/v/ - Video Games

How the mighty have fallen. Thanks to mismanagement and listening to goons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3LKmjft5TE

>EVE Online…the Best PVP MMO You Won't Play

(Not embedded because I heard it allows Google to datamine)

Comment highlights:

>Im not in love with EVE Online but in love with the IDEA of EVE Online

>Every time I see someone talking about EVE makes me want to install it. Then I do, and then I got reminded why I uninstalled it at the first place, not only it is super complex, but you don't just need allocate some time to learn it, you kinda have to commit most of your free time just to actually start going somewhere in this game.

>>15412422

Embed invidious then, you cuckold.

>>15412398

Wonder how their investments towards "Expanding" the EVEverse towards a shitty FPS game and shitty VR space flight simulator damaged their bottomline.

>>15412457

I was thinking that the World of Darkness MMORPG thing was their biggest blunder.

>>15412461

Almost forgot about that, they really are shitty with their money and management. Wonder if their Goon Shekels dried up.

>>15412484

I think they already sold that away a while ago.

>>15412398

BASED Hilmar. Not content to merely be the cancer that has always kept EVE from greatness, he's decided to cause EVE's death outright. You can't deny the Chadness of that.

>>15412457

Every attempt to branch out has been a financial disaster, but of all of them I suspect Valkyrie was the worst. VR development has got to be particularly expensive, and it was looking like one of the highest-effort VR games produced. Then they made essentially nothing back on it.

I wonder just how tiny of a fraction of EVE's profits have actually gone back into EVE.

>>15412495

>I wonder just how tiny of a fraction of EVE's profits have actually gone back into EVE.

Considering the low effort development EVE got in the past 5 or so years, I'd say not a fucking cent.

How do you fuck up EVE

It has what, a couple hundred thousand subscribers?

That's $3 million per month for doing basically nothing. Just keep bugfixing and if something comes up as retardedly over or underpowered tweak some numbers. How do you fuck that up?

Also it doesn't help that they have to maintain 15 year-old code base with many/most/all people who originally designed it having left the company.

>>15412536

One amazing idea they had was to purposely release OP shit then nerf it later that way they got two patches of content out of it.

That's pretty clever anon. Something most of these faggots are only now catching on to.

>>15412427

>he expect scam citizen to come out

why do anons here shill this guy again?

It's both depressing and deserved at the same time. Depressing because I guess I'll never play EVE again, since it's never getting un-fucked, and deserved because Hilmar is an absolute nigger and CCP hasn't made a single correct decision in around seven years.

>>15412536

The people who take management are complete fucking idiots. They probably thought "we don't wanna be the xerox of video games, let's piss away all our cash on shit people don't care about". Wow, a shooter exclusive to the worst platform for that kind of game. A VR game which was a good idea at the start but they kept pumping money into it when vr sales were decreasing. All while ignoring their only money maker, it only endured over a decade, so it's clearly going to collapse in a moment and they have to diversify NOW.

>>15412457

They could have made a Planetside-esque version of the game and have EVE fleets support the armies in each planet by dropping in supplies, soldiers, bombardment, etc. You could easily have the EVE experience for anyone that only wanted to pilot ships with the Planetside experience for anyone that just wants to drop down and shoot things, all in one game.

>VR space flight simulator

I think they forgot that Elite Dangerous was a thing and when it comes to autistic detail for spaceflight sim, ED is far better than anything they can make. It was a fools project even before they started working on it.

>>15412461

I honestly have no idea how they fucked that up or why they wouldn't just work even more on that. The faggots that play nuWoD are basically whales in several ways, the kind of player that will spend a fortune on cosmetics and do marketing for you by posting his retarded OC character everywhere.

It was basically a money-making machine for them.

>>15412533

>hooktube

Hooktube's useless my friend, he got shoah'd by Google and now it's just regular Youtube embeds.

>>15412659

They already have lootbox like mechanics.

>>15412675

just look at star trek online, imagine the worst jew mechanics of that merged with eve.

new ships, with "Premium" skills to unlock them, which you still have to spend 6 months training. but don't worry goy, you can by skill booster packs for $1.99. Then you'll have premium ships with those premium skills, that cost $30 each, but don't worry goy, you can get a deal if you by packs of 5-6 premium ships for $180.

>>15412679

Reminds me of Planetside 2. I swear you can't take a single screenshot of that game without a GUI element somewhere about spending more money. It's in the main menu, the loadout menu, the server browser and even when you're just walking and shooting around, there's some tiny button on the corner flashing and reminding you that you're missing something you could pay real money to obtain.

I've come to feel less hatred towards the subscription model of payment since, at least when you start the game there's no more prompts about paying for shit.

