/v/ - Video Games

I can read the text in OPs pics, but that game looks like garbage. What are some Japanese-only games you'd recommend?

>>15227906

>リリーパ族の伝言を伝えろ!

Convey Lilipa Clan's message!

>ふむふむ

hmmmm…. (this is a colloquial expression, a sort of hum that indicates approval, like "uh-huh")

>ばんじゃい

According to Rikaichan, this is ばむ + ちゃう + ます form, ばむ meaning "to show signs of, to appear"

I think she is saying something like, "are you going to show them to me?" meaning the little rabbit's hands, in this case. Like, when a police officer says "keep your hands where I can see them" it could also be said, "show me your hands" but in this case the thing that she is referring to is being omitted, so it would just be "(will you) show me (your hands)?". I think this makes sense because she's got him subdued with a weapon. I could be totally wrong, though. Grain of salt and all that.

>ホールドアップ

This means "hold up", which makes sense, she's got him subdued at gunpoint.

As for what the rabbit thing is saying, he's just kind of saying "oh shit" but not in any intelligible way.

>>15227973

You're a fag. If you're going to learn, then learn. If not, stop taking the act of learning a language so flippantly.

>>15228466

>ばんじゃい

>>15227906

It's just a ばんざい banzai (to lift both hands high up), like she's telling the other guy to do it but talking like a child (like when people talk to little kids or babies or whatever)

>>15228542

yeah, I thought about that as well.

>>15228542

>>15228466

Thanks anons, helps me out a ton

>>15227678

How long do you anons spend in Anki every day?

I just spent a few hours doing vocab and kanji, about 100 each. I still have other decks. I think I'll turn new cards off for a few days and get them under control.

>>15228797

15-20 min per 100 cards.

>>15227711

>that game looks like garbage

It's mediocre, I wouldn't say garbage though.

>Japanese-only games

I wouldn't mind some recommendations too. I've only played a few, and nothing all that good except for MHP3rd.

>>15228797

30-40 minutes for just a vocab deck. I use other materials for kanji/grammar though.

>>15228797

I used to aim for less than 30 min, of late 20 or less. Today 85 cards / 10 min. Practically there's a little more time spent there since for some cards I might look more closely at the answer side and I write for my kanji cards, often after revealing the answer side. Still under 20 minutes. Could be faster if some of my cards were formatted differently.

>>15228805

That's way too fast. Your cards must be lacking details.

Someone please explain to me how the kanji pictured here (top left) is remotely the same as the one it is showing how to draw

https://jisho.org/search/%E5%86%B7%20%23kanji

>>15231810

Handwriting and computer fonts differing from time to time is completely normal even for western languages. For example the "a" is rendered differently on the computer than it is written on paper. I guess it has something to do with legibility.

What's the best course of action to take when I find a kanji I can't read, and there's no furigana or any option to copy and paste the text?

>>15233023

You can try OCR shit if it's on computer and not handwritten, like KanjiTomo. If you have an android phone, google translate is usually pretty good at recognizing kanji from a photo (just ignore the translation, it's garbage). Depending on your IME you might be able to draw the letters, but it usually requires you to get stroke order right and draw unbelievably well (or well, just use google translate's handwritten input, that works reasonably well, just use an incognito window for it). If all else fails, learn the radicals and click on radicals on jisho.org.

けんとへ (To Kento)

ごめんなさい (I'm Sorry)

リミをよろしくおねがいします (Please take care of Rimi)

ママをゆるして (Please forgive Mom) can't read the rest of the line here

>>15233308

>KanjiTomo

How did I not know about this. Does this work with VNs, emulated games and/or anime? It's probably all I need if it does.

>>15233829

ooh. wow that is sad.

thanks anon!

>>15233915

Are you talking about the app Google Handwritten Input?

This KanjiTomo stuff is so fucking useful. It should be linked in the OP for the next threads

>>15233915

>web service

>uses internet connection

duh

More seriously, yes I know it, I don't use it if I can, but I still haven't found anything that works reliably. There are opensource and whatever ocr and handwriting recognition stuff, but they're all shit. In the previous thread there was a discussion about KanjiTomo, and you'd have to tweak it to read normal black letters on a lightish background, on a screenshot. If you instead you only have a bad scan or a blurry photo, it's useless.

>>15231654

Cards should be fairly basic in most cases and, provided you know the material well, they should go by very fast. It only takes seconds to read, understand, flip, affirm and rate. Even for cards with more elaborate answer sides with definitions, examples and the works though, if you already know the answer, there's no real need to go over all that stuff. Just when you need a refresher on the details. Flashcards should mostly be a study aid, not a primary means of learning and so you don't want to spend copious amounts of time with them.

>>15234427

What do you mainly use for vocab and kanji? Do you just read until you find words you don't know?

>>15234069

This reminds me I wanted to ask for input on the OP:

注目

If there is anything someone thinks would be good to add to it just post a link and I (or whoever makes the next thread) can add it in there. I don't think it has been updated in a while, so some fresh shit could be good.

