242

I don't know if we will ever go back to PowerPC architecture or if it's still viable for general consoles. Then again everything's going full retard with hardware parity that unless it's quantum x64 may be where everything's going.

Just put a fucking pc in your living room then faggot.

>>15428888

I am.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pRtsMZ

Still not sure on what wireless KB+M to go with, but otherwise I think I've got it pretty locked down.

The line between consoles and PCs has blurred to almost nothing these days. They're even using the same chipsets, and have stock HDDs. Increasingly with Steam et all, the console is merely your gateway to a subscription service where you go online to play the game, and don't own it. In this, the two are indistinguishable.

Anyway, the real reason is brand recognition and market domination. It's damn near impossible for any computer manufacturer to break into a market dominated by Playstation, Nintendo, and Microsoft because they aren't household names.

Arguably, this niche has already been filled by laptops, anyway. They're cheaper (compared to beast PCs, anyway), compact, simple, and much more portable because the KB/M and monitor and speakers are all integrated.

Finally, I'm sorry to have to tell you this, OP, but… consoles are for normalfags, and normalfags have no desire to play old games on an emulator. You're trying to expand to a market that either has no interest in what you're selling, or is perfectly fine with their PCs.

>>15429079

wow i didnt know computers were just for games

>>15427548

Problem with them is there was no real fixed price range and they quickly went full retard when I could build one for around $350-450 myself and not get jewed.

>>15429630

I've never seen soyjack as a cuckchan meme it's appeal is pretty widespread.

>>15429558

It is a pretty retarded argument, considering a number of people just keep a laptop in the living room nowadays.

>>15427199

i amazed there wasn't a commercial push for a pi-like device.

they cost near nothing to manufacture, take up almost no space, and can be specialized for garbage purposes.

for years i ran nvidia's limelight on my pi2, it no longer works on my bpi due to nvidia mostly. it was nice having my entire pc stream to something that cost me less than $20/y in electricity and also home streamed.

fuck nvidia and fuck steam for not allowing their software to be modular even if not open.

>>15429662

why would you have a laptop in the living room if you can just have everything controlled by wireless devices. seems like a bulky weight

>>15429684

Personally, because fuck typing on mobile shit. I have a combined dining and living room space so I just keep it at the table usually and push shit from there. Navigating video sites is a pain in the ass on mobile usually too. Most netbook style craptops aren't really what I'd consider bulky. I also got one cheap for the hell of it that has a removable keyboard so it's basically a tablet.

>>15429659

Sure thing

>>>/cuckchan/

>>15429662

Laptops are almost inevitably a far inferior experience. Shitty keyboard, tiny screen. Sure you can add those, but at this point you lose the laptop's only advantage, mobility.

>>15429670

What you're describing is basically the Steam Link.

Too bad it's a piece of shit that can't run NES games at full speed.

>>15430113

Plugging in any PC is only half a solution. The first problem is getting the console tards to buy said PC to begin with. For that it needs to be plug and play out of the box and cheap.

Basically, mass produce a $500 PC with everything pre-configured to just slap it on a TV and start gaming. Market it like a console, but build it so anyone not retarded can use it like a PC (though making hardware install easy is not a priority).

This serves two benefits. One, it bypasses any excuses of a PC being too hard to build or too expensive. As it is those are actually pretty valid because building a CUSTOM PC is naturally inflated in price and still a bit too manually intensive for idiots. Two, if it achives a large enough install base it creates a target for optimization and bugtesting. The PC market being "anything goes" is part of the reason why those two things are a lost art.

>>15430163

Steam tried this and completely dropped the ball.

Steam Machines were a good start but the games had barely any compatibility. Steam is just doing now what they should have done in the first place: using WINE to increase the list of compatible games.

When SteamOS has a high compatibility list, a large number of playable AAA titles, all in an easy to use interface, then they're in a position to compete with consoles.

Side note: Another thing is how well controller pairing works, but since we're talking about the average PC gamer, they probably don't care how well their Xbox One or Dualshock controller will work with a Steam Machine and would rather buy a Steam Controller.

>>15430163

You're just talking about a console then. These already exist.

>>15430163

The problem is once again the cost. Consoles are already sold with a loss but Sony / Microsoft can still make up for it by monetizing the online component and getting a portion of revenue from every game sold on their machines. Then they invest those funds into the next generation of consoles and signing exclusive deals with certain developers. It's an already established market. You would either have to have some cool gimmick to attract the customers and justify the higher price tag or sell your product for way less. However, the more gutted your PC console wannabe will be, the more it will resemble actual consoles simply because you would have to cut corners on hardware whenever you can just to stay competative. Normalfag won't buy 600-700$ home entertainment system when they can get a console for half of that price. If you go down below 200-300$ yourself, then most likely you will sell a product inferior to consoles when it comes to power and performance.

