/v/ - Video Games

Isn't that what most people say about Drakengard? It's a great and weird story, but the gameplay is shit?

I say even if you don't care for the gameplay, slog through it. You'll have been much more satisfied knowing you earned the right to experience the story instead of just watching it on Youtube.

I don't think.

Ever.

>>15229951

>You'll have been much more satisfied knowing you earned the right to experience the story instead of just watching it on Youtube

True, I've had this though. I've watched a longplay of a game before and felt a bit sad that I didn't play through myself.

I like to do as much exploration as I can, figure things out for myself. The big one is games that are open to interpretation, there's no right or wrong answer, but there are entire communities who will dictate and tell you what the right answer is.

Your take on Dark Souls for example, is probably drastically different than mine. I don't read wikis for story/lore to see what a community of people have decided is the truth, I instead delve into things and decide for myself.

>>15229992

I did this with Bioshock. I got around to playing in the end though.

Tolerate it and see it through to the end

You should do the same faggot

Most games, you won't get the whole story by watching or reading someone else's playthrough. But if the game is really any good, watching someone else's run won't spoil yours. You can go back and play it afterward and still get something new out of it.

>>15229925

If I'm already playing the game and get interested in the games story then I usually just slog through the game to the end.

More often than not though I look up a "full story" video on youtube and watch that so I don't even have to attempt to play the game. An example being the new Soy of Boy, knew the gameplay was gonna be shit but I wanted to see how much they fucked up the story and I aint toutching the game with a 10 foot barge pole so I watch a "full cutscenes" video skipping through most of it so I can say "yep its shit" and not waste my money or any more than 10-20 minuites of my time.

>inb4 blogpost

>>15229925

The former. If the GAMEPLAY in a video GAME sucks, it's shit and not worth actually playing.

If you aren't having fun playing a game, then don't waste your time with it, as you could be playing something you actually enjoy, regardless if it has a good "story" or not.

>>15229955

Don't worry, we know.

>>15230374

>>15230137

>>15230363

That's one way to put it but I meant to ask how does one deal with this situation when the game itself isn't necessarily bad, maybe it's very well regarded for its quality, but it doesn't have the sort of gameplay you appreciate.

>>15230387

>the game itself isn't necessarily bad

>but it doesn't have the sort of gameplay you appreciate.

Nigger what are you trying to say? If a game has bad gameplay, then it's shit, not worth playing, and certainly not worth seeing a faggoty "story" since games are not a story telling medium. If it has gameplay I don't like then I brush up on what that gameplay is before hand, and usually don't even bother playing at all if I know it's not a genre of game I like.

If a game has bad gameplay, it's a bad fucking game period.

>>15230430

You can not be a fan of SRPGs but still want to know the story of an SRPG for the sake of it. Just because I don't like the genre doesn't mean it isn't a good game, it means I don't like it.

Watch on youtube and skip gameplay parts.

Games are supposed to be fun. If it's not fun, why bother.

There are these things called books, they are wonderful for enjoying stories. This must be what you are looking for. Video games are about gameplay and interaction. If the gameplay isn't fun to you there is no reason to continue.

>>15230522

>You can not be a fan of SRPGs but still want to know the story of an SRPG for the sake of it.

If I don't like SRPGs (which I actually do) then I wouldn't fucking play them. I don't like RTses, and in turn I'm not going to waste my time playing one just for the sake of some story no matter how good it is, which in most cases it won't be.

>>15230533

>>15230621

Fucking this. Play games because you want to have fun with gameplay, not the story.

>>15230522

If it's not fun to you then don't waste your time playing it. If there is a dish you don't like are you going to eat it just for bragging rights? If you want to know the story watch a cutscenes-only video on YouTube and then play something you actually enjoy instead. I mean, what exactly are you trying to prove?

Of course there is always the chance that you could like a game, so I would advise at least giving it a try, even if it's not a genre you usually enjoy. But if after giving it a try it's still not fun, then move on.

>>15230753

>>15230430

games can be a storytelling medium, but they need to have good gameplay.

story is a spice, not a main dish.

>>15230772

My only real problem with "interactive stories" and walking simulators and shit like that is that they try to market those as games when they clearly aren't and don't even try to be if they do try that's all the sadder. Maybe they're actually terrified that the bar would be higher if it becomes an actual medium so they won't be able to pump out their low quality shit and make easy bucks anymore.