>>15233938

dunno if it's from google, It was suggested by "kanji learning" app

>>15234578

https://www.kanjitomo.net/

>>15234485

Once I got to the point where I could read like half a volume of manga a day without wanting to kill myself too badly, yes, that is where the majority of new words I learned came from. Up until that point Anki was a bigger part of my study regimen. Should have said I do think that's fine in the very beginning I guess. Still wasn't my primary source of learning.

>>15234578

I think it could be downsized quite a bit personally.

So I'm supposed to be trying to read manga right now. Problem is by the time I've finished my 2+ hours of anki (which takes a minimum of 4 hours real time), I'm too mentally exhausted to get through more than about 3 pages at most (I'm at the stage where it can take 10-20 minutes to decipher a page to where it's barely understandable)

>>15236692

>2+ hours of anki (which takes a minimum of 4 hours real time)

How many decks and new cards is that? Reading anything is going to be really fucking hard when you just start, but you may be trying to read something harder than you can handle too. You could try to find something easier to read, or scale back your anki to have more time.

>>15236692

You should really cut back on your Anki time then, because reading is much more important than simple vocab grinding.

>>15233023

Get Tagaini Jisho from https://www.tagaini.net/ . It's a powerful, libre dictionary that has a ton of tools for searching words and kanji. You can even search kanji by components, so if you recognize part of a kanji and know a reading, use that in your IME to put it in the "Components" field under the kanji tab. Then, learn SKIP codes. They're very, very simple three digit codes that can vastly reduce your search scope:

If the Kanji can be divided into a right and left element, like 獣、物、所、 then the first digit is 1, the second digit is the number of strokes in the left element, and the third digit the number of strokes in the right.

If it can be divided into a top and bottom, like 会、年、長、 the first digit is 2, the second is the number of strokes in the top element, and the third is the number of strokes in the bottom element. Be careful here: if the two elements are not connected, just take the very first contiguous figure: in the above example, 会 is 2-2-4, NOT 2-3-3. If they are connected, stop at the first horizontal line that covers the entire breadth of the full-width character. For instance, 年 is 2-2-4 as well, but 長 is 2-5-3, NOT 2-2-6 or something.

If there's an enclosure, as in 通、庭、園、 then the first digit is 3, the second is the number of strokes in the enclosure, and the third is the number of strokes in the enclosed element(s). the three kanji above are 3-3-7, 3-3-7, and 3-3-10, respectively.

All other kanji have a first digit of 4. The second digit in these cases is the stroke count, and the third is a based on the type of kanji again. If the kanji has a horizontal line at the top, it's one. If it has a horizontal line at the bottom, it's 2. If there's a vertical line dividing it down the middle, it's 3. For any other kanji, it's 4. For instance: 雨 is 4-8-1; 白 is 4-5-2; 牛 is 4-4-3; and 丼 is 4-5-4.

>>15237735

This looks mighty useful

>>15227973

>not checking for singles

I checked for singles the other day and I've already restarted learning.

This is the thread where i can level up my Ching Chong level?

>>15237047

Right now the grammar deck is frozen so it's only 20 vocab and 10 kanji, and about 300 reviews between the two.

I'm reading Sketchbook which is the second recommendation in the learner package from here. The vocab is pretty easy and it has furigana, provided the scan is legible. My problem tends to come from hiragana words and grammar. I often can't figure out if something is a word in hiragana or some partcle construction or a contraction and the lookups rarely help there. Combined with incomplete "speech" and it's just tough going.

>>15238694

Being that it's a review, and there was a very large space between when you last seen the card when you were learning prior, Anki basically thinks that even though you didn't do your reviews, if you remembered the information after that large a time span, then that further span should be fine. Any new cards you do shouldn't have gaps like that.

>>15239081

30 new cards a day is a fairly high amount. At least it is for someone like me and many others. I also think scaling back could be good, but you could probably simplify and speed up the Anki card answering process too.

>>15238694

By default the maximum interval is 100 years or something like that, you can lower it at the deck settings. I've set it to 5 years, but maybe even that is too long.

If you skipped doing review for a long time and restarted, you'll see absurd numbers like that. The reasoning is something like if you remembered it months or years after it's due date, then you probably know it better than the SRS algorithm thought,

>>15239306

Just click on Again if you don't know it, then it will reset that card. You can also reschedule them from the browse screen. But now that you deleted it it's pointless…

>>15234427

It should never be that simple with Japanese. Most of the words have numerous definitions which need to be elucidated with proper examples. You should have numerous example sentences to read through and review per card showing the contrasting usages for each definition, otherwise you aren't really learning shit.

>>15241057

If you're expecting to learn contextual usage of words through flashcards instead of actual exposure, I'm sorry, you're doing it wrong. You should approach Anki only for memorizing kanji and a bunch of compounds with different readings per kanji so you can memorize them all. Expecting to remember contextual details of words and phrases exclusively from memory instead of from constant usage/reading is a fool's errand, and you're also just wasting time.

