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Keep playing up until Dark Crusade and don’t touch Soulstorm.

Then it’s up to you if you want to play DoW2. Don’t even bother with Three.

>>15246376

Looking up 3 it seemed positively shiny enough for my lizard brain to want to try it eventually. How come?

Same for 2, I know they removed base building but I can't imagine what's there to replace it.

>>15246389

They replaced basebuilding with a bigger character focus. It’s still and rts but it also plays like a hybrid rts/rpg. It’s still good, it’s just different.

Dawn of War 3 on the other hand seemed to move even further away from the original than Two. This is mostly second hand, but I’ve heard they introduced MOBA style elements. Just know that the factions also get reduced greatly between games, sized down from nine at the end of DoW 1, back to five in DoW2, down to three in DoW 3

>>15246406

>to five in DoW2

6

>>15246406

If IG and Orkz are still around I don't particularly care. Although the not Tomb Kings from Dark Crusade look pretty cool.

>>15246336

Get mods for DOW 1, there are some really good ones even from a decade ago.

>>15246432

Singleplayer ones? Would you mind naming a few?

>>15246406

TL:DR; they made Dawn of War 3, Starcraft. Tactical Space Marines are fucking cannon fodder, think about that. The Emperor's Finest, made into the basic and expendable grunts with little customization or use in the game. The only thing great is the customization of the army with elite units, which reminded a lot of people about the tabletop game and making your own army. Too bad at launch they were fucking serious on the Esports and online leveling grind bullshit.

>>15246441

Ultimate Apocalypse, only reason to get Soulstorm.

>>15246453

>Tactical Space Marines are fucking cannon fodder, think about that. The Emperor's Finest, made into the basic and expendable grunts with little customization or use in the game

Aren't there supposed to be even bigger space marines now? Or are those not even in the game either?

>>15246453

>>15246456

I doubt my shitshow of a PC would run it, but I'd love to try it.

>>15246480

To an extent I might concede that for the first 7 or so missions of the vanilla game that's the case, but the later missions turtling becomes a major pain in the ass to do especially in a mission like Old Friend. With Winter Assault now I'm switching up my tactics and using more vehicles because while the guard are great they can't really stand on their own without tanks and whatnot.

>>15246476

GeeDubs never tells the developers who got their licenses anything, did you really think that Relic knows firsthand about Nu-Marines by GW? And I'm talking about unit, they're utterly useless in the higher tiers, they don't get any wargear to change their counters. They're equivalent to the Marine in Starcraft, minus any meaningful upgrades and no stimpaks.

>>15246504

So what do the blood ravens get for the later tiers? Terminators?

>>15246525

I'd really like to try once, but I neither have the money for it and I doubt anyone on the continent actually plays any tabletop vidya.

>>15246530

try tabletop simulator, lets you play 40k online with others, don't need models or anyone on your continent.

probably not the greatest results, but it's something at least.

>>15246561

or you could just watch some overgrown autists roll dice for 2 hours.

>>15246530

Terminators are now Elite Units that you have to select before a skirmish to use, they only get variations of the same units which they could have save us time by letting wargear research change them in the real time. There's two Devastator Squads, Heavy Bolter and Lascannon. Real fucking smooth Relic.

>>15246480

playing online is way more fun

So what about other 40k games, or are the DoW games the only worthwhile ones?

Space Marine looks nice but I feel it might get too "cinematic"

dow1 vanilla campaign is still the only true depiction of w40k grimdark in video game form.

dow2 toned down the grimdark too much, it feels like you are ordering around modern soldiers, not battlemonks from a psychotic empire. However it is a lot of fun, mainly due to all the uni abilities you have.

>>15246817

Spes Mehreen is good, but a bit too hamfisted with the oh look female guardsman isn't she cool and strong?! thing.

>>15246480

We can't make you enjoy RTS

>>15246831

at that point its not strategy its just toy soldier simulator. most people cant handle strategy and thats why rts stagnated and then was made into the modern abomination it is.

>>15246836

Are you playing on Normal?

If you like the IG then play final liberation and sanctus reach: sons of cadia.

>>15246828

Not really, the only reason shes leading is because all of her superiors died and she says so herself.

What about Battlefleet Gothic Armada?

