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>>15272124

Probably. I always assumed this shit meant the Orz drank the blood of their kills and that was the *sauce*.

>>15272145

They sound like this, which just makes them even stranger.

>>15272145

>What the fuck does this fucker even sound like?

I imagine them to sound kinda flamboyant, with a reverb effect

>>15272172

oh, well, i was basically right.

>>15272172

Damn. Nevermind then, that thing sounds like it really wants to suck your dick.

>>15272172

You can hear very faintly their real "voice" below the translator

>>15272191

>>15272181

Pretty much, i always assumed that over the top voice was their attempt at seeming friendly, but i dunno. I can't tell whether they even understand what deception is, they seem really open about doing horrible shit and the closest they come to keeping secrets is attacking you if you ask about the androsynth too much.

>>15272197

Yup that plus once they start explaining their biology is the point where talking with them goes from silly to nod, smile, and get the fuck out asap.

>>15272230

So they aren't made of molecules?

>>15272172

they say you can't see them because they are not reflected light, and they are not *many bubbles* either which I understand to be atoms. Now what the fuck they're made of I don't know. They're probably all part of the same thing too, which means the Orz we see is an illusion, our brain's manner of understanding this thing.

>>15272255

So we can't cum inside them?

>>15272261

probably not but they can make you the *special sauce* which is almost as good

>>15272255

It always felt like the Orz would have made a great main antagonist, shame star control never got a 3rd game. I always had them join me because their ships were really good.

>>15272294

I never understood why their ships specials was to launch an Orz "Space Marine." Like, that's the best you can throw at your enemies? You're supposedly a being that we witness as multiple creatures of the same race, you're from outside of our dimension, and yet a space marine is the trick you've got for space combat? Lame.

It's literally space Cthulhu who is reaching into our plane of existence, and these creatures are only its fingers. Orz is the biggest threat to the entire galaxy right after the Ur-Quan and the dormant potential of the talking pets. Sure, it's beneficial to ally with them to tackle the more immediate threats but if that thing ever truly enters our space, peppers are going to jump.

>>15272340

>he doesn't understand the Mycon

get a load of this Non

>>15272124

Nnnnnggggaaaahhhhh!!!!!! It is *dancing*!!!!

>>15272464

And I guess we fuck everything up when we just show up on their *house* and make ourselves known to them. A sequel that deals with the consequences of this and explains more in-depth what exactly the Arilou made to us would be great.

>>15272464

Yeah but why did the Orz wipe out the Androsynth though? Or am I grossly misunderstanding the words play, game, camper, and sauce? Like they don't run some higher dimensional sauce camp and want to introduce us to the sauce games?

>>15272537

>why

I don't think they see it as "wiping out" or even as a bad thing. I'm not sure they wiped them out either and are not instead torturing them forever in inconceivable ways in their home dimension. Or maybe they ARE just having a party after all and the Arilou are the actual enemy.

Best theme

>>15272580

I mean the fact that they act friendly toward humans and not the androsynth is suspicious but who knows I bet those uberfags couldn't appreciate high energy partying.

A small question, do I have to play the original Star Control in order to appreciate the second one? And if not, is it still worth playing?

>>15272630

No and no.

>>15272537

>why

'cus. iunno, there's no solid explanation for why. the Orz say they prefer our dimension better. what specifically drives them to attack people who become aware of their existence is never explained. the Arilou refer to the 'lower' beings as parasites, though, and the Orz complain about the Arilou 'jumping in front'.

>>15272600

humans are protected by the Arilou while androsynth are not, so there's for some degree of difference between them. if the Orz likes our dimension better it makes sense for them to not attack everything, but why they couldn't wipe everything out because >higher dimensional being meme or why they attack you if you ask about the androsynth i don't know either. >>15272495, basically. it would be an interesting topic to cover

>>15272657

Are The Ur-Quan Masters a good port then?

>>15272677

Yes, definitely.

>>15272600

If I recall correctly, the Arilou meddled with human genes so Orz couldn't *smell* us.