>>15241057

Other than when you're starting out and just getting in some basic vocabulary, I wouldn't suggest learning many words in Anki. It's main purpose should be reviewing so as to not forget that which you have already learned. Regardless, most of your cards per day will be reviews and you should be familiar with most of them since you do (you do, don't you?) your daily reviews. You don't need to read definitions and example sentences every single time when all those words that you know perfectly well come up. Just a quick glance to check that you're right and you're mostly good. You can spend more time than a glance, but you don't really need much more than that for most.

How many new cards per day should I have in Anki for the grammar deck?

>>15241104

>>15242385

>>15234427

I disagree with you entirely on that. It is a simple affair to learn different meanings in context through different example sentences.

For example, from this one:

人心地がつく

「風呂につかって、やっと―・いた」

娘が無事で救出されたって聞いた途端、親父は人心地がついた。

伸された格闘家は数分後、人心地がついた。

錯乱した狂人は精神病の薬物治療を受けて人心地がつくどころか、もっと乱暴になっちゃった。

I know it means "to be relaxed" in the first sentence. "To be relieved" in the second sentence. "To regain consciousness" in the third sentence. And "to come to one's senses / regain sanity", in the fourth sentence. This is a shorter example, but I have cards with as many as 10+ sentences for words/phrases that have even more meanings. I do this on top of daily reading. It does indeed help me to recall all the particular meanings of a word/ phrase when I might otherwise forget some of them.

Say you look up a word or phrase you encounter while reading. It's better to make a card and review it 10 times or however many reviews you'd do in a month before the next time you encounter it. That way you don't forget it, and you don't need to look it up again the next time you encounter it. That's the whole point.

Anki is indeed a valuable tool for learning any kind of vocabulary, period. Even for advanced learners. What's the alternative? There is none.

>Been doing Anki on my phone (Core10k) for just under a year now.

>Left phone at home yesterday, have to do it from a work computer.

>Realize AnkiWeb has a tool to do it right on their site, instead of having to download it to the computer. Awesome.

>When doing it, it displays the okurigana above all of the kanji, even on the front side of the card. This has never been the case on my phone.

What in the goddamn hell is this? Normally, I require myself to memorize the contextual pronunciation of the words and characters too, because it's never been on the front of the card before. Doesn't having okurigana defeat half of the point? Is the website displaying the cards wrong, or is my phone? Have I been doing it wrong the entire time? Could I have been learning far more cards than I have been?

Is reading Futaba channel (or 2channel) helpful to learn Japanese slang?

>>15242460

bumping. It's set to 10 by default, but Anki has been fucky with defaults before.

>>15242473

>Say you look up a word or phrase you encounter while reading. It's better to make a card and review it 10 times or however many reviews you'd do in a month before the next time you encounter it. That way you don't forget it, and you don't need to look it up again the next time you encounter it. That's the whole point.

I mostly agree with this and that learning using example sentences is fine. I'm just saying you don't need to do all that reading every time you see the card after you've already looked it up and comprehended it. I'll do that with cards I have trouble with and that's all. Just a quick review (particularly for the cards you know well) like I described is typically sufficient to not forget most cards. You'll undoubtedly forget less doing what you do, but it's not really worth the trade off in time. Like the anon who spurred this conversation spending hours on a couple hundred cards. That's just way too much.

>>15242626

Do you mean furigana? If so I'd say you wouldn't want that on flash cards since you should be working to not need the assistance. Okurigana is a normal part of the language, furigana just displays the reading of a kanji/word.

>>15243156

It can be hard to recommend new card counts since everyone has different time commitments and ability levels. Keep in mind as you get deeper in, more reviews start occurring, so you may be able to have it a little higher at first and then have to scale it back. I kept it at 10 when I was using a grammar deck.

>>15242789

Also slightly curious about this since id like to have some practice reading rather than staring at anki every day. Are their posts any good though? I feel like i saw something not too long ago on /v/ and they practically had the mindset as is present here

>>15244129

>Do you mean furigana?

I did, I misspoke.

>If so I'd say you wouldn't want that on flash cards since you should be working to not need the assistance.

Yes, that's what I thought. However, I also realize that if I don't stress learning the readings as hard right now, it would enable me to learn more meanings per day. I wasn't sure if that's what I was supposed to be doing, and letting the readings sink in more passively over time.

>>15244237

There's probably a field for the deck format for the furigana and you could either remove that from the card layout or delete the field altogether.

>>15243156

Starting a little lower and adjusting it to what your comfortable with after reviews start stabilizing is one way to go about it.

>>15244326

The hiragana and katakana ones are probably fine they are really easy to learn. Kanji is a lot harder to learn so it depends if it teaches everything you need. You should probably also learn some vocabulary while learning kanji.

>>15244237

>>15244366

Well it needs to have furigana on the back side, that's how you learn the pronunciation in the first place. I guess you could just imitate the audio but I wouldn't rely on that.

