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God of War

That Hercule disney tie-in for PS1

>>15249263

you know I always wanted to try that series but never actually bothered getting any of them, you know if the GoW collection on vita is any good?

>>15249275

They are not very good and the combat is shallow as hell, but if you just want to get off to Greek myth then the 3 first games are alright

>>15249265

I'll grab my

SWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORD

for you danny.

>nobody has mentioned Age of Mythology

Swine, all of you.

Try zues and poseidon OP.

>>15249254

There was that Argonauts arpg.

>>15249440

that game was underrated. I remember multiplayer dwarf football very well.

>>15249641

The only other person I knew who played it was my friend who had the shitty Gameboy port of it. Although, it seems that all the games that I really like are only played by me in my area of the States.

>>15249478

Jason's a nigger, so no.

>>15249254

>I mean games that are either set in greece or greek mythology.

There's that new AssCreed game, but we all know it's going to be shit, which is a fucking crime because letting you have your own ship and sail around the Aegean Sea, fighting mythological creatures, raiding and battling with your band of bros sounds pretty neat.

>>15251138

classic greek play is allegory of life, everybody suffers and dies in the end

>>15251263

even if its good I am not giving ubisoft a single cent. fucking liars.

>>15251286

they probably don't care, being government subsidised and everything

>>15251286

It's not going to be good. None of the AssCreed games are good. Origins seemed to have the right idea, in that they decided to finally give up trying to fix the combat and copied Souls games, but it's still easy as shit, the world is uninteresting and the story is so Jewish it would make a rabbi jealous.

>>15251291

I wish Russia would annex Canada and put the whole population into gulags.

Dragon's Dogma sort of counts.

>>15253577

You know now that you mention it a lot of the monsters in DD is from greek mythos, most notably the hydra.

Not related to anything but I was gonna say the medusa was in the game but then I wasn't sure if that was real. I looked it up and found out there is a ios game called dragons dogma quest that has a medusa in it though.

I didn't even know they made an ios dragons dogma game.

>>15253695

>that one doujin where pitt dicks the snake and then they sacrifice themselves for some reason and then reincarnate as mortals and are living happily married

>The term Hellenistic is a modern invention; the Hellenistic World not only included a huge area covering the whole of the Aegean, rather than the Classical Greece focused on the Poleis of Athens and Sparta, but also a huge time range. In artistic terms this means that there is huge variety which is often put under the heading of "Hellenistic Art" for convenience.

>Hellenistic art saw a turn from the idealistic, perfected, calm and composed figures of classical Greek art to a style dominated by realism and the depiction of emotion (pathos) and character (ethos). The motif of deceptively realistic naturalism in art (aletheia) is reflected in stories such as that of the painter Zeuxis, who was said to have painted grapes that seemed so real that birds came and pecked at them.[138] The female nude also became more popular as epitomized by the Aphrodite of Cnidos of Praxiteles and art in general became more erotic (e.g., Leda and the Swan and Scopa's Pothos). The dominant ideals of Hellenistic art were those of sensuality and passion.[139]

>According to the Naturalis Historia of Pliny the Elder, Zeuxis and his contemporary Parrhasius (of Ephesus and later Athens) staged a contest to determine the greater artist. When Zeuxis unveiled his painting of grapes, they appeared so real that birds flew down to peck at them. But when Parrhasius, whose painting was concealed behind a curtain, asked Zeuxis to pull aside that curtain, the curtain itself turned out to be a painted illusion. Parrhasius won, and Zeuxis said, "I have deceived the birds, but Parrhasius has deceived Zeuxis." This story was commonly referred to in 18th- and 19th-century art theory to promote spatial illusion in painting. A similar anecdote says that Zeuxis once drew a boy holding grapes, and when birds, once again, tried to peck them, he was extremely displeased, stating that he must have painted the boy with less skill, since the birds would have feared to approach otherwise.

heh

>>15253897

>It's not trash it's deluxe trash

and they still belong in the same place.

Saging my question for not vidya, but in had a question about the Greeks and now seems like the right place to do it. Did they believe that if you have a shit lot in life that you can't and shouldn't try to change things? I read Aesops Fables recently and that seemed to be the message in many of the stories.

>>15253771

I honestly think that if both series were given a decent translation and released recently they would have a larger following. As it stands both will have a niche following, but Metal Max will have the dishonor of having a NISA localization.

>>15253897

the cleaning lady actually made some art.

