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Subweapons can help, but I found jumping really high to be useful too. You should be able to get two solid hits in each side.

The totem is used with the black spire gate things - it's an extra teleport to one

>>15342186

>the totem is used on (((spoiler)))

So, not the unusable tablets? Scanning the SPOILER does give me a visual flame effect, but I can't access them from the Holy Grail menu.

I just finished a replay of LM1 and an All I Need Is One Finger run of LMR, so I'll probably be starting up a replay of LM2 tonight. I was hoping there'd be another patch live by now.

>Does anyone have hints for Daiji?

Obviously don't use an Attack Fairy unless they've patched it, when I tried that on the release build the fairy went straight for the treasure chest and hardlocked the game. If you want to win the DPS race you'll obviously want some upgrades to make your weapons faster, can't you get both of those before fighting that miniboss?

>>15342190

They're considered backside gates, so you need the certain earlygame software equipped that enables backside teleports

Also, you can only have one scanned at a time.

Just to confirm, Anchor is an essential item because you need it for a Crystal Skull in Annwfn, right?

>>15342229

Anchor is needed for various stuff, including a certain Health Orb and access to the Weaboo Temple.

>>15342229

Don't you also need it for the crystal skull in Valhalla?

>>15342244

No since that one needs a sigil and a breakable wall, as far as I remember.

>>15342236

>Access to the weeb temple

That doesn't sound right. You enter Battlefield from Roots via a sigil and then activate that seal that drops the platform near the lower left of the zone, and then go through the 3-soul door to the shrine. Even then, that zone is just a transition zone to Ancient Chaos, more or less

>>15342272

My bad, I was thinking of the damn labyrinth.

>>15342290

Oh yes that's right, since the tube needs it to enter. You can technically enter the zone via early cog, but you can't get out of the corner of the room until the boss is beaten, which needs the miniboss killed.

>>15342700

Anyone know if it's possible to make the Corridor of Blood accessible again after opening the way to (Spiral Hell)? I'm fairly certain it's impossible to go to Shrine of the Frost Giants B-4 without it and I kind of need to do that for glossary entries because I wasn't aware of the consequences before I saved.

>>15342700

>Bronze Shield not being necessary

Don't you need that to be able to enter the correct gate for the Ajisukitakahikone fight? Or is it the case where the entrance is always present, just never identified without it?

>Harp being necessary

I'm pretty sure you can buy Enga Musica without it.

>Fairy Guild Pass being necessary

Is there ever an instance where a key fairy is required to progress?

>>15343226

Yeah just go back through the backside door in the shrine. Only the isolated part of Takamagahara is lost forever.

You do need a key for at least one puzzle. I noticed that gates only turn blue if your sequence is wrong. Shapeshifter will never appear on the next correct door afaik. Bronze mirror is helpful but skippable. I thought harp was necessary but then it might not be. Buying it saves some money though so it might be worth as a non core item in a speedrun

im going to start a family with mulbruk

I was watching videos to see if I was doing something wrong with Kujata because even with 160hp I just get destroyed at the last phase with all those laser eyes. I saw his health drops massively in the videos compared to when I fight him.

Seems in a recent patch the devs buffed the HP of a bunch of bosses. No wonder it seemed like bullshit.

>>15342229

I only ever used the anchor for the underworld gate puzzles. When it came to water, I just used the clay suit to sink.

>>15343432

Wow I'm retarded, that's literally the most direct use of it too.

>>15343419

With patch v1.1.1.2, which is when I played it and they were super easy, I had the Codices item and every single boss started out with a chunk out of their HP bar, maybe 1/8th missing. Did anyone else experience that? I thought it was linked to crystal skulls at the time. I assume if it was a bug they patched it by now

>>15347024

I think they wanted to repair their shit, and tried to influence the First Children, but then got cucked by Mother and then tried to kill her, and their race eventually dwindled out.

>>15348461

There's one particular attack during his first phase (the second water wave) which I could only consistently dodge by jumping forward towards the wave and then changing direction in midair, it gave me trouble because I was approaching it with the old control mindset. During his second phase I remember it felt like there was almost no opportunity to attack until I realized his attack pattern had slightly changed in addition to the increased speed, and there were actually more opportunities for damage since he was the one closing the gap, if that makes sense.

>>15348461

Assuming they didn't change his pattern, just focus on iumping away when he does his jump. He'll do a second water wave. Otherwise just keep moving methodically and getting a few shots in here and there

>>15348461

Did you get the chain whip? I managed to tank the lava to get it without the ice cape.

Finally got stumped. Any hints, anyone?

