96c0ff No.15234732
This is currently a shit game but it's sadly the only chance the FPS has for not being consolized and slow and the only chance Arena shooters have of not being dead forever. With this in mind is there any way to make it actually good? What would the devs have to do to make it as fun as the other Quakes or other good Arena shooter?
363bf8 No.15234748
>take away everything quake champions has that quake 3 doesn't
>game fixed
you're welcome bethesda
96c0ff No.15234752
>>15234748
That's literally what most of the steam reviewers are saying. They wont listen because they are really banking on getting a "wider" audience with this. So outside of the fact that the game will have shitty abilities, what else can they do?
9315f7 No.15234766
>>15234752
Why don't they just make an optional "classic mode" game type?
363bf8 No.15234771
>>15234752
Their only chance at being taken seriously would be to add quality character designs (do you really think these games are popular for anything else?) but judging by the designs up to this point the entire studio may ass well hang themselves.
5305f7 No.15234779
>>15234732
>it's sadly the only chance the FPS has for not being consolized and slow and the only chance Arena shooters have of not being dead forever.
What happened to Xonotic?
86ed46 No.15234783
>>15234732
>With this in mind is there any way to make it actually good? What would the devs have to do to make it as fun as the other Quakes or other good Arena shooter?
No. CoD is better Arena shooter than Arena shooters themselves. You can't unmake CoD and therefore can't enter same river twice.
e25e9f No.15234792
>>15234748
Remake make Quake 3 but add a proper old school 4 episode single player complain comparable to Quake 1 or Quake 2.
96c0ff No.15234800
>>15234783
>Cod is better
This sounds like a day one "troll" attempt
86ed46 No.15234812
>>15234800
This sounds like uncomfortable for 30 years old /v/ydya boomers truth. Ever since CoD arena shooter are dead cos CoD took all their audience.
96c0ff No.15234825
>>15234812
No, COD took the console kid audience. COD never sold that well on PC because COD was designed specifically to be played on consoles.
9315f7 No.15234830
>>15234825
>COD never sold that well on PC
I'm gonna need some proofs.
3bdb19 No.15234837
>>15234792
I would really like a proper single-player campaign for Quake III, as I enjoyed the ones from Quake II when I was younger don't bully and Quake III weapons feel way more fun to use.
96c0ff No.15234838
>>15234830
Steam spy shows that most COD games sold only a few hundred thousand. That is less than most fucking decently popular indie games. Also the only COD game to have any sizable community is 4.
228f4d No.15234847
>>15234838
>Steam spy shows that most COD games sold
>steam
>COD
>STEAM
69f573 No.15234852
I'm not playing it because it takes me quite literally 5 minutes to load into the menu at a minimum. I counted.
That aside, the game itself is a disaster too. Map and game mode selection is limited, you have to grind for characters, dropping armor shards when killed is a dumb feature and retains the great problem of snowballing in Quake, the netcode is shit, maps look bland as fuck and cosmetics can make you blend into textures really fucking badly. Doesn't help that you can't use picmip either to eliminate these problems.
>>15234766
They promised that they will. Kinda doubting if or when it will ever happen.
9315f7 No.15234856
>>15234838
I googled it and got this. I don't know what you're smoking.
>>15234847
I don't see your point.
000000 No.15234862
>>15234732
"Muh it will die forever".
Fuck off, shill. No genre dies forever, when people like it. There will always be new people making new entries in a "dead" genre after some time.
69f573 No.15234883
>>15234852
An example of shitty visibility
ed08f4 No.15234960
>League of Overquake
Nope, UT4 was the only hope arena shooters had and it's quite dead.
96c0ff No.15234971
5f7688 No.15234972
96c0ff No.15234982
>This will die because it's shit
>Retards and kikes will go "See no one wants an Arena shooter if not even Quake can succeed"
96c0ff No.15234988
>>15234883
Jesus christ I didn't realize it was that bad but what's just as bad is that some abilities make everything black and white for some reason meaning you can't even see if healing ward is an allies or enemies which means there is a 50/50 shot that it will kill you.
3b3865 No.15235005
>>15234982
>shit devs make a horrible game for a niche genre
>it inevitably fails
>"Well I guess that genre really is dead, let's go back to making always online, microtransaction riddled skinner boxes for twitch streamers."