>>15254515

True. But both have only ever seen one official release in English as of yet (Metal Max Xeno getting what is most likely a buggy rewrite coming soon), but it becomes an odd question of why Glory of Heracles garnered so much more attention, especially when we at least got Metal Saga about four years prior (2006) to GoH V in 2010. I mean, has the Japanese take on western mythology simply more interesting to the fan-translation community out here, or is Metal Max more complicated as a series to try to work with or something?

>>15253543

>still no trojan war game where you get to play badasses like Diomedes

>still no game where you go through Heracles' 12 labours(especially the one where he cleans horseshit by rerouting rivers)

>>15253543

but pirate games exist in plenty

>>15249321

Well anon, I think you imagined it. I own the game and hitting them destroys the sack, that's it. The head is not interactable.

Sorry anon, you've cracked your gourd.

>>15253845

If a game with Fleischer style hand drawn animation came out, maybe your dream is not so impossible after all.

>>15249254

You can play as Greece in Rome Total War

There's even an Alexander expansion that nobody ever plays

>>15265179

I wish I knew how to play grand strategy.

One day ill figure out how to make an army.

>>15255875

I want a Byzantine game where you kick Slavic and Islamic ass.

>>15263111

This. Trips confirm. Most of the fagwagons ITT can't distinguish hellenic, golden age and hellenistic

Pretty sure most of the big/really good ones like AoM and Zeus have been mentioned. There's this one game called Ancient Wars: Sparta but it was a pretty mediocre RTS. I remember the skirmish AI being completely braindead and never expanding even when it ran out of resources where it spawned.

Is Apotheon any good?

>>15255487

I guess. The Byzantines were pretty proud about being roman though. I'm no historian so I don't know if they considered themselves greek or roman first and foremost.

>>15267713

That reminds me of Spartan: Total Warrior. Not an amazing game but it did the job if you wanted pure dumb fun. The weapons were quite fun to use. Ares cheering you on was pretty entertaining as well.

THAT'S

IT

BOY

>>15249641

>dwarf football

Uh, are you thinking of Myth? I can't see how you'd play "dwarf football" in AoM.

>>15255131

no fighting game where you control champions of Grease and Troy as they battle to the death, complete with a story mode that takes you threw the full Iliad

complete with Achilles being a broken pice of shit speedster

>>15268964

Byzantium started Roman but as the years passed by it became almost exclusively Greek

Dark souls 1 setting is inspired by epic greek odyssey.

Zeus master of Olympus and Poseidon.

Europa Universalis: Rome

Imperium Universalis mod for EU4

TW: Rome

TW M2: Europa Barborum 2 mod

>>15269364

She’s actually an Athenian only the male character is a spartan. So it’s a little better but still immensely retarded.

>>15267826

You're a big unit

>>15269414

hahaha, nope, she's Spartan, Granddaughter of King Leonidas. The story in that game is gonna be a clusterfuck and a big fuck you to history because the female protag is gonna be the one canon. Female Empowerment Yes!

How would you make a hellenic-themed, first person dungeon crawler

>>15269521

It exists.

It's shit.

It's called Depths of Fear :: Knossos.

>>15269526

You would make a shit game?

>>15249321

Couldn't it just be a different version of the game? Most people are acquainted with the PS1 after all.

>>15268964

>>15269204

They were a whole lot of things. Primarily Greeks identifying as Romans though. There were a few holdout islands into the 20th century where the population still called themselves Ρωμαίοι.

>>15255131

Koei had a warriors game set in Troy

>>15267713

>dynasty warriors

>trojan war

shit man why did no one tell me about this? that actually sounds pretty sick.

>>15267826

>>15267914

>>15269431

AOM truly needs a mod which explores the Ogdoad of Kek and Kaukek.

>>15249321

Use the charged hits

>>15270760

well hector and danny zuko holy shit that was his fucking name??

>>15270843

there is a new Aphrodite?

>>15269781

Greeks still living in Anatolia/Constantinople or their descendants who live in Greece now still call themselves Ρωμαίοι or Μικρά Ἀσία Rûm.

Curse of Issyos by Locomalito

>>15269884

age of mythology doesnt deserve your reddit cancer

bump

>>15270538

If I had to describe it, I'd call it an open-chested halter top.

>>15253657

What are some game where she is present and can actually petrify the player character?

>>15274563

>Everything I Don't Like Started On Reddit: The Post

>>15283074

Castlevania: Portrait of Ruin.

>>15283074

Titan's Quest.

