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It looks really generic honestly

The only thing I've seen that even comes close to make it halfway decent are the dodge mechanics that seem broken as all hell.

>>15418072

>larp sticks

I chuckled

>>15418072

probably "muh energy" or some shit I don't know, I was talking about how the weapons in The Surge are stupid.

>>15418079

The surge has one of the worst designs ever, scrapyard future or something, but this one isn't realistic as you said.

The animations and combat look very stiff. This just isn't clicking with me.

>>15418103

>Fextralife

>Playing a nigger

>xbone

good god, its like you went out of your way to find one of the worst examples of footage. The run/walk anims look like something you need to get used to, though, and I like how it combines meme-dodge with gunplay, I can see how it'll really become shmup bullet-hell like Neir; Automata in some situations.

>>15418088

It has real weapons, like guns, which The Surge just didn't have lol "Look, goy, you don't need guns to survive in the post-apocalyptic wasteland we will usher in to destroy life itself and achieve immortality."

Looks like utter shit. I don't think I've seen a shooter with gameplay this stilted and boring. Reminds me a lot of 7th gen's disposable western trash like dark sector.

>>15418153

>shooter

Well thats your problem right there. You're expecting some amazing AAA super-budget (((cinematic))) experience where you have your buddies chattering about how his wife got raped and killed by the badies etc. and big explosions happen every level where the camera is locked and zoomed in on it so you can take in every juicy detail of the fireball.

Battlecripple: Vagina seems to be more your speed. >>15416689 Feel free to make your own thread, though, seems to be the disgusting crossposter trend.

>>15418172

>You're expecting some amazing AAA super-budget (((cinematic))) experience

no I'm expecting something good with actual movement and not this janky looking shit. You're terrible at shilling.

>>15418180

Well, at least you waited until you made your second shit post before calling me a shill for daring to make an OP to discuss a game.

>jank is bad

Mr. Vidya connoisseur here, this game is not suited for his refined palate. Bring him another. You don't have a reason to be in this thread anymore now that you've shat out your opinion, begone.

>>15418194

I'm calling you a shill for your blatant shilling, crying about some popular mainstream trash and making a thread about this utter shit.

>>15418205

>complaining about autism on 8chan

confirmed shill

>shitting up your own thread

confirmed retard

>>15418012

I saw that auto aim. It clipped onto the enemy when it got close, was this game made for consoles?

>>15418219

You can disable auto-aim, it honestly probably was. Its more about dodging as per the dark-souls meme than about aiming properly, because its more action-RPG than shooter.

>>15418050

Can't believe I actually miss 2007

>>15418219

>was this game made for consoles?

Yes

This looks like a lone Imperial Guard murdering hundreds of Necrons.

It reminds me of trying Bow builds on Dark Souls and realizing that bows are fucking awfull and non-viable. Does this game do the same? Can I just use reall big fucking guns, or do I need to pull the lightsaber shit to actually do damage?

Well, I saw more of the trailers.

Really like the artstyle, I'll pirate for that alone.

I'm seeing too much reliance on glowsticks, and there's some strange slow-mo thing going on.

>>15418079

>>15418088

>>15418140

The Surge was set in a factory, hence no guns. This is why you don't deserve games with creative design. Because you start crying about muh realism right out of the gate instead of appreciating some cool designs. Journos knocked LOTF for being rip-off Souls (mostly true) so they branched out and created a unique and varied industrial aesthetic. Then the journos and soulscucks got mad that it wasn't a fantasy game and that the levels were "too samey". There is no way to win (unless you are FROM, then you can make some casualised Activision shit with a samurai skin and everyone will beg for it).

>>15418264

It's built around shooting, it's all guns. The melee is sort of a last resort panic button. I'm guessing there is a build for melee through, just like how bloodtinge made firearms viable in Bloodborne even though it's not as accessible as a STR or SKL build.

>>15418298

>LOTF

Oh shit, I forgot, someone gifted a serial for that with all DLC and shit. I heard it's all SWORDS SWORDS SWORDS and there's no Magick. Is it true?

