c476be No.15268046
I'm planning on playing a game that everyone says is better on controller. What is the most cost effective controller to get for PC? Don't really care about GayStation vs Xbone. I'm fine with either layout.
Also please no meme controllers like pic related.
18fcba No.15268057
Just get a Logitech F310. I played it with GTA 3 and it works okay. Just don't press anything too hard on it.
8287ba No.15268060
Steam controllers are shit. Touchpad is a meme, a shitty meme at that, also the back buttons are annoying and you accidently hit them if you squeeze the grip.
I bought one, regretted it and bought an xbox controller from amazon.
37fc20 No.15268064
A good wired controller like the wired 360 controller. You are not going to find a good dpad on any controller nowadays regardless.
18fcba No.15268074
>>15268057
Also to add, the d-pad I got was a bit loose. Like it almost looks like it's going to pop off but it still stays in place.
a0c078 No.15268105
>>15268046
A 3shitty controller works if you don't mind the dpad. In that case, get something like a Hori Fighting Commander, or the SFIV pads, though those are getting rare.
>>15268057
>>15268074
Nigger, fuck off. The F310 is absolute dogshit not even worth 20 shekels it's sold at.
>shitty floaty dpad that fails to register in certain directions after prolonged use
>cheap cord that tears after a tight wrap around
2e8f2d No.15268120
Rock candy controllers. You get what you pay for.
d40ede No.15268121
I bought the Steam Controller used from a reseller and I legitimately don't use anything else anymore.
Seriously give it a try, the only thing it doesn't work with are city builders, RTSs and the like.
It's a great controller and the customization options are endless.
>inb4 shill
18fcba No.15268126
>>15268121
>steam controller
okay but can you play csgo with it?
6fb322 No.15268129
>>15268057
>Just get a Logitech F310
best bang to buck
>>15268105
>Nigger, fuck off.
>proceeds to list problems even a gorilla wouldn't have
this is what projection looks like
d40ede No.15268131
15c59d No.15268134
probably the 360 controller. i don't own an xbox one, but did own a 360 years ago. i recently bought an xb1 controller for pc and the bumpers suck ass. the 360 controller was superior from what i remember
18fcba No.15268138
>>15268105
>after prolonged use
Exact details?
a0c078 No.15268141
>>15268129
>proceeds to buy a controller only a poor nigger gorilla would get
Nice projection nigger.
>>15268121
>>15268131
>buying a meme touch controller
>that horrendous button layout
>playing FPS with a controller ever
Kill yourself valvecuck.
d40ede No.15268150
>>15268141
I gave it a chance and liked it a lot, I use it for mostly single player stuff though.
Don't be such a faggot, I'm sure you'd enjoy it if you actually tried it.
a0c078 No.15268151
>>15268138
I've had two F310s and one of them had a hard time going left on the dpad, while another had problems pressing down. It's a fucking trash controller and literally the only reason to own one is if you're dirt ass crack-smoking nigger tier poor.
a0c078 No.15268158
>>15268150
>I use it for mostly single player stuff though.
Yeah, I'm sure fighting games and 2D platformers that require precise input work wonders with it.
>I'm sure you'd enjoy it if you actually tried it.
Nope, I'm not a faggot who buys into meme controllers with objectively bad button layouts when I got a 360 controller for 3D games, and an old SFIV pad for 2D games.
18fcba No.15268161
>>15268151
>>15268150
I get what you mean but most of the time I use the F310 for emulated games from SNES and N64. Modern games nowadays require faster responses and that's what I believe the controller would not be a good idea for those kind of games. Old games would be fine.
d40ede No.15268172
>>15268158
>getting angry about something you haven't even used
Nigger think what you want, I've been playing Hollow Knight with it and it's as good as a 360 controller, which I also own, so I can actually make the comparison.
Probably wouldn't work with fighting games, but I'm also not a giant faggot that plays them so I wouldn't know.
6fb322 No.15268186
>>15268161
>Modern games nowadays require faster responses
I can no longer see what the nigger keeps writing, but what are you even on about? I beat Furi with the F310 and that is a fairly fast paced game
a0c078 No.15268190
>>15268161
>I get what you mean but most of the time I use the F310 for emulated games from SNES and N64.
I'm sorry you're gimping yourself like that.
>Old games would be fine.
Nope, as I used my F310s for emulating a lot shit when I was in college. After the dpad shat itself a second time and the cord tore itself (which might just be me, but then again I've wrapped tons of controller cords and the logitech one is the only time I saw one tear), I just switched to the 360 controller newer and 3D games and the SFIV pad for fighters and emulating 8 and 16 bit games.
It's shit, like the Valve meme controller.
>>15268172
> I've been playing Hollow Knight with it and it's as good as a 360 controller,
So you had a decent controller around but you still wasted money on a controller that's not good for a majority of games.
>Probably wouldn't work with fighting games, but I'm also not a giant faggot that plays them so I wouldn't know.
t. fag who can't into fighting games and is nigger level retarded at finding a decent 6 button pad or stick.
a0c078 No.15268201
>>15268186
>waaaaah he called out my shitty purchase of a controller
>better filter him that'll show em!
d0d49e No.15268218
>>15268046
why would you want a controller? they're objectively inferior, the only advantage is using a stick wheel thing for moving around instead of WASD but they're both 8 directions so it's not that big of a deal
d40ede No.15268221
>>15268190
>So you had a decent controller around but you still wasted money on a controller that's not good for a majority of games.
Does mommy not give enough good boy points to buy a 20$ controller?
I like trying new things and different weird tech so I can make my own opinions about it. Cry me a river.