The original creators of the game somewhat confirmed that the Orz were the tentacles of an interdimensional space parasite looking for its next meal, which they found in anyone that was researching IDF or asking too many questions related to it.

>>15272302

Nah, it was the spinning cannon that makes for a nice early-game game-breaker.

>>15272842

I could never get the hang of it. The AI is always much better at using it.

Remember how the orz were talking about how you have no smell and they are so happy they found you.

>>15272124

>>15272537

I always thought the Orz accidentally killed them during whatever dimensional fuckery experiment the Androsynth were doing that brought the Orz there in the first place. That's why they react violently when they're questioned about it - they're embarrassed or ashamed about wiping out what they later discovered to be intelligent life.

Fortunately else nobody gave a shit about the Androsynth anyway.

>>15272495

>>15272294

You guys know the OG creators are trying to make a sequel right but Stardock is being kikes and trying to stop them

>>15272537

Alien species are *bubbles* to them while they are *fingers*. What happens to a bubble when a finger touches it anon? Simply by being they kill.

>>15272172

Wasn't it stated by the creators that these fucks where the manifestation of some being from an alternate universe that pretty much wants to eat everyone else?

>>15273752

The creators said that the Orz are "Them", I think.

>>15272172

>Their theme music is just the word "DIE" pitch shifted to various different degrees.

>>15272124

considering how pissed they get if you bring it up im sure they *squeezed* the shit out of their *juice*. i dont know why they get angry about it though, theyre pretty straightforward about killing you.

maybe it was an accident? but their interactions with you seem pretty deliberate, could it really have been an accident?

i think the ariloulaleelaylmaos give off the impression that the orz is something childish. children might get pretty pissed if they have a balloon that pops. or sometimes if theyre called out on something they know they werent supposed to do.

>>15273744

if your fingers are wet and clean or soapy enough the bubble will be fine for a while. maybe they had to *grease* their fingers with the androsynth to even be able to interact with the captain in this unnerving but peaceful manner.

>>15275626

i have never noticed that. thats pretty horrifying. now i know where they got the sound for that scary ghost ships weapon in that one timeshift super melee game.

>>15275743

I haven't played the game in a while, but my impression was that the Orz pushed the Androsynth out of existence and replaced them. Based on what happened to the guy who destroyed all the records to protect everyone, being pushed out by the Orz is gruesome as fuck.

Is that lawsuit still happening between them and stardock? The creators for the series seem to be sperging out more and more about random things nowadays.

>>15280193

I did too but I don't remember there being much to it.

>>15281038

Its true it was pretty simple but as it goes it was well presented which is whatI mostly meant.

Are these games any good? I always see this posted everywhere and I really like the unique artstyle.

>>15285589

It's pretty much mass effect but like 20 years before mass effect, the aliens are actually alien and there's no forced relationshit.

>>15285755

God fucking hell anon, that filename kills me. Hysterical.

>>15275809

I'm not quite sure what happened to the observer Androsynth was any actual conscious action by the Orz, it might very well be that actually seeing the true Orz just does that to you.

>>15272124

The Androsynth research into the Extradimensional Fatigue phenomenon alerted extradimensional parasites (Orz) to their presence, and the Androsynth were either taken over by Orz or destroyed by Orz; this is unclear. Whatever happened, the Androsynth research allowed Orz to begin manifesting in truespace, and Orz prefers it in truespace as it does not "hurt," which its original habitat "below" did. The Orz you see are just projections of a single extra dimensional being known as Orz, which may or may not be malicious to humanity. The Arilou warn us not to trust the Orz, but they themselves have ulterior motives for humanity so there is no real definitive answer as to whether or not the Orz want to do the same to us as they did to the Androsynth.

>>15285261

How about I squeeze your juice

>>15285755

>>15285846

filename changed

>>15285645

>who is Talana

But yeah I can't really whine about it because she was hot and not a pain in the ass

>>15275626

those are just just default midi sounds, the scooby doo like sound in the same theme is named as "scooby", still it could have been added on propourse

>>15285968

Talana looks like a clown, i find it hard to see her attractive

>>15278980

Yes, but you can't call them the "creators for the series" because despite being factually accurate, it's inconvenient for Stardock.