>The Surge

If you ask my opinion, there's two things that played against that game: the enemies aren't that iconic (from gameplay trailers and wahtnot) and don't seem like a threat, hence they don't draw in people to try the game.

The bosses might have done it, but the marketing material show'd little of them and what little was shown… was vastly overshadowed by Nier: Automata. If you were shopping from a game back then, you'd see two options on the market. The Surge, a series don't know (or know as a sucessor to LOTF which doesn't strike confidence) or Nier, a series that's well known and has 2B's butt.

The choice was clear.

One question: do you play as a nigger in this game?

>>15418322

> and there's no Magick.

You get a bang-shooty arm cannon thing, but that's about it as far as I played.

>>15418322

>Oh shit, I forgot, someone gifted a serial for that with all DLC and shit. I heard it's all SWORDS SWORDS SWORDS and there's no Magick. Is it true?

It has magic. Biggest problem is the artstyle is some WoW huge pauldrons type shit. Everything is chunky and generic.

>>15418322

>If you ask my opinion, there's two things that played against that game: the enemies aren't that iconic (from gameplay trailers and wahtnot) and don't seem like a threat, hence they don't draw in people to try the game.

Yup. Trailers only showed the first half of the game really. Late game has nano-machines and terminators and all sorts of crazy shit. But it's a fairly short game so showing all that would spoil everything.

>>15418298

I've always really liked The Surge's art direction, the setting is very unique.

>>15418050

>that snatch stab

Ouch!

>20+ gb

>soulslike

i hope this shit is actually good as i'm slowly pirating it now

>>15418970

There's something fundamentally wrong with just using a range build in this game with guns.

Torrenting it now but my connection is shit so I won't be able to play until tomorrow.

I'm going to go with the closest thing to a battle rifle I can find. Semi auto, high damage, medium range is my preferred style of gun. Hope I don't get forced into using some sort of sniper rifle instead. I hate when there's no BR equivalent.

>>15421522

Pick class with the lowest insight.

Insight is a fucking meme and a waste of points.

>>15421597

What's it do?

>>15418012

>Just dropped today,

Meaning you gave up on it? "Oh yeah, I was playing that game, but it was not fun, so I dropped it."

>>15418108

Here you go.

https://exhentai.org/g/1014140/fd4bb691e2/

So has anyone actually played it? I'm bored as fuck and a breakdown from someone who isn't a marketer would be great. Literally all I've heard is

>It's janky as fuck

>there are guns

>>15421902

Prtty much this >>15418970

It's janky indie dark souls clone with guns and shitty graphics hidden by huge amount of post processing. And by dark souls I mean stamina bar, shitton of stats with only one to raise per level, losing your exp on death and needing to pick it up, enemies dealing shitton of damage but being slow and predictable etc etc.

You can't block or parry, but you can see enemies' own stamina like in Nioh so it all boils down to figuring how to stunlock new enemy type.

There is next to no dress up, no online component, no melee combos or even different weapons, everything is just dual dildo doing one single swinging animation.

The only selling point is the setting and the atmosphere of some post-human space horror where you have no idea what the fuck is going on.

But since E.Y.E already did that, and did that much better, I don't think you can really sell it just for that.

From what I've seen it looks like it boils down to a shoot-them-in-the-ass gimmick with not much variety. Kind of just comes off as a slow ass TPS with bullet spongey enemies.

>>15421970

> shoot-them-in-the-ass gimmick

It's shoot-their-arms-off-so-they-can't-shoot-you gimmick but yeah, it's fucking slow.

>>15421978

It has more than the circle-behind-shoot-glowy thing going on? If so, that's a bit more interesting if there's some variety to weak points.

>>15422003

You can shoot off arms to disable enemies' corresponding attacks. If you shoot both arms off enemies will try to kick your ass literally.

Shooting in the legs makes them lose stamina faster, but you can't actually shoot legs off while enemy is still alive. But if you kill them by shooting legs, they will fly off just like upper limbs.

Shooting in the face does good ol higher damage than on average.

I don't think it applies to bosses though.