>>15268201
>he's so blinded with rage because of a controller that he can't even check IDs
Peak idiocy right here damn
fddbfe No.15268237
>>15268046
>I'm planning on playing a game that everyone says is better on controller.
'Everyone' is usually retarded. If you have full control of the camera, KB+M is always better.
22d542 No.15268246
>>15268218
keyboard and mouse are objectively inferior for most genres and their build quality varies significantly as does the feature set.
18fcba No.15268255
>>15268246
>keyboard and mouse are objectively inferior
shut the fuck up you fucking nigger
71a1a0 No.15268260
>>15268246
controllers are objectively inferior for most genres and their build quality varies significantly as does the feature set.
d7c1d6 No.15268287
>>15268046
Buy a DS2+adapter or a DS3+bluetooth receiver, they're pretty much the best controllers you can get for PC, but you shouldn't pay more than 30 dollars for them unless the controllers are legit and brand new.
Alternatively there's some pretty good 8bitdos for 40-60 dollars; they're bluetooth, usb c, compatible with pc/phone/shitch, have vibration and motion in case you're up for some WAGGLAN or just want to massage your testicles, good battery life, a great dpad (the SF30 Pro has a stiff one and you can't do diagonals as well as you could on previous 8bitdos, but it can be fixed with a little tape, no joke, blame the chinks for adding badly placed joysticks) and they're ergonomic as fuck, which is something most chinese retaliers forget to add to their bootlegs controllers.
You already know the steam controller is a complete meme, so i won't comment on it.
Do not fall for the DS4, Wii U and Switch controller meme, they're lacking a lot of things you'll need for proper emulation.
Wii U and Switch controllers don't have analog triggers, that shit right there kills most racing games because you'll go full speed all the time, they don't have analog buttons either so say goodbye to proper PS2 emulation, both are expensive as well, Switch because bugmen drove up demand for it and Wii U's because scalpers bought them all and they want you to pay 70 shekels for one.
DS4 is frail, has a shit battery life, botnet integrated into the controller (touchpad for your fingerprints AND microphone, wew lad), annoying led lights you can't turn off, badly placed select/start buttons and did away with analog face/shoulder buttons, now it's only the joysticks and triggers, its only saving grace is being plug-and-play with (((steam))) games.
>>15268064
This one is also a good choice if you don't mind spending an hour fixing it.
Get a brand new wired 360 controller on amazon for $20 and order a screwdriver and improved dpad off aliexpress for 5 dollars, then replace them, you now have a decent controller with a good dpad and it cost you less than a DS3+bluetooth receiver and you didn't have to go outside for it, being wired and plug-and-play on PC is a plus, still not as good as a DS3 though.
a0c078 No.15268295
>>15268221
Does mommy give you enough good boy points to waste money on and shill for an objectively trash piece of hardware? Cry me a river.
d40ede No.15268304
>>15268295
How about we make this into a constructive discussion and you tell me what you don't like about the Steam Controller?
It's a pretty hard concept to get and I understand people are usually wary of trying something new and that they'd rather keep using the same old stuff. I'll explain how it's actually used, I'm the first to admit that Valve did a fucking awful job at showing off how it works.
22d542 No.15268317
>>15268255
>calling anyone else a nigger while you defend Psoy
>>15268260
only if you buy off brands. Don't buy a chink gamecube controller, get the real thing.
5f4f74 No.15268318
I can't complain about the OG xbox controller(smaller version) I use. Since it has standard USB wiring you can either make one yourself or get a $2-3 adapter.
I'd say it's the most cost effective if you already have one of them. Otherwise a DS2 or DS3 would be the next best thing.
4ab0f5 No.15268325
>All these reddit niggers suggesting Playstation garbage.
Thanks Mark.
ef1b6a No.15268327
>>15268046
I like the Dualshock 3, but mine broke so I'm using a Dualshock 4. They're my favorite but a lot of games don't have the proper button icons, so you hit Triangle when it says Y etc. Not a dealbreaker but it's an annoyance. I just like the way the DS3 feels more than any other controller and it might honestly be my favorite controller ever.
0f113b No.15268333
X360 controller for racing games. That is all.
52ee91 No.15268340
>>15268329
First, big Xbox 1 controller "the Duke" is re-released with usb
15c59d No.15268344
>>15268327
dual shock is trash, faggot. if you have anything other than babby hands the joysticks constantly make your thumbs clash together. the xbox 360 controller is an ergonomic masterpiece
d7c1d6 No.15268349
>>15268340
$70, no triggers and a shitty LED panel for no reason, you can get an xbox with two real duke controllers, JSRF, ninja gaiden black and the usb adapter for the same price.
37fc20 No.15268350
>>15268340
Isnt the build quality of the remakes shit? Also
>wireless
a0c078 No.15268357
>>15268304
>tell me what you don't like about the Steam Controller?
<Touch pads that serve no use
<one analog stick
<no dpad
Quit playing yourself off as the "sensible adult". It's a retarded controller that tries to break defined standards with what controller layout should be.
023f14 No.15268361
DS4 is pretty good for PC because you can configure and remap it freely to use as an Xbox Controller with an easy to use software, doesn't need a special bluetooth dongle or cable, you just use random USB ones, and it has a touchscreen you can use to control your cursor.
52ee91 No.15268370
>>15268349
Wow forgot about that shit led panel
690ad6 No.15268372
>>15268046
This better than steam controller.
Heard you can hook up a fleshlight for those ecchi games of yours
d7c1d6 No.15268380
>>15268372
This is for legitimate retards and cripples though, we have dignity.
8b6db4 No.15268386
>>15268057
>F310/F510/F710.. It's all the same shit.