>>15254020

It was more along the lines of "make do with what the gods have given you" and that you shouldn't get cocky and think you can change or surpass your nature, which is something considered a grave offense to the gods.

>>15283074

God of War

Castle Crashers

>>15269364

No one cares about the series anymore since long ago.

Honestly? I sorta feel jealous of the ancient greeks. Like, as long as you weren't a slave, life was pretty decent by ancient world standards. Sure you didnt live long, but hey, you had your head filled to the brim with all those neato legends and myths about the gods, so the concept of death wasnt so bad.

I dunno. Ignorance seems pretty attractive to me at this point. Shame that Abrahamic religions+Rome had to come in and fuck everything up.

>>15282315

Fuck, I remember playing this as a kid. I really didn't understand the mechanics, but I loved building up my city and raising an army.

>>15287669

It also had notoriously shit cuisine that revolved around lentils (3 or so staples) and cheese, very rarely fish and even more rarely other meat. That was the best case scenario. Some cities like Spartans got shat on by contemporaries for having shit food, so let your imagination go wild when someone who eats 3 lentils and olive oil daily shits on that cuisine. Fighting in those times was frightening because the moment you got hit with a spear you'd die of infection guaranteed, that is if you didn't get hit with a blunt weapon and die due to internal hemorrhage resulting from major bone fracture. Of course if you hadn't died on the way due to starvation or elements before that. You were limited in interaction to people in your immediate surroundings (so 100-200 tops maybe unless you lived in major city), so if they for any reason thought you were weird you'd die childless and friendless. You had IRL larpers like Pythagoras or Plato preaching their strange cults and taking them very seriously, so if you wanted an education (and could pay) you'd have to endure bronies: ancient greek edition. Lastly you could get randomly enslaved and see your entire family murdered in front of you by roaming berbers, turkic tribes or other greek pirates just because.

>>15273307

I was just about to post it, good job.

>>15282315

You wouldn't happen to have a magnet link would you. I used to use IGG, but I don't trust them anymore.

>>15291223

>Fighting in those times was frightening because the moment you got hit with a spear you'd die of infection guaranteed

If they had alcohol they could cure infections.

Or are you one of those niggers that thinks hygiene is a relatively new thing?

Because even bumfuck barbarians knew to wash and clean themselves with soap.

>that is if you didn't get hit with a blunt weapon and die due to internal hemorrhage resulting from major bone fracture.

It's rare to get internal haemorrhaging from a few whacks, it takes some abuse or bad luck to be served a death sentence by a beating.

>>15253657

Ekhidna is better

>>15249254

While not hellenic, you might enjoy Age of Decadence. It ought to be close enough.

>>15253543

>>15255131

>>15253845

I can't even count the amount of times i've dreamed of such games. An Odysseus game in particular.

>>15314595

There isn't enough art of gorgons, especially medusas.

>>15314595

I thought Gorgons were supposed to be ugly. She's kind of cute.

>>15315168

gorgons in general are beautiful but then one and only one slept with Poseidon and was cursed to be so ugly that anybody who looked at even an imprint of her face would turn to stone

>>15291223

>Fighting in those times was frightening because the moment you got hit with a spear you'd die of infection guaranteed

Romans and Greeks were fully aware of infections and wound treatment (using honey to cover the wound and vinegar or wine with a high alcohol percentage to clean it) and were doing pretty incredible surgeries (ranging from cancer removal to trapanation).

>if you didn't get hit with a blunt weapon and die due to internal hemorrhage resulting from major bone fracture

As mentioned above, they knew about brain swelling and were perfectly capable of treating such wounds.

>Of course if you hadn't died on the way due to starvation or elements before that

Starvation was very rare in Greek cities.

>You were limited in interaction to people in your immediate surroundings (so 100-200 tops maybe unless you lived in major city)

Sparta, at one point, had a population of 5000 citizens, Athens was even bigger, with the number hitting 10,000, or even higher.

>You had IRL larpers like Pythagoras or Plato preaching their strange cults and taking them very seriously, so if you wanted an education (and could pay) you'd have to endure bronies: ancient greek edition

You clearly have no understanding of ancient philosophers. These were the guys that predicted the existence of the atom, calculated the circumference of the Earth, knew the Earth was round, etc.

Go be a nigger someplace else.

>>15317182

Gorgon = Stheno, Euryale & Medusa, who are sisters.

According to some legends Medusa was raped by Poseidon in a temple of Athena, so Athena cursed them. The Greek gods were dicks like that.