This type of practice has been going on for years.
96c0ff No.15235020
>>15235005
I know and it's why I haven't enjoyed a single new videogame in years.
462632 No.15235030
>>15234972
Then why the fuck is nobody ever on?
bfe46f No.15235044
>p-p-please make our-I mean, absolutely #BASED Bethesda's game good!
Typical tricks, shlomo!
96c0ff No.15235046
>>15235044
>Please make our game good
That implies the devs would listen to their playerbase
bfe46f No.15235081
>>15235046
Was letting the goyim be manipulated worth making that good point?
462632 No.15235098
>>15235046
Or that they listen to their playerbase a little too much.
7d0353 No.15235104
>>15234732
>What would the devs have to do to make it as fun as the other Quakes or other good Arena shooter?
I'm gonna preface this by saying that I don't necessarily hate all of the changes QC makes to the basic Quake formula. Yes, anything above any beyond basic Quake is technically "unnecessary", but when pro-mode exists there's no real reason to invest money into making "Quake 3 Arena again, but this time it's released in 2018". I mean, Quake Live already exists too, so really they had to do something to refresh the formula.
As far as fixing what's already there:
#1 - This game needs to not have a price of entry. The only people that can get away with having a multiplayer-only game that's not F2P are Blizzard and whatever indie dev happens to strike gold one some new game paradigm that hasn't yet been totally exploited. It's just not a business model that makes sense anymore, especially considering that they already have grinding systems in place for unlocking content.
#2 - This game desperately needs a performance overhaul. If you aren't running it off an SSD with current-gen gaming hardware, the load times are absolutely unacceptable. It takes literally a minute just to get into any menu, let alone get into a match itself. I tested it out switching between having it load off my HDD and SSD, and the SSD definitely helps, but not everyone owns an SSD, even today. For how simple a game it is, having these kind of performance demands are insane.
#3 - SHOOT WHOEVER DESIGNED THE UI. Even ignoring the atrocious load times, just getting INTO AND OUT OF A MATCH is an absolute fucking annoying slog. Every single fucking menu takes time to load and is either preceded by or followed by some stupid pointless extra animation or shot of the players or what-have-you. The worst part is that most of it takes at least 5 seconds before you can actually skip over it, so you're constantly sitting there waiting just to play the fucking game you want to play. It totally ruins the flow of just playing, no other game I know of is like this.
#4 - Balance the fucking abilities by reducing their general power level. Some abilities in the game are pretty well-balanced, eg Ranger's orb, but most of them are insanely overpowered in specific game modes by virtue of their design. The fact that one hero gets invuln AND invis and that can be used in a 1v1 match mode is insane, there's essentially no counterplay to it except hoping they're really bad at aiming or following enemies. The variance across the different modes is insane and ruins the intent of giving players freedom of choice, some characters are just objectively better than others in certain modes.
#5 - Armor and health are resources, don't give any character additional armor or health to start with, and make all movement speeds equal at base. It's okay to give a character reduced health or armor as a trade-off for a strong ability, I'd say, but giving characters bonus starting value is just bad design. People coming into QC are gonna expect each character to be basically equal, and will get frustrated when they realize that some are harder to kill than others without any time spent controlling items.
082ec5 No.15235130
>>15235104
here's how you can balance the champion abilities get rid of them you stupid nigger monkey faggots why do you make bunnyhopping a passive ability
3b3865 No.15235137
>>15235130
>why do you make bunnyhopping a passive ability
So you'll buy more champions, silly.
9315f7 No.15235141
>>15234971
And? They said they pulled the numbers from steam spy. It's more proof than you have.
7d0353 No.15235157
>>15235130
If you care about bunnyhopping so goddamn much then why don't you just go play fucking pro-mode you stupid idiot
not everyone gives a shit about mastering bunnyhopping, especially casuals, and casuals currently make up the vast majority of people that play games. it makes sense from a design perspective to limit that ability to only one or two characters so that people who don't like it can focus on mastering other shit
082ec5 No.15235175
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>>15235157
>just go play pro mode looool
i can't because the game keeps fucking holding my hand and forcing me to play quick play ffa or quick play teams every single time with bots, but hey i unistalled that pile of garbage long ago.