>>15247182

>I hope they can deliver with 2

yeah, it seems promising. I really hope they improve on the first one

Is Inquisitor Martyr good yet?

>>15246336

Play DoW: Dark Crusade. DoW2 is good if you don't mind the switch from RTS to RTT. (I think the expansion with the IG is standalone, too).

Total War: Warhammer is also really fun if you don't mind playing the fantasy version of Warhammer

>>15247055

I don't know what to feel about Sanctus Reach. The vanilla campaign would be fun but I feel the units I'd like to use are not allowed that often, like the Venerable Dreadnought(which from I what played seemed incredibly OP with three attacks, melee attacks wrecking entire squads and having a fuckton of armor) and whirlwinds(which pretty much break any mass attack from the enemy). Plus after the second major fight I feel like the normal bolter space marines drop off real fast, barely being able to keep up with Nobz.

Why do all the VAs for Chaos bring the ham in DoW1?

I love it, especially since guys like Sindri and Eliphas have great voices.

>>15246525

But tabletop is shit. Marines are whimps in tabletop because balance

>>15251450

How well the tabletop function though? Forgive me for sounding ignorant or presumptuous but what makes playing 40k tabletop better(or worse) than say playing OpenXcom or some turn based game that's known for its multiplayer?

>>15246456

>Ultimate Apocalypse

The problem with that is Hard mode is way too hard and Normal mode is way too easy, but there's nothing in between! Hence why a gamenight would be preferable.

>>15251697

It's OK, but very limited because of the D6 system (can't have meaningful differences - for example, human bolter and space marine bolters are treated the same, as well as human power armor and astartes power armor) and the fact that is balanced around figurines.

Given that if you play IG, orks or tyranids, lore-wise you'd need 10 times as many figurines on the table (at least) for every space Marine. Since they are expensive, table space is limited and have to be painted….

>the final three missions for the order side

Holy shit what a rush dude. Also fuck the Eldar, no way I'm playing mission 4 and 5 again. In my headcanon IG are the winners of Lorn V.

>>15246376

>don’t touch Soulstorm.

Dont bother with Soulstorm's base game Unless you're in it for the memes and terrible voice acting but the Ultimate Apocolypse mod is fantastic

>>15252478

>the memes

So that METAL BOXES cutscene is from Soulstorm?

>>15252481

Yes and SPES MEHRINS and 100 baneblades being fucking lost

>>15246836

>>15246480

>>15246831

It's not the fact that it's RTS. It's just 40k.

People fawn over the inherent crazy lore where overpowered things get killed by even more overpowered things over and over but in practice it's just boring. Of all the media 40k's ever gotten; movies, games, etc. the only good ones are DoW and Space Marine, and that because both of those exclude a huge chunk of the absurd shit from the lore like all the different ships, vehicles and units in general that are so massive that they're basically just instant delete buttons of each other and everything else below them, making any sort of battle scenario into a gigantic clusterfuck.

I mean go check out how >>15246456 plays. It's a goddamn mess.

>>15252516

Even the EYE Deathwing(Deathwatch?) FPS?

>>15252548

Weird, I'd thought more people would talk shit about Toth and his INQUISITORIAL BOOT

DoW certainly knows no middle ground in its voice acting. It's either METAL BAWKSES or really awesome shit

>DC campaign breddy gud

<SS campaign dog shit

Somebody explain this to me. Aren't they the same fucking thing?

>>15252568

>implying Metal Boxes doesn't sound great

>>15252577

Soulstorm removed buildings persisting when defending a territory, in DC if you were defending a location you got all the buildings you had there the last time you fought and could quickly build up an army as a result. In SS you have to buy the buildings seperately on the strategic layer and they can only get you a mid sized base, meaning you ended up with more repetition rather than less in territory defences. Also the Stronghold missions were much less interesting overall with little to no variation in dialogue for commanders, in DC every stronghold would have unique dialogue based on the attacking faction and the defenders (see embed related). In SS only the defender faction gets dialogue and it's the same regardless of attacking faction so you get less characterisation of commanders and reason to replay the campaign. Stronholds also had less memorable objectives overall IMO.

Oh, and the game at launch was terribly buggy which turned a lot of people off and the air vehicles were shit additions overall (every faction only got one type so there wasn't much tactical variety opened up and depending on your faction the air units were either really strong like the Tau or literally redundant like the IG).