Most recently the battle for trademark "The Ur-Quan Masters" has begun, along with many of Fred/Paul's alien race names, with the most recent event being last Tuesday. Stardock's claim biggest is currently under the eyes of a Legal Instruments Examiner, so it might crumble, given that they utterly fail b.1.ii and b.2 for all related marks while Fred/Paul meet both.

>>15286652

If they'd be big enough to cuddle, they'd be big enough to eat you.

>>15287229

They kind of have a point about the "creators of series" part, always pisses me off how people tend to call one or two people that when they have a large team working for them. See: Kojima, Mr. Shitface, Peter Molyneux, etc.

Might be because I'm a programmer myself, but I know how often people in teams disregard their instructions to instead create shit that works. Creative Directors are like a client; they tell you what they think they want, not what they actually want and usually change what they want all the time anyway.

That said, I have very little knowledge about laws related to this case, especially American versions of said laws. Nor can I seem to find anything about what happened last Tuesday, got some links to news about that and maybe some place that lists what those b.1.ii and b.2 things are?

>>15287257

So are dogs, so what? Presumably they'd be domesticated before the cuddling initiates.

>>15272319

I put poison in his mutton

>>15287257

they would also die from asphyxiation because the respiratory systems of bugs and spiders are super weak

>>15272236

It's a 4D entity, the hint of this is when it describes itself as many bubbles. Bubbles would be like what 3D space and entities would look like to a 4D being because it's seeing the atoms that comprise the universe.

>>15289690

*

not many bubbles

>>15288126

>They kind of have a point about the "creators of series" part, always pisses me off how people tend to call one or two people that when they have a large team working for them.

That isn't the case here at fucking all, though. Star Control was entirely them, and Star Control 2 had just a bit of guest dialogue, some explicitly free use music tracks made by fans of the game, and everything else was them or their employees who were explicitly under their instruction and directorial control. The concepts and copyright of every character, race, and asset belong to them except the Trademark of Star Control itself, which is just a mark. They are the developers, designers, and nearly sole members of Toys for Bob, with a sparse few assistants; most acquired because working in the modern market, on modern systems, is more time consuming. Accolade is closer to what you're saying Paul/Fred did as "creative directors" and they were not significantly involved in the process. The only reason Paul/Fred in deep shit is because they weren't proactive enough to start battling for race names sooner.

You can see Amendment to Allege Use here:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/37/2.76

and the activity Tuesday was a personal call on the Ur-Quan Masters trademark on Stardock's side. You can see it in the trademark docs under 'Public Note'.

b.1.ii is a blatant loss for Stardock because they do not own the rights to commercial products Star Control I, II, or III, and they do not own any part of the "Ur-Quan Masters" project. Paul/Fred do own the rights to commercial product Star Control II, which has "The Ur-Quan Masters" as a subtitle and significant artifact.

b.2 is also a blatant lost for Stardock in the same way, as they are not in any case or circumstance using "The Ur-Quan Masters" or any of the race names in a viable mark context, while Paul/Fred do.

Both of these problems could be patched over if Stardock somehow claims Star Control I, II, and III as their own product line, even though they do not, I repeat, do not own those rights. You can see an appropriate and legitimate copyright claim here:

https://archive.fo/DjAKB

>>15289690

>>15289707

Being 4D does not magically make 3D beings only perceivable as atoms, nor does it imply you're not made of atoms. Many bubbles just means that as a species, we're many different separate beings, whereas all the Orz are a (part of a) single one.

>>15289840

I love how sure you are about something you couldn't possibly know anything about.

>>15289826

also forgot to mention that Fred Ford is a one-man-army programmer and that entire aspect of the I and II was him, where most of the few supporting crewmembers that exist worked on voices and dialogue and some music.

