1583bf No.15371295
Ignoring Nintendo's recent faggotry for a second, could an Ice Climbers game/remake make it in this day and age? How would you re-imagine it? Open world? Survival simulator? Or would it best be suited as a Game&Watch-style minigame? It worked for Kid Icarus and that was a smashing success. The guy even got a new villain/eternal rival based on his fucking Smash costume.
Or would the ideas mentioned in this vid be the best option? https://invidio.us/watch?v=cNVxgQrHOWw
59bd1e No.15371302
Ice Climbers is a pretty mediocre game, that people only care about because of Smash Bros. There are so many better franchises that could be revived.
5728f5 No.15371312
>>15371300
Imagine being this much of a redditor trying to fit in
59bd1e No.15371314
1583bf No.15371329
>>15371300
>doesn't even read the first fucking lines of my thread
Dafuq man. I'm not even a Nintendofag. I just want a mountain survival experience with cutesy characters I find aesthetically pleasing and memorable with plenty of room for development. And Popo and Nana are just that. Ice Climbers has as much potential as Kid Icarus.
c02eaa No.15371332
>>15371302
I mean, nobody cared about Kid Icarus until they revived it with Uprising. But you are right in that there's other franchises that should be revived. But they won't because Nintendo only goes for Safe Bets when making new games for established franchises.
59bd1e No.15371336
>>15371332
I cared about Kid Icarus. The original is a good game.
1583bf No.15371343
>>15371302
I already mentioned how Kid Icarus was in a similar boat yet look how that turned out.
>>15371332
There are plenty of good franchises which have sadly been discarded over the years in favor of focusing more on safe repetitive bets like Mario and Zelda. Shit just ain't what it used to be…
e7db1e No.15371364
>>15371295
>The guy even got a new villain/eternal rival based on his fucking Smash costume.
You mean Dark Pit? That did spark some popularity to the point where he became his own character in the 3DS game. But how exactly would a villain even work in Ice Climbers? Closest thing they have is the Condor and he's just a dumb animal who seems to be on friendly terms with them now. Although the Polar Bear might work as a main villain or even a playable character in Smash, but he's too chill.
59bd1e No.15371382
>>15371343
Kid Icarus NES was already a good game with lots of potential for sequels though. No reason a new Ice Climbers couldn't be good, but that first game doesn't really fill me with excitement to see the series revisited. It's just kind of a dull game.
1583bf No.15371410
>>15371372
They've always been faggy and made poor decisions, their new antics are just unavoidable now so far worse than their old faggotry. Only thing consistently decent coming out of their asses is Sakurai's turds and maybe Oddysey.
>>15371382
It is a dull game, but the concept has room for endless expansion. Intense survival mechanics, partial open world, exploration, quests, dozens of snow-loving animals and monsters to hunt while foraging for food, relationship/dating sidequest between Popo and Nana (would it be taboo? Maybe but the japs would love it), redesigns, character expansions, it'd basically be a whole new game but with familiar characters that have a decently sized fanbase now which has grown more since their return in Ultimate.
>>15371364
>how exactly would a villain even work in Ice Climbers
Simple, tie it to the plot of the first game. Have it be that the Condor that stole food the first time around was actually owned by a savage rival tribe (the Condor or Bear tribe or something like that) that fucks with Popo and Nana's tribe in attempt to dominate them. Have them be animal tamers responsible for making the animals on the mountain go wild, or simply make them part of the quest that add to the survival mechanic. The tribe could be represented by evil counterparts for Popo and Nana, Nono and Papa or something, giving them a proper villain that would suit them well but have them be more savage with tribal masks and crudely-made animal fur coats. The game could even have some kind mountain climbing race side game available on the menu where you can play as Popo and Nana and the second player can play as the evil little niggers. But I'm just shooting partial blanks here, hence the whole point of the thread is to share ideas. Doesn't even have to be exclusive to Ice Climbers. It could cover other forgotten IPs like Starfy or F-Zero.
34b33d No.15371414
>>15371364
>But how exactly would a villain even work in Ice Climbers?