>>15412641

Dust was such an absolute trainwreck. I still can't believe that game existed as it did. "Hey remember that MMOFPS on PS3?" "You mean the one that absolutely nobody fucking played and was only touted by Sonyggers to make their console seem cooler?" "Yeah let's make another one of those."

>>15412687

gone are the days where you pay for a game and god forbid, get the fucking game. there will never be another MMO where you pay the subscription and get the game either. Eve was the last holdout.

HA!

>>15412700

No MMO has ever topped Guild Wars. Buy the game, get the fucking game. Forever. No subscriptions, no microtransactions (at least not until the very end), just the game.

REST IN PISS SOMETHING AWFUL FAGGOTS

I feel like there's a lot of history with this game judging by how you anons are reacting to it.

Did it go the same way Runescape did when they started listening to those few whiny faggots who could clear through everything in the game?

>>15412708

Not an MMOG, it was a diablo clone. It was literally a chat room where you can talk and start games just like bnet but with a "city" backdrop, and an 8 player max little action rpg game that you could start from that chat room.

>>15412670

Seriously? Since when? I'll have to use invidious only from now then.

>>15412816

It has been awhile, but there was a change that basically took away the purpose behind Hooktube. Sucks, because it was a way to see videos that got removed.

>>15412398

I hope they run it into the fucking ground after CCP killed Project Vaulderie.

It's retarded how EVE ties skills to time. You can never be good as someone who has played longer. I know they use this system because it forces you to keep subscribing every month.

>>15412821

Fucking gay, is invidious actually good? I have yet to use it.

>>15412834

That's what pissed me off about it too, that and the pay to have fun sort of scheme

>oh cool an awesome looking ship with huge mining capabilities I like mining

>pay us your entire life savings to have this for a month :DDDDD

It's great you can buy premium with ingame money but it's like a million or billion? So you'd have to spend fucking months to get a month of time which you'd just end up getting bored of because you've already spent months playing it.

I've never seen a company as retarded as them honestly.

They had a constant stream of revenue from autistic goons, they had the talent and they only produced fucking garbage and made a shitton of bad decisions.

>>15412834

You can easily get as good as possible at specifics within a month or two, other than capitals and supercapitals.

>>15412851

PLEX is insanely overpriced ingame and has only been climbing since people usually run two or more alt accounts purely to AFK rat and make tons of money with no effort.

It will be 100% Pay to Win in 3 weeks

>>15412868

You're new as shit, lurk for 2 years

>>15412852

It's seriously all Hilmar's fault. Read CCP glassdoor submissions, they all talk about an office culture of asskissing over merit among employees. CCP had plenty of passionate players join the dev team, they just weren't allowed to get anything done because their ambition wasn't sucking shit out of Hilmar's ass to rise within the company.

He's also behind letting EVE go fuck itself for content since most of the autists will tolerate it while the revenue is pumped into failed business scheme after failed business scheme.

And when one of those business schemes fail, he fires all the staff hired/allocated to it as well as an arbitrary number of unrelated EVE employees for (((reasons))).

>>15412834

That's a common misconception with EVE's skills. They don't make you "better" as much as they give you more options in how to play. A lot of skills you can get to lvl 3 in a day or less, getting to 5 takes a week or two but the actual stat difference is minimal. You're mainly fulfilling gear requirements and those are usually 3.

Choose somewhere to specialize (or have your corp choose where for you) and you'll be a valuable member within a month.

>>15412876

>minimal

The difference between 3 and 5 is usually 10%. 10% difference in all relevant stats isn't minimal, especially when they often multiply with other stats (which lack that 10%) in several different ways.

>>15412852

Jesus H. Christ, who listens to this shit and says "yep, that's the game for me"?

EVE already has some infamy as the "you don't matter for anyone or anything :DDD" game where your impact in the world is ridiculously minimal since everything is in the hands of a few powerfull players and their corps.

Now you're gonna tell me said players are autistic power-hungry faggots that think they are hotshit and dictate rules to other people PLAYING VIDEOGAMES with them? And they didn't expect the community to stagnate and die like this?

It's just undeniable proof that CCP is jewish as fuck. Short term gains at the cost of longer term gains since they don't think long-term at all.

Sustain and foster the autistic power-hungry fanbase you have now since they are the ones feeding you shekels, without worrying that nobody else is ever joining your game in the future.

It's incredible how they made what was supposed to be a source of entertainment into an actual job. Except, you're not paid to do it, you PAY to do it.

And it comes with all the downsides of a job as well: having to stay up several hours every day, enduring drama and bullshit from your co-workers, competition with other corps and even withing your own corporate ladder, etc.

Or maybe that's why they tried Dust and Valkyrie. They knew they'd lose their playerbase eventually, that the game would stagnate and die and so they cast their net and tried someething different where said playerbase wouldn't go into and maybe even atract new fans onto EVE itself.