>>15430286

Literally just a console that runs PC games, yes.

>>15430417

$500 is common enough for launch price. We're mostly competing with Sony here, not Nintendo. In theory it would be a company like Valve or possibly Microsoft (in lieu of a new xbox) producing the thing, so the concept of profiting off the games is already feasible. Yes those companies are scum but we're being realistic here.

Yes, even without locking down the system to ONLY buy games off steam, Valve would stand to make a profit from this thing selling it at a loss. Most games are bought through steam, most people buying the "console" would be buying games for it (through steam), and just being non-exclusive doesn't mean the system can't be heavily oriented towards a specific storefront.

>>15430417

>If you go down below 200-300$

But the current "high end" consoles sell for $400. You can easily get yourself a PC in that price range and get similar performance.

>>15430492

The only possible candidate to pull off scheme like that is Valve but I'm not entirely sure I want Gaben to have even more sway over PC-gaming. Their dominance was already bad enough and their own console-lookalike would give them even more power. Even today games on Steam are rented with a specific licence, but customers do not own any property right on it. Moreover, The PC has always been an open platform on which it is easy to distribute games. On their own machine Steam will become a de facto monopoly even more than it already is today. Valve decides which games you can can see. A bit too competitive to Half-Life? No distribution. Gaben doesn't like Match-3 games? No distribution. Not politically correct enough? No distribution. Retailers won’t work with indies: it’s not worth their while and, more importantly, indies don’t give them marketing support. Valve is in a position to say “your game won’t sell without us. We want a bigger cut, or upfront marketing commitment, or some form of guarantee.” Valve already is at the forefront of paid mods, micro transactions, and DRM. Their own console over time will most likely drift into even more anti-consumer direction.

>>15430538

You can buy PS4 for around 300$. Even if you build a PC with similar performance for an equal amount of money you still have to compete with giants like Sony and Microsoft. They already control the market. You will either have to be radically cheaper or do something significantly better to sway normalfags in your favour. Brand loyalty is a powerful thing and both Sony and Microsoft has be in the game for a quite a while now and they do have a large following. Your fresh new product is untested and the competition provides a console with similar performance for a similar price that everyone is already familiar with.

>>15430600

You mean the basic model? I was talking about PS4 Pro / XBOne X. But just as well, you can get a solid PC for a similar price. Let's see: $150 for a refurb early i5, $150 for a GTX 1050, done, have fun.

That idea seems good until you consider the pattern that consoles can achieve what midrange PCs can do at half the price thanks to hardware uniformity which lead to easier optimizations of game softwares on them.

Would the normalfags pay twice the price of a console to get the benefits of a PC?

>>15431359

You are seriously overestimating the optimizations that go into modern console games and underestimating what could be optimized for the "console PC", which would accomplish the same hardware uniformity at least for a low end reference point.

The PS2 was one

>>15430163

>Basically, mass produce a $500 PC with everything pre-configured to just slap it on a TV and start gaming.

They already exist.

Every electronics store and even Aldi have those every year, they are called pre built pcs.

They can/could play anything new for your aforementioned half decade, or even longer depending on games.

My GTX 9800, Yorkfield Q9 with 4GB of DDR1 Ram plays anything I want to play and even my later bought Notebook with a GT 555M with an i7-2630QM and 16GB Ram at the same pricepoint only lost its ability to play "modern games" when Darksouls 3 came out.

With the Notebook/Laptop the formfactor is smaller than a blue ray player.

Both are in use and I do not plan to buy a new one any time soon.

>>15431384

You would be right if you weren't so fucking wrong, but good try anyway. If you don't understand the gulf in performance, quality, and hardware between the platforms and how any sort of parity is struck between the platforms I should only need to remind you that consoles are running one of AMDs worst chips, running a notebook GPU, and they still hit PC medium settings at 1080p usually targeting 30 FPS. Battlefield Vagina will run at a mix of medium/low and will still be 1080p at least on stock PS4 and will still run at least at 30fps unlike the PC version on a several generations newer and better Ryzen 2200G on low at 720p.

>>15430284

i have nothing against steam machines, but the steam client itself is just too bulky.

if they allowed use of just the streaming software on the device being streamed to it would have been a lot better.

controller pairing should be fine on any device these days. it used to be a hassle when you had to record the dinput values and enter them yourself but now that's automatic for every device i've tried. there's the odd game that won't support anything besides xinput but steam's big picture mode is fine for that (or x360ce or just manually setting up a controller profile).

>>15431451

in my basement, obviously

Reported for console war faggotry.

Fuck you, OP.

>>15427199

Because a consumer buys a PC for the other utilities it offers, not just playing games.