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I've never played this game and is it any good?

yeah its fairly decent grindy as fuck tho but that kinda vanishes after you get with a player group, also theyre adding guilds soon that will probably make things even easier.

ya kinda gotta deal with a lot of external resources like websites as it stands to do most things effectively

google is your best friend with it.

the base game has less multiplayer fun than the full package with horizons, but you can still just dip your toe in with the base game

if you like eurotruck simulator and rouge squadron then you will like this game

admittedly a wierd combo but they pull it off well

Elite 2 = Elite 3 > Elite 1 > Elite "Dangerous" (Boring)

>>15387497

>>15387535

The most unimaginative trash I've played.

It had the potential to become the best of its kind out there, but then when you look at the current state the game is in, you realize it's nothing but a botched attempt at riding on its predecessors.

Want cool new features that would actually improve gameplay?

Forget it. You'll get re-skinned old ships, stolen ideas from other games, botched updates, constant nerfs, shallow marketing and outright lying fan base.

The echo chamber of the official forums chastises any- and everyone who dares say anything other than praising the latest patch or LARPing.

Let alone the massive incompetence of the software developers and game designers at FDev. I worked there. It's filled with brits, pajeets and whatever they could find, most of them incompetent. The competent ones were shunned and ideas are trashed. The data analyst team focuses on how to catch cheaters instead of finding features players actually LIKE and building upon them. The designers focus on addictive and time-consuming gamepaly features to make sure your average dad/millennial gets caught in an endless loop of "maybe if I do this I'll have fun" or "maybe the issue is with me, not the game". Textbook gambling psychology, the same shit casinos use. And the player base just eats it up like it's candy. They keep making excuses "this game is not for everybody", but then relentlessly shill you to try and play it. My favorite is comparing it to Euro Truck (a game that does NOT even want to hide its true nature), saying how its cool for trucking, and that somehow _you_ have to acquire the taste for the game (you scrub!).

And don't even let me begin on "features".

The AI to this day cheats. They just dialed back by how much. They tried and massively failed to make AI competitive just through sheer skill, so they have to resort to giving them a demigod mode.

The missions are a joke. Still underpays actual skill and effort, yet massively overpays _time_ invested. You think taking on ELITE enemies would earn you anything other than a repair bill? Ha. Good one. And of course if you find anything lucrative within the game's boundaries (intended features, not exploiting) it gets SWARMED by everyone because of how painful it is to gain credits. And then gets removed within a few days.

Both the Guardians and the Engineers came out as half-assed solutions. Neither offer _anything_ to anyone unwilling to grind brainlessly for literally days. Want to experience the story-line? Good luck finding things in trailer videos and things hidden in a game area the size of the Milky Way. And your reward? A chance to read a text. Yes. They have spent millions for something you could read in a book.

The Engineers? The useful ones take so much grinding and repetitive gameplay it's not even funny. And because of the game's MASSIVELY overbalanced nature they're not even worth it that much!

JFC, it got long, but I'm pissed by how delusional players get about an objectively low quality game.

TL;DR: do not buy if you want to play a quality game. Get X3 if you want big ships and fleets and an economy that IS actually dynamic. Or wait for X4 and shit on that. YOUR time is more valuable than to waste it on a game that can be completed in an hour. Spend the time you'd spend on it reading a book, trust me, it's more entertaining.

>>15390828

Yeah the game really has extremely little to offer once you are past the initial "woah dude" phase.

Endless grind just so you can grind even more.

Progress between ships slows down to a halt when you aren't cheesing some meta thingy and everything you can do just becomes bland and boring.

Every system that may add some layer of interactivity to "Fly to point X and then point Y" is so shallow that its almost insulting.

Not to mention that the game does literally nothing of value with its always online bullshit.

In eve you have giant pvp wars but here multiplayer consists of being annoyed by pirates that seem to be just as bored as you are.

Travel across the bubble is excruciatingly tedious particularly in a combat vessel. You have to do jump after jump after jump by hand. Watch load screen, arrive at system, point at next one, hit jump, load screen, etc.

Fanboy faggots will say oh just fly an asp or hurr durr its immersive but at the end of the day, it's shit design. I love cruising in-system. I despise the pointless chain of loading screens. If they ever add some kind of jump-chain mechanic that lets you just do it all in one load screen, at least within the bubble, or implement military drives that can jump across the bubble in a couple goes but can't fuel scoop at stars, I'd start playing again.

As it is, the main form of advancing in game, engineering, requires you to do a shitton of jumps aka load screens instead of playing an actual game.

>>15391266

>Fanboy faggots will say oh just fly an asp or hurr durr its immersive but at the end of the day, it's shit design.