Too bad that, because of their jewish mentality, the same issue happened again, making a game thinking on the short term without actually properly connecting it with EVE or considering the competition they were up against.

>>15412856

>since people usually run two or more alt accounts purely to AFK rat and make tons of money with no effort.

That's pretty pathetic honestly, there's a huge issue when the most enjoyable things are not only locked behind a subscription but the in game option is pretty much generating fake accounts. The game isn't even that great, it's fun sure but the devs are pushing it even further into the ground for a quick buck.

>>15412886

You're new to Eve then, it's always been a cool game with shitty devs and even then, cool is pushing it a little.

>>15412881

>excuses

don't be a nigger

>>15412484

>White Wolf

considering the newest edition of VampiretM, the world would be a better place if WW died.

>>15412770

It doesn't change the fact that the PvE and PvP were better than mosr MMOs available. Maybe it's because you didn't waste a ton of time doing pointless shit?

>>15412890

>devs pushing it into the ground for a quick buck

I played from Christmas 2015 to around February 2018 almost religiously, and just in that fucking period, they put in the ability to pay for skillpoints and made PLEX a currency for everything causing price increases. I have no fucking hope at all after this Pearl Abyss dogshit.

>>15412876

>you'll be a valuable member within a month

Why is this acceptable? Why are you telling someone that he will have to grind for a MONTH until he is at a point where he can actually contribute to the corp or actually play the fucking game?

Why does anyone ever put up with this shit? I know you don't think this is fun either, you just see it as a necessary evil, but for fuck's sake, why put up with it?

This is something that you boot up when you want to relax and have fun, it shouldn't be a job where you have mandatory training the first month so you're qualified to perform it afterwards.

For all the shit that Guild Wars 2 gets, at least the PVP doesn't require none of this shit for you to get into, available right from the start, and the leveling process isn't so much of a chore either nor required for anything except progressing in the story, so it kinda makes sense there.

>>15412920

>grind for a month

What are you? Retarded? He doesn't even have to play the game to level skills.

>>15412462

I swear some anon made a webm for this, anyone got it? I don't have ffmpeg, no bully

>>15412920

This, I love the player driven concept of games like EVE and Face of Mankind but playing these games is literally a second job. I hate to say it but World of Warcraft figured it out ages ago; it's called fucking rest experience. I want to be able to play other video games, not only your shitswirling time vortex of a game.

>>15412912

Yeah, pearl abyss are going to run this game harder into the ground even more so than the previous devs. You'll probably have to pay for the game, subscription, cosmetics and skill points.

Last I played was around 2015/16 for about a month.

>>15412873

What's with the inflateted ego of people like this?

>>15412881

>Shitting on webms

Please fuckoff

>>15412886

And yet you know nothing of EVE

>>15412920

You're not grinding retard, it's on a timer that continues offline too. It's literally set and forget.

You're treating it like another shitty themepark and not the sandbox it is. There's other shit to do, things to learn and people to talk to as your skills build up. In fact that's the whole fucking point of having that time. The social meta is as important to your survival the numbers your stat sheet, it's the heart of the whole fucking game. Now if you don't like that, good, don't fucking play it. This isn't or at least wasn't a game designed by a marketing committee to appease your ADHD. It's not supposed to be for everyone. It had a vision that enough people were into that it was a viable ongoing game.

>>15412963

It's a game for power hungry suits, essentially, and the player base reflects that (executives, lawyers and politicians have been known to play this game). The social meta aspect is precisely what I usually play games to get away from; drama, manipulation and other bullshit.

>>15412963

Nothing of what you said changes the fact that it's still a month before you're a "valuable menber", so don't come with this ADHD bullshit. The only thing that justifies that kind of commitment is getting paid for it and we call that a job. When I pay for a videogame, I'm seriously not expecting someone to tell me "thanks for the money, come back in a month and you can start playing for real".

Imagine what it would be like if singleplayer games had tutorials that ran over a week.

>>15412977

>set up skills for the next six months

>they always train

>can be a valuable member of a fleet within two hours of starting the game

>can play another game entirely while your longer time skills are training

>MUH TIME COMMITMENT

Are you actually too retarded to read up on the game you're shitting on? Can you read in general?

>>15412491

Paradox bought WW

>>15412974

Yeah I'm not too fond of it myself.

>>15412977

Yes, valuable. You'll be useful and blowing up shit in a day or two. How long does it take to get to the level cap in the average WoW clone? A month of obsessively playing at least? End game raids can't use your lvl 5 character at all, new pilots in EVE on the other hand can contribute. Again, you're retarded.

>>15412986

>set up skills

<but still have to wait

Pointless.