<Awful analogs
<Terrible dpad
<Uncomfortable to hold/not ergonomic in the slightest.
<STIFF hard plastic and hard buttons.
<USB cable still finds a way to stop working after while of perfect care.
<Still $20-30
I've had 2 of these DOGSHIT "controllers". OP, don't waste your money. Groupon/Jet has PS4 and Xbone controllers for $29.99.
d40ede No.15268415
>>15268357
The touch pad on the right can be used as
>A mouse
>An analog
>A trackball
These are all different input methods that you can switch inbetween. Both the mouse and the Trackball work better than a standard analog, meaning games that require quick aiming or camera control are actually playable without a Mouse and Keyboard for the First time.
The other touchpad is not only a d-pad, but is actually used as a substitute for F1-F9 keys. By hovering over one of the 9 points that can be assigned to it and clicking you have access to an extra 9 keys. And if there's more that you need, you can use one of the other inputs as a switch to change the keybindings to another 9.
>quick saving
>quick loading
>quick switching of weapons
>toggling modes
This is shit you actually need while playing PC games and you can't have it on a controller.
One analog stick is all you need, because analogs are only good for movement. The trackpad can tell how fast your're sliding your fingers, have acceleration or not and essentially rotate you 180 degrees in less than a second while still having complete control over where you're looking.
The left touchpad can be used as a dpad, it's not better than the ps3 controller, but it works just fine.
The Steam controller actually has a shitload of work put into it and the options it gives for customization makes it compatible with every single title you want it to be. And even if you don't want to set it up yourself, the community has probably already made plenty of configurations that already work perfectly.
Plus, it has two extra buttons on the back AND Gyro controls.
It might not play fighting games but it's perfect for everything else if you want to get comfy and not have to worry about compatibility.
At least I actually held one in my hand before going off and saying that it's awful, that's what an adult would do.
a0c078 No.15268453
>>15268415
>A mouse
Have one
>An analog
Have one
>a trackball
Literally only good for emulating arcade games that had trackball controllers.
>quick saving
>quick loading
>quick switching of weapons
>toggling modes
Can map all of these to buttons when emulating old games, and games that make full use of a controller I can at least lift my ass up and press a hotkey on my keyboard.
>This is shit you actually need while playing PC games
You mean a mouse and keyboard? Have that.
>One analog stick is all you need, because analogs are only good for movement
Imagine being this retarded.
>It might not play fighting games
Or any game requiring precise input.
>it's perfect for everything else if you want to get comfy and not have to worry about compatibility.
Sorry, I've got a setup that's perfectly comfy and compatible with whatever I throw at it, and is able to setup with anything fine.
At least I actually watch what I spend my money on and use controllers depending on their practicality and specific use for certain games. That's what an adult would do.
d40ede No.15268465
>>15268453
If you're playing with a controller that means that you don't want to use a keyboard and a mouse. What kind of fucking argument is "just have a mouse" when you've been suggesting the 360 controller for the whole thread? Why the fuck even respond then.
>Can map all of these to buttons when emulating old game
Yes, but not for non emulated games.
>I can at least lift my ass up and press a hotkey on my keyboard.
We both know you wouldn't do that. Nobody would.
>Imagine being this retarded.
Honestly if you're not even going to bother actually trying to come up with a point this is a dead end of a conversation.
f84d18 No.15268478
Get a PS2 controller with an adapter for your PC. It is the only way to properly play emulated vidya.
a8860b No.15268486
>>15268046
I use an Xbone controller but a 360 is just as good
3d2ce4 No.15268489
>>15268255
Filter, do not engage, it's a cuckchan shitposter.
d86330 No.15268497
>>15268489
keyboard and mouse is only good for 2 genres, everything else you're gonna be playing better with a gamepad.
c476be No.15268563
After Looking through these posts I think I'm going to get this: https://www.amazon.com/PlayStation-Dualshock-Wireless-Controller-Camouflage-3/dp/B005JB84GM/
Any reasons not to have this over another one?
Sorry, I'm very new when it comes to controllers as I have never owned any consoles and barely have interacted with them outside of some friend's consoles.
Thank you all who are trying to give me legitimate advice.
d7c1d6 No.15268589
>>15268563
>$50 for an used controller
>used only
>shitty camo paintjob/skin
>amazon so you can't tell if it's defective or not until it arrives
You can get an used black DS3 on pawnshops/FUCKING GAMESTOP for way less and you can test if it has mushy buttons or if it works at all.
1a454b No.15268593
Wasn't there a DUKE remake for PC once upon a time? Does anyone have it and is it okay to use?
c476be No.15268599
>>15268589
Fucking hell didn't even see that it was used. But Yah I'm leaning towards a DS3.
d7c1d6 No.15268613
>>15268599
Good choice, but don't order from amazon unless it's new.
c476be No.15268617
>>15268613
Uhh I think there's a reason all of them are used.
b1a1f3 No.15268620
>>15268617
WELCOME TO THE FREE MARKET
a0c078 No.15268622
>>15268465
>Yes, but not for non emulated games.
>PC games don't have rebindable keys
You high nigger?
>We both know you wouldn't do that. Nobody would.
t. fat fuck lazy nigger.
Get off your ass and go run.
>this is a dead end of a conversation.
That it took you that long to realize no one is persuaded by your use of a meme pad is pretty fucking sad.
d7c1d6 No.15268629
>>15268617
Mate there's like a hundred different sellers that have it new for the $60 it originally costed, are you stupid or do you want to get jewed that much?
c476be No.15268634
>>15268620
You got a problem with democracy, communist?
c476be No.15268646
a884c5 No.15268659
Say what you want about the Bone, but I've been using an Xbone Controller for the last two months or so and I'm actually quite fond of it. Sticks have a nice feel, bumpers are good, plus it's a Winblows product straight up anyway so you don't have to jump through hoops to get it working most of the time. I'd recommend grabbing one for cheap.