I agree. Only after engineering my fsd and going through all the trouble to get a guardian fsd booster, I now have a fed corvette with 30 ly jump. Not amazing, but good enough to get around the bubble. But all the other combat craft I own have 10-13 ly ranges. Awful.

>Sold my account for 200$ that had a cutter, corvette, and anaconda on it all fully engineered

Braben can blow me.

>>15402858

My favourite ship was the FdL so as you can imagine I don't play the game anymore. The most fun I actually had was in the beta when there were just one or two of each type of economy and maybe a dozen or two dozen systems in total. It worked a lot better. You encountered players everywhere, you could travel everywhere that had stuff in a reasonable amount of time, it worked so much better than a gigantic expanse of nothing.

Now I do think it would have been good to expand to more systems than the beta just for player base purposes, but I would have said more like a hundred systems tops, including uninhabited frontier systems, with perhaps two dozen inhabited systems.

Space legs never ever.

>>15390828

Are Robigo runs still possible?

They were gay as fuck but they kept them in the game for a fairly long time back in 2016.

>>15403789

Robigo AFAIK was nerfed to oblivion along with its counterpart (Fehu). They can't make up their minds. The most lucrative business the last time I played (couple of months ago) was passenger missions, you could earn anything between 5 and 100 million in an hour, if you did it right. But of course that required doing the same thing over and over again, and not actually having fun with the game. Having fun in this game is a privilege you earn by giving up any sort of progress, achievement and significant credit income.

Even when we had stackable massacre missions (god, I really missed those) you couldn't earn the amount that ferrying assholes across the Bubble is worth these days.

Perhaps smuggling slaves into the Bubble was the most fun I had with this shitty game. Broken mechanics sent assassins after you that you had to dodge using SKILL, then had to sneak into the station, which I did with silent running, all systems offline, boosting through the entrance, barely being able to restart the engine and not slam into the wall. Now that WAS fun. Then it got nerfed…

>>15402898

>>15402858

The most infuriating bit is that the player base had to beg FDev to increase the shitty jump ranges, and they still haven't done much to it other than adding upgrades (that you have to grind for hours) and better modules (that you have to grind for) and a shitty handwavium mechanic (that you have to find a suitable star for). Every time I logged in to play I had to fly to where I last left my combat ship (5-15 loading screens, 15 minutes of travel), then fly with my combat ship to wherever there was anything lucrative to do (10 minutes of reading forums to find the nearest currently lucrative combat system, up to 30 jumps to get there). So in the end I had to do up to an hour of looking at a fucking loading screen just to get to do what I wanted to do.

I'm basically a fucking pro.

Well over 2000 hours.

Add me on Steam to play.

https://steamcommunity.com/id/DolbyA

>>15390828

It's a wonder Pecisk hasn't popped on here to chastise you and damage control. You are spot on on everything, this game is trash.

>pushed back carriers and graphical improvements

>because suckers who bought the lifetime season pass complained that people were getting too much free content

I will never understand the kind of absolute peak brain damage you have to have to post on the Elite Dangerous forums.

>>15410181

>>15410182

Frontier's decision making in both marketing and game development works on the "Perato law". Basically the law says that 20% of the consumers result in 80% of the profits. The numbers are not exact, but the idea is all the same. The more customers you satisfy the less value your work is, because you see a decreased increase in profit as a function of how many players you try to satisfy.

You and I, the silent players and other people posting ITT, we don't swarm the online store to buy the new ship skins, or to buy the new bobbleheads. We are not in the "20%" that yields the most profit for them. Those are the loud minority on the official forums and on plebbit (these days… it used to be better on there).

This is why FDev have decided to prioritize dads (easy with nostalgia and space trucking) and millennials (literally anything that fuels that sweet narcissism). They created the same false sense of elitism around Elite (kek) that Apple created around its products. Just show a fancy trailer or some shallow improvements and you'll get these folks jumping in buying skins.

People who dare criticize the game in any way get chastised by those who get offended over the realization: it's a shit game. Try telling an Apple fanboy that his macbook is not worth $1500! It'll hurt his ego big time (he KNOWS it's not worth the money), then he'll enter an aggressive defensive state of mind and grab that pitchfork to get you.

It really is a wonderful self-regulating system with its echo chamber and all.

>>15410235

Pareto*

>>15410235

Reminds me of this one guy on youtube. He sperged out at the thought that people were using this one system for a passenger mission money making exploit. Of these kinds of exploits affect no one, people just wanted credits to enjoy the game. So he goes there and starts killing everyone. Of course he says that he is in the right. Then him and someone else in the comments section start saying how we're ruining the game for ourselves and we aren't really having fun, and we are devaluing the big ships. Then the other said something about how what people were doing was devaluing his work because he was a kick starter backer. So it's like you said, the elitists that play elite. Also, he caught so much flak and realized he fucked up, or maybe saw no one was agreeing with him, and he pulled the video.