It could be an ok game if the central point of it was dismembering enemies like in Dead Space but right now it's mostly shooting them in the head / running around them and putting a couple of bullets in their glowing weak spots on their backs. Also, the environments are very repetitive. Everything is gray and the plot is obtrusive enough to be boring. I would rate it 5/10 but overall it sadly is a wasted potential.

>>15421970

>>15421978

>>15422019

Whether or not you use the lock on feature will drastically change how you play. If you rely on locking on, where you don't have to aim and can focus on dodging, your strategy will likely be to attack the yellow-glowing parts, usually on their backs, to do the most damage. If you free-aim instead, you go for headshots and the whole dynamic changes.

>>15422144

>it sadly is a wasted potential.

Unfortunately I have to agree. I spent an hour playing before I realized I would have to force myself if I wanted to see it to the end.

>>15418012

Fuck off shill.

>>15423443

Its not that much better but at least the combat works.

Everything is extremely bullet spongey. The first assault rifle I got had a 21 round mag and fired in 3 round bursts. It took about 2 mags to down a basic AR enemy, and it only carried 9 or 10 mags.

It looks horrible. Graphically it's not that bad, looks like a console port and seems to run pretty well, but it's easy to get lost because everything looks the same. Everything is grey and green so far, and the environments are claustrophobic. Things have glowing bright weak spots, but since it's impossible to flank them you just fire bursts, missing 1-2 of the 3 rounds due to recoil, into their head or center mass. You can upgrade weapons and it seems to do nothing but flat damage bonuses. There seem to be two ranged weapon scaling schemes. One is called "Common weapon scaling" and the other "Special weapon scaling". The AR I got had 35% of each. A state gave a percentage for each. Does that mean I get 35% of the 20% bonus I get from the stat? I don't know.

Also there's estus flask clones but they take a long time to use (with a stat reducing the time I think), and you also get a grenade that is refilled on bonfires. I literally can't remember the game's name for bonfires, but they're bonfires. The AR is literally an AR-15 with a silly looking thing glued to the top of it and green spraypaint, which made me laugh since the aesthetic is comical space fantasy. The first boss was more bullet spongey than usual and took me 6-8 tries because the timing of dodges felt very strange. He would charge me and if you waited until he was close he'd catch you somehow, but if you dodged as soon as he started charging you'd get away, sort of the opposite of dark souls. There are alternate fire modes for weapons that seem to be assigned randomly because a pistol caused me to spit freezing gas at dudes, an AR just fired a 6 round burst that did double damage, and a shotgun fired a grenade.

There's my stream of consciousness for the first hour or so. I may play some tomorrow. The combat is miles ahead of Elex, but it's still pretty bad.

>>15423692

First boss was just "wait, then dodge his charge and shoot him in the back". Felt like a long boss fight from Crash Bandicoot.

>>15423712

You only had 2-3 seconds tops after dodging, a lot of which would be taken up by the animation, to hit the glowing spot. I never even got a full burst to hit it. Since he took so long between charges I just mag dumped him as much as possible. I would do like 6 damage with a normal hit and like 40 with a weak spot hit, so a mag would do more damage than a cycle of dodging and weak spots.

>>15418194

Jank is bad. The only games that are able to get away with jank are eurojank games made before 2010.

>>15418298

Lords of the Fallen was literal trash, and so was The Surge.

Both are incredibly janky and have garbage-tier animations.

>>15423692

>>15423720

The weak points are hard to get at because instead of moving normally enemies will literally pivot towards to face you. If you can't cope with that you can try to lower their stamina bar to try and stun them to get behind, but the window of opportunity even then is ridiculously small. Its like the developer saw elements of Dark souls and Nioh along with GoW-clone shooters and tried to reproduce them without really understanding the true depth of how those games work with what they have.

I was also suprised with how much your initial class-choice matters. It determines what your melee weapon will be, what your armor will look like, since "armor" in this game are just defensive buffs that progressively put more layers of armor on your character, and what gun you get in the first level. Besides raising your statistics and finding consumables, you have to upgrade your weapon quality and find passive bonuses from "shrines" in the world so exploration is a must, which wouldn't be so bad if everything didn't look so samey and just a clusterfuck of geometry laid over itself to make it look like a cohesive level.