I can go to fight the battle chicken under treetops after using sun and moon mantra, but it's invincible. At the other end of the area, I made a circle appear before the path leading up to immortal battlefield, but it doesn't seem to do anything. I can go fight fenrir after melting ice with mantra, but it's invincible. I went the other way in the ice zone, killed a boss, and it makes some seemingly useless ice pyramid appear. Further along is a path blocked by pink barrier that kills you in one hit. In the chaos zone, I have to pray to lord anus of the analnaki (did they cause all the dissonance by anal probing the children, era after era?) somehow. One was obvious, look up, but the other two don't make any sense. One picture seems to show slitting your own wrist, and the other seems to show lying on your back, impossible actions. Also, of course, no idea what to do with Brahma or those crazy spinning wheels showing the various ages. No clue what to do in the room of judgement with the scale where the crocodile statue thing eats you either.

>>15349436

>I have to pray to lord anus of the analnaki

So pray like the murals describe

>>15349436

>chicken and fenrir

Both need the same item to be able to hurt them, which I think you get from beating the ankh boss in Treetop. To get said ankh you need to figure out how to get around a catch 22 situation, since chicken leads to the underworld but you need an item from there to get the ankh to appear. Therefore, find another way in. Remember the dude chilling before the top entrance of Immortal Battlefield? He's sitting near a symbol that you've seen elsewhere, and the bottom icon is the underworld. Find a mantra combo to actually be able to get there since it's blocked

>praying to lord anus

The two remaining prayers are leaning and lying on your back with your legs spread. The first requires you to take off an equipable item and use a nearby seemingly useless element in the room, while the other one you've probably seen a ton of times during the game and just didn't realize. Hint: the room is very tall

>croco scale

For your heart to be light enough you gotta get rid of your weights. Honestly don't get why anyone would have trouble with this one.

>brahma

Biggest interconnected puzzle in the game, there's a ton of tablets with information on it. You can't start doing it without turning on 5 lasers in Brama's room, I think, unless you brute force it and it happens to work even when the lasers are off.

Hint 1: some nigger asks a lot of people what they think creation is. Could you find these people, and what do you have that has to do with creation?

Hint 2:Their answers have something to do with certain terms and colors

Hint 3:the wheels have symbols on them that are mentioned on tablets, with some words.

Hint 4:the wheels don't spike you on certain colors of the wheel, that's the "right" one for that wheel.

>>15354561

>I forget the software combo that boosts katana damage is, or if it's even accessible right now

Rose and Camellia plus Mekuri Master, which I'm pretty sure you can access.

>>15354561

To be fair, Kujata can be a really fucking pain in the ass, especially in his last phase where you just had his drones fire beams at every conceivable height level.

>>15342700

You don't need the anchor when you can just wait till you have the clay doll suit.

>>15354723

The Anchor is required for getting to Hel, as it's one of the items which are taken in the Seven Gates of the Underworld puzzle, making it mandatory.

>>15360363

>Doing it after the boss buffs

Very good job anon. I did it before shit got "fixed"

Did they fix the glossary bug?

>>15363783

They fixed the basilisks in Dark Lord's Mausoleum not dropping their chip, but it seems Main Character 19 is inaccessible.

inb4 it's Dracuets

>>15365723

>Can't get Mulbruk's entry because Takamagahara Shrine is sealed on my good file

Fucking niggers.

Do I need all the costumes for the treasure hunter achievement?

>>15365723

Hell Temple wasn't funded, was it? I think someone would have found a clue by now. I was optimistic about the Yuga Rings for a while, but I think there's nothing deeper to them.

>>15365833

You know what the Yuga rings are used for, yes?

>>15365856

I'm aware, that's why I said "nothing deeper", not "nothing"

>>15365833

I'm pretty sure multiplat wasn't funded, but it's coming to Xbone somehow.

Also the fact that Guidance Gate has a marked transition to Spring in the Sky has me hopeful.

>>15365814

No, I got a key for getting the last cheevo, and only then got the Valkyrie chest.

>>15365868

Also the fact that there's one extra entry for "Garb"

I just can't muster the interest in finishing the game. I'm at the 9th child, I've collected all the items and apps, and I just have absolutely no drive to finish things.

I loved the first game, but the second never interested me in the same way. Fighting Surtr was when the fun evaporated and instead I just felt a sense of duty to finish things. Fighting 3rd form 9th child after the patch was the final straw. It's probably just a 'get gud' situation as well, but anyone else just underwhelmed?

>>15366429

The only sympathy I have is if you're on hard and don't want to GIT FUCKING GUD.

>>15366429

A little underwhelmed, but unless you're doing one finger you have no reason to bitch about 9th child. I can do the first two with zero damage, barring some bad RNG on the second form, and third isn't nearly as hard if you just keep up with getting on the arms. By the time you're dropped of one side you can immediately jump to the other side and get on that one, bombs plus spears make easy work of its health if you're not doing a no sidearms challenge, and 4th form is easy once you get used to the patterns.