7d0353 No.15235184
>>15235175
Jesus christ you don't even know what CPMA is, do you?
https://playmorepromode.com/
788f4c No.15235186
>>15234883
Finally a game that captures what its like to have my shitty vision.
082ec5 No.15235225
>>15235184
my bad, i thought you were talking about that gamemode in game champions that keeps shit "vanilla" still
>normalfags can't be bothered to master mechanics
this is why the industry is going to shit, everything has to catter to everyone, if you are going to buy an arena shooter expect to know how to bunnyhop, item placements and respawns on the map if you wanna get good, and if you really want an audience, instead of sacrificing a game mechanic or putting it into an overwatch style hero fuckfest, make a proper tutorial where it shows you these important tips in order to advance, you need a barrier of entry to make a good game, or you sacrifice important shit in order for the masses to gobble it up.
530765 No.15235268
>>15235250
as much as I dislike the faggot, kinda this. The abilities certainly don't help QC, but I don't see them as the major weakness. Obnoxious sheckeleering with champion renting, bad performance, bad UI are probably worse. But most of all, there is no playerbase. People who are purists already play Q3 on minimal settings, QC adds nothing for them. The rest are too casual and used to "modern" games. Dead genre
3c1497 No.15235270
>>15235250
>lazy devs keep shitting out bad games
>"but there'd be more good games if gamers kept playing all the bad ones!"
so glad this self–important faggot is dead
3c1497 No.15235330
>>15235268
>dead genre
people enjoy a good hop in & kill game, however:
the ugly truth is most gamers dont want true competition. they want fun. the other problem is we have an industry where any company can pop up, steal ur game idea and ur customers, so no dev wants to bother innovating when you can just wait and steal. Gamers no longer have any loyalty to a studios u can thank greedy publishers for that so not many developers can count on the number of active players necessary for a fun arena shooter. You cant blame just gamers or devs - it was a team effort.
71afb8 No.15235331
>>15234732
>sadly the only chance the FPS has for not being consolized and slow and the only chance Arena shooters have of not being dead forever.
>>15235104
>Quake Live already exists
/thread
2ab49d No.15235337
a57b95 No.15235924
>>15234771
>Their only chance at being taken seriously would be to add quality character designs
Just gotta add rainbow hair to this one, and she's primed for [[[Current Year]]].
38180d No.15235953
>>15235330
>the ugly truth is most gamers dont want true competition
This is why was most popular fad genre now is most competitive than ever. (BR)
a57b95 No.15235981
>>15234812
>CoD took all their audience
What? Arena shooters never took off on consoles, specifically because the two most popular ones of it's day were only online with the least popular console. Their PS2 versions came out as offline-only in a multiplayer game and to absolutely nobody's surprise failed spectacularly. Call of Duty I and II did alright on the PC, but I remember it being near as popular as Tribes, Quake, or UT were at their peak. After that nobody gave a shit, and most people moved on to Counter Strike and Team Fortress. Console shooters moved more towards slower-paced games like Halo which had story campaigns you could play offline as well as online multiplayer. COD didn't get popular on consoles until Modern Warfare, and meanwhile nobody gave a shit about COD on PC. That's where they really diverged, at the end of last generation, as consoles became COD Boxes and PCs were using CS:GO to farm skins and shit they could sell on the Steam Marketplace. That's pretty much how things stayed until PUBG, which only got popular because it also had drops you could monetize by opening them on a stream, trading them for cash, or reselling them in a skin lottery. Consoles were cut off from that marketplace, but with Microsoft hyping PUBG as "the most played game ever" to go along with all the streamers and shit - people were left hungry for a game - not a shallow money laundering scheme - which EPIC capitalized on to sell FortNite (which - like it or hate it, FortNite is at least functional and doesn't look like a lazy asset flip).
And that's where things stand now as I see it. COD didn't take the Arena shooter audience. It took the Halo audience. CS/CS:GO & Team Fortress/TF2 took the arena shooter audience. If the PS2 had pushed for Mouse and Keyboard support and launched with a model so that QIIIA & UT could have online multiplayer when they were still at their peak - the shooter genre might end up looking very different. You'd certainly have a fuck of a lot less whack-a-mole TPS with proper aiming inputs that people would have already been used to using much as they are with racing wheels or flight sticks.
ae8a34 No.15235997
>>15235924
See, this used to be the big bulldyke trope and now its gone and ruined.