5f4f74 No.15268663
>>15268593
It doesn't seem worth the $100 when you can buy a used original one for $20 and use a $2-3 adapter. Plus it has a pointless LCD screen built into it that does nothing but kill the battery by playing the xbox intro.
023f14 No.15268666
>>15268415
The touchpads can be used as anything that aren't what the controller actually needs, that are a second analog stick and an actual-dpad
>The other touchpad is not only a d-pad
nah, you can map d-pad functionality to it, but it won't be as good as an actual d-pad
>One analog stick is all you need, because analogs are only good for movement.
They're worse than mouses and arguably than pads andor trackballs for camera control or coordinate based pointing, but everything else is better with an analog stick.
If you need a mouse, it's better to use a mouse. If you need a controller, it's better to use an actual complete controller.
f84d18 No.15268676
>>15268634
Democracy never worked
023f14 No.15268691
>>15268599
I don't see any reason for a DS3 being better than a DS4 other than it's price tag.
The DS4 has extra functionality that is super useful on PC, feels like it was made for it instead of a console. The touchscreen alone for controlling the mouse is amazing when you're using an OS that uses 0% controller input for navigation, unless you're using Steam big screen or something like that.
078b9e No.15268718
here is a nice wired xbox one elite knock off that sells for a lot cheaper. its got a nice long wire too with a break off point so you don't fuck up your usb port.
078b9e No.15268736
>>15268057
i have literally crushed one of those controllers in my hands when i raged on a dark souls death.
078b9e No.15268750
i play god of war 4 with this and can totally beat it with zero hits i'm totally not full of shit
3b89ee No.15268958
>Valve still hasn't released a steam controller with a DPAD
>Controller configuration has DRM and you have to be signed into steam to configure it
>Valve still bricks your steam controller until you overwrite it with factory settings if you change the default control bindings
>Hardware DRM cancer extended to when every display manufacturer and their mother wanted to make an HMD for Valve's VRshit
>All those HMDs are now stuck with Windows Mixed Reality
My disappointment is immense like a burly gentleman
3b89ee No.15268990
>>15268958
Also Valve are fucking faggots for adding PS4 controller support to their rebinding software instead of addressing the issues with the Steam controller. Especially when input mapping software already exists for PS4 controllers and doesn't require steam.
6fe0bd No.15269009
Buy a nintendo 64 controller. It's the best controller mankind has ever met.
It's like a snes controller, but with a twist.
2fd7d3 No.15269014
My perfect wired xbox 360 controller broke and I can't find any other original xbox 360 controllers. Fuck this third world socialist shithole. I just want a good controller, for fucks sake.
000000 No.15269052
>>15268046
Chinese knockoffs. Cheap, durable enough, good enough. Easy to find. Easy and cheap to replace. and you won't waste your money on the scammers from the (((official products))).
a63460 No.15269075
I use my touchscreen monitor to play.
f52438 No.15269078
>>15269009
>it's the same guy from the other thread
it's still trash mate
d57cb5 No.15269111
>>15269009
>It's like a snes controller, but with a twist.
It's like the snes controller but with a mushy tiny d-pad, garbage face buttons and terrible ergonomics. You must be an edgy contrarian or just a drooling nitendrone retard.
735f18 No.15269133
>>15268046
>What is the most cost effective controller to get for PC?
>have a penguin os in computer
>emulate some stuff
>use DS3
>it detects the bluetooth
>it just works
>comfy
20b1df No.15269344
>>15269009
>babyhands manlets will contest the superiority of this controller because they lack the ability to firmly grasp it
f9dcf5 No.15269377
3b89ee No.15269381
>>15269377
>Valve still bricks your steam controller until you overwrite it with factory settings if you change the default control bindings
Maybe they eased up on it, but having the controller literally unusable until I signed into steam when the steam login thing booted itself is not worth fucking with.
ceb5de No.15269388
>>15268046
Chink made, wired 360 controller for 10 bucks on ebay…they hold for about a year until either the sticks come loose or the cable-connection breaks. Buy five, use the broken ones for salvage and never look back.
79fb67 No.15269417
>He doesn't want to use a superior Keyboard and Mouse
So many consolecucks on /v/ today, maybe that explains why this board is shit
79fb67 No.15269422
51f02d No.15269428
Well you can get an eggsbox 360 controller, a repro 360 controller or you can buy an expensive meme that does the same thing as an eggsbawks 360 gontroller.
Pajeet, my son, you must choose.
a22e4c No.15269436
can anyone comment on the gamesir g3w or ZD-T?
c35191 No.15269464
>>15269436
Gamesir G3w is mostly solid for the price
>good grip
>good sticks
>cable with separator in the middle so if you fuck up it's not too bad
>buttons are great feeling
>triggers are better than my DS4
>20 bucks
>surprisingly good vibrations for something that cheap
<will scrape the side of your fingers with some grips style
<Dpad is shit and prone to random diagonals
<gayass leds
>that you can turn off easily
<turbo function is mediocre
<turbo buttons easily mistakable for start/back
Can't say for the ZD-T but have the ZD-V
ZD-V is slightly pricier and a better deal imo
>really fucking good Dpad
>decent enough sticks
>Dinput mode for older games
>material doesn't get dirty easily
>25-30 bucks
<cable is short, rigid and shit
<thing around the sticks will fuck your fingers up
<no trigger
>sticks are 8way only (not a huge issue outside of a few specific things)
<weirdass feeling facebutton,
>not enough to stop it from being mashable
<mode switching will make a few USB chipset freak the fuck out
a22e4c No.15269522
d40ede No.15270021
>>15268666
>The touchpads can be used as anything that aren't what the controller actually needs, that are a second analog stick and an actual-dpad
There is no situation where a second analog stick will be better than a trackpad. The second analog stick barely works for what it's been designed to on current controllers, that's why so many are trying to implement Gyro controls.