>>15244326

>Over 200 Kanji characters

what a fucking joke. I knew that shit was bad but damn

>>15244326

I wouldn't spend money on something that's basically teaching you the alphabet (first two, kana are simple and shouldn't take long).

I also would personally advise strongly against front loading yourself with a lot of pure kanji before you've even started learning vocab. There's a reason even native speakers aren't expected to know 200 kanji until they're in second grade: knowing the kanji's meaning and reading is really supplemental as long as you can remember how to write and pronounce individual words. Kanji are really something you do along side vocabulary, not like an alphabet or kana.

BUT, if you do want to learn kanji upfront, there are many more-complete, free kanji resources.

I guess if you have to study in the form of an edutainment game then this is your best bet.

>>15252234

you should be doing both at the same time.

>>15252330

>not learning all the grammar, then all the kanji, then all the vocab in that order

ディスアナラブ

>>15252362

You caught me, the actual only way to make it is to learn grammar in romaji using exclusively English words, then you learn Kanji and memorize the readings in kana, then you memorize vocabulary in a mix of kanji and romaji, then you learn how to actually pronounce ok kana.

So I'm going to be vacationing for a week without any internet. Fortunately, I have a Kindle, so I can planning on downloading a few books onto it. Does anyone have the Kindle version of Tae Kim's book and all the volumes of Remembering the Kanji? I'd much rather have them be digital rather than scanned so I can take notes.

>>15252454

Tae Kim's book is available as a PDF from his site: http://www.guidetojapanese.org/grammar_guide.pdf

Also if you want to pay like a good goy, there's a "kindle version" from amazon, whatever that means: https://www.amazon.com/Guide-Japanese-Grammar-approach-learning-ebook/dp/B00HZYUVV2

>>15253865

>Also if you want to pay like a good goy, there's a "kindle version" from amazon, whatever that means

Generally the kindle version of a book is the same as a normal ebook with minimal additional effort put into how they display on kindle devices plus an Amazon DRM.

The other "features" like annotations, highlighting, and search are possible to do with any decent ebook reader assuming the book itself isn't horribly formatted. The other "benefits" are just trying to lock potential customers into a shitty "ecosystem".

Trying to convert a kindle ebook into any other format epub, pdf, mobi, etc tends to cause tiny bits to shift where they did "optimize" for their 9~in screens, fucking the formatting up entirely.

Amazon should only be used If you're really intent on paying for shit, you can't find the book anywhere else, and you like giving more power to the complete faggots at amazon hq.

>>15252362

Learning vocab without kanji is retarded. And so is learning kanji without vocab. Learn both at the same time. Mastering grammar takes far less time than mastering vocabulary, which is virtually an endless endeavor, so obviously, you should have a bigger focus on grammar at first.

>>15242789

>>15244228

I've been lurking 2chan the last week. I haven't really seen anything that interesting. The game board isn't all that active either. It is native speech though, so I think it's probably worth checking out just to see how they post. Plus if you ever want to post on Japanese sites you'll want to know their etiquette. They also have a cat board that is pretty cute.

>>15252416

The best way is to learn radicals first, then learn Russian, then translate a Russian Japanese grammar guide to English, then learn katakana and rewrite the grammar guide in that script, then get a copy of Remembering the Kanji and burn it since Kanji isn't really needed, and then learn the 500 most common words in Romaji. After that you'll be good to enjoy almost any Japan only game and could get a job translating at NISA.

Totally overwhelmed with reviews, so I'm going to take a week off from new words and kanji and just focus on trying to get the old ones down.

>>15256008

Thanks. I don't wanna post but why some boards display the IP address of the poster?

>>15262842

no anon, frontloading yourself with a ton of extra information that is

>more difficult than vocab (if you're learning readings)

>literally useless for speech and writing production when done alone

> only marginally useful for reading comprehension in isolation

is stupid when there is no reason you can't start learning vocabulary written in kanji right away.

Kanji is a supplemental skill that improves your reading comprehension and writing, but only once you're at a high level with it. At first, the major benefit of studying kanji is reinforcing vocab, but since most vocab won't need reinforcing, doing kanji before vocabulary is a poor allocation of time, and probably leads to burnout.

Seriously, some of you ITT learn more kanji than a native speaker learns between second and sixth grade before you learn a single piece of first grade vocab, and it's ridiculous.

>>15263192

I don't know. I've noticed boards can be set up a little differently with things like that. Obviously it is some superior Nippon imageboard thing.

>>15263268

This anon knows what he's talking about

>>15263268

>dude the house will get done so much faster if you build while you're doing the foundation

>I bet you don't even have a bed to sleep in because you think the concrete has to be dry before you build, it's ridiculous

>>15264039

Kanji is more like gravel in the mixture that becomes concrete. The best foundation is a mixture. The main ingredients being vocabulary, grammar and kanji. They bind and strengthen one another to give you a solid start to build yourself into fluency from.

>>15264291

You can easily learn Kanji by learning vocab but not the other way around.