"Man VS. nature"
Why would you even need a central villain for a game about a couple of cutesy sisters climbing a mountain? In fact, the mountain would be the "antagonist" of the game.
As far as how the series would make a "comeback", make the game a 3D platformer in a similar manner to the pre-2013 Tomb Raider games and give it "resource gathering" elements (Because it would, unironically, be one of the few games where those mechanics wouldn't be out of place).
5f9fef No.15371418
Make it like Catherine except have it be about mountain climbing and winter spirits. It's as easy as that.
e7db1e No.15371424
>>15371414
>sisters
Isn't Popo a boy?
>>15371418
And food/cooking
>>15371410
That's kinda adorable.
59bd1e No.15371426
They could just rip off Spelunky.
34b33d No.15371428
>>15371424
>Isn't Popo a boy?
I always thought they were both girls.
1583bf No.15371432
>>15371414
>"Man VS. nature"
>Why would you even need a central villain for a game about a couple of cutesy sisters climbing a mountain? In fact, the mountain would be the "antagonist" of the game.
True, but sometimes man's greatest enemy can be himself. Adding a rival tribe could spice things up for a story.
cdcdab No.15371448
>>15371330
>…………..
So this is the power of reddit
1583bf No.15371529
>>15371520
>Saving three of the best ones as thumbnails
You idiot. At least try to save this one correctly.
f73687 No.15371534
>>15371295
Just make it a vertical/platform version of One Way Heroics.
2e1d93 No.15371595
Climb mountain for objective
Hammer fights
Co-op is obvious, and would be best if necessary for successful platforming with the rope fuck everyone who won't be able to beat the game because they have no friends
Survival is good
Have virtually zero story, instead focus on mood and atmosphere of the hellish landscape trying to survive with your confederate.
3D co-op survival platformer focused heavily on gameplay.
I would play this
ed74c8 No.15371621
>>15371295
comfy vertical platformer like the original game obviously
21d786 No.15371682
>>15371295
2.5D platformer with a focus on verticality, and the story is just getting to the top of the mountain while seeing strange creatures and meeting weird characters along the way. Something short but easily replayable, like an $8 game you get digitally and then spend the next few hours playing until you finish
e7db1e No.15371807
>>15371625
Do you really like it?
925a20 No.15371915
>>15371332
>But you are right in that there's other franchises that should be revived.
never forget
ee232f No.15372938
>>15371295
second pic looks like some sort of paper mario rpg
f18882 No.15372984
>>15371295
Could work as a reimagined reboot today. Make it a lighthearted 3D mountaineering sim where Popo climbs icy mountains with his sister friend lover partner?, Nana.
81e4c9 No.15373810
>>15371295
It would be good as a co-op puzzle game with similar platforming mechanics
b9ba0d No.15373831
>>15371682
>$8 for 3 hours of entertainment
Fuck you, scum like you are why games are overpriced.
5e9010 No.15373872
My dreams for a new Custom Robo game remain unfulfilled.
0eef47 No.15373994
>>15371336
The original NES Kid Icarus is a giant turd of a game. Terrible controls and boring as fuck. Metroid it is not.
ffd184 No.15373999
Steal how Catherine worked, and make it a multiplayer thing. Either a race or endurance to keep climbing a mountain. Throw in power-ups so the kids can make a come-back against skilled players. Maybe throw in a half-assed singleplayer to act as a tutorial.
Catherine even has some FGC/competitive presence, so you could push that angle to boot.
a9948a No.15374155
I've imagined for a while now, an Ice Climbers-like game that could work on 3DS. I thought about this before the Switch was a thing. It would feature an angled top-down camera perspective that would follow and involve platforming your way towards the screen upwards the mountains like in the original game. I tried to draw in Oekaki as basic as possible the sort of concept I'm talking about. On different platforms, there could be sorts of puzzles or challenges that could prevent your way from climbing upwards until you solve or complete them. There could also be some sort of mechanic where you have to switch between Ice Climbers on different levels in order to help one of them climb up to the other, or even on different sides of the mountain.