89a49d No.15236002
>>15235924
>improv
That's not how improv works.
e25e9f No.15236017
>>15234837
Quake III was likely around the time I quit playing First-Person Shooters. Never had good internet back in 1999. Online multiplayer was not really a viable option. LAN was fun, but single player was my bread and butter and never adopted console shooters. I don't even think I played HL2 until years later.
d47c03 No.15236042
>>15234732
>cheap, failed cash-in on Overwatch
>the only chance the FPS has for not being consolized and slow and the only chance Arena shooters have of not being dead forever
Fuck right off, Todd.
2bd5bb No.15236049
>>15234752
You gotta word it in a way they will accept.
Fortnite doesn't have class or special abilities, please make it like Fortnite. You guys at Bethesda like money right?
666bea No.15236083
Maybe arena shooters would be more successful if every new instance of them didn't mercilessly try to copy Quake. Even Xonotic plays exactly like Quake in terms of item control and basic movement/weapon archetypes, but with slightly different weapons and movement techniques only promode fags can tell the difference between. But then arena shooter == Quake clone for most people including the people who make new arena shooters, so there's no fucking point in bothering with this gay genre. Instead just make a multiplayer FPS and call it a day without trying to appeal to fags who don't even really play the games but adamantly defend the purity of the arena shooter formula anyways.
9f8834 No.15236260
>>15236042
>implying 5 seconds TTK arena FPS were fast
a50d67 No.15236335
>>15236049
>Fortnite
Every time I hear that name I get triggered because it reminds me UT4 died for that shit.
356f01 No.15237375
>>15235924
>that
>only 170 lbs
That's at least 230, c'mon.
dc264a No.15237382
>>15234732
>just wait 3+ minutes between matches
>when you could play Quake Live instantly
This isn't the hope for anyone except people who love staring at menu animations.
dc264a No.15237401
>>15235268
I mean yeah, when all you do is make the same game 14 times, your genre tends to become stagnant. Yet it's as if you people deny that the years from 1993 to 2004 or so happened and that actually innovative and fun arena shooters were released. "Just give up faggots no one wants to make good video games that you enjoy" just makes you seem like an antagonistic idiot.
fa3d69 No.15237407
All they had to do was make it quake live HD and add a maybe a singleplayer mode like quake 3.
Then put it on consoles running at 60 fps with m+kb support to expand your market
d86225 No.15237408
First step is to use id Tech 6
455c10 No.15237422
>>15235250
I’m glad he’s dead.
a3adee No.15237653
>A game of a different genre entirely is the only hope arena shooters have of not being dead
What?
dd04ca No.15243204
>>15237653
>arena shooters are being saved by another subgenre
how ironic
3f146d No.15243220
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
Fuckoff, here's the only thing I'll pirate and enjoy if it actually ends up half decent like the first one.
I'll only even think of buying it if it has mod support.
517755 No.15243281
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
Yes, it i currently first person.
bc0a9d No.15243392
>>15234752
The middle ground solution for this shit is to make all of the characters into skins. Then take the different passive movement abilities and allow a player to pick one in a "load out" of sorts.
You like rocket jumping? Take ranger's passive, you prefer air dashing? Take clutch's passive, etc.
Then completely remove all of the activated abilities. They're all stupid.
They really really need to get rid of the "hero" shit tho. If they're still unwilling to go this far, then split the options into three classes, (light med hvy) and still allow players to choose their passive and character skin (maybe limiting skins to their respective weight class).
bc0a9d No.15243403
>>15235953
>BR most competitive genre
The fuck you smoking?
aef415 No.15244223
>>15243403
I used to think the same until I saw high level fortnite play. That is some pretty impressive stuff. Not Quake perfect rocket leading stuff, but stuff I definitely don't have the reflexes for. My only Beef with it is Save the World mode is never coming out, all but abandoned. It has been buried by Battle Royale's success.
a57b95 No.15244411
>>15244223
>high level fortnite play
>on a game which is cross play with mobile phones
f60672 No.15246702
>>15243220
>'ll only even think of buying it if it has mod support
What's that? You want more Snapmap? You got it! Maybe we'll even think about not putting Denuvo in it this time, teehee.