>can be a valuable member of a fleet within two hours of starting the game

<if you have buttbudies to gift you shit

Either the skills and your gear don't matter or "valuable" is a very subjective term here (fodder is valuable after all) or you're full of shit.

>can play another game entirely while your longer time skills are training

<can play another game instead of playing the game you paid a subscription to be playing

If you're argument is that "you could be playing something else instead", then that's probably the only point I agree with.

>MUH TIME COMMITMENT

<MUH TIME COMMITMENT

There's no justification for this. If there's an emphasys on taking sectors and stations, building up a corp and gathering the funds and materials for the ships you'll need, then the skill training is irrelevant autism.

Give each player a set amount of points to spend and customize his pilot right from the start with no extra points given afterward. Those should be a way to customize and optimize what role you want to take, not a very bad excuse to pad progress and shell out another month of subscrition from a player while you wait for them to increase.

>>15413005

>the average WoW clone?

I don't play those either anymore but there's a key difference there. PvE in those games is mostly a singleplayer campaign where friends can join at any time. You have a story to progress in, different areas to see and you're always properly equipped and skilled for the area you're in.

You'll be grinding in mostly the same way but at least seeing different things while you do so every now and then and it's not much different from generic singleplayer RPGs at it's core.

But if you want to get petty here, Guild Wars, both 1 and 2, allow you to make a PvP character that is up and ready for competition right from the get-go and even lets you use the PvE character, raising his level temporarily for PvP if you really want too.

>>15413028

>But if you want to get petty here, Guild Wars, both 1 and 2, allow you to make a PvP character that is up and ready for competition right from the get-go and even lets you use the PvE character, raising his level temporarily for PvP if you really want too.

Yes and fighting games you don't even need to do that. You just select a character and you're off. That's how much sense your comparison makes.

You're why the entire MMO genre is dead. If it's not the lowest common denominator it shouldn't exist. AAA publishers have trained you well.

>>15412697

There's nothing wrong with the MMOFPS. One of the big problems I had with it was how awful the interface was.

>>15412986

>MUH TIME COMMITMENT

Reminder than fun does not exist. It is the ILLUSION OF FUN that you experience: you are telling yourself that something is enjoyable.

By every conceivable definition, there is no fun involved in grindan games, artificially difficult slogs and MMOs. And yet most faggots here still play them, for the simple reason they trained themselves to like this shit. You can train yourself to like bad gaming, just like liking it in the ass.

The real ORGANIC FUN is that which requires no pavlovian training on your part. Very few games manage that.

>>15413050

>Yes and fighting games you don't even need to do that. You just select a character and you're off.

I can say "That's how much sense your comparison makes" to you back if all you're gonna spout are strawmans.

The section of the game in GW where players are playing with other players does not require months of grinding\training. The section where it's essentially a singleplayer\co-op RPG do because that's what singleplayer\co-op RPGs are.

So your initial comparison between "average WoW clone" doesn't even apply either, since it follows the same concept.

>You're why the entire MMO genre is dead.

Nope. The reason is that there's faggots that defend having players in different states of progress on the same area when that achieves nothing besides letting higher level players waggle their e-peen (case in point: >>15412852).

If the difference in power matters, any competition is decided by it's difference alone before it even starts after, and if it doesn't matter, there's no point to being there in the first place except as more padding.

The reason MMOs are dead is because their entire point is to incentivize it's players to spend as much time and money on them as possible, where training\grinding skills is the most basic mechanism and the power level difference between newer and older players is the carrot on the stick that makes you justify your investment into it.

There's no place for playing these games casually at all since everything you can do casually isn't fun by design, it's just something to keep you busy until you can join the late game content where all the fun actually is.

I'll say it again: if the focus of the game is fleet building, sector controlling and economy investment, then your pilot does not need progression of any form whatsoever, you already have that happening in the world itself.

In fact, a linear progression for your character doesn't even make sense when the main draw of the game is being a sandbox and the progression of corps is actually non-linear and sandboxy.

>>15413086

I like Warframe because I get to punch guys with Atlas or go fast and kill faster with Valkyr. Even better playing Trinity, giving everyone Energy and then I can just sit by and watch an impressive light show. A literal one if there's a Mirage.

I also like the story and the shooting.

But one thing that grinds me down (pun intended) is the grind indeed and I can't stomach much of it so I don't play it very often or a long time in each session either. The only thing that gets me through it is setting goals and working towards them, like trying to make a specific weapon or frame.

It's also the only thing that gets me through Elona.

I prefer stuff like Rune Factory, where there's precise goals you're working towards in different ways and the game itself makes sure to change things around ocasionnaly so it's not always the same thing.

Besides, you can take your waifu with you when you're grinding, that helps a whole lot.

>>15412885

>It's incredible how they made what was supposed to be a source of entertainment into an actual job. Except, you're not paid to do it, you PAY to do it.