>They're worse than mouses and arguably than pads andor trackballs for camera control or coordinate based pointing, but everything else is better with an analog stick.
The point is that sometimes you don't want to use a mouse, the whole point of having a controller is that you want to sit back and use it instead of a mouse and kb.
>everything else is better with an analog stick
Virtually nothing is better with a second analog stick. It's imprecise and it's slow as hell.
853d5c No.15270091
I have a Steam Controller. It's serviceable, but in no way replaces a regular controller.
It's fine for FPS games and shit that would normally be good for a mouse, but every time I just get frustrated and go "Why wouldn't I just use my mouse right now?"
I played some platformers using it, thinking it would be better, but it really wasn't. Set to joystick mode, where your thumb's movement is similar to a regular joystick, and it just feels.. weird. Like it's too insensitive around the center, but way too sensitive around the edge, so you always end up overshooting or undershooting. You have to learn how to move your thumb properly so your aim gets precise with it, something I never had to do with a regular controller.
I'm pretty sure they're making a second generation coming out soon, but the touchpad idea is kind of shitty. Touchpad technology isn't nearly as precise as a joystick from a PS3 controller from 2006.
20b1df No.15270189
>>15270091
That looks like dog shit, lmao. Good goy.
853d5c No.15270246
>>15270189
I bought it because I wanted a controller to use, see if I liked it. On paper it was interesting, but the technology just isn't there yet.
I like some of the ideas: the little flippers on the back are a neat idea and gives you more buttons to use. You can actually jump and aim at the same time.
6e8ea4 No.15270381
REMINDER THAT ANYONE RECOMMENDING THE DS4 IS EITHER A SONY SHILL OR A RETARD WHO BOUGHT A PS4, GET A DS3 OR AN XBONE CONTROLLER INSTEAD
6e8ea4 No.15270389
>>15269417
>So many consolecucks on /v/ today, maybe that explains why this board is shit
Oh hey, someone else also figured it out
6f6d9c No.15270416
>>15268046
I've had a ps3, ps4, steam controller, cheaposhit in my hands for PC gaming for the past 5 years, recently I caved in on a deal from a local retailer, newest xbox one controller without battery pack and no usb stick dongle shit, 40€. The ergonomics was a godsent it's truly the most comfy controller you can hold in your hand even with big hands. AA batteries were a bitch tho so I got a battery pack from amazon basics. It almost doesn't fit in there but with a little force the cap closes and it's cheap, also you don't need the dongle if you have bluetooth on your pc or a cheap dongle. wired always works and has quite low input lag compared to other controllers.
tl;dr for xbone controller
cons:
changing batteries
can be pricey if not on sale
joysticks get dirty after a while
pros:
you can get a rechargeable battery pack and change it after a few years when the batt is dead so longevity is guaranteed
has nice accessories for pc like a keyboard n shit
most ergonomic shape on the market
good button feel only on the latest revision
sturdy af even if thrown against a wall like my m8
low input lag wired
bd60c1 No.15270483
>>15270381
>xbone controller
It's shit. You only have the option for wireless. Even if you plug in it via USB, the controller will still drop inputs or have lag. DS3 or Xbox 360 (even with it's shitty dpad) controllers are the best mainstream console controllers to use for PC gaming.
Anyone looking for something better should try something like this from Logitech
567878 No.15270486
>>15270381
>seriously telling people to get an xbone controller
>calling anyone else a shill
567878 No.15270507
>>15270503
how the fuck are you holding it? You put your thumbs on the edge you retard.
7d0698 No.15270510
>>15268563
Yeah, don't bother. That shit right there is some fake china tier garbage that tries to pass of an original PS3 controller. There is a bunch of those motherfuckers. Go get a dualshock 4 or one from gamestop and stay away from online shopping if you ever want a proper DS3.
bd60c1 No.15270517
>>15270503
My hands are huge, Anon. I would use the original Xbox controller for PC if I could. I recommended DS3 because it's got a good dpad and button layout, but if you read a bit further ahead, I said that the Xbox 360 and the DS3 are the best mainstream console controllers. And if you bothered to look at the image I posted, you would have seen that I posted a controller that's better than both of those.
bd60c1 No.15270534
>>15270529
This one's on me, kid. Buy something nice with it.
023f14 No.15270541
>>15270021
>Virtually nothing is better with a second analog stick.
>what are twin stick shooters
>what is UI that uses the second stick
>what are games that use the second analog for moves, item selection, or literally anything other than controlling a camera
Most games that aren't designed with KB+M as their main input method are designed around th fact that analog sticks have a range, they mostly use angles instead of coordinates. You can't get precise angles on a touchpad, and if a game is made with KB+M as it's main input method, chances are it's better to stick to the KB+M, otherwise you'd be crippling your control for the sake of comfort, even with the thumb touchpad.
>>15270246
>You can actually jump and aim at the same time.
Almost every game that require that are FPS or 3rdPS, in that case you shouldn't even be using a controller on PC.
>>15270381
Why is a DS3 better than a DS4?
bd60c1 No.15270552
>>15270541
>Why is a DS3 better than a DS4?