Ports brought in a few extra programmers sometimes depending on how familiar Fred was, but that was because of intense time constraints between releases given by Accolade.

Greg Johnson (not the white supremacist) is third most significant contributor and he was mostly there for dialogue and his experience with Starflight. Others like Erol and co. did concept art and manual art, not so much content inside the game. He also isn't participating in this spat and doesn't seem too interested in general, busier with Toejam & Earl.

>>15289856

Niggr it's just an additional dimension. Just like you can see 2D things on the screen you're looking at, 4D things see 3D things as just a "flat" object in the 4th dimension.

Hyperdimensionality isn't that difficult for simple hypershapes at least, pay more attention in math class next time.

>>15289826

>>15289893

I see, didn't know Fred did almost all the work himself, and I assume Paul was the main designer and artist then. Proving that legally is going to be a bitch though, unless they also happen to have contracts from potential other workers that say they give copyright of any work they may have done to Paul and Fred.

> the activity Tuesday was a personal call on the Ur-Quan Masters trademark on Stardock's side

Okay now that sounds downright scummy. And like something they'd lose, they own the term Star Control not UQM.

>because they do not own the rights to commercial products Star Control I, II, or III

Actually, I'm fairly sure they own the copyright to SCII, or at least anything that was in SCIII and not the older ones, plus of the game itself. Not that that'll do them any good since those are shit and SCIII lacked many of the features present in SCII and Origins.

>b.1.ii and b.2

Hmm, I wonder if them selling the games on Steam could count as commercial use and thus would actually give them certain rights, or rather gave Atari rights that they sold to Stardock. Paul and Fred's main claim is that the term Star Control wasn't used for 10+ years and thus they'd have lost their trademark, but since they entered an agreement to sell the games on GOG Atari may have been able to regain those rights and maybe even more.

>>15290143

>Actually, I'm fairly sure they own the copyright to SCII

Read the copyright I linked in the archive.is, this is blatantly false and misinformation Stardock has been perpetuating. In plain speak, here is the situation:

<Toys for Bob should be able to make a game with any content from Star Control II in particular (and I by proxy) but not name it "Star Control", which they aren't.

<Stardock should be able to make a game named "Star Control" that has no code, audiovisual content, or likenesses, at all, from prior games. They could maybe get away with completely reimagining the races and just using the same names, too, though.

That's essentially what they had planned to do with Origin, but for some reason Brad backpedaled and decided to force an exchange.

>Proving that legally is going to be a bitch though

It is already legally proven via copyright and not a single other claimant is contesting them.

>Paul and Fred's main claim is that the term Star Control wasn't used for 10+ years and thus they'd have lost their trademark

This is not the claim at all in any way. They are talking about copyright, which is completely different from trademark. Atari had the trademark for Star Control indefinitely and sold it; they only had access to copyright content temporarily and within definite limits, as a lease.

>but since they entered an agreement to sell the games on GOG Atari may have been able to regain those rights and maybe even more

Both Atari and Stardock sold the games through GOG/Steam illegally and cannot assert these instances as some claim to commerce.

sage because this post provided no additional information

(same guy with different IP here)

>>15290782

I meant SCIII, not sure how that third I got dropped. This much should be obvious from the text thereafter.

>this is not the claim in any way at all

You're right, it wasn't about the mark for Star Control, but the subsequent trademarks for other terms that thereby give them rights to use said things (including Fwiffo for instance). From their counterclaim:

<121. These claims are false. To the extent that Stardock argues that the use of these names within Star Control I and II constituted use as trademarks in commerce (which is a dubious claim at best), they were abandoned by Accolade/Atari since at least 2000, and the names have been used continuously by Reiche and Ford in connection with offering THE UR-QUAN MASTERS since 2002.