You already made it to the end, might as well walk the last two steps.

I'll give you one tip about a mistake I made, to make it less potentially tedious for you: Once you do beat 9th, don't jump off the rising pillar afterwards or you'll be stuck and have to redo the 9th. Fucking reflexes making me do it twice.

>>15367739

>>15367947

Yeah, trying to do the one finger challenge. Most of my irritation is with phase 3, since I always seem to get hit by a horizontal laser on the way down, have a hard fall, and get hit by the other lasers consequently. Or just slide off the tentacle what seems semi-randomly.

Beyond the 'get gud' side of things, I have very little hype. Every guardian defeated in the original reminded you that Mother was your inevitable confrontation, what with the spirit eye thing. This time around there's nothing really to tie it together, I expected Loki to be an antagonist, or at least Ratatoskr to be slightly more interesting. Unless I missed something, Loki just disappears after Vritra, and Freya makes an off mention about how he is/was instrumental to all their plans for Eg-Lana. Again, I'm underwhelmed.

Favorite music track go go

>Dark Lord's Mausoleum

>>15368939

That's a good track.

I've grown fond of Dance of Midgard and Tearless Challenger. Moonlight Daze is nice, but the beginning is a little noisy.

>>15368939

I was partial to Muspell & Nilfheim and Valhalla Party, even though the instrumentation on that one doesn't really fit the setting. Hell Hymnal was really cool too.

>>15368788

I understand entirely the hows and whys of things, and don't get me wrong I enjoyed myself quite a bit until, well, parts aforementioned. I can be understanding of the situation but still rather disappointed with the last 15% of the content.

I'm kind of hoping for a last gasp of content and fixes after a month or two, until then, I've got my Steam Backlog of Shame to work through.

>>15368741

If you go to his lover after killing Vritra, and collecting the dissonance, you find out his soul is bound in the behelit, otherwise she just freaks out about him being gone. I thought Loki would be more important too, but nope, just there to release one boss that is supposed to start the end of the world. I haven't gotten far enough to know what the end purpose of the behelit and dissonance is, besides the relation to the corridor of blood. I am really, really shit at these games.

>>15377221

Was one of the riddles broken? Yeesh.

I replayed a good chunk of it again, and realized how much early Feather actually fucked with the game. You could trivialize a lot of puzzles and just skip big areas.

>>15380037

Well the one with the missing line, yeah, and if that happened who knows what else got fucked with the translation.

And shit, man, the guardians are really tough post-patch, I thought all the comments were overblown. I'm not really complaining, I thought they were too easy the first time (considering it was hard mode), but I'm not really looking forward to Kujata or Anu with the health buff. Fafnir and Vritra were definitely a step up from their release states, it reminded me more of the first time fighting Ellmac on hard mode.

>I replayed a good chunk of it again, and realized how much early Feather actually fucked with the game. You could trivialize a lot of puzzles and just skip big areas.

Yeah, they really used the Feather in a much more Metroid-style way this time, I think in LM1 the only thing that required the feather was the Tower of the Goddess. I don't know how many people would have found the Feather skip without being told about it first, though.

>>15365884

Oh yeah, and the fact that "Previous Adventure" has a section from "Curse of Ocean"

They changed the wording of a few riddles too, every reference to the dragon in the Immortal Battlefield has been changed to "falling water" or "the waterfall", so that you don't have to make the association between the ring of water and the serpent on the map. I'd expect "Where is this?" to get changed in the future too, I guess, that's a shame.

>>15365884

You don't think that's just an empty inventory space? There's a fifth space for a sigil too, but I don't think the Treasure of Life was put there

Still trying to figure out a somewhat optimal route through the game so I can hit under <3h as a personal best. I haven't quite committed all the locations to memory, yet.

I feel like it's good to look at bosses in terms of what they need to be fought (in terms of soul doors). Eg, you have to kill Fafnir first, and then you can get Vritra for the Beherit or get Kujata for the Djed Pillar. But on the other hand, Jormungand is useful because Mjolnir is used in a few puzzles and you can't get the lamp before he's dead, etc.

>>15380307

That's the way it always has been in Japanese. It never said dragon in Japanese.

>滝の中に隠された二つの印。

>Two sigils lie hidden within dragons.

Maybe the translator was a retard and confused 滝 waterfall with 竜 dragon, or maybe he was just being an asshole on purpose.