>>15423755

Don't be such a newfag. Spiderman released on the same day and for all its fault I'd rather play this.

>>15423769

I have been here since the first exodus, but thanks anyways. I still stand by what I said.

Also, the good Spiderman games were only decent for traversing an open world via web.

>>15423720

I went with the high agility class (forgot its name), with starting SMG and pistol. Easy to dodge this way, and the guns were accurate enough to put a burst, but he gets back up fast.

It didn't feel like there was a use in reducing his stamina bar, it needed to much ammo imo, Tried it a bit too much, and I was down to my last pistol mag when I finally got him.

The combat is really bad, I'd say. It's like they really wanted to make a Dark Souls with guns, but the guns can't reach 40 meters, shoot the ceiling when you fire more than 3 bullets, but don't do damage that justifies this much recoil, stunning/disarming/dismembering the enemy felt useless and ammo consuming because they were already on the brink of death when it ever happens, it just feels tedious overall, it needs to have more oompf and to not let most of the gameplay mechanics go to waste.

It's unfortunate that it seems the game has potential but the devs are too lacking in skill and direction to make it work.

I do hope they pull a Slain and a future update/expansion makes it a great game, because Dark Souls with guns seems like a decent idea if only for the novelty.

>>15423907

The shootan is fine, its just that the level design and enemy placement fail to really take advantage of it to set a good pace. Nioh is dark souls but if you're skilled it gets really, really fast. I'm thinking I don't take enough advantage of the alt-fire modes but it could also be that the game is just plain unpolished.

>>15423907

The idea that I have is that it's you vs shit that can tank bullets, monsters, mechs, you name it. The big cornerstone should be the movement and how the fights go. In my opinion it should be deliberate, but not slow. Your character should be able to go from one position to another quickly and without much hassle or scripting, like a lot of cover based TPSs, from lunging into a dive into rolling into a crouch into jumping, vaulting over ledges, etc. The whole ordeal should be similar to a dance where you're simultaneously attacking and dodging, and enemies and bosses should be similar to Ys where you're being constantly bombarded by attacks and the way to go should be finding a way to disengage( which would require excellent level design that allows for multiple routes) or finding an opening.

I don't know, I guess the whole idea of a TPS with loot, equipment, stats, classes and so on interests me since so little in the TPS category does anymore.

>>15423907

I envision it as an extremely detailed, tactical shooter with the basic gameplay similar to Tarkov or Insurgency, except in a fantasy world. Maybe a GATE scenario, except there's only one guy. Enemies pretty much don't have guns, but they do have magic and primitive ranged weapons.

An example of how this would work would be something like creeping through some ruins and seeing a mage guarded by two golems and a knight. The golems basically ignore bullets, the mage will likely die to one shot if you catch him off-guard, but can probably raise a shield if you miss, and the knight can tank a few hits. Choosing when to engage them and in what order would be the main source of depth here.

I don't really think that RPG style guns (so bullet spongey enemies and one gun doing 40 times the damage of another) could really work that well.

>>15423925

It sounds like a good basis would be Lost Planet 2.

>>15423961

Can't say I've played it. Wanted to play the first but my PC started shitting itself recently with any remotely demanding game.

>>15424018

Get a 7th gen console and mod it, right now is the best time since the security on all 7th gen consoles are long gone but the hardware isn't scarce yet. PS3's have a cutoff for which models are ideal for hacking, but xbox360s are the same all the way through.

>>15418072

>that arm

that's not how muscles look

>>15421943

It’s thanks to fags like you why it’s so hard to actually talk about vidya on /v/

>>15426125

Too bad it's boring as shit.

>>15421943

>actual videogame thread

>magnet provided

<le shill XD

let's have a lol thread instead fellow /videogamer/

>>15426125

>>15426139

I spent four hours on it, its kinda shit but not irredeemably so. My experience is in line with >>15424606 >>15418012

>>15425635

<PAL

Seems neat. I'm gonna try it because of the tone. Even if it's subpar I would be fine the high (for an indie) price if the content flowed freely, but seeing as fuckers like to jew and sell small, equally overpriced dlcs I'll just wait for a sale on the complete edition, if I haven't lost interest at that point. Jew practices are far more dangerous to game sales than piracy it seems.