<125. Stardock claims that the purported PRECURSORS mark has been in use in commerce through sales of the games by Accolade, Atari, and then Stardock, which is also false. […] Moreover, as with the other names discussed above, to the extent that Stardock argues that the use of the name PRECURSORS within Star Control I and II constituted use as a trademark in commerce, it was abandoned by Accolade/Atari since 2000, and the name has been used continuously by Reiche and Ford in connection with offering THE UR-QUAN MASTERS since 2002.

Although recently they also have made statements about Stardock not owning the mark for Star Control itself, see this video, starting at 13:00 but especially at 14:30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RuLAtF9f6E though frankly the entire video is interesting, suggest watching it all.

>Both Atari and Stardock sold the games through GOG/Steam illegally

Nope, P&F agreed to the GOG sales with Atari, they even say so themselves. Nothing there changed when Atari was swapped out for Stardock in said agreement either, until Stardock put the games on Steam and shit hit the fan.

As a side note, I really want to see the documents from when Atari sold shit to Stardock. There's got to be a reason Stardock are so cocksure about owning tons of things Paul and Fred disagree on, what if Atari promised shit they didn't own?

>>15291088

>I meant SCIII, not sure how that third I got dropped. This much should be obvious from the text thereafter.

SCIII content is neither claimed as canon nor do Toys for Bob care much about it, so I think Stardock would probably be fine to use that stuff.

>other terms that thereby give them rights to use said things (including Fwiffo for instance)

You sincerely underestimate how petty this whole thing is. Trademarking does not give them the rights to use such things, and the reason it is being done is merely to add pressure to Paul/Fred to give up their legally acquired and maintained intellectual property. They'd make a lot of money by doing so, selling/leasing it out, but Stardock are retarded and decided to pursue a project they clearly weren't going to get permission for and now if they back out they're losing thousands of man-hours.

>Nope, P&F agreed to the GOG sales with Atari, they even say so themselves.

This is not true; Atari's bundling of Star Control was not legally sound and they compromised by accepting a share of the revenue over two contracts (one for Atari and one for them) instead of shutting it down outright. Stardock began doing the same thing Atari did initially but also on Steam and games Paul/Fred had absolutely nothing to do with made by a company neither of them seem to want to touch with a ten-foot pole. Steam distribution was also removed at around the same time GOG's was.

You can see the relevant blog here:

https://www.dogarandkazon.com/blog/2017/12/4/star-control-i-ii-and-iii-arent-for-sale-on-gogcom-any-more-how-come

Notably Star Control III was also presumed to be their content and part of their distributing agreement. It's not really the most pertinent thing, but it does show other massive companies *behaving* as though Paul/Fred have the copyright to all this content, which corroborates their story on an intra-industry level, something I hope the courts take note of.

>As a side note, I really want to see the documents from when Atari sold shit to Stardock. There's got to be a reason Stardock are so cocksure about owning tons of things Paul and Fred disagree on, what if Atari promised shit they didn't own?

I think this is most likely the case and Atari should be bearing the brunt of enabling predatory business practices via predatory business practices. Companies do really fucking dumb things when they're going broke.

>>15272124

The horror is just *knowing* enough legitimate knowledge about the orz or their dimension is enough to make a "connection" and essentially ring the dinner bell to be reached by the fingertips of the malevolent lovecraft type being others have mentioned in the thread.

It may imply it's forbidden information that if quantified by being "physical" stored in a mind is enough to bridge a gap and let THEM in, etc…

Andro's made the mistake of analyzing and becoming aware of it and immediately faced the consequences of being "reached".

>>15291301

*Also yes, they're all around us at any given time, in another dimension they just can't "find" us or reach us until you make the mistake of giving them that window.

>>15294532

their mech suits are really something. it costs 1 hitpoint to launch one but the marine "projectile" has 3 hp.

>>15272124

>>15272172

The Orz, along with the Dnyarri, may be the only genuinely evil race in Star Control.

Did nobody else want to be aided in their reproduction by the Supox?

>>15294620

>Many *fingers* who like *spicy parties* and getting the *GO! GO!* in *heavy space*

>Evil

Orz are absolutely bro-tier. Get outta here, *quick baby*.