>>15380456

I got stuck on my first play because I didn't realize I fucking destroyed both of them early on and didn't realize what the tablet was talking about. Even so, there's a picture on it too, so it's not a hard one to miss. For me, the dinosaur statue was the earliest roadblock

>>15380456

I guess that's alright, then, I just liked the connection in the original wording. The other clue is seriously supposed to say "Check the back of the three-eyed waterfall"?

>>15380475

>３つの目がある滝の裏。

"behind the waterfall that has 3 eyes"

>>15380467

The dinosaur statue fucked me over too more than anything else so far.

Now that I'm doing my second, one finger run, I'm questioning why there's any complaints about early feather being removed at all.

You beat Fafnir, Vritra, rush to get the katana and the item that allows you to combo main weapons, kill jormungandr with the katana upslash, use corridor of blood to get to dark lord, kill the frog, and get the feather.

With early feather exploit, you could get the feather from below, without killing the frog, but actually getting to the feather room is impossible from the CoB without killing the frog, isn't it? And going through the other end requires the Djedd pillar to get through the Gate of the Dead. So my method is actually faster than early old feather, I think?

Also jesus fuck, katana makes Jormungandr piss easy. I already had it the first time I fought him, but didn't know how to hit him with it. He felt like one of the hardest bosses even on easy, while now he was a joke on hard mode one finger. I think they also added better telegraphs for his movement, though. That helps a lot.

>>15386148

Default orientations are

>Valhalla to Ice Giants

>Ice Giants to Ancient Chaos

>Ancient Chaos to Hall of Malice

>Hall of Malice to Dark Lord's Mausoleum

But you can't get up from Hall of Malice because the connection is straight vertical and you start at the bottom. So you need the Beherit to get there and Underworld

>Kujata got nerfed

There goes the pride in my run of One Finger. Not really though, since I still have the timestamp

>>15386391

I know I'm gonna make myself sound like a complete retard, but a One Finge run does not actually see you beating the game with one finger only, does it?

>>15387017

No, you need to use sub-weapons for certain situations regardless, it's just that you can only use main weapons against guardians.I think you can even use the shield, but I'm not 100% certain and haven't used one myself yet.

>>15387017

One Hand is for defeating all bosses without sub-weapon usage, One Finger is for doing all that on hard mode. Shields are allowed, but other sub-weapons, possibly including the Ankh Jewel since it actually does damage, aren't. Pretty sure the sub-weapon being used but not hitting the boss is banned as well, so Caltrops cheesing isn't possible. At least Mjolnir and the fairies are usable, since they aren't sub-weapons.

>>15387140

Don't you just have to crouch-walk over to it? You can also stand underneath that space and do a pixel-perfect doublejump through the ladder to get there, but I think that was a bug.

For the costumes, do you have to do something specific to trigger the chests opening? I had collected two of them but after 1.3.3.2 went live the chest in Icefire Treetop won't open. I've already beaten the game, but the key's not on the title screen anymore, so it might have just reset.

>>15387147

Fairies can be used on One Finger? Seriously?

>>15387162

Yep, fairies are usable. Used a healing fairy for both Echidna and the 9th Child myself and got the achievements without issue.

Regarding the costume chests, you get the keys to them after doing certain achievements, those being beat the game, collect all items, collect all glossary entries and visit the computer shop lady 40 times. Either you've used up all the keys you had, the keys reset across the update or the game has bugged out, which some people have been reporting; not sure about how the fix the latter though.

>>15387162

>Don't you just have to crouch-walk over to it? You can also stand underneath that space and do a pixel-perfect doublejump through the ladder to get there, but I think that was a bug.

I have crouch-walked everywhere in that room, no cigar. I did find a hole underneath it, but there's nothing there, no ladder, no breakable wall, nada. Unless it's a hidden 4th sigil, don't have that one at the moment.

>>15343317

I wish that bitch would wake the fuck up and give me those damn snowshoes she kept bragging about.

>>15387192

Define "all the items", because I beat the game and got all the treasures and it didn't count. Don't tell me I need to hold a fucking ankh jewel too, for it to count.

>>15387306

Show your equipment screen.

>>15387344

You might need the Angel Shield?

>>15387140

So that's just a shortcut to get into the room below. Completely useless.

You're supposed to crawl over the jar to the left of the platform to get into the room. Then you step on the plate, and the floor where the plate isn't, becomes a hidden ladder.

Does anyone have specific tips for killing Kujata with One Finger? Even with the nerf he's giving me trouble the second time around. I know it's that last phase that's a roadblock for me and I guess I just need to kill his minions before going for the last eye, but I haven't gotten it to work. At the moment I'm just grabbing any sacred orb I can hoping to scrub out a victory.

>>15388128

I had about half of the health bar when I fought him I think, using katana with the vajra, and having feather. He wasn't that tough, just had to keep in mind his eye-fireball timings and hit the lava balls out of the air. Kill his minions ASAP, especially on the last phase, and it shouldn't actually be that hard.