Basically, DC is more polished while the changes that Soulstorm made are either too minor to be worth it or end up being negatives in implementation. It's a shame DOW2 went the route it did with single player campaigns and army scale because I'd have liked to have seen more of DC with a more in depth strategic layer.

>>15252551

nah, SIINDRIIIIIIIIIII is better

>>15252568

you just don't remember all the meh lines, that's all

>>15252699

hooktube doesn't have a point anymore

>>15252699

Well shit, guess I'll give DC another try.

>>15252568

Metal bawkses sounds great, the problem is writing. If they told Scott McNeil to say something more reasonable, it'd not be that funny.

Diomedes is the best 40k meme to be honest

If Rhinos are metal boxes, what are Land Raiders? I've finally decided to use one and god damn they're pretty good.

Oh and I'd like to ask if the Space Hulk game is any good.

>>15255150

Which one haha there's like three.

>>15255169

The most recent one, 2013 I think?

https://pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Space_Hulk_(2013)

Actually it seems that Ascension edition is a different game than the other one released in 2013, so how's that too? And while I'm at it, the FPS by the E.Y.E guys.

>>15255302

The only Space Hulk I've played was the FPS one. I played it soon after it was released and it was a buggy, repetitive and very soon boring mess of a game. I remember its only redeeming feature was the beautifully crafted level design. There's a whole lot of detail, all the way down to the purity seals. Shooting masses of genestealers gets boring after a while, and I think the psyker powers really lacked impact.

Maybe it got better now but I don't care enough to check, it's a 6/10 at best.

Bump Terminators, Deep Striking

>>15265450

I'm not playing that game unmodded. Stronger bolters and tougher termie armor are a must.

>>15246336

I just discovered the DoW2 Elite Mod, and I really don't dislike the game as much as I initially did. If you treat the game as an attempt to be more like the tabletop experience, where you measure units as models and fight for positioning and tactics rather than a macro oriented RTS its pretty good. Everything feels kind of natural. Instead of upgrades at a building you have wargear you get on the fly and so on.

Elite Mod really makes a world of difference though.

>>15246389

Balance changes are good, but the campaign is dog shit. It's much too easy to just steamroll the campaign on any difficulty.

>>15265477 (checked)

>I'm not playing that game unmodded

Mods can be very appreciated. Close-quarters weapons need stronger impacts, psyker powers too. At least now it's not even a fraction of how buggy it was at launch, and the game wants you to grind for better bolters (which is stupid, unless you use heavy bolter rounds on a normal bolter, and it doesn't work that way). The boltguns in Space Marine felt far better.

>>15265497

>Balance changes are good, but the campaign is dog shit. It's much too easy to just steamroll the campaign on any

Are you referring to DOW 3 or 2?

Also, the Orkz shot up to being my favourite faction with their unit lines.

READY FO STOMPIN

>>15267167

Whoops, I meant Soulstorm. I misread the post chain I was replying to.

>>15267433

Matt Ward and his OH-SO-GREAT-GRAND-MASTER-KALDOR-FUCKING-DRAIGO would like to have a word with you.

>>15269664

I wonder if he likes or dislikes emperor text to speech version of Kaldor Draigo.

>>15269777

One thing is for sure, GW knows about TTS.

>>15269806

For better or for worse.

Why are psykers so loud in Winter Assault?

Final bump before I let this thread have the emperor's peace. So just a recap, the 40k games worth playing are

>DoW(up to 2)

>Space Marine

>Battlefleet Gothic Armada

and that's it?

>>15280174

No

BGA is okay, but the campaign kinda drags since it boils down to a ton of skirmish missions with no real effect on the game map.

Space Marine is also kinda meh

Final Liberation is great

Chaos Gate is amazing

>>15280201

So the only good ones are strategies?

What makes space marine meh?

Also I'm getting into Sanctus reach again. there's something about the voice acting that I really enjoy.

>>15272016

Because they are insane autist lacking all sorts of social skills, also, probably in constant pain.

>>15280174

Final liberation, sanctus reach and chaos gate too.

>>15282281

Space marine is the only action 40k game (well, actual game, we are not counting things like killteam or fury since they are mobile games).

Which reminds me, wasn't there an adeptus mechanicus game on the way somewhere?