>>15317198

In relation to 'only' being able to interact with 100-200 people, it's easy to forget Dunbar's number applies to humans. You may scoff at these ancient people, given how connected we are in the contemporary world, but ask yourself: Do you have more than a handful of real, meaningful connections with anyone? You don't need to be able to talk to the entire earth to be content with the people around you.

>>15317198

>Sparta, at one point, had a population of 5000 citizens, Athens was even bigger, with the number hitting 10,000, or even higher.

And that was just the citizens, there would be far, far more freeman and slaves in addition.

>>15317256

>there would be far, far more freeman and slaves in addition

Yeah, but in the context of the discussion you wouldn't really be interacting with slaves and helots in any meaningful way. Your circle of family, friends and acquaintances would be limited to your fellow citizens, and that number would continue to steadily decline as time went on, until there were less than a 1000 of them in Sparta.

I'd honestly rather be a Roman aristocrat than a Greek. Not only could you be vastly more wealthy, but you'd be surrounded by far less prancing faggots and narcissists.

>>15317447

You would be interacting with Freeman though, since they would be the operators of every business.

>>15317226

It's even better. Athena cursed medusa because athena was a virgin, and jealous medusa go raped.

>>15324511

Hello meso american anon, still hoping for that central american role playing game i assume? Seriously though I am fairly you're the same person who always posts about aztec and mayan stuff. Not that i mind, quite the opposite in fact, these pictures are great.

>>15329271

Yes that's me but to be clear, I'm less shilling for Mesooamerican stuff there, and more just shilling foor more ancientt civilizations and historical political states in general: Bee it Mesoamerican ones, Andean ones, Buddhist kingdoms iin southeast asia, India, Mesopotamian city-state's and persian empires and middle eastern caliphates, etc.

I think it's such a waste and such a shame that there are all these cool places that have as much potential as ancient greece or fuedal japan and could be just as interesting to people and could just as much influence and inspire games and movies, etc, but nobody gives a shit: People are missing out.

>>15337267

Thats pretty impressive. Why didn't euro ships get that big? Practicality? Or was an an engineering thing?

>>15337267

I dont think big boats > more boats

>>15337275

>Why didn't euro ships get that big?

Because having to run half a mile to get from where you were to where you need to be turns out to not be the most effective way to sail. Not to mention the amount of people and supplies for said people you need to maintain such a vessel.

>>15337302

>Big boats mean you can travel faster

That's not how that works.

>>15337314

you could solve that by having to run half the way and and telling another person the message and deliver it or have signals.

>>15337321

a taller person can take longer strides than a shorter person.

that's how it works.

>>15337328

>a taller person can take longer strides than a shorter person.

Boats are not people.

>>15337332

>dumbshit cant into example

>>15337335

>dumbshit thinks a huge ship that uses fucking wind to move will go faster than a ship with less mass even though the wind blows at the same speed for both because people with longer legs can take longer strides

>>15337328

Reported for being too stupid to be considered human.

>>15324511

there was also a city that merged roman and mesopotamian civilization together. they worshiped all gods and combined their architecture too.

that was before islam destroyed everything.

shit i can't remember its name there was a youtube video on it.

>>15337341

>dumb shit thinks a larger sail isn't going to catch more wind than a smaller sail

Ok dumb shit keep being a dumb shit.

>>15337365

Ok you catch more wind great but since you made the ship so much bigger you need five times the wind just to get to the same speed as the smaller ship only your sails aren't big enough to catch that much wind hence you go slower you stupid nigger go read a fucking book.

>>15337369

>he thinks you need one massive gigantic sail rather than multiple sails to catch the same amount of wind

keep being a dumbass

>>15337371

They still have mass you fucking 70 IQ nigger in fact twenty smaller sails might even have more mass than one giant one as you need replacement sails for all of them on the ship encase they are damaged. Christ do you not understand the simple fact that the more weight something has the more work is needed to move such a thing?

>>15337385

Hunting and Dream are overpowered, there are large difficulty spikes at the start of certain chapters that can be brutal to melee types. Also it recently got a Norse-themed expansion out of nowhere

>>15337376

Your pea brain can't comprehend that a larger object has to travel less distance than a smaller object so its actually travelling faster than the smaller object. if you stop eating glue you would use the last remaining brain cells you have you would at least try to figure that out.

>>15337376

You are also forgetting that its on water and the weight isn't the same as if it was on land.

>>15337275

Because those ships turned out to be really fucking awful at anything other than river cruising. That they got them to hold together at all is the most impressive part but in the open ocean they weren't nearly as seaworthy as european and even middle eastern styles.