>>15388287

Thanks, I ended up getting him after a few more attempts. Felt like I got a little lucky in the end, though.

>He wasn't that tough

I don't know, man, it took me way more attempts than One Finger on Viy or Palenque

>>15388457

Nice. I just beat Aten-Ra, gonna call it quits for the night.

Once you beat Vritra + Jormungandr + Kujata you can do pretty much anything in the game, upgrade wise. You can max the damage of the katana with the gauntlet, spaulder, app combo, get full health, get the fur, and fill out most of your equipment in general before fighting even a single guardian.

I only did about half of that though. I'm probably get the fur and spaulder before fighting Cheeki Breeki since I already had enough trouble hitting him melee in easy mode. I'm not sure if weapon fairy would break one finger or not, but I'm gonna challenge myself and not use her either way I think.

>>15387046

I'm not sure what the logistics of One Finger are, but since you can use the shields, I think it's just that you can't damage a boss using a sub weapon.

>>15386991

I'd buy it again on Switch if it was on physical

>>15388671

You can get max damage Katana before even killing Kujata, actually.

It was thanks to that I was even able to do One Finger before the nerf.

>>15388743

>You can get max damage Katana before even killing Kujata

I don't think so, you need 3 bosses before you can go to Takamagahara to buy Mekuri Master for the app combo. And I think Spaulder improves damage a bit, and considering that thing's in the Underworld that's definitely impossible without Kujata.

Sequence breaking is pretty fun in this game, even if it's not quite as wide open as the original at first. I managed to upgrade my flail before beating Vritra by first beating Nidhogg and the fish midboss in Immortal Battlefield cheesed him by throwing caltrops on him from land, going to Icefire, getting the claw, going to the hotspring that gives you lava immunity for a few minutes, and solving the block puzzle that way. That made buffed Vritra a considerably better experience.

Now that I think about it, I can probably get the final whip in the morning if I do some Underworld spelunking first. Maybe get the app to increase damage for that, as well.

>>15388743

Also, for reference, you can in fact kill Surtr as 5th and Hel as the 6th guardians, meaning that you can get the flail whip along with both La-Mulana softwares before the rest of the guardians. (Not like Hel, Aten-ra, or Anu are very hard, but Echidna is)

>>15388796

>going to the hotspring that gives you lava immunity for a few minutes, and solving the block puzzle that way

I considered trying that, but is it even necessary? If I remember you right you can just barely survive the lava without the ice cape and without the spring, if you're fast enough.

>Sequence breaking is pretty fun in this game, even if it's not quite as wide open as the original at first.

I hope so, I don't really have a problem with them locking early game alternative routes behind either obscure shortcuts or skill-intensive encounters. I'm replaying it just for the sake of it now, but I think the next go around I'll do it on normal easy just to explore the options. I'm pretty sure you can do the ice block miniboss early on to skip that two-soul door to the Shrine of the Frost Giants, but I just couldn't kill that boss with so little HP on hard.

>>15388804

>but Echidna is

You think so? I guess this is all really subjective

>>15388796

Oh right, spaulder. Wasn't thinking about that. You can get Gauntlet and the software though, because, to reiterate, I did it on hard. What's preventing you from killing something else as the third guardian? Hint: Jormungandr

>>15388888 (impressive numerals)

You can get to that part of Frost Giants yeah, but you can't get out of there without the Djedd pillar can you?

Nevermind, you totally can. Shit, that was one of my biggest roadblocks to sequencebreaking without any guardians beyond fafnir this run, thinking I can't get the sigils before beating a second boss. That means you don't even need the hotspring to get the chain whip, if swimming through the lava fast doesn't work (I don't think it does?), since you can just get the cloak. And considerably more HP than I had, if you feel like it.

Anyhow, it's 3 AM and I am just going to forget even more viable options than I did while playing, so I'm just gonna shut up now. I mean, I even forgot I actually beat 3 bosses before doing Kujata (as >>15388958 said)

I know I should probably just stop playing the game while drunk, but was exactly is turning the Sky disk in that silly old labyrinth supposed to achieve?

Is this a bug? Ra only consumed a single NPC, the one in Gate of the Dead, before moving on to summon the Ankh. I swear I remember he devoured three of them last time. Maybe they changed it to make it less of a hassle, but I kind of liked the old way.

>>15389083

Heaven's Labyrinth, the disk in the same room as the Holy Grail tablet? It should be obvious what's happening if you watch the animation. the murals

>>15389152

No, you talk to him three times. But I think a few people do disappear.

>>15388743

Katana is easily the best weapon this time around

>>15387350

Yeah, that was it. Thanks.