No big ass touchpad thing in the middle. Other than that the controller is the same I believe
cab1c3 No.15270555
I still can't comprehend how no one has ever tried to make a controller that has all the best design and parts choices.
3D printing, parts from broken controllers, any kind of microcontroller and keyboard switches for buttons make all of this possible, but the only attempts I've seen are just faceplates, shit controllers and Switch controller grips for soylets.
567878 No.15270567
>>15270529
>microshit shill recommending the xbone controller with that awful d-pad
023f14 No.15270577
>>15270552
>The DS3 doesn't have the best thing about the DS4 as a PC controller
oh, ok
bd60c1 No.15270580
>>15270577
What makes it useful on PC? Never tried one out personally. I get that it acts as a mouse, but on a PC you literally have a mouse
5d9c24 No.15270582
>>15268046
I just use a Logitech controller.
567878 No.15270587
>>15270580
that you have to sit at a desk to use. or remove your hands from one device to use.
try to think about it for a second.
bd60c1 No.15270592
>>15270587
<that you have to sit at a desk to use.
>he's too dumb to use a wireless mouse
b8b1a8 No.15270605
>>15268246
This. KB+M is only good for FPS,RTS and Sims and those games are trash anyways.
567878 No.15270611
>>15270592
>using a wireless mouse
I've helped a lot of people but I know a lost cause when I see it.
023f14 No.15270618
>>15270580
Mostly is because of the mouse control, you have a mouse on PC but most people using a controller on PC aren't sitting right in front of the keyboard.
If you don't want to use it as a mouse, it's ok, you can map all sorts of shit to it, like macros, sound voluma adjustment, mapping profile switching, etc.
>>15270592
>Controller in both hands and wireless mouse on the foot masterrace
b8b1a8 No.15270619
>>15268344
How FAT are you, nigger?
f9f69e No.15270638
>>15270555
>I still can't comprehend how no one has ever tried to make a controller that has all the best design and parts choices.
I bet Sony/Nintendo/etc have patented every piece of the controller they can so expecting someone selling them commercially will likely not happen except maybe by some hobbyist via ebay.
9266db No.15270652
>>15270619
Oddly enough, I kind of remember having similar gripes with dualshock controllers, but that's was years ago (DS1/2) only in games where I actively use both sticks and might actually have a need to point both sticks at each together (read: Ape Escape). It's been a long while since I've used a dual shock style controller, much less an actual dualshock.
f1ae9a No.15270655
>>15270552
>Other than that the controller is the same I believe
Wrong, the DS3 has pressure-sensitive face buttons, D-pad, and bumpers. Everything that isn't the start/select/home and L3/R3 are analog inputs. PS2 games like Ace Combat, MGS, DMC, Silent Hill, and GT used these inputs, as did a small number of PS3 games.
With some fucking around you can make use of this on older games (Ace Combat 3 can use the right analog for throttle and yaw, which you can map in the emulator to R1/2 and L1/2 for controls like AC04). It's a very neat feature which was sadly dropped on the DS4.
e2034f No.15270665
>>15268046
tbh just wait for a ds4 sale. the black one often goes on sale for $30. i've even seen the red one go for that price. then just connect with a phone charger and download something like xinput because there are no official drivers as far as i know. i've never had an issue. works with cave story. works with all of my emulators, and works with trackmania. i've never had an issue. its comfy. has the best d-pad. the analog sticks allow for more precision than the ds3 and any logitech controller. and in addition to 4 shoulder buttons start/share are easily mapped to start/select, and then you have 2 additional buttons from the touch pad (i havent been able to get swiping to work) which i sometimes use as macros, shortcut keys, or hotkeys.
just try to plug it into a good USB port atleast 2.0 standard USB ports often have latency issues.
also, sometimes you have to adjust a deadzone because the sticks often have a slight jitter at a rested position which can make mapping keys maddening. most of my emulators dont have this issue if you use a good plugin.
023f14 No.15270676
>>15270655
That was a cool feature, but it's usage is very limited.
f1ae9a No.15270709
>>15270676
Not nearly as limited as a trackpad you have to move away from the buttons to reach. Lifting off the accelerator, zooming in, and adjusting the map in Ace Combat 4, 5, and 0 can all be done without moving your fingers, and all are analog inputs which will give you a distinct advantage. Nothing near the same functionality can be reached with a trackpad, even if it doesn't move your thumb away from the face buttons
e2034f No.15270711
>>15270676
yea, not many games use the face buttons to accelerate or brake anymore, those are now often appended to R2 L2. i dont really remember a usage outside of that. i cant recall a single platform that used it to make jumps higher which is a shamefully missed opportunity that i wish was around during NES games in my childhood, even though i pretended they were anyway. holding the jump button longer like in cave story is an equally effective option.
pressure sensitive braking with square was nice. but if i would often forget that the button was pressure sensitive and over time the pressure sensitive would cause some presses not to register for me. could have just been the controller getting old though.
f1ae9a No.15270749
>>15270711
Pressure sensitivity tests your muscle memory and your ability to keep your cool. A trigger with an inch of travel makes it very easy to adjust, and therefore more fit for casuals. I can't count how many times I tried to go fast and accidentally shot someone while holding them up in MGS 2, completely ruining my plan. It trained me to be a more cautious, better player
It's also sad how many games use analog triggers for completely digital inputs, like shooting or dodging (bayonetta). There's no need for this, it only further kills the existence of analog inputs.
e2034f No.15270783
>>15270749
but those buttons can easily just be a trigger. there was no need for the shoot button to be square. im not saying it was bad, im just saying that the face buttons being pressure sensitive arent necessary since it wasnt implemented often.
f1ae9a No.15270841
>>15270783
If we're arguing the button layout of the MGS series, there's a lot of smart decisions made about that control scheme which fit the gameplay and don't get in the way. For example, square being shoot isn't as important as releasing square to shoot. But that's not the point of this thread.