>>15264039

>if I keep using the same dumb analogy that doesn't actually apply then that will debunk all the reasons that my analogy is flawed.

An overt knowledge of individual kanji isn't foundational. The foundation of language comprehension and production is vocabulary. I would advise it but it's totally possible to achieve a very high level of proficiency without ever studying a single kanji individually. There is no reason you couldn't; the worst that would happen is that you might take longer to learn certain difficult words and your reading comprehension skills will be slightly slower to develop and you'll have a bit more trouble with deciphering words from context.

>>15265408

wouldn't* advise it

>>15265408

The most helpful part of learning to write kanji is that it helps you distinguish between different characters. There are quite a few kanji with only one small radical different. If your only exposure to them is by vocab and reading you probably won't even notice that two different words use two slightly different kanji, and you'll have a harder time telling which one is which even when you know they are different.

Learning to write them helps you to memorize them as something more than one set of squiggles vs another.

>>15266045

Those are other things they help with but they aren't reasons to study kanji without vocab. Also you should really study vocabulary using typed answers and a drawn input IME.

(you) can't learn japanese

>>15266615

(You)こそ、他の名無しさんの勉強を辞めさせられないくせに。

今すぐ切腹せよ。

>>15266615

Most of the fuckers in this thread can't.

>>15265302

I never said anything to the contrary, but I will say that doesn't come easy to everyone. Recognizing and differentiating kanji and some vocabulary can be a difficult task for some without some additional work put in on that front. Whether you do any outright kanji study or not, you're still learning it and it's still one of the multiple things one should work on to reach basic usability of the language. You can't use the language if you only learn one aspect of it.

>>15266764

ching chong ping pong, no one here speaks rice nigger

>>15234427

>Flashcards should mostly be a study aid, not a primary means of learning and so you don't want to spend copious amounts of time with them.

Oops

>>15268111

>no one here speaks rice nigger

もどかしい事言うのね。

Commit seppuku, breadnigger.

>>15268111

>「nobody speaks rice」と思う

>日本語のスレード

>「ching chong」と言う

>ヴィデャをするが、中国語が日本語だと思うほどとても馬鹿だ。

Does anyone have a copy of Remembering the Kanji volume 3 third edition? The only links I can find online are outdated. It should start at 2201.

>>15267771

This post >>15265302 should have been to >>15262842

Sorry for the mixup.

>>15272086

>now that emuparadise is kill

What when did this happen I just grabbed a bunch of DC isos from there.

>>15272607

nintendo fucked us again basically

>>15271876

>>15272086

seconding this, specially for PS2 isos

>Be studying Japanese

>Almost 2 years in and way past 1000 cards on anki

>Read Tae Kim left and right

>Use Ankidroid since wage slave

>Have shitty 4gb micro SD

>Ankidroid gave me a lot of troubles because of that

>Can't even fit music

>Decide to change to a 16gb card

>Everything is heaven for weeks

>One day card corrupts

>Lose most progress

>Can't find any motivation to start again

>Can feel how I'm losing some words

I need help…

>>15275941

>2 years

Start reading more, better than memorizing words

English is my second language, and I had english classes for years. It wasn't untill I decided that I had to change the way I approached it that I got what I consider to be useable (maybe even for work) levels of english.

The best change I did was that I started watching movies and videos without subtitles, pausing and rewinding frequently, taking notes guessing what people were saying, then checking with subtitles on later.

>>15275941

Anon, don't get stuck into Anki.

Focus on practical use of the language. Reading short articles, watching some simple raw anime, or maybe even find some native Japanese speaker to converse with, etc.

Maybe try Futaba?

>>15264039

>yeah when I was in First Grade our teachers were efficient, we didn't learn grammar until we had memorized enough words to reach 9th grade level first. It's the only proper way to speak a learn a language.

>>15275971

I know what you mean anon, english is not my first language either. Still, there's little else I can do other han Tae Kim. Reading manga is really really tedious. If there was something to instant translate the kanji I don't recognize it would be easier since I do get stuck. Same with vidya. I played some Castlevanias on Japanese since I know them left to right. That helped, but I'm thinking what else can I play in Japanese that I played left to right. Maybe Mario 64 or something like that.

>>15275980

I want to try futaba but dunno if I should start from the beginning or something.

Also, I forgot to say, I have no internet atm. If you have like a futaba download link I'd appreciate it.

>>15276623

>Reading manga is really really tedious.

やらなかったら絶対に進めないだろう。

Well, there's no way around it. Some of us have been there anon, it's exhausting at until you stop opening dictionaries, sure.

You have to train yourself recognizing each kanji and vocabulary without the assistance of furigana at some point. If you want to avoid that phase for now, you can look up a tutorial about Text-hooking a Japanese visual novel onto a browser equipped with Rikai-chan/Rikaisama which will help you lookup kanji and vocabularies much faster while reading a VN.

>I want to try futaba but dunno if I should start from the beginning or something.

I don't know what you mean by that, are you referring to a name of a manga?