>>15272340

At least we know what the Mycon are and there is a rational explanation as to their nature. The Orz are a bit more out there.

Terraforming organisms that went a bit too long without precursor attention and corrupted over time

WHY DON'T YOU PEOPLE GET IT?! THE ORZ ARE THE ANDROSYNTH! OPEN YOUR EYES!

THE PARASITES HAVE TAKEN THEM OVER! THERE ARE NO ANDROSYNTH HERE! ONLY ORZ ARE HERE!

>>15296199

are you retarded or did you just not read the thread

>>15296310

It's an obvious shitty joke

You look more retarded than he does now

>>15296332

you are a lesser being. you are worth less than the filth on the bottom of my shoe

haha, just joking. didn't get it? damn you're retarded

They can squeeze my juice all day.

>>15296468

>a complete rip off.

i see where the inspiration is drawn but thats a hell of a stretch.

>>15296468

Try to make a note of which systems near Sol give high resources and hit them up while doing a bit of diplomacy. Get early fuel cells and cargo bays while you visit the Spaathi and Pkunk, since those star systems are fairly safe, though you might get fucked by a WE COME IN PEACE DRONE. Also any time you see a planet with lifeforms on it to harvest, take it - the tech upgrades you get from those are practically mandatory. As soon as you get enough money to deck out your ship with full thrusters/turn modules, and a couple extra ships in your bays, you can head out. You can make a lot of money in no in-game time by taking fights against the Ur-quan/Kor-Ah in ZFP space, or by fighting Slylandro probes while you explore around the map. Basically as soon as you can stop resourcing, sell off most of your cargo bays. You should still scout out planets for lifeforms and expensive minerals but that's it.

>>15297551

Maybe not a complete rip off, I guess I saw lots of people compare star control to mass effect in a pretty literal way and I mean yeah theres only a few mechanics they share, so my hyperbolic comment wasnt that warranted, I'll take star control's ship combat over mass effect's third person shooter gameplay anyday nontheless.

>>15297669

Thanks for the tips ! I'll have to keep in mind which planet has the most ressources from color (Im getting pretty good at it except for carbyde/radioactive planets), although yeah I might aswell just scan every planets in case theres lifeforms on them especially at the start for biological data/credits , maybe ill try to find some rainbow worlds too, that would be worth the time in many ways (theyre all pretty far tho so that might wait a bit).

Does resolving the Slylandro probes problem still give you RU when you use the code their original user give you ?

>>15298289

Yeah, it counts as killing them. They'll get less and less common after the problem's been solved though so you won't be able to profit much.

>>15296468

Kill VUX ships with the earthling cruiser. There is also a rainbow world in VUX space which should give you 500 credits once you find it.

>>15272124

They killed Devo. I'll always hate them.

>>15299382

I'd say the next thing you need to do is get the portal thing from the *quick babies* .

>>15299785

>>15296468

i felt like you didnt have to worry too much about moneys if you were killing slylandro probes. the spathi makes a joke of them like it does almost everything else controlled by the ai.

>>15285589

Yes, they are good.Play the Ur Quan Masters version, it's free.

>>15303097

Ur-Quan Masters combat is WAY too fucking fast though. Those retards need to slow it down but they have their own retarded belief on the subject and we just have to eat the shit right out of their asses.

>>15303350

Wait, combat isn't supposed to be that fast? I could swear the combat in the creators' GDC talk was just as fast, and they would probably say something about it if it were too quick.

>>15306006

There is a pseudo-amphibian race in Umgah space.

Yeah I remember in star control 2, you could backpedal with the human ship and it was Op af l, but in Ur-Quan, the ship was so slow it was useless.

>>15308325

If you manage to stay in the corner you can make the other ship go back and forth and never reach you instead of commiting to a direction. Doesn't work with all ships but it should for the ones that are faster than the cruiser but not so much like the Dill-rat Avenger, both Ur-Quan ships etc.