Congrats, you just described every MMO

>>15412816

Hooktube got a letter from Google's lawyers for putting ads on the site because the dev was a retard. Invidious downloads the video before hosting it so apparently won't face the same problem.

>>15412851

Invidious has a habit of going down half the time.

>>15413205

>putting ads on the site because the dev was a retard.

What a fucking autist, hopefully either invidious gets stable or we have a good alternative. could always just webm them but that's another 5-10 minutes of effort if you have shit internet.

>>15413090

The point is the only thing EVE and Guild Wars have in common is a required internet connection. The comparison is fucking pointless. You're the one spouting strawmans.

And corps aren't the only thing the game has to offer, it's just a large part of it. It's a proper sandbox, which means you make your own goals. Not everyone wants to rule the game, some people just want to explore wormholes or steal shit from mining ops or battlefields. You're still stuck in this themepark MMO mindset. There's no such thing as late game in EVE, it just goes on.

>>15413079

>There's nothing wrong with the MMOFPS

There is a ton wrong with an MMOFPS which is exclusive to PSN and console controllers. Especially after MAG had already proven it was a bad idea.

>>15413360

>The comparison is fucking pointless

You're the first one that made a comparison with "WoW clones", doofus. If you're gonna complain about dumb comparisons, start kicking yourself in the balls.

Besides, your point when making that dumb argument was "it's the same in other games so it's okay" when my point when refering GW was "it's different in other games, so it's not okay".

I fully acknowledge the differences, the differences are my entire argument.

>>15413360

>corps aren't the only thing the game has to offer, it's just a large part of it

That influences everything else, especially when you're in the process of leveling up. I'm sure you can have plenty of fun adventures in NulSec eventually, but until you're good enough to go there you WILL have to endure corp bullshit, even if you aren't part of one.

>You're still stuck in this themepark MMO mindset.

Themepark MMOs are usually the ones that require a linear player progression where your character slowly but surely gets stronger the more you play. You're the one stuck in that mentality and you don't even notice. What's worse is that Themepark MMOs at least give you the same content in a different color with more backstory as a reward for leveling up, which is a shit reward, but compared to EVE where the reward is no longer being cannon fodder, it's far better.

>There's no such thing as late game in EVE

Corp competition is EVE's lategame and you're not joining that unless you have the skills and ships for it that you'll have to grind and train before you can reach it.

It's the single most shitty aspect that themepark MMOs created and imported into MMOs, the one aspect that EVE or any sandbox MMO doesn't need and yet it's the one you'll defend.

I'll say it again, your pilot does not need any progression whatsoever. The corp you build or work for, the ships and resources you adquire, the sectors you control and everything else is already progression and a proper one for a sandbox game. Everything else is padding made by CCP to yank out more cash from it's players. You said it yourself that "in month, you're a valuable menber", a month that you'll pay CCP.

You said it yourself: "AAA publishers have trained you well." but you should grind some more self-awareness and realize who's defending who here.

At least Warframe doesn't force me to pay for the grind and GW1&2 were one-payment for the full game. I'm inclined to say that even Planetside 2 is probably far better here. Perhaps just as jewish but you can at least join the fray and make a dent in the enemy team right from the get go.

>>15412398

Any chance to track goons' addresses and send people to kill them in their homes?

>>15412720

why don't you runescape faggots kill yourselves. why the fuck are there so many of you subhumans here? go the fuck back

>>15414099

I think it's just a stimulus-response thing by now, especially when criticism of anime comes up. Just like how people scream "shill" when it's highly unlikely organized shill ops even happen on this board.

>>15414124

At least them screaming shill breeds an anti consumerist natural response.

Goon builds infamy which could actually help actual goons.

<Oh man goons are so bad even 8ch fears them

I could easily see being thought by the underage newfag posters here and then running off to join their ranks.

I'm trying to save underage fags their chocolate cherries from being popped by Mitani's aids ridden dick.

So… I'll never have another medieval sandbox game where I can play a giant travelling merchant? What if the opposite happened and Black Desert Online was bought by the Eve Online company?

>>15414117

calm down

>>15412406

Mittens confirmed for Tigole(half-jew) 2.0.

>>15412495

I don't know, it would seem more appropriate for EVE to die from the CEO running off with the money and sabotaging the equipment.

>>15413079

>nothing wrong

>awful interface

Pick one.

>>15412770

That just makes it a heavily instanced MMO :^)

>>15412834

>It's retarded how EVE ties skills to time. You can never be good as someone who has played longer.

This isn't strictly true, in the sense that any given build has a maximum number of relevant skills. You could make the same case against any grinder MMO where the variety of equipment means you'll never have all of it, but you can still achieve any given build.