I was referring to Futaba Channel, a Japanese imageboard. Since you have limitations on internet, I see that my suggestion isn't useful for this occasion anyway.

>>15275941

Friendly reminder to sync your decks with AnkiWeb or otherwise make regular backups if you don't want this to happen.

Seconding to start enjoying some Japanese media. You'll start at a bit of a crawl but you'll pick yourself up somewhere along the way. Studying can be tedious, but you gotta do it if you want to learn. Just treat those previous Anki words as the basics you'll come across frequently while you read, that'll be your reviews for those, and start up a new deck if you want for new words you learn while reading. I would suggest something more text/dialogue-heavy than Mario.

>>15276831

>you can look up a tutorial about Text-hooking a Japanese visual novel onto a browser equipped with Rikai-chan/Rikaisama which will help you lookup kanji and vocabularies much faster while reading a VN.

Sounds good, anything about it in the OP?

>are you referring to a name of a manga?

I stupidly mixed futaba with yotsuba.

>>15277955

I had problems with my internet at that point so I couldn't sync it for the time being. I'm in there but without like 250 or so new cards.

So far, I've only been listening to a shit ton of anime openings and stuff like that, it's nice to understand a few words and trying to make sense out of it, it's also nice when animes have subtitles in the opening so you can listen to and start to understand what it means, specially along english subtitles. One piece is great for that.

>>15275941

I've had troubles like this too because of a failing phone. There were times when I lost days of progress, and it looked like I was going to lose all of it. Anon is right, you need to use AnkiWeb, so even if your entire phone dies, you'll be able to access it. I recommend forcing a resync at the end of each day, too. Did the entire SD card fuck up, or just the Anki collection? There are ways to recover corrupted Anki databases covered in their FAQ, which I had to do. Assuming there's no way to recover it, don't sweat it too much. It will suck, but you should be able to get back on track relatively quickly, if you restart. Re-install the decks you were using, and re-add all of the cards that you had previously learned, and hit Easy on them repeatedly. Do extra repetitions if you need to. Then, once you've done it enough so that the card times are roughly where they were, resume doing the deck normally. Because of how Anki works, it will self-regulate based on your input, and eventually correct them all back to the appropriate times.

>>15275971

>>15277955

>I would suggest something more text/dialogue-heavy than Mario.

It feels like everything that I play is either too complex to understand, or too simple and story-light to be challenging and incite growth. What are some games at a good middle ground for that? At the moment, I'm trying Mega Man ZX, since I haven't played it, but roughly know the plot, it has voices, and it had content removed in the west. But even with a game this simple, I'm only getting maybe 20-35% of what's said without referring to a dictionary. I suspect this is because I've mostly been grinding Anki, rather than practicing through reading and listening.

Is there a way to suspend Anki? I'm really busy at work and the reviews are piling up. It generally asks me to do around 90-110 per day but because I've been getting home so late it's now at 400+ and rising.

>>15279110

You can set new cards to 0, but that's not exactly suspending. I don't think you can suspend it completely.

>>15278251

>Sounds good, anything about it in the OP?

No, and I've forgotten where the tutorial is, but there should be a similar tutorial on the internet.

Here's a tutorial on text hooking VNs. I don't have any links on how to transfer the hooked text into a browser.

https://amaenboda.wordpress.com/2012/03/26/an-aero-gamers-guide-to-using-atlas/#more-2047

Next time, do your own research.

What if we replaced all radicals with emojis?

>>15278976

Any of the Mario RPGs are pretty easy but you would still need to put in a little effort. I actually played the remakes for 3DS but I had to quit because the art style is ass. But I definitely recommend the GBA ones. The Pokemon games are also on the easier side once you've translated things like moves/natures and such.

>>15278976

A lot of what I played for games around the time I started reading was doujin ero-RPGs. There's a good amount of text but still breaks of gameplay and they tend to be easier to understand than regular RPGs. I also read a bit of non-erotic doujinshi. Since doujin stuff is often done by amateur writers they tend not to be too complex, I found. There's definitely a starting slope where you have to learn a bunch of basic game (and erotic) terms that aren't in something like Core. After your first few games things should go more smoothly. It's the same for reading about different topics for the first time.

Thoughts on duolingo?

>>15285301

Did you read the OP at all?

>>15285310

I'm asking specifically because of it

>>15285301

>>15285315

Okay, let's post the consensus on the matter.

>we know that it exists and it is generally frowned upon for using a contrascientific new-aged hippie didactic philosophy, and is designed feel as effortless as possible, even at the expense of actually learning anything.

>>15285329

>we

>anonymous imageboard

>>15285337

Okay, just so your feefees aren't hurt

>I know that it exists and it is generally frowned upon for using a contrascientific new-aged hippie didactic philosophy, and is designed feel as effortless as possible, even at the expense of actually learning anything.

>>15285375

>I

>anonymous

25 new Kanji per day is too easy. I want to bump it up but I'm worried it would mess up the balance and I'd end up with too much to review. Is 25 the sweet spot?