>>15410398

The extreme spergs and top goyim in the Elite community usually consider killing other players in any way shape or form "griefing", so that guy must've been extra buttmad.

>>15390828

Sounds like this game could of done things.

>>15390828

>I worked there

Proofs?

Grindy boring bullshit.

>>15410418

He was very mad lol. It's funny when people actually role play, especially as pirates, they get super made and like you said call it griefing. So as long as people aren't playing the game "their way," they butt blasted.

>>15390828

>potential

That word is a meme.

The game was always just shiny space trucks. At no point was it on the path to becoming a good game, it was by the guy who jerked the community around for almost 20 years making false statements about Elite 4, and it was a direct attempt to cash in on Shekel Yidizen's kikestarter. It had more red flags than China and you guys were warned over and over.

>Get X3 if you want big ships and fleets and an economy that IS actually dynamic

X3's economy isn't dynamic, it's an illusion. Requires modding but there's only so much mods that don't code patch can do. Same with fleets, OOS fleet combat is lame and there's no need for it, anyway.

>X4

X Rebirth 2. Huge mistake, avoid it. Stick with X3.

>>15412570

wew

How someone can fuck up this so hard?

>>15410128

>silent running

I always spammed heatsinks when going into stations, werked 100% of the time.

What happens when your ship gets wrecked.com while docked on an outpost landing pad?

Once had some retarded AI pirate in an Anaconda chase down my half-fugd Asp all the way to the pad, he took me down to 20% hull as I was pulling into the hangar before the Outpost shoah'd him.

>>15412603

No one in industry is going to give you proof of posting here or they'll be out of work. I'm also in gamedev.

>>15412627

lurk more.

>>15412656

You're unaware of how fast things have changed.

>>15412603

>Proof faggot.

There is no way I could give you proof that would

satisfy your rage and still not lead to my identity. Otherwise whatever I could throw at you can be found on google by a moron. So you either take it or leave it. Sorry, mate, I want to keep my career.

>Maybe instead of fucking crying […]

Good post, man. Here to do damage control? Either that or you have the reading comprehension of a chihuahua. At no point did I complain about difficulty, and at no point did I cry about it not being casual trash. IF anything, the game IS casual trash. Even the most ancient Star Wars X-Wing has more simulation to it than Elite. Let alone that I was complaining about the game not rewarding skill… I'll give you the benefit of the doubt this time.

The game is a joke, not a space sim. When you have artificially dampened yaw to avoid space turreting and zero realism in any of the other physics? The ONLY attempt at a simulation in this game is the Stellar Forge. It's truly a magnificent piece of programming, and probably the only thing in the game that I could praise at all. (With a pinch of salt, of course, because even the Forge has issues with realism and physics)

>>15412621

They made it so you're invulnerable when docked because Itchynipples was killing people on landing pads, either by massive torpedo alpha damage or by bumping/ramming them, I forget which. Because he got billions of credits through bounty exploits and the devs just let him keep them after they fixed it, so he could toss away anacondas like they were nothing.

>>15387497

No. Look up gameplay videos if you don't believe me.

>>15414255

It's funny because for someone who was apart of the game, and knows so much to start spouting "because of the games massively overbalanced nature engineers aren't even worth it that much" maybe that statement holds a little truth vs npcs but against people the difference is stark and obvious and even against the easily confused AI it's rather obvious. But you, being apart of the games process are obviously already aware.

Actually, thinking about it, maybe you are a Frontier guy, they too have no fucking clue about their own game or it's mechanics.

>>15417131

The massive majority of the encounters is PvE and not PvP. Most players barely ever start open play.

"Worth" is based on usefulness and effectiveness vs time and effort needed to acquire.

Usefulness: against NPCs you hardly need Engineering when even an elite rank ship is easy to dispatch.

Effort: it requires several hours of scavenging for misc items to unlock and get the better upgrades from Engineers for a _single_ upgrade on a _single_ ship. It got a bit better over time, but not significantly. It's artificially bloated time investment on purpose. They know this sucks people right in.

>spouting

The game IS massively overbalanced in most ways, though. The effective difference between flying an Anaconda and say a Viper is negligible at best. One is supposed to be a light fighter craft while the other being much closer to a corvette class. One should be eating the other for breakfast, meanwhile Anaconda is still a wet paper tissue with glaring issues compared to what it should be based on design principles.

You know very well that a person only works on specific parts of the millions of lines of code. I knew my part well enough to realize it's a sinking ship, so I left.