Thoughts?
65e805 No.15374188
>>15371295
That's quite possibly the best way you could reboot the game that maintains the original spirit. It would be even better with the Switch since each person can use a Joy-con. I was thinking in the direction of a dungeon/boss rush or a Kirby crossover. You know, I'm surprised that they haven't already done that.
65e805 No.15374192
8157d4 No.15374209
As long as the game remains a 2D platformer. Could see a single player puzzle adventure based on the original physics of ice climbers and switching between two characters, or couch co-op. Maybe throw in a twist of adding torches or fire and a 3-6 point hit bar that food restores 1-3 points each.
a9948a No.15374228
>>15374188
>>15374192
Imagine being able to take 2 Switch and lay them on a table like Super Mario Party and have the game automatically create a level / puzzle where you have to connect both sides of the mountain / screens by turning them and making a path in the game. Or even being able to use 2 Switch for the main part of the game where the camera will match one of the players. And if they're on the same level, they could even walk over to the other screen and the camera would still follow them correctly if they change levels / platforms.
8157d4 No.15374255
Game can take place on one big expansive map instead of multiple levels. Igloos can be checkpoints where if you lose all 3 HP of both Popo or Nana you respawn (and lose lots of food). Well you can still progress with one ice-climber but it's impossible to go everywhere. You need to use food to revive the other ice-climber or return to camp.
a9948a No.15374259
>>15374228
Here's my concept for the latter, but seen in a 2D side view. The left and right represent 2 different Nintendo Switch and the top and bottoms are different layers or screens. The camera would be towards the ceiling of the next platform and as you climb, it too goes up towards the next platform. In order to cross screens, both of the characters need to be on the same vertical level of platforms. And when a character climbs upwards while the other one is on another side, the camera will follow that one upwards on whichever Switch the character is on. You could have puzzles like, Popo needs to pull a lever so an elevator can lift Nana up to the next platform towards a lever that will pull Popo up on his side.
Please let me know if anyone has difficulty understanding this or needs me to explain more.
8157d4 No.15374277
>>15374259
Would be fun 4 player mode but not everyone is going to have 2 Nintendo Switches. That said I do love the idea of two free screen games as an optional game mode.
Also how fun would it be to have a single Switch as a core server displaying on the TV while everyone else's switch has a limited perspective? Like Four Swords or Pac Man Vs.?
a9948a No.15374278
>open world
>expansive
>quests
>survival
>massive multiplayer
What the fuck are you people doing? Who said these were okay thoughts to have? And about Ice Climber of all things?
1aaa46 No.15374300
>>15371295
> It worked for Kid Icarus and that was a smashing success.
KI: Uprising was not a smashing success. Nintendo rarely discounts their games and KI was one of the few (outside their best-sellers range), along with Other M and Star Fox Zero, that received big RRP drops and even bigger cuts during sales.
fa287f No.15374324
a9948a No.15374326
>>15374277
>Also how fun would it be to have a single Switch as a core server displaying on the TV while everyone else's switch has a limited perspective?
Like one player gets to play as something like a nasty blizzard cloud trying to blow other players off the mountain, summoning ice, and whatnot without a top-down view but a full 3D view on the TV? Could have different modes to it. Like one where the first to the top wins, or trying to last as long as possible, or trying to defeat the blizzard cloud with your fellow Ice Climbers. This could an extremely fun couch multiplayer game if done correctly and with enough modes and variety to keep it interesting.
29ff61 No.15374332
Just clone Spelunker Party but instead of going deeper into a cave system it's climbing mountains in different regions You can keep the same physics as the NES game and then have something like spelunker party's gear system give optional handicaps/gameplay changes. Then once a player conquers each mountain just thrown in a score attack mode and mountain randomization mode.
8157d4 No.15374337
>>15374278
Okay nigger, calm your tits. I know you didn't read every post.