Pressure sensitivity was being implemented, and often. I've already listed a bunch of high-profile, successful games which utilized the pressure sensitive buttons in both combat and UI. The push for multiplats in 7th gen prevented many games from actually using the DS3, becoming more trouble than it was worth because "gotta get that 360 money too!"
023f14 No.15270922
>>15270709
I meant that the trackpad is useful for anything you do on the PC that uses a mouse, the analog buttons are only good for about 5 emulated games and maybe some racing games only if you prefer face buttons over triggers.
e2034f No.15270939
>>15270841
we're talking about the current good controller to get for PC. i like the ds4 even though it doesnt have pressure sensitive face buttons, and im saying the pressure sensitive face buttons arent that useful on PC and not often implemented so its not a feature that should cause someone to choose one over the other when it comes to playing pc games.
youre bringing up how they were good on a PS2 game from 15 years ago. and i agree, but could have just as easily been a trigger button.
f1ae9a No.15271141
>>15270922
>>15270939
I recognize and understand that the analog buttons aren't useful right now for anything more than PS2 emulation. But a windows driver called Vigem made by a horsefucker is in development, and just recently demonstrated mapping buttons to an arbirtary number of DInput analog sticks. There's potential for it having the most versatile controller inputs, while keeping a layout compatible with modern controllers.
023f14 No.15271216
>>15271141
Ah, yes, I remember a game needing 6 analog sticks to control the character and I just can't play it until they launch that shit.
8fdb21 No.15271236
385632 No.15271860
>>15268350
It isn't even wireless because Microsoft wouldn't bother to share the wireless code.
d0f344 No.15273269
>>15268046
Depends on what games you play. If you play shmups,fps,rts exclusively, use your kb/m.
If you play fightan gaemu, go find a hori fighting commander.
If you play twinsticks gaemu, get a ps3 controller.
I play a nice mix of the above, and I have this horipad fps plus, which is breddy gud. Is a bit weird technically (windows thinks it's an xbawks controller, steam thinks its a ps3 controller), but it feels gud (and for what I play, just werks).
>>15268057
This is a good option. I wouldn't say it's "cost effective" in the long term, but it's definitely cheap and worthwhile.
>>15268060
You forgot about the fragility of the bumpers. Dear god, the steam controller is trash.
d0f344 No.15273346
>>15268121
Oh dear god, this fucking guy. Fine, I'll bite. I had a Steam Controller myself for a long time - I bought it when it was on sale. It broke. I feel like I have as informed a position on this controller…but my opinion on it is negative.
>>15268172
>Probably wouldn't work with fighting games,
I can confirm that it does not. Not even remotely - the logitech controller that is often suggested in these threads outperforms it greatly for such games.
>>15268221
Not everyone wants to blow a lot of money on a new controller…and the steam controller *usually* isn't cheap.
>>15268415
This deeply needs addressing.
You have a large number of input methods available at your thumbtips…that would be better done by simply switching to your keyboard. If you are playing a game where it is better for you to have these immediately available, you might benefit more from simply playing the game on a keyboard. If you need a stick on your thumb, there is also pic related - it is deeply autistic and expensive, but I would argue that it may be worth it if this is something that you are demanding…It is likely more cost effective in the long term than a steam controller with long term use, for reasons I will elaborate on next post…
>>15268465
>If you're playing with a controller that means that you don't want to use a keyboard and a mouse
Not necessarily…it may mean that you need two sticks (as in a twinstick shooter).
bcaaee No.15273379
>>15270611
What's wrong with wireless mice? A good wireless mouse is superior to wired mice because sometimes the wire makes the mouse have inconsistent resistance while you're moving it in different directions. Even trying something like taping the wire to the monitor or using a mouse bungee doesn't really help because the wire is usually so stiff that there's still resistance in at least one direction when you move it. It also fucking bothers my OCD. I got a wireless mouse and I've been much happier since then.
d80e4c No.15273399
>>15273269
I have one of these and I use it for my PS4 because I hate the PS layout, its ok, the bumpers are shit and the start button is smaller and even worse then the PS4 controllers, but there are only like 3 PS4 controllers with the xbox layout, and this one is not overpriced for what it is.
d80e4c No.15273403
d0f344 No.15273411
>>15268304
I shall be more in depth about my hatred of the steam controller.
First; my hands are giant. The steam controller is a bit large for my hands. It is about as large as the original xbox controller - it is unironically "xbox huge".
Second: The trackpads are trash, considering their natural purposes. The right trackpad naturally replaces a stick - a task which it performs almost on par with the stick with, hindered mainly by its giant size…were it smaller, I would argue it was superior, but the size is just too large. You have to move far more across the trackpad than you *should*. The left trackpad naturally replaces a d-pad. Holy shit, it is abysmal at this task.
Third: There are better controllers for every genre of game that I can name, and most gamers focus on one genre of game. The keyboard and mouse is superior for fps, rts, and shmups. There are fighting sticks for fighting games. The ps3 controller is superior for twin stick shooters (although the steam controller comes close, the right trackpad is just too large). I do not have great deals of experience for other genres, but I have not heard of the steam controller being the dominant choice of controller in any genre that I am aware of. There seems to always be "a better option".