>>15285526

Part-time JP->EN translator here.

How the hell did you manage to memorise that many characters in one day?

頑張りすぎじゃん

時々にも息抜きしていいだろう

もしかして一日中暇なの？それとも毎日も暇？

うらやましい

>>15285526

Each person's "sweetspot" is different. If you find 25 to be better try 25, if you start to dislike it, tone it down. Do what feels the most efficient to you without causing massive burn out.

>>15285553

I'm interested in becoming a translator. What do I have to do to get started (aside from the obvious, like actually knowing the language)?

>>15285526

Is Kanji the only thing you are doing? I was eventually getting overwhelmed just doing 10 per day. My reviews for kanji were over an hour long so I took a week off of anything new. Maybe if I wasn't also doing vocab 20 might seem reasonable, but it would still pile up after a while.

>>15285695

It's trying to attract the achievements crowd and make them believe they are making progress towards learning a language with all the game bullshit that means nothing. XP, levels, achievements, etc.

I used it a bit as supplementation for German when I was taking classes. It doesn't really "teach" much. It presumes you can infer the grammar and rules based on the short, repetitive phrases it feeds you over time.

The issue is that it's giving you multiple choice shit a lot and isn't helping you learn the language so much as it is teaching you to look for the correct answers in the quiz questions.

>>15285570

Anon, the translation business has literally no entry barrier other than language skill. Even education degrees don't matter, you can even drop out from grade school and still get a translation job, but sometimes you need to have proofs that you've passed certain language proficiency tests e.g. JLPT or BJT for Japanese and iBT TOEFL or IELTS for English.

I don't know how to answer this question in a way that might satisfy you, but if you want to prepare for even more contingencies, then I suggest to build a durable connection to clients. You can do this by joining a good company (the big ones or ones specialising in niche markets) or establish your own name by word of mouth and build clients from there. Each method obviously has its pros and cons.

Here's a good reference for you to read.

https://shinpaideshou.wordpress.com/

>>15285695

>>15285749

I think this approach is acceptable if you just don't have that much time to study the language full time. I use Lingodeer, which is very similar, while on the train to college. It definitely beats playing shitty games on your phone.

>>15285588

You don't have a spare 15 minutes a day to do intense study?

>It definitely beats playing shitty games on your phone.

First off, you can emulate good games, second off, you are replacing a fun entertaining game (perhaps even one you could be playing in Japanese!) with a shittier educational one that isn't very efficient at all.

>>15285841

Can you give me an example of an intense daily study that takes 15 minutes?

>you can emulate good games

With shitty mobile touch controls? No thanks.

>>15285301

I've learned multiple languages and used Duolingo a lot. It's a good tool and a useful supplement for vocabulary, but not a sufficient tool to learn any language on its own. It's essentially useful as a flashcard tool, and similarly does almost nothing to teach you any real grammar rules. Don't expect to learn a language with it, but feel free to use it for some good vocabulary drills and practice.

>>15285841

I just told you that the reviews took over an hour per deck. That's not because I miss days, it's because I forget words after a month or so.

>>15285832

You have a phone, there are better resources to use that would achieve a similar goal. If you need to play a "game" to get anything done you have a bigger issue with how you function.

>>15285816

Thanks for the info, anon. I appreciate it.

>>15285862

Sorry, didn't meant to reply to you, meant for >>15285841

>>15285848

15 minutes of fucking Anki would be better than playing a game. Sure, you'd need to heavily restrict new words and lower the ceiling for old words as well, but Anki let's you do that. You could even god forbid casually read the tae kim grammar sets, instead of getting pavlov into giving correct responses as opposed to actually learning anything. If you want a more bullshit explanation 15 minutes of doing something day for a month is enough to set a good habit. So that when you actually have more time to study, you study more.

By the way you are confirming you don't have more than 15 minutes of a free time a day?

>>15285863

>>15285903

I don't do it because it's a game, I do it because it's convenient. I don't have mobile data so I can't access the internet on the train. I tried other media to achieve the same goal. I have read learning japanese the manga way and tim kae's guide to japanese, the latter I often go back to in order to review grammar. The app does the same shit as Anki does except it's not fucking awful on mobile.

I didn't mention this but I also use Jsho as a dictionary and Kanji study for kanji flashcard memorization which is, again, the same that anki does, only not awful.

>>15285859

I'd like one of your decks just to see how you make it if you don't mind.

>>15286690

In that pic he's talking about how the Kanji are made up of "primitives".

The method involves making short stories based on these primitives, and rarely by looking at the Kanji like a pictograph. Heisig "changes the meaning" of some Kanji when they are used as a primitive to make stories easier, which is what that note is for. You don't have to copy his stories; I recommend making your own as much as you can because I find it helps me remember better than just copying someone else's. You could use nine to mean nine and not baseball in your stories if you want.

>>15285301

I'm the guy who wrote the post that the OP is based on (but not the guy who added it to the OP).