Now I just need to fill out the glossary, but do it on a new file because I missed the Mulbruk one.

>>15389152

Fairly certain the only necessary steps are

>talk to Horus in GotD, answer yes

>solve the white pedestal puzzle

>talk to Amunet, he disappears

<talk to Ra (C-5), he leaves

>check on Horus again

>check on Ra again

And I'm not even sure if the pinktext one was necessary or not.

>>15389433

>Katana is easily the best weapon this time around

Eh, if flail whip is easy to hit with it's the best weapon. The katana is just really easy to get really early, as soon as you beat a second boss and grab the sigils.

Damn, latest patch Echidna has a ton of health on hard mode. I hit her more than enough to kill her outright in release patch, and she's still at white health normal mode.

Or maybe you need the flame torc for her now or something? I seriously feel like I'm not hurting her at all, ven though she flashes red.

Nevermimd that spoiler, eventually managed to get her to green health second phase. Jesus fuck, that's some ridiculous health pool.

>>15390981

You actually don't need to solve the pedestals. You just go to Mausoleum, talk to him, go to the Gate, talk, and then back to Mausoleum

>beat Echidna after a bit of effort, found a way to wail on her using the platforms above her (beat her just by jumping from below originally)

>okay Anu ne-

>kill him in one try no effort

>okay, Surtr the-

>same thing

>Alsedana still hasn't fucking died after all this shit

I could swear he died after beating a guardian my first run. I need that damn talisman so I can go kick Hel's attractive rotten ass already.

>>15392002

>okay Anu ne-

>kill him in one try no effort

With one finger? That's impressive, I remember he took a lot of attempts the first time. I don't know if I had the feather or not, though.

Isn't the trigger for Alsedana dying the number of times you visit him and Fobos?

>>15391861

>You actually don't need to solve the pedestals.

I would have assumed you did since Ra needs to cross that door between the Mausoleum and the Gate, but it's true, that NPC scene triggers even without the pedestal puzzle

>>15392077

Feather, fully upgraded katana with afterimages, and possibly some luck. He swooped down somewhat regularly, I could swear I saw considerably longer times between swoops in earlier versions/battles.

I've exhausted bot Alsedana's and Fobos' dialog, the old fogey still won't croak. I have some items left to mop up, but I'm quickly running out of things I can do without opening the cursed chests which are already all ready to be opened. Can't find an explicit requirement for his death on the internet either.

>>15392077

>>15392156

Supposedly the funeral trigger is point based, where you get points based on the items you collect and it occurs 2 minutes after you reach the threshold, this potentially being delayed if you collect stuff during the waiting period. Considering the difficulty also scales with your items, it's also possible that he dies when the difficulty reaches it's maximum. I've seen speculation that the threshold in question is 140, with most items being worth about 4 points, but nothing confirmed.

>>15392221

>certainly will be winning no awards for time

My first blind playthrough took 85 hours because I was trying to play as methodically and guideless as possible, I think it took me half an hour to actually enter the Eg-Lana ruins. Your time is totally fine

>>15392223

>Considering the difficulty also scales with your items

Only the Crystal Skulls, right?

>>15392223

Whelp, I'm an idiot. I forgot I had been skipping all but one skull because they contribute a lot to enemy difficulty,, only picking up the one in the Room of Time in Immortal Battlefield because I'm pretty sure it's not reachable if you leave it.

I'll probably get him dead within minutes now.

>>15392265

>Only the Crystal Skulls, right?

Not really, both item pickups and some things like opening gates makes certain enemies from other places appear. This is more noticeable in hard mode I think, where as soon as I opened GotD Mehdjets started spawning all over Immortal Battlefield.

>>15392752

Doesn't that mural at the top look familiar?

>>15392758

Well, that's a relief. At this point, I nearly thought I ran into a game-breaking bug.

>>15392773

Yeah the statues are dumb. I got stumped too. Even when I put the correct configuration with the statues, I thought I broke the game too, or it was finnicky.

If you imagine the mural is broken into 5 sections, the statues should be at position 2 and 4, or so. That breaks open the floor

>>15392752

I got that one right completely at random just by pushing the statue's around without even understanding the mural.

>got to third phase Anu-mode on 9th Child on my first try

>had some shitty RNG, too

Well, looks like one finger's about to be done.

Wait fug, that's the fourth phase.

>>15397279

Git fucking gud; he's not that challenging after you learn how to deal with him, even on Hard.