>>15337413

I always wondered why there wasn't a Diablo clone set in central or south America.

>strange architecture

>bizarre weapons

>horrifying mythology

>piles of skulls

>apocalyptic prophecies

What more do you need?

>>15337429

That third one looks like it could be a multiplayer map for something like Halo or Unreal Tournament.

>>15337545

>>15337547

>Being this much of a torfag

To answer your question, pornographic imagery was specifically the Romans. the Greeks thought that sexuality was barbaric while the Romans were generally a lot more (((open))) about it.

>>15337547

>>15337565

Greek art of males became decidedly more effeminate and homosexual as their culture declined. Similarly so with the Romans, who were not at all helped by the fact that the brown slaves they had imported into their own homeland had begun reproducing rapidly and spreading a shitty new religion of slavish mentality.

It's not so much a cause of cultural decline as it is an outward symptom. Like the flaking skin of a rash.

>>15337302

>they were idiots and killed half their population over religious crap.

That's wildly off. Let's review the numbers

The Mexica, which were the one particular Nahua subgroup that lived in the Aztec captial ,and are the people most people think of when they hear "Aztec"; were the ones REALLY super duper into human sacrifice, and they still only sacrificed a few hundred people a year (based on what;'s been said about recent excavations of the place they stored bodies from them, likely between 100 and 500 annually), and over 2/3's of them, perhaps as much as 3/4's, were enemy soldiers captured in combat (since the Mexica's higher emphasis on human sacrifice was religiously rooted in them feeding their enemies to the gods, and was more or less the result of their religion beein rewritten to justify military expansionism, which is the ACTUALLY fucked up part; and this is also supported by 75% of the bodies found in the dump site being males between the ages of 20 and 35) and were as such basically extensions of casualties inflicted in war.

So that's around 25-100 sacrifices of civilians a year, and a significant proportion of those would have been criminals sentenced to it, since we know that being changed into a slave eligible for human sacrifice was a potential judicial sentencing for crimes (a slave could also become that by repeatedly misbehaving, though it'd take a lot to get to that point). The capital had 200,000 to 250,000 people, so you are looking at, at most, assuming it's 500 a year, 1/3 being civilians rather then 1/4, and ignorring the possibility of some being criminals, and the city's population being 200k rather then 250k, that's only around .0825% of the population being sacrificed.

Going with lower estimates, say, 100 a year, only 1/4th being civilians, and 1/5 of those being criminals, and upper end population estimates of thee city, then it could be as low as 0.008%. And remember, these were the only guys who actually did mass scale human sacrifices. The rest of Mesoamerica ddid them, but not on a mass scale or with nearly as much the frequency. In short, while human sacrifice was universal in the region and was super important the actual numbers are pretty low. The ac

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>>15337277

>china at one point could have been the largest sea empire on earth at one point but for some reason they never bothered.

I think people forget or don't realize that European powers becoming these massive colonial empires wasn't exactly a foregone conclusion either. Spain was poor after the Reconquistia and it, nor other European nations, were that terribly interested in super widespread imperialism in the Americas initially.

It's only after Cortes illegally went off on his own on the mainland, and miraculously bumbled his way into conquering Tenochtitlan (If you actually look into it, It's seriously one of the most contrived string of coincidences and dumb luck i've ever heard of in history), and then instantly netted almost the entire rest of the empire as a revenue stream (initially not much changed for them, from their perspective they were still paying thee same tribute, it was just going to Spain rather then Tenochtitlan and thee other two ruling cities), that Spain and other European nations realized how lucrative it could be and bothered.

Had history played out a bit differently, not only could China and the Far East been thee global imperialists instead, and they being the ones establishing global culture, but NEITHER Europe or thee Far East could have, instead with China still not bothering, any one of the lucky events that allowed Cortes to succeed not happening, and instead you have a situation where Mesoamerican and Andean states modernize like Japan (after all, Japan was basically a medieval society modernizing into the industrial era, if anything the gap between the Latin american city-states/empires and euroope was smaller then that, they were only significantly behind in metallurgy, engineering, and naval technology) and no one region of the world would have achieved global cultural dominance.

Granted most of what's now the US and most of South America outside of the Andes would still fall to somebody's conquests and colonialism, but t could go either way between Europe or the expansion of latin american states. You might even see some of the natives, a few places in what's now the US were actually pretty close before European diseases BTFO'd them (a lot of Spanish explorers report large towns and such all over the place around the southwest, central and easteern US that were just abandoned when they came back later), and without cortes's expedition going off exactly how it did it's possible that old world diseases wouldn't have been nearly as devastating, but it's hard to say for sure how much less bad I'd be.