>>15429140

>is the gunplay good tho?

It's stiff but powerful, like a rusty cannon.

>>15429096

snu snu motherfucker

People are saying the gameplay is stiff. I don't think it's THAT stiff. The movement/animation is smooth enough for you to dodge bullets and the shooting feels fine, guns could do with a bit more "oomph". Fighting against more than 2 enemies at a time can get pretty crazy, maybe I'm underleveled for the area I am atm because everything does so much damage to me holy shit.

It's a neat Souls like, I'm liking it a lot more than The Surge. It's challenging, it's decently fast paced and the setting is cool. I'm glad I bothered pirating, so far.

>>15430100

Don't run forward otherwise you'll spawn more of those if you hit their spawn triggers.

>>15430100

Nothing personnel, kid.

>>15429140

That's cause humans are the niggers of this setting Just like dark souls.

Also some of the big enemies have Dark Souls 2 Trademark spin to win bullshit going for them, especially noticeable with dudes with huge shields. They track and spin like motherfuckers.

>let's add artificial difficulty to a shooter

>these deadly guns now deal the damage of a nerf shooter

Another RPG reject who doesn't understand the fun in wielding an instrument of death.

>>15430414

Tell that to division.

>some dude in hoodie

>eats lead into the head for 15 minutes before dying

Here you at least fight some armored monsters and zombies.

>>15430385

Just gotta keep in mind that the game is supposed to be played using guns, hugging/staying too close to some of the enemies can be pretty bad. I kept going for melee hits whenever I could but they are so slow and consume so much stamina that they are only good for finishing enemies with low health.

>>15430467

It's called bad game design.

Shields and weakspots on backs combined with tracking imply you should get up close and circle enemies, but your shitty melee means that it's just better to shoot them at point blank anyway.

>>15429096

Character creation is a goddamn mess, making a "Female" is hard when every combination will still result in too much testosterone. Swedestani devs, not even once.

>>15430100

Story has a lot to be desired, but I can let it slide because this devs first solo endeavor game, but still 50/50 on the gunplay.

>>15430467

Currently trying a melee build, still is kinda off, can't describe it, but seems badly implemented in some mobs and bosses.

>>15430494

Haven't played enough to get 100% used to the melee, it feels way too clunky, maybe if there's something that increases attack speed but I think even that wouldn't help much in a build.

>>15430487

In the end it's just the old Souls formula, bait an attack and hit them. Not much to think about.

>>15429144

This guy is lying to the point where he must be fucking with you.

Guns feel like slightly underpowered NERF

>>15430537

Gonna have to withstand the tedium and sometimes unfair bullshit so I can get a final verdict on the game's melee combat.

>>15430540

Maybe it's the Soulsbourne formula, but there isn't much recoil and power in a lot of the guns. the "It's Dark Souls with Guns!" shilling of this game was annoying enough when the guns don't mesh well with the melee.

So is this Dark Souls with guns? Or is this a shitty Gears of War clone?

>>15431021

It's neither. It's just a bizarrely bad TPS. No cover mechanic at least.

>>15431226

That looks fucking terrible, between the bootleg Fleshpound doing barely any damage, and your character not even flinching when he gets whacked by it.

>>15431235

I think you flinch if you get hit but you can raise your toughness stat to not flinch

>You were the one with the knife

>this isn't actually you

>when the robot guy mentions an otherworldly presence it actually IS

>this guy fucking ripped his three hearts out? to create the 3 beasts

>this guy is also from ANOTHER UNIVERSE which explains why the oracles couldn't see your actions

>this guy is self-aware he was controlled by YOU

>the game ends with this nigger turning the screen to black

epic 4th wall breaking meme ending and storytelling

>>15433251

>we want nier audience

>>15435924

The whole game is just a smorgasmaborg of other peoples' ideas. Even the undead legion smacks of The Chronicles of Riddicks' necromongers.

How is this game even? It seems like an even worse version of the surge but with guns. IS the surge even good with that new dlc?

>>15441894

I think immortal is better than surge, but that doesn't say much as surge is cosmic fucking trash.