>>15230824

>ha ha what you have an argument instead of being a reactionary retard? what are you a cuckchannitor? weeaboogarbage.jpg xDD

fuck off retard.

>>15230828

the interactive movie garbage could be better if they actually made some challenging gameplay to it, but challenging gameplay repels women, gays, and cucks like water to the witch of oz.

vidya is all business now, and as much as those """"games"""" suck, they sell. and as long as our hobby is invaded by these people, they will keep being the main focus of the industry.

>>15230828

>"interactive stories" and walking simulators

No. None of that.

I prefer examples that are, of course gameplay first, but also complement it well with a good story, no matter how simple or complex, as long as it carries a message at the end.

Examples like Ace Combat, Shadow Tactics or Megaman X. They all have great gameplay, but they also have stories carrying them through; like an extra to remember the characters and the world by.

I watched gaylo 5's story on yt. any cutscene movie game is ok I suppose

but actual games need to be played through to appreciate the story more

>>15230865

Simply calling someone contrarian is not an argument.

I like the stories in many video games, but not enough that I would play those games just for the story. In the time it would take to watch someone else play the game, I could read or watch a much better story in a medium that is made for it.

On the other hand, I like really getting into the stories of games that seemingly do not focus on story, but when games do focus on story, to the degree that it becomes a selling point or something the fans say is a major factor in the game, 100% of the time it's because the game is made by some faggots who would rather make a movie but know their garbage can't cut it in a medium with anything but bottom of the barrel standards when it comes to story, so they make a video game instead.

>>15230883

Mega Man Classic has a better story than Mega Man X on account of not being tryhard melodramatic garbage. People just don't know about it because instead of shoving text boxes in your face and having horribly done anime cutscenes, you actually have to read the manuals, and a lot of those manuals were butchered by western (((localizers))).

>>15229925

> Do you spoil yourself by watching a longplay or do you try to actually play it, even though it's not your type of genre?

Depends on the game. For most of these cases I will suffer through to the ending, sometimes using cheats and/or trainers to help me get by quicker.

But for some yeah, I will just watch a longplay. Did this with MGS4 and Alien: Isolation. Don't regret it.

>>15230828

Most point and click adventure games of the 90's basically did everything modern walking sims aim to do, but with something actually resembling gameplay.

It's nothing "new". I actually don't mind playing "interactive stories" myself, but most of the indie shit doesn't even have any good story to put out and the graphics are reduced to a bunch of flat-shaded triangles.

>>15230883

But those are real games anon.

>>15231044

> the game is made by some faggots who would rather make a movie but know their garbage can't cut it in a medium with anything but bottom of the barrel standards when it comes to story, so they make a video game instead.

This is 100% truth

I think the problem isn't that people are using the medium to make those things, that could be a market of it's own if they were actually good like VNs, no one expects gameplay from a VN, they're their own thing, the problem is that they're making shitty games while trying to sell them as something more than that.

of course its going to depends on how much i dont like the gameplay. not every game is a big winner so it would have to be extremely boring for me to just drop it when im enjoying the story.

i cant even think of a time this has happened but i have dropped games that were absolutely no fun before. maybe im not as invested in stories as i think, or i just drop un fun games before i have a chance to grow interested in the story. but i certainly do enjoy some of them.

nowadays people have the luxuries of youtube and whatnot if they just want to see the story. sometimes i check out videos when i want to see alternative outcomes for games with branching paths that i have no intention of pursuing.

>>15229925

>Do you spoil yourself by watching a longplay

This. I just tried Rainworld, soon learned that it was too hard for me, and then watched it on Youtube. I have done this with many games and always come to agree that I did the right thing.

>>15232405

jrpgs say otherwise. ya aint playing them for the gameplay.

>>15232405

>cuckchan reddit lefty waaaa

yeha, you're the prime example of reactionary retard.

I feel like people here are a bit too black and white on the matter. I think it's sad but I also fully understand why.

I think one of the big things that endears or breaks a mediocre game for me is the intent. Was the game trying to simply be pretentious garbage and not actually a game? Or did the devs actually try and just sorta flounder? I think even a shitty game you can detect if it was made genuinely with love or not. I've played a lot of mediocre games in the past that I still enjoyed because there was an attempt, inspiration, and love put into them.