Last: The build quality is abysmal. The bumpers snap after sufficient amounts of use, and this is a common problem. Having opened up my steam controller after it broke, I will attest that this is due to a baffling engineering flaw - the pressing of the bumpers deforms a hard piece of plastic, which is used to press the switch.
The steam controller will not take any sort of regular use. At $45, I would expect one to go through 3 steam controllers long before they went through one orbweaver. The orbweaver is $110. The orbweaver is an autistic meme, but my impression from people who have one is that it is vastly superior to the steam controller in build quality.
d0f344 No.15273416
>>15273399
What's wrong with the bumpers? Do they wear out a lot, or is it just the feel of them? (I must acknowledge that they do feel a little weird at first, but I like it.)
5f4f74 No.15273442
You can either use a cheap $5 USB numpad or get one of these for $25. Paying over $100 for that Razer thing is ridiculous for several reasons.
>>>/tech/951010
d0f344 No.15273456
>>15273442
The reason I brought the orbweaver up was because I was pointing out its superiority to the steam controller.
I am not suggesting anyone actually buy one of those damnable things, I am simply pointing out that it is superior as a gaming device than the piece of shit that is the steam controller.
5d9c24 No.15273457
>>15273403
No, fuck you, leatherhead.
511e6b No.15273707
>>15270665
My DS4 seems to have problems with DS4 windows and it just acts retarded on inputs for games that I just cant use it at all anymore.
d40ede No.15277759
>>15273411
>You have to move far more across the trackpad than you *should*.
Have you actually looked at the settings? No matter where you place your finger and move the trackpad is going to register that as a movement in that direction, you don't need to cross the whole thing.
Build quality seems excellent to me, the controller has weight and seems solid. I've had it for more than a year now and I use it daily and I haven't had any problems whatsoever, even if I did buy it used.
Controllers breaking is always a subjective issue, I don't know what you did with yours to actually make it break. Point is, build quality of the unit doesn't feel cheap.
Again, suggesting the orbweaver doesn't change the fact that if someone is trying to use a controller, it's because they don't want a mouse-like piece of hardware. That could be either because of comfort or because they wouldn't be able to use it outside of a plain desk.
If you put up with Analog aiming in 3rd person shooters for this long then SURELY you can put up with using the trackpad as a dpad, which is really the only objectively valid criticism that you can make at the controller.
And fuck if the trackpad is so bad then use the analog.
0a80cb No.15277797
>>15273442
Could one cannibalize a numpad to make themselves an arcade stick?
dee309 No.15277972
>>15268046
i wish you could buy like a small gamepad with some buttons and still use a mouse for aiming.
2a1b9a No.15278047
>>15268287
Nothing worth note ever used the ps2 analog face buttons short of one part of star ocean and metal gear. You also forgot to mention that every sony dpad is mushy garbage, I'd have to use the stick when playing gba/snes games… or switch out to my 14yr logitech ds clone.
5ec820 No.15278097
Get the duke you faggot. Only faggot-hands can use anything else.
1edde8 No.15278611
>>15273346
I've never had a steam controller, or used my computer to play games on the couch, but like, I can see the potential uses of one. My biggest gripe with it is how pointless having two touch pads, is. The touch pad is meant to emulate a mouse, and while that's good for like, I dunno, playing some turn based game like Civ, on your couch, or really slower paced first person game, having two of them is retarded. The argument that it's so it's ambidextrous seems odd, to me, too. On average the right thumb is more precise than the left thumb, but nobody's had a problem using their left one primarily for movement. That and they could just make left handed ones, probably.
Regardless, I can see how it'd be alright for point and clicks, or other slower games that use a mouse, on the couch, but at that point it feels like you should just get a couch lap desk, thing, and some USB extension cables, if you really want to seriously play something on your PC, on the couch.
d3f6bc No.15278668
>>15268563
If you're spending that much on a controller get a new DS4. The dpad is way better. The sticks feel better. The start and select buttons are in better places. Its bigger. Seriously the DS3 and DS2 are some of my least favorite controllers because of how spongy the dpad feels compared to the DS4.
343ebf No.15278771
>>15278668
Put xbone sticks on a DS4 and you're pretty much fucking set, I wish the DS4 was a little sturdier but can't have everything
d3f6bc No.15278774
>>15278771
For me the DS4 sticks are perfect. The only thing i would change is putting clicky switches in the dpad.
044b61 No.15278798
>>15278097
Can you use original xbox controllers on PC? Because OG xbox has the best controller ever made, that sounds fun
360 controller makes me turn 360 degrees and walk away, fuck that
7b9ac6 No.15278891
>>15268287
>botnet integrated into the controller (touchpad for your fingerprints
what the fuck am I reading. do you even know what a touchpad is you fucking retard
and you can turn off the led using ds4windows
ed9a9b No.15278953
>>15268287
>botnet integrated into the controller (touchpad for your fingerprints AND microphone, wew lad)
Don't forget that all monitors have cameras hidden behind the screen and the government watches you at all times. I don't know how you could have left that out of your post when you could have easily fit it into one of your 30 reddit spaces.
04f1cb No.15281502
>>15268057
t. brazillian who can only afford f310
e4568a No.15281606
>>15270552
A touchpad is a fucking genius addition, anon. The biggest problem is that the touchpad the DS4 uses is really shitty so it can't be used for casual browsing and that there's no fucking support for it in games. I dream of a day where I can play BMS and Flight Simulator X where I can just use the touchpad to click on the cockpit controls rather than mapping my keyboard or using the mouse.
e4568a No.15281622
>>15281075
>>15281092
I wish developers would just mapped driving to the mouse rather than to the keyboard. Then there wouldn't have to be ridiculous work-arounds like this.