>>15397507

I think they should at least double his contact damage, at the moment it's way too appealing to tank a hit for the sake of positioning

And even with his health buffed I still think Surtr doesn't have enough health to make the fight anything serious, once you have all of the weapon upgrades. Just a little more health, so you can't knock him out in two rounds

>>15397520

Personally, I just wish Surtr was a little safer, because as it stands, you can get knocked off into a pit by stray debris when he punches across the screen. Also, maybe it's just a case of bad positioning, but sometimes the same can happen when you're standing on the last block and more are approaching from the to

Unrelated, but anyone think it was cool how the Surtr phase in 9th Child was manifested by the tentacles?

>>15397507

Jorgy is actually easier on hard, because one of his patterns go left, fire shots, then go left again (forcing a jump). On easy, he doesn't shoot during this time, so he ends up giving you fewer attack chances

>>15397520

>>15397530

I nearly killed Surtr before he did a single punch on hard mode. As long as you stand on the very edge of a block and higher than where his flames will fall, you can just go wild with the flail whip and it won't break the block you're standing on. The arena starts off in a configuration where you can do this on the block to his left. As long as you time the moment where you bait him forward by standing in the center of his sprite well so you can do it twice, I think it might actually be possible to 1-cycle him, and you definitely should be able to on normal mode.

>>15398811

I always did that off the block that tended to drop to the right.

>>15397530

I should also add, you can just stand on his arm when he punches and hit him while on there so with what I said in >>15398811 you might very well kill him right then if it's not doable before. Might be safer than standing on the blocks at the edge as more blocks tend to fall right there in quick succession.

This game is kicking my ass.

>>15398975

>La-Mulana 2 gently welcomes you inside, gives you some tea, occasionally challenges you

>La-Mulana doesn't even open the door for you, kicks you in the teeth when you do it yourself, and continues kicking whenever you fall down

>you already feel like the second game is kicking your ass

Heh.

Did you notice the text changes? I mean a lot of tablets are slightly reworded and have additional illustrations, but every reference to the Dark Lord has been changed to the Dark Star Lord. Even the area itself is listed as the Dark Star Lord's Mausoleum in the holy grail menu.

>>15399806

I didn't exactly read much during my second run, just going by memory and notes. I believe the new name for Dark (Star) Lord is a more accurate translation, though.

Speaking of the Dark Star Lord, a bit of a tip for Aten-Ra: He's really easy to hit with the axe, and retreats after just two hits of it if you have the app combo for non-whips. Problem is, he survives the 4th cycle with just a sliver of health if you do just that. So during one or two of his vulnerable periods, hit him with the chain whip once, then axe twice for a nice quick-kill.

Might be able to be improved upon with a different combination of damage, maybe you could get him in 3 cycles somehow, but I found this sufficient to make him pretty easy as long as you hurry up with hitting the arms

>>15397279

He is a pain to beat, but it mostly is a game of patience. I will admit, though, that the game can be severely annoying when it gives you enemies that are 1% hitbox and 99% "Touch here and lose 1/5 of your health or more" box.

>>15400155

He is at least one of the most predictable bosses since he just cycles through the same attacks in the same order if someone just can't be asked or isn't doing a primary-only run certain secondary weapons can be used unless they changed his hitbox in the later updates.

>>15399307

I appreciate it being easier, the only time I looked at a guide was to remember a mantra combo since i didnt want to waste 2h combing the game over. I liked the remixed dungeon because it made the "IT WAS A CLONE OF MOTHER" plot excuse work well enough

>>15400913

Just like get katana

>>15400913

That's what makes them easy, the moment I see one disappear from my peripheral vision I just stop and prepare to hit them. They're like the birds in the overworld in the original insofar that they will invariably come fly right at you, except they're not moving at the speed of light this time.

>>15397279

He's easy as fuck with the katana.

About a certain mantra:

What the fuck was up with the mantra for getting to Nibiru? How were you supposed to know that cuneiform symbol was real and marked something important, instead of just being a phony junk symbol? Did NIGORO expect you to randomly google Anu and find out about cuneiform? Seems like complete bullshit. Am I missing something?

>>15411940

1) I just associated the symbol with the term "dark star", which does appear in the clue that tells you there's another code hidden in the footprints

2) as of 1.3.3.2 there's an illustration of that symbol on said tablet

I guess the illustration may have always been there, but it was new to me

>>15411940

No fucking joke, I read in a book the day before I started playing the game that that was a symbol for heaven

And why the fuck would you disregard a potential clue like that?

>>15411951

I remember someone complaining about this; it was apparently on the wrong Underworld Dark Lord hint, the one with the last step being reversed

>>15411951

Never seen any illustration of it at anywhere in 1.2.2.2, and I checked by searching a repository of tablet text online just to make sure if I missed anything, and I didn't.

it just looks like a bunch of pins to me, instead of a star. Especially with those triangular handle things only on certain sides.

>>15412017

You're absolutely right. I just checked it, the symbol is near the holy grail tablet.