My favorite proposal so far is taking the physics of the old games and make it a puzzle platformer out of it. I'm proposing adding 3 hit points that replenish at checkpoints since points in modern games are worthless. As for food think of it as extra lives instead of hunger. Loose all your HP or fall off the mountain, you lose food. Run out of food and it's game over. You have to restart at the base of the mountain.
Come back from the mountain with the high score and lots of food then you can trade food and treasures for goodies like swag for your igloo or some other unlockable.
a9948a No.15374372
>>15374337
>I know you didn't read every post.
I didn't say it was about every post.
704b9d No.15374864
>>15373994
Interesting for you to say that anon. I've always heard the exact opposite, that in retrospect the original Kid Icarus was far more playable then the original Metroid and people are confused Metroid is the one that took off and not Kid Icarus.
aebc29 No.15374926
>>15371332
> Nintendo only goes for Safe Bets when making new games
Miyamoto wanted to put Mario in the game as the characters because he thought people wouldn't recognize or like squidkids.
8ba269 No.15374975
I wouldnt mind if Captain Rainbow got a port or revival.
8157d4 No.15375105
>>15374975
I don't want Captain Rainbow to be cucked by (((localization))).
9ff941 No.15375348
>>15371295
I just want to know if we get to play as FOUR ice climbers simultaneously if we get a Ditto in Smash Ultimate.
65e805 No.15375372
>>15374926
No fucking way. Source?
9ff941 No.15375389
>>15375372
Rumors abound that Miyamoto is extremely vindictive and unwilling to let other groups steal spotlight. They've existed for quite some time and about other projects, so I wouldn't have put it past him. Hell, did you think Super Smash Bros was originally about Nintendo characters?
ea6e41 No.15376008
>>15371295
therea a hundred ways to remake it, and a dozen ways to do it in a fun way.
maybe a paper ice climbers rpg because nintendo wont make a proper paper mario rpg again.
or a game where you defeat an evil ice kingdom with destructible terrain with your giant fucking hammers and made up weapons. red faction but with cute eskimos.
925a20 No.15376042
>>15374926
>>15375389
I wouldn't put it past him after what he did to Paper Mario
e7db1e No.15379338
>>15371915
She came back in Mario Maker. Maybe they'll revive her for Ultimate.
>>15372984
>romantic subquest where the big win at the end is some passionate and extreme handholding and nose rubs
L-Lewd
>>15373872
Endless suffering.
ba1ca2 No.15379362
>>15376042
There is an updated version with even more rage inducing material.
e7db1e No.15379369
>>15374228
>>15374155
That's kind of brilliant. Sounds far better than the crapstain that is Captain Toad. Also, anyone else recall Project Sora, the developers of KI: Uprising? Sakurai and Iwata started that shit seemingly to begin making games based on forgotten IPs, yet after Uprising it quickly closed down. Was Uprising that unsuccessful? If they hadn't closed, could we have seen an Ice Climbers game among others? Feels like such a nasty loss.
6980ba No.15379376
>>15379362
Iwata didn't deserve to die… It should've been the senile Miyamoto…
e7db1e No.15379400
>>15375389
That would explain why Mario Kart is now the main racing series for Nintendo instead of F-Zero or Excitebike and why other game ideas with unique mechanics get used up on Mario or Zelda titles.
59bd1e No.15379564
>>15375389
If I recall, Sakurai asked to make the game a Nintendo mashup, after early versions were produced with generic fighter characters, because he thought it would have more appeal than a bunch of literally whos. And he was right.
59bd1e No.15379618
Sometimes it does just make sense for Nintendo to be this way. If you're Nintendo, and you're making a tennis game, and you can include recognisable characters to help sales, and give it a bit more character, there's no reason not to do that.
They do take the mentality too far sometimes. Dinosaur Planet should not have been a Starfox game. A lot of people weren't happy that the Mario 64 sequel was confined to a tropical island theme, and strapped a water gun to Mario's back, and the people who loved that direction are never going to see it again. Those are cases when you should do a new thing.
6980ba No.15379912
>>15379564
Yes. Sakurai did, but Miyamoto's suggestions were just autistic and unneeded.