>>15412885

>Jesus H. Christ, who listens to this shit and says "yep, that's the game for me"?

People who enjoy pissing off their fellow players, i.e. most of /v/.

>>15412938

>it's called fucking rest experience.

But all your XP in EVE are rest XP.

>>15414840

>splitting hairs

My point is if Blizzard could figure out how to curb the "second job" phenomenon, which is essentially caused by players with no jobs being able to play constantly and get an edge over everyone else all the time, then CCP has no excuse.

>>15412890

>That's pretty pathetic honestly,

the alternative, what STO does, is just outright ban your account if they see you play too long for too many days. There's no complicated tracking to see if your actually doing anything or afk or whatever, it's just straight by time.

They also have no customer support. This causes delicious drama on the forums when someone get's banned after dropping $5000 on lockboxes to get some special stupid ship that's pointless anyway.

>>15414851

>Dailies quests, Dungeons, Heroics

>Weekly Mythics, Raids flockouts for each difficulty

Nah, Blizzard created the secondary job. You're not allowed to enjoy the game. You have to do these tasks that take up all your free time first.

Sandbox games don't have that nonsense so you just login whenever to do whatever for however long as you want.

>>15412422

>Not embedded because I heard it allows Google to datamine

It's true and that's why the /tech/ board doesn't allow video embeds. The thumbnail is hotlinked from their servers.

>>15412533

Invidious or hooktube doesn't do anything to prevent the sort of tracking he's talking about. It still hotlinks the same thumbnail from Google's server but also adds an extra method of tracking. It's worse than a placebo.

>>15412881

All it takes is to add the -f 43 option to youtube-dl to get it in a webm format that can be uploaded here if it's under 16mb. It's also useful as a backup incase the video is taken down.

>>15413913

As an ex-goon I know two people in that webm, both of them were permabanned.

Oh lord I dont think you people realize just how bad Pearl Abyss really is.

>completely retarded upgrade system that involves 100% luck but since you can manipulate it slightly they get away with it

>constantly screwing with pvp entirely untested and fucking up people's builds that take months of grinding to get to

>servers cant handle nodewars half the time they are unplayable

>servers DEFINITELY cant handle conquests

>pvp is an absolute mess to begin with, theres a massive barrier of grind just to even think about starting

>added an NPC dating system that is entirely based around NTR

>$20 lootboxes, of which you have to buy multiple of to get the best shit of

>Valk's cry, something from the KR servers that wasnt ported to the NA servers becuase even the dev flat out admitted that it was too Pay2Win, was added to the NA servers after all

>PA will ban people over the stupidest shit but wont ban Twitch partners even if they break ToS on stream

>completely redid the voices of all the NPCs several years after release, making them go from "Silly and cheesy but memorable" to "generic" and completely changing the tone and personality of some of the characters (Like they changed the Heidel storage from being a grumpy ass but good hearted dwarf to a fucking Keebler elf sounding motherfucker until they redid him AGAIN becuase it was so bad)

>constantly adding "Conveniance" items that are outright pay to win because they allow you to grind longer and get more money from life skills but since its indirect they can just say "you cant buy power so its fine"

oh and lets not forget that the story quests are so bad that they ended up just shoving the third act of the original story quest into a side quest. Like seriously if you follow the main story quest you spend all this time following some BBEG who has a hateboner for Calpheon and summons a ton of monsters to attack it and like two thirds of the way through that story quest your black spirit is like "Well thats fucked up but who cares about that shit lets go to Mediah now"

>>15417561

>how fast could I start harassing whales

Join a Highsec gank corp, and train into a Catalyst or Thrasher, it should take you maybe three our four hours of non play to be able to gank miners.

>>15417600

cool maybe ill check it out.

>>15417561

>>15417600

>>15417722

Highsec miners are never whales. They're the most mentally deficient players in the game, as they're carebears who choose to do both the most boring and least profitable activity in the game.

Highsec whales are usually L4 mission runners (which is on the same level of retardation), but you'd have to be slightly competent at the game and with a decent amount of skills trained to prey on even those idiots, since you either need to play through a series of highsec laws to lead to them legally attacking you and allowing you to legally defend yourself (otherwise you get vaporized by popo), or you most likely need multiple ships to jump them, hold them down and warp in with a glass cannon(s) that can melt them in seconds before popo arrive to smear you.

>>15417755

>all of this bullshit

>find an 0.6 system near a l4 mission hub

>park your little fleet of pals in the station, or a jump out

>have someone scan down the target in a cloaky ship

>he warps in at 10-20 cloaked

>warp to him

>blast the target with 10-20 dudes in 1.5mil ships

>have a guy in an industrial or even the cloaky guy waiting

>as soon as the target explodes, have him loot the good shit and warp out

>oh no we lost our 1.5mil shitfit catalysts!