This one is something you'd expect from a noname devs on a ps3 (which it actually is). Give it a pirate, but don't expect much.

Pirated this, played for 2 hours.

Well, I'm glad we can all move on now that we've established that "Dark Souls with Guns" does not work.

>>15445926

I don't think "dark souls with guns" is the reason why this game is shit at all.

>>15445933

No, it's the general jankiness, same as Lords of the Fallen. It's touted as "DS with gunz" though.

>>15445926

Speak for yourself. The guns and how they work isn't the weak point.

This game is trash, and let me tell you why in detail.

It starts with the character design. I can overlook that by itself, but it's the first strike here. Both male and ESPECIALLY female characters seem made to be deliberately ugly, and customization is limited to a degree that you can't even hide it. Minor complaint overall, but the first thing to notice.

The second is the story. It's fucking dull. This might well be the first game I've ever played where even I have struggled to even pay attention to the expodump. Some undead menace is destroying the universe and you are a badguy hero set loose to fix it and I don't fucking care. It's probably more in the delivery than the story itself, but it sucks.

Easily the worst part of course is the gameplay. It's an extremely slow shooter CLEARLY developed for consoles. I don't really care that its slow, unlike most people here I enjoy a slow paced game, but the shooting is just ass from both sides. It technically works, but all I can say is it feels like shit and the console influence shows. Also because this is Dark Souls the TPS, there's a lock on button, that's all I gotta say.

Level design is so bad I could probably break it into two points. First, it's visually indistinct. Navigating is a chore because it's impossible to see where you're going, where you've been and even what the fucking doors look like. The hazard design is even worse. I hope you enjoy practically invisible, completely undodgable traps. You can avoid them if you see them, but unlike Dark Souls there's no getting out of the way once you hear the "click". Very trial and error. Most of them aren't instant-kill but they will if your health is low.

Enemy design is worse than The Surge. I didn't personally think The Surge was that bad on this front, but it was a common complaint. This game lacks anything equivalent to the non-bipedal mechanical enemies. It's all dude with gun and/or dude with armor/melee. Maybe there's something to change it up late game, but this seems like a thematic choice.

>>15448703

>Penis

If you can call it that. It looks like it's been whittled down by a sand blaster.

>>15454938

>lock on in TPS is bad

You've clearly never played Megaman Legends. It works here as an alternative to free-aiming, which has its own advantages, and to let you focus on dodging. Every other criticism is fair, especially about the lack of customization which is vital in this sort of genre and the female characters look like the males with a few body part ratio adjustments and a chestwrap.

>>15455027

Megaman legends is a console game, that only really proves my point.

>>15454938

Could you stop fucking redit spacing?

>>15423443

Combat maybe a little better but there's zero content in there unlike ELEX.

Also it's too hard on i wanna be souls so expect 4 headshots with sniper rifle to kill some random bitch ass nigga.

It's pure anti-fun and bugs too.

>>15455221

It's ultra fun compared to elex's boredom festival.

>>15448446

>Barely any ammo for certain guns

>Clunky-as-fuck unresponsive controls

>RNG guns that always end up feeling like shit

Yea, no.

>>15464142

I dropped the game. Maybe I'll get back to it someday.

>>15464188

You didn't even beat it?

Ending is pretty cool, though it was already spoilered itt.

>>15464224

Its a shamalayn-tier bullshit twist. The Bureau: X-com declassified did the same thing. Dark Souls had a decent twist which was that the world as it exists is just to fetter humanity as servants of the gods and keep them from taking the ascendance.

>>15455168

Every paragraph except the first which serves to introduce the post wraps to at least two lines and discusses a different topic in the game. The post is formatted exactly how it should be, your meme spacing meme is stupid.

>>15430414

Sniper rifles do good damage (you can one shot most enemies), but you only get 12 shots, two at a time and it takes over 4 seconds to reload. Shotguns are OKish. Every other weapon seems to be absolute trash, maybe I just don't know how to use them?

>1 weapon type is good for the entire game

>1 is ok, but not as good as previous one

>the rest is trash and might as well not exist

Sounds like Dark Souls alright.