>>15379618
Its close minded and limits potential and new opportunities. Iwata was never as close minded and unbending as Shigeru, and Nintendo prospered under him. After he went, everything kept getting even worse without a reasonable skull at the helm that at least had some pull with Shigeru instead of being his complete bitch.
bf0d05 No.15380560
>>15371295
>could an Ice Climbers game/remake make it in this day and age?
Very interesting idea, OP. And I know just the man for the job.
59bd1e No.15380712
>>15379912
Is there really that much potential for a tennis game? I mean, how many big fans of characters created for tennis games are there out there?
59bd1e No.15380746
You could also argue that just makin sequels at all is a limitation of creativity, and everything should be completely original.
8e536b No.15380761
>>15380712
well people seem to like waluigi, and i personally have come to appreciate the original human characters in the golf and tennis games. mostly because there was a loli or two but it was also interesting to see normal people in a setting otherwise full of wacky cartoon characters that werent heavily based on peach. the contrast was fun in a way that didnt feel forced.
>>15380746
you could, but you could also say working from an established setting gives you something to build on.
not that theres a whole lot established in ice climbers other than the fact that theres fucking dinosaurs.
605e93 No.15382749
8157d4 No.15383155
>>15380746
I have a saying. "Know what you can't do before you know what is possible." Make what you can, not what you want.
Physics of classic Ice climber have potential. Tweak that, then design the game based around that. You have a jump button, hammer button, a rope/piton button, and a torch button. We just made an entirely new Ice Climbers game by adding 2 more item buttons. Also with the weird movement physics they're surprisingly comfortable with a stick. Also with a natural addition of rope there is a new movement option: climbing.
And with this natural progression to more vertical momentum we can design more vertical concepts like slopes and slides. Maybe add mountain lakes and water as obstacles. Despite being just Ice Climbers with NES movement there's near limitless possibilities of game design.
521d60 No.15393478
Make it something like pic related, a cartoony adventure/platforming 3d game that's easy enough for anyone to pick up but hard to master/100% complete.
2c7883 No.15394006
5fa560 No.15394567
I'd only play for hot wincest.
73fe96 No.15394717
>>15371295
What, a fucking platformer with challenging rises too hard for new Nu-tendo soyboys? I had this shit back when having a gaming console was unusual in my country and it was the absolute shit, most other old Nintendo games were. Why change it so unnecessarily? The formula is great, they just need tighter controls on the jumping and more variety.
Also what's wrong with that second picture? Is it some sort of GCN game?
846421 No.15394989
Vertical arcade 2D platformer using both 3DS screens, with short levels and taking a page from platformers with impressive physics like Umihara Kawase and Gish. The standard levels are hand-crafted, but you can also tackle randomized variations. Two-player modes:
1. Using one system, and each player using one side of the controls.
2. Using one system, with players taking turns lasting a few seconds, and you can set up traps for the other player.
3. Playing simultaneously on two systems.
None of the three modes is explicitly co-op or competitive, you two just get a score together and also an individual score.
>>15375389
IIRC Miyamoto wasn't a fan of putting Mario etc. in Smash.
521d60 No.15400796
Isn't Nintendo supposed to release a multiplayer version of this on the Switch with its paid online service?
e1ff86 No.15400822
>>15371295
I could always see it as some kind of downloadable title for whatever network Nintendo uses to sell digital content (or actually, didn't they shut that down recently?)
Anyway, including a classic character in a Smash game actually seems to be a pretty good idea for advertising and/or breathing some life back in the series. How many 90s people do you think actually knew Samus Aran, for instance, before seeing her for the first time in the original Super Smash Bros?
4049b2 No.15400848
>>15371332
They wouldn't have to focus on "safe bets" if they gave a damn about the game they're working on. Most of the time they just throw darts at a list of game mechanics and try to squash them together in hopes it works. That's why Star Fox Zero and Assault were absolute garbage fires, simply because they had no idea how to make any of it work.
deda67 No.15402762
>>15394567
I don't think they're cousins
521d60 No.15405646
>>15402762
I think it's left up to the player's imagination