>>15337991

I think one of the most interesting things about the Mayan ruins is that a vast majority of them still have not been excavated. Considering that El Mirador, one of the oldest sites along with being at the very center of the Mayan world, is still mostly covered by jungle, I wonder what sort of shit is still there.

>>15337400

>He doesn't understand that the point of a bigger boat isn't speed but more storage/firepower/manpower the boat can have.

>>15338528

Nice try, but I don't want to turn rock hard.

I'm not attracted to breasts, but there's no way I'm looking into your eyes.

>>15269892

>>15270538

>denuvo shit

>>15337991

>>15337979

>>15337413

What are some good resources for learning about mesoamerica?

>>15339289

Wikipedia :^)

>>15338528

>>15338616

>not looking at her cute snakes

>>15339511

ouch

>>15337305

>implying he didn't an hero because he knew the statue would never, ever love him back

>>15337321

>>15337341

Hydrodynamics favors longer vessels

"This is Froude's Law, that the speed attainable by a creature or a ship is proportional to the square root of its scale."

http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/froude.htm

As well, even a human on a bike above 20km/h has a resistance dominated by air resistance, hence the Olympic Lycra. Water provides way less friction so your mass equals more water resistance (dynamic friction) term becomes insignificant at even lower speeds

>>15340299

>the speed attainable by a creature or a ship is proportional to the square root of its scale

This doesn't say in any dimension. Thus you could say a very very tall vertical structure has far more potential horizontal speed than a human. Prove me wrong.

>>15340354

If you opened the link it's length. Stop funposting, I'm trying to autism here.

>>15340299

>The resistance R in a fluif

I am skeptical of your source. Got anything better?

>>15340382

>.edu domain

Even profs mistype. Literally just look up Froude's Law, anywhere, I just went with the simplest.

I'm not even a Naval engineer I just know this shit because there was a selction process for a new guided missle destroyer in my country and picked up that a longer keel is less water resistance.

>>15338099

You should look up the recent LIDAR findings from the past year if you haven't already, it basically tipled our population estimates for somee parts of the Yucatan and rradically changed our understanding of how populations were spreead out and what even defines a city to the maya, as well as finding a 100k people siized city in Michoacán in the latte classic/early postclassic, and something eelse I forgot

>>15339289

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>>15339922

I'll respond to this in a bit

>>15342716

>>15339289

Just realized I forgot to respond to this, sorry.

Despite being from reddit,askhistorians is a fantastic resource, there's a collection of good threads there about mesoamerican history here:topics: https://pastebin.com/ve6LGLqh.

I'd also take notes of the books and other sources that get sourced or recommended in those, as well as oon the askhiiistoriian's booklist. I have my own personal bookklist here: https://pastebin.com/2D7MEMTe, but I can't vouch necessarily for every single item being reputable/I haven't read every single one yet, but the vast majority were recommended to me by knowledgeable people; note that it includes andean (the region the inca are from) books too).

Also, note that my booklist excludes a lot of the most important, key works we have on mesoamerican history, such as actual surviving native books, and books made in the early colonial period; since as somebody who can't read mixtec/aztec scripts or spanish, I can't do much with them, but if you read all the posts you can pick up on the important ones (for Spanish, off the top of my head, there's the Historia Universal de las Cosas de Nueva España, Cantares Mexicanos, Relación histórica de la nación tulteca/tolteca, Historia Chichimeca/Historia general de la Nueva España, etc. I can do a list of key works that are actual native books or books made in nativee languages too if you want, though, again, the askhistorians posts refer to most that date back to the early colional period, and via wikipedia it should bee eeasy to find a complete list of native style books that remain.

Beyond that, FAMSI is good, but without a baseline amount of existing knowledge it might be hard to navgate or understand, so i'd reead at least the askhistorians posts first. Mexicolore has a lot of information on it's site, as well, including some articles by actual researchers, and all of it is easy to read and understand as a layman even without knowing much foundational knowledge, but the UI is awful and there's some bad info mixed into the good info so ii'd still hold off on reading it till you've achieved a good foundational level of knowledge so the iffy stuff is more noticeable.

>>15340374

Right. And length is defined as a dimensionless quantity which belongs to the longest side. Ergo, a tall object has a very big length