I think I never paid attention, because the text was useless by that point in the game, because I already had the feather. Mea culpa.

Okay, now this is really bullshit.

How were you supposed to know about that breakable wall hiding the death seal in that one room in the Halls of Malice was necessary to reach the door to Spiral Hell. Did they just expect you to go back over the whole entire game with a key fairy at the last second in order to find it. Is there a hint I missed?

>>15413752

1) The nine-soul door will still open (sound and visual effect and everything) behind the wall even if the wall hasn't been broken, so you should know something is there

2) There's a tablet with an illustration of that room, the one that says "there is a door to the spiral boat somewhere in the ruins" or however they phrase it

>>15415482

I liked the meta puzzles in LM1 the most, mostly about how the maps condense into a 4x5 shape. LM2 had better graphics and felt more fluid. Both games had a fantastic soundtrack, though some tracks were forgettable in the second game, the ones that stood out were fantastic.

Overall, I think the first is objectively better, but I want to like the sequel more. Brahma's puzzle was also pretty cool. Haven't played the original

>>15415482

No hell yet, see my conjectures above about Spring in the Sky in ruined La-Mulana

>>15415610

> but I don't think anyone who's played the original is in the right position to impartially judge the difficulty of the sequel.

I completely agree. When you get the "hang" of the game and can tell second meanings in the hints or easily discern between hints for the meta puzzles later on. It happened to me with the Dark Lord's Footprints puzzle.

That's mostly why I wanted to know other people opinions about the difficulty.

> which is better (or at least it's more in line with my taste) than any other games in the "genre".

Are you thinking about Metroidvanias?. To my mind La-Mulana series has such unique focus (Difficult puzzles with a lot of exploration) compared to say Castlevania (Combat) or Metroid (Exploration), That makes it hard to compare it to others "metroidvanias" or even say it's not one. Or perhaps am I missing games with the same focus of La-Mulana?

Any advice for how to get through the final boss's third phase without eating a ton of damage? I've gotten him very close a few times on the last phase and could probably do it if I didn't always come in with low health from the third phase.

>>15415766

Shoot, that's right, I remember that image from the trailer being a lot more complex.

>>15423901

I seem to remember tanking damage on the mini-lasers (the ones that don't come from above) and tentacles, since they only do 1 damage. Then I used either axe or whip to take out the face. Make sure to keep up with the elevators and try not to fall and get stunned.

>>15415610

>you'll never realize that Mother is an alien for the first time again

Well, I can't anymore

>>15423981

I-I'm sorry, I didn't think anyone completely new to the game would read the thread that thoroughly.

>>15423901

I didn't think the third phase was all that bad, it's just that if you get knocked out of the cycle it's almost impossible to recover. Best advice is to just learn the pattern and predict when/where the rising tentacles will appear. Second advice is that when you leap off the tentacle to come back to the ground, save your double-jump so that you can keep Lumisa from falling on her back, so that you ensure you don't miss the next tentacle.

>>15423954

>>15424034

I got him. I didn't realize that there was so little damage from everything other than his eye lasers. Still a tough cunt.

Did the escape sequence feel really anti-climatic and kind of jank to anyone else? There's no time limit, you can save at the grail tablet, and the only hard part is that the minibosses in spiral hell are still there and can shoot you and make you fall off the ropes while you're climbing (which doesn't matter because there's no time limit and because of the grail tablet). It feels like a major step down from the first game/remake's escape sequence, which wasn't very hard either but at least had some tension.

>>15423901

It's easy as fuck. Just wait for the beam to appear. You can stand there a second or two before it hurts you, then jump out immediately to avoid taking damage. Even if you bump into the eyeball things, they do very little damage. Just avoid the laz0rz.

>>15423981

Here's a spoiler if you want the full context

For whatever reason, the entity known as Mother crashed onto a barren Earth. There were plants and animals, perhaps, but no intelligent life. This was basically during some period of prehistory. Mother wanted to return to the heavens so she created intelligent life.

Each generation of children was bound to Mother's will and worked collectively to return her to the sky. Every time the race strayed too far from its intended purpose, grew too powerful, or tried to take her power for their own use, she caused an apocalypse and killed the civilization and then started a new generation of children.

The second generation, the Giants, came closest, bulidling much of the ruins. Their plan was to make a water-powered rocket, it didn't work and their purpose fell apart so Mother caused ruination on them. Eventually, some of the later races had a less powerful bond to Mother and made plans to kill her, but needed a later generation (current humanity) to do it.

Some of this is mentioned in brief detail early on in the game, eg I believe Fobos tells you a bit here and there, or a lot of the Elder's tablets in the old ruins explain the history somewhat.