30db2a No.15250365
>>15244411
They put Starcraft on a phone.
dd04ca No.15254683
>>15253962
>Doom 2
>Better levels than Doom 1
Yeah sure kiddo.
df5a89 No.15254719
>>15254683
In other words, you don't know what you're talking about. Good to know.
dd04ca No.15254751
>>15254719
Be wrong if you must, Petersen's maps were dogshit. This was evident even in the first one.
df5a89 No.15254757
>>15254751
>Petersen's maps were dogshit
Only if you are a retard with shit navigational skills. Maybe Cuckmero's maps are more to your liking.
d75111 No.15255934
>>15234732
>the only chance Arena shooters have of not being dead forever
Or, and here comes a silly idea, why don't you fire up Quake 3 or Unreal Tournament and invite all your buddies to play it?
8fb539 No.15255946
>>15254757
They weren't very good in Doom 2 either, it seems like everyone was just taking a break from making good maps. His Doom and Ultimate Doom maps were far better.
76388e No.15255972
Talking about Doom, why was the thread deleted?
>>15215243
16d1b2 No.15255991
>>15234732
> it's sadly the only chance the FPS has for not being consolized
It's Overwatch with worse character design.
>>15234825
>COD never sold that well on PC because COD was designed specifically to be played on consoles.
t. kid who thinks CoD started with Modern Warfare
e78a63 No.15256019
>>15255972
Because it was literally only one autistic vorefag talking to himself for over a hundreds posts shilling his shitty maps and asking for tech support. People abandoned ship once the mods started banning anyone for criticizing him.
76388e No.15256073
>>15256019
That's what made people flee? Ridiculous.
75884f No.15256090
>>15235005
This is CURRENTLY always online microtransaction riddled skinner box for twitch streamers.
2d5811 No.15256131
The absolutely god awful SaberTech engine will preclude this game from EVER being good. Many people don't realize that the previous Quake games were good because the COMMUNITY was responsible for the gameplay. id Software made a rock solid engine that the mods then built upon. QC on the other hand has a terrible engine and a couple of dullards (SyncError and Sponge) to build the rules, champions, and game modes. It's a clusterfuck, and the faster it dies the better for the afps genre. All hope at this point should be put into Diabotical, since the engine is actually good and has an ex-Quake pro helming the development team.
f1ceef No.15256171
>>15256073
He apparently hit up other threads with his vore autism.
262439 No.15263935
>>15235924
I want this bitch in here, in HD
d4976b No.15264021
>>15235270
>bad games
So what's wrong with Toxxic, Xonotic, Reflex, Warsow, etc? Just saying they are bad with nothing else is simply proving his point.
>>15237422
Are you that mad that he dismatled your rationalization that easily that you'll keep digging his goon past in a very shallow ad hominem?
Is that why you don't play any of those games, Anon? Because TB used to be a goon?
462632 No.15264044
>>15235924
Fuck no
Back in the day we'd make fun of her, now every fat fetishist online would scream that it's "THICCC" in chat.
262439 No.15264065
>>15264044
I think thats mainly weird white people who don't know what "thick" is. They just purely enjoy super fat chicks
7348ec No.15264088
>>15264044
Nah m8, once you hit the cellulite threshold, you officially step over the line between thicc and fat.
867488 No.15264278
>>15264021
>Are you that mad that he dismatled your rationalization that easily that you'll keep digging his goon past in a very shallow ad hominem?
He didn't, though. In fact I don't even think he's old enough to understand the point. We were playing these "arena shooters" when they were new, and we were kids/teenagers. The industry did nothing, really, to entice new players. Then as we went off to college or work, the populations declined. When we had time off to try to get a game going, no one else did, young faggots said the games "look like shit", or the servers / lobby tools were dead.
Complete Triscuit had it all wrong.
>Because TB used to be a goon?
kek'd because dying is your only release from that AIDS
c39e68 No.15270081
>>15234862
I'm sorry anon, I really am, but despite your utmost effort you don't fit in.
eec7c0 No.15281479
>>15270081
>The irony of this post