I prefer a mediocre game with soul, than a "by the numbers good" game that's soulless. Though obviously what is best is a good game with soul.

>>15233057

>reading Soytropes

Not even trying >>>/cuckchan/

>>15233057

Developers intent means fuck all. If a game comes out as shit, it's shit. No relativistic art school dropout muh soul bullshit makes a game worth playing. Even if it does, how much someone will put with a game's technical flaws or broken mechanics varies from person to person.

To remove some of the blanket-case opinion slinging, how about some actual examples? What games has anyone played where they felt satisfied after finishing it, even though it wasn't actually very good? There's no point in discussing the concept alone, because every game has it's own reasons to appeal to people. Everyone has at least a few games that they know aren't actually that great, but they still like them for some reason regardless.

Considering that games are the best medium for story telling (for me, at least), it would be an absolute shame to lose a good story to shit gameplay, but if a game is not fun to play, it's not fun to play, point blank. I think that by that point, if the game is that unenjoyable, I simply will not care about the story anymore, as the two fuel each other quite well.

>>15233066

>Even if it does, how much someone will put with a game's technical flaws or broken mechanics varies from person to person.

No fucking shit, but my whole post was from my opinion. No shit it's different for other people.

And I didn't say a shit game with soul is good, I said it's preferable to a passable one without soul. But I would argue that games with soul will in most cases be mediocre. If a game is able to compel you with its themes or concepts or whatever you've likely been playing it long enough to determine you can endure the gameplay to see it to the end. If the gameplay is really unbearable for a person they would probably drop it before it would really ne able to engage you on any level.

>>15233078

The first Ecco the Dolphin. The gameplay isn't necessarily bad, but it's kinda buggy and intentionally made with a lot of beginner traps in mind. However the controls are fun and the story, music and setting are interesting and incredibly unique. If it wasn't for those elements the game would be completely forgotten. Thankfully it didn't and got a sequel that fixed the problems of the original.

>>15233074

oh right, i forgot about

>le soy xddd

you're proving my point by doubling down the retardation in every post.

>>15233095

lol butthurt soyboy detected

show us your floppy man tits lmao

>>15233078

I already made a thread about it, but System Shock 2. All I can say is I am glad to know that after finally beating it, is that it's easily one of the most overrated "classic" games ever, and a massive downgrade from SS1 both in terms of gameplay and story.

>>15233095

Get some protein in your system cuck boy.

>>15233146

the fact that you were shitposting with your borderline personality disorder? glad to see mark doing his job right for once. even a broken clock is right twice a day they say.

I pushed through Witcher 2 for the story and politics, despite not liking the gameplay. I think it was worthwhile, considering how nostalgic I get for that plot.

>>15233198

Get fucked soy-chugger,you want story telling?Go watch a movie.In videogames the gameplay is king.

>>15233252

>In videogames the gameplay is king.

Not always. For example, INFRA, a puzzle game, is more about exploration, the autism of the protagonist (he needs to fix broken machinery despite finding bodies because he is a German), and corruption plots than actual gameplay. It's one of my favorite games for doing this so well and having such a neat environment to run around in and learn about. The gameplay isn't bad in it, but it certainly is not king in every computer game. That said, truly bad gameplay can ruin any game just as ultraliberal pozz does.

>>15233285

>Not always

Yes always.

>example: some game with exploration based gameplay

>explains why its good by describing exploration game play

You just disproved your point.

Read a book for a story. Games are not about fucking story telling, they're about interacting with mechanics.

>>15233360

It's non-interactive exploration, though. And many of the things found are plot related, or explain what workers were doing in their lives. You are trying to conflate story and gameplay using misleading semantics, and my point still holds.

>>15229925

Longplay. If the gameplay sucks and you're basically in it for the cinematic shit then play it the way it's meant to be played, on youtube.

Suffering through mindnumbingly weak gameplay for hours on end is completely worthless. I'd recommend playing a game properly if it were a proper game, but when it isn't, there's no sense in subjecting yourself to that (or buying the game). Just watch the bits that interest you on youtube for free.

>>15230753

>cuckchan meme

>>>/ovens/

>>15229951

>It's a great and weird story, but the gameplay is shit

Drakengard gamepaly shit?

Wut?