>but there was anywhere between 50mil and a billion iskies of loot on the dead mission runner

>can now fund ten more of these fleets and have extra

Can flipping is a whole other can of worms, but that's purely if you want to 1v1 cheese some unaware niggers.

>>15417930

>Goons are probably the biggest force shitting up the internet for everyone right now

I'd say furries and lefty ideologues and are way worse than goons could ever be.

>>15417930

Anon

That's a satire website

>>15414851

Even if you cap the maximum jewgold/gear/xp someone can have, people that play more are still going to be able to bring more guys together to rek your shit. The only way to curb it is to curb the degree to which people can interact.

>>15417930

>Dr. Burgomaster recently finished a three-year study of the relationship between PLEX, bitcoin, ISK and the Euro for a research paper his peers described as “irrevocably useless.”

>Actually what happened is quite simple, once the treaty expired players from the Flustercucks Coalition bum-rushed the T-HC4EV system, one of the most valuable Null Security regions in the game. It’s like the Halloween War times 9/11

>It allows me to kill time at work because if I have no idea if what I am playing is even a video game, then my boss sure as shit doesn’t either.

How the fuck could you read that article and think it's real? It's clearly a joke.

>>15418029

That's not really what EVE online is like?

I didn't know.

>>15418054

You're just a plain old idiot if you couldn't tell it was fake with something like "the Flustercucks Coalition".

>>15418054

It really is like that.

>>15418064

The goon's coalition was literally called the Clusterfuck Coalition or CFC for the longest time.

>>15418054

Look at the fucking articles in the side

>Festival Tickets Purchased Six Months in Advance Only Thing Keeping Relationship Together

>The 5 Wackiest Amazon Products You Could Buy If You Weren’t Working for Slave Wages in Their Warehouse

>Untrue: Not Every Pop Punk Vocalist Successfully Sleeps With Underage Girls

>Wanna Feel Old? We’ve Been Using This Clickbait Formula for 10 Years

The Hard Times is a satire website just like The Onion. The supposed 2,000,000 dollar battle never happened.

You should really learn to get some critical thinking skills, anon. It's not good if you took something like that at face value.

>>15418029

>>15418067

>calls goons "cucks"

Baste

>>15417993

>furries and lefties are worse than goons

WHATS THE DIFFERENCE?

>>15412398

Say what you want about EvE online as it stands today, but I had a ton of fun flying internet spaceships back in the day.

>>15418117

>>15417930

>animefag

>post is full of retarded and gay shit

Every. Single. Time.

You can't make an MMO without selling out to gooks or chinks without the skinnerbox model. Got it. I'll never play MMOs again.

>>15419443

You can, EVE is proof of it.

EVE is also proof that no matter how good your situation is, you can still fuck it up if you're really really special.

>>15419587

They fucked up because that PhD thesis does not make money it only ensures a decade long existence.

>>15419587

Well, at least CCP will operate independently, for now.

Still worried this is the beginning of the end, of the only MMO I ever properly enjoyed.

>>15417805

>that's bullshit, you can totally do it more easily

>with 20 people

alright anon

If this game gets an emulated server, then it'll be amazing.

>>15417805

>find an 0.6 system near a l4 mission hub

>park your little fleet of pals in the station, or a jump out

>have someone scan down the target in a cloaky ship

<get 1 kill in 6 hours during 30s of combat, the other 5 hours 59:30 seconds are spent spinning in station.

>Wanted to drag Pandemic Horde to hell over what they did to Hole Riders.

>Pearl Abyss is doing it for me.

Shame I never got to go Nuclear.

>>15412697

Dust was fucking great. There was a grind but I enjoyed it and it lead to player characters being incredibly specialized with unique abilities where you molded your role to suit whatever gameplay you preferred. I wish I could play it now. RIP best hard scifi shooter.

>>15429675

Who do you play with, and what are their thoughts on things? I haven't logged in for a few months and due to some things I did I'll never be logging on again.

How are they taking the news?

>>15429687

>due to some things I did I'll never be logging on again.

explain yourself

>>15429718

Cashed out.

i'm actually thinking about installing it again and messing around with the free to play again, what am i thinking.

>>15429721

i'm sure you can still do the f2p, if you cared you could buy a sub on amazon with an amazon gift card.

>>15429729

What's the point? The game is dead with PA buying it, and even if it wasn't, it's already been won. There isn't any point to playing EvE nowadays.

>>15429738

i don't know, nostalgia, somehow i'm remembering station spinning and gate camping and endless scanning of wormholes and getting raped trying to huff gas for isk more entertaining than it actually was.

>>15429745

You never really remember the endless downtime and shit like that. It seems a lot more romantic than it really was.