Be honest

How many people here only know about SC2 now because of the Legal Battle or video review Walrus made? Because we used to get maybe 3 Star Control threads a year and suddenly we have like 20 in the span of 2 months.

>>15309203

I know about it because anons made posts about it in the past and it caught my attention.

>>15309203

More likely a rolling effect. Personally it caught my attention due to the threads about Star Control probably made because of renewed interest from the lolsuit, and now I've started looking into the lolsuit due to the interest I gained from the threads and playing the game.

I have no idea at all who "Walrus" is.

>>15285830

They don't come off as genuine evil just semi blundering/destructive on first contact and considering their extra dimensional nature it's to be expected, also who knows how the Androsynths reacted to them popping up, maybe they were real dicks and the Orz just steam rolled them with better tech/individual deaths not really mattering.

>>15315441

I guess we'll only know what they're all about when we manage to translate *party* properly. Maybe they think we're inviting them to consume us when we *spit* with them about alliances and such.

Why can't indieshits make pixel art as good as this anymore?

>>15315530

I like to think that *party* means fighting to the "death". I don't think Orz knows what death is, and since a lot of the encounters hint to the likelihood of reincarnation perhaps Orz wouldn't care about death even if Orz knew. We're all living in *slow time* after all, just *campers* who don't seem to move like Orz do.

>>15316229

fighting is *dancing* and death/killing is *dissolving*. *party* is something else, maybe much more sinister.

>>15316302

*dancing* happens in *parties*.

>>15316318

I don't think they're related though

The most fun in sc2 is getting mycon to kill themselves by darting behind them as an arilou. Their shots are guided back to them if done right.

>>15316337

Weird choice of words, the way Orz talks makes me think that Orz just wants to have fun. *below* hurts Orz, maybe Orz so bored that Orz can't keep mind together, but *above* is *frumple*. I have no clue what *frumple* could mean, possibly means confusion. NNNNGGGHHH could be the frustration that comes from fighting, maybe that's why Orz also likes to *play* by saying words. Maybe that's why Orz is in *heavy space* but not yet. Orz is here for *campers*. Orz wants to be *happy campers*. I also think that Arilou could be *jumping in front* by placing their energetic signature in front of *campers* so that they can't be *smelled*.

Since Orz pushed the Androsynth out of our universe, is it possible "there are no androsynth, there is only orz" means Orz simply repurposed the androsynth's *bubbles* for its own use to interact with our reality? Are what we see just the Orz wearing dead andro corpse goop like a hat?

>>15316407

You have to wrap your head around the fact that these are very rough approximations instead of taking them at face value. For example: below doesn't hurt Orz, it is *hurt*. See the difference? *hurt* is some quality of below which is probably closer to uncomfortable than "hurt". Also I think the *jumping in front* might be the Arilou using their tech for quick interdimensional travelling and escaping the Orz, and not them protecting others, because they haven't shown interest in anyone besides humans.

>>15316423

Could be, I hadn't thought of that.

so what exactly are the androsynth? they dont exactly cover that in ur quan masters. their name implies that theyre an artificial life form, and i think i heard that humans created them. but what did they create them from? why did they join the hierarchy? are they partly human or entirely artificial?

>>15317201

they are human clones that can't repdroduce naturally and were created to be servants. Since we, being the imbeciles we are gave them free will, eventually they implemented a plan to flee en mass to another system. The Ur-Quan defeated them shortly after the Spathi, I think.

Star Control 2 is fucking unplayable garbage. Another "/v/ approved classic" that is actually shit like MOTHER 3.

>>15317201

Androsynth are genetically engineered clone humans used as pretty much slave labor (partially because of a cult started by a car salesman), who obviously weren't very happy with that idea. They fucked off to Taalo territory after a bunch of shit happened, got conquered by the Ur-Quan (before SC1), and joined as Battle Thralls.

Fucking captcha, I wrote this 4 hours ago and forgot the check if it actually went through

>>15316374

> Hopefully the lawsuit doesn't discourage them from doing so.

Given where the lolsuit is headed that is exactly what is going to happen.