Never forget that being Meguca was suffering.

>>15412422

>most of your free time just to actually start going somewhere in this game.

Only if you're bad or literally building an empire solo. This game used to be good. The signs they were slipping down was when they started to balance and change things to the tune of cry babies, people with agendas, and inexperienced noobs with ideals greater than their egos.

The forums, for a time, was FULL of voices worth a damn to listen to, but they chose to listen to the wrong crowd, and now they have been reduced to this bullshit lie to cover for the fact they dug their own grave from the decision making of the past. This IS the end of Eve and it's only a matter of time before more "updates" begin to lift the veil on this moment.

>>15424355

Despite my complaints against the game, primarily done by key players, developers, and decision makers, it was one of the most invested games I played. Maybe if they didn't turn it into shit, I would not have sold my account to use as a down payment for a house.

>>15429810

The issue with EvE is that it swings the other way. It's too easy. If you join any powerbloc the game is quite literally played for you. The only way to have any real fun is to join a wormhole corp, which have stupidly fucking high restrictions and require you to multibox.

Building a Nullsec empire doesn't happen anymore. If you manage it, you'll be forced to bend the knee to the local power or face extermination.

>>15429835

>It's too easy.

I should have put balance into quotes. Their interference with the economy, emergent game play, and dumbing down of the game is what killed it for me.

>>15429835

>>15427982

it would cause insane amounts of butt-hurt but it would be fun to comeback and play immediately after they did a full server/character wipe. maybe if they started a second server that started from scratch.

>>15429887

i would be 90% of the population would immediately move the the second server, leaving only the whales who spent 10 years grinding skill points and never missed a payment or quit, killing themselves as the empires they've built and the superiority they've acquired with insane skills and ships now mean nothing unless they want to play on a dead server.

>>15429937

Oh, and get rid of Jump Freighters. Make convoys a thing.

>>15429687

Disappointment and concern mostly.

I used to play with a cool wormhole gang, we prefered glass cannon T1-3 Destroyers and black ops bridge jumping.

Expensive, but iskies are EZ when you live in a WH.

>5-10 Polarized Hecates each with something like 2k dps or the hitting power of a tac BC but none of the Hp or resists

>Kill Fast or Die Fast

>A few black ops Battleships to bridge us to where we want to go

>some guys to go in with covert cyno candles when a target is found

I’m currently rolling with the Caldari Militia because fuck those faggy feds.

>the militia is a complete clusterfuck always

>Back when Dust still had players there was one time where the ground troops won a decisive battle and prevented a system capture with the node on its last 5 seconds of hp

Rip Dust the game that could have been.

>I will never be more salty than when they announced Dust was for ps3 only

>>15429898

Most people would be playing multiple accounts though. You'd have entire corps run by one person because boting is fine. It'd be fairly meme-tier because there'd be people playing the game more like an RTS. That'd be way more fun than even the vanilla experience presently is.

>>15430989

Most people already ARE playing multiple accounts. In fact, every high-end alliance requires people multibox. You can't join a Wormhole corp without having at least one or two multi-box alts.

On top of that, corps are generally only ran by a single person who does all the work. Tasks are delegated lightly and carefully at best.

>>15433226

From what I know, the game was originally a submarine game. It was a whole lot less sandboxy, with GM's limited what people could do. For example, there are records of people getting in trouble for bumping others.

EvE was incredibly autistic and wouldn't exactly be goon-bait until later on. Over time EvE has regressed, all of it's strange and complicated mechanics have gone away in favor of uniformity which is how Goonswarm managed to win.

>>15433231

To build on this, there used to be cavalry. Missiles were AOE so you'd warp in and fire a barrage at people. You could put in multiple engines to go incredibly fucking fast, etc.

There was also mines which were eventually removed. It used to be that to warp instantly on a gate you needed a bookmark, otherwise you'd warp at 10. This meant that scouting was much more important.

Titans were ultra-expensive compared to how they are now, and also massive doomsday machines. They could even fire through Cyno's (portals in EvE).

For years there was no such thing as a doctrine. You showed up with a ship that fell in the very vague parameters of what you needed.

Owning a ship mattered. You'd slowly work your way up to a Battleship, once you had it is was your ship. Contrast that to the thinking of today's EvE where every ship is nothing more than a bullet, a pure tool.

>>15417561

>harass whales

By yourself? Never. You'll be krill for your entire career.

If you join up with a gankcorp, maybe. There's easily a chance you'll just be harassed for lulz instead.

>>15417930

>Goons are probably the biggest force shitting up the internet for everyone right now

Nah they're irrelevant nowadays, now Reddit has taken that place.

>>15417326

>ex-goon

Only ex goons are dead goons

>>15413224

What exactly happened here? Did some idiot warp his titan in by accident again?