I've done a bit of research on foreign language education in the past and the thing about Duo is that it the only things it gets right is having spaced repetition (apparently it's spaced repetition formula is very good, too), and having a lot of different skills to practice (it has separate speaking, listening, reading and writing tests to various degrees, though these are limited by the quality of their machine translation and speech recognition tech)

The problem is that the main reason to use duolingo is learning grammar, and it does that in the worst way possible. I should say that I haven't tried the Japanese course specifically, but I have tried several other languages and occasionally check to see if it's still bad, and the problem seems too be with the way courses in general are designed, so I doubt Japanese is an outlier. Duolingo doesn't explicitly tell you anything about the language; when it trys to teach you new grammar, it just gives you examples of sentences that demonstrate it. It doesn't even point out which part of the sentence is different, so you might not even realize it was trying to teach to something. This is something you encounter a lot in language resources, especially those that are primarily used by individuals instead of schools. It's based on several things, mainly the ideas that young children learn languages that way and learn then well, and that learning by immersion is an effective way to learn.

The problem is of course that you are not a child, and you aren't immersed in a language unless you're using it almost every waking moment, and studies into the effectiveness of this method routinely say that after puberty you need explicit grammar instructions for good results.

It has a lot of other minor problems, like how limited and specific its vocab is and how little studying it expects you to do a day.

I summarized it originally as "Duolingo is designed to make it easy to say 'I am learning a language' but not to help you say 'I can speak another language'"

>>15233771

It's something like,

"To: Kento,

I'm sorry.

Please take care of Rimi.

Please forgive Mama."

＞けんとへ

＞ごめんなさい

＞リミをよろしくおねがいします

＞ママをゆるしてください

>>15231810

So basicly a lot of Japans printed fonts were a lot different from the handwritten style, then America came and told them to stop it, so they updated the font for about 2000 of them and those were the ones that they had to used in school and official documents, then a couple of years later they decided they needed more kanji so they added more without updating the font to match handwritten style. Thats why you end up with characters like 冷芦葛 and a lot more that I cant think of right now

ps. sorry for bad formating and spelling

produce some propaganda subtitles for the japanese

Moonfags. Translate this

>>15290634

Additional info: English version of this ^ says that King K. Rool and Kaptain K. Rool are two different characters. We want to know if the japanese version says the same thing, or if the english version changed it in the localization.

>>15290714

the last sentence is

>Kaptain K Rool who appeared in "Super Donkey Kong 2" is his brother.

>>15290743

Alright, thanks. I'll go them right away.

>>15290761

I'll go *tell them

>>15292179

>>15292179

アノンがあれにつりて話し出すのはありがとう。

Can I get Anki to show one side sometimes and the reverse sometimes? If I do reversed cards, it treats the front and back as separate cards and gives them different "remember" levels (not sure what it's called) and will often show both the front and back in the same session. I just want it to flip a coin as to which it shows and treat that as one card.

>>15295563

Something like this should work:

<div id="a">aaa</div>
<div id="b">bbb</div>
<script>document.getElementById(Math.random() < .5 ? 'a' : 'b').style.display = 'none';</script>

Replace aaa and bbb with fron and back side.

>and will often show both the front and back in the same session.

It shouldn't. Check deck->Options->New Cards->Bury related cards until the next day.

>>15297965

Browse->select a note->Cards->Front template

>>15298714

Looks like it works, but it chooses a random side when flipping the card as well. So you could get A as the front, and when you go flip it the front may or may not change to B.

I can kind-of get around this by showing the "front" and "back" information on the actual back, but it's still annoying. In this case it would be better to not show the front at all after flipping the card, is that possible?

>>15298865

Remove {{FrontSide}} from the back template and reinsert any information you need. (But it will replay audio, if you include it on both sides…)

Is anyone comfortable enough to do some translation?

>>15299964

I'm not one of them, but just post it, someone will probably look at it (even though this is not a translation request thread).

>>15227678

So I'm on vacation. I've been pretty busy, but I've memorized about 150 kanji after three days of relaxed study and am getting better. Not really reaching my goal of doing a thousand in a week, but once I get back and have some time to really buckle down, I'm sure I'll get there. I should probably learn the katakana at some point.

How do you guys learn the vocabulary? Anki? I'd much rather just use a book if I could. I have a good memory, so Anki just seems tedious.

>>15300813

Gotta be lying. In that case, you'd know 90% of the kanji you need to know in only one month.

>>15227678

Opinions on https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/? It is being used in the Japanese Learning Threads on 4chan as a maintained replacement for https://djtguide.neocities.org/.

>>15301158

It seems to be mostly the same thing but somewhat more updated and with a couple extras like that alternative guide which seems okay at a quick glance. Not terribly different from the regular guide from what I can tell. I'd say in being more up to date it's probably better.

>>15301158

I've just skimmed it a bit, but it looks to be identical to the djt guide. What's supposed to be different? Are there different links in the cornucopia of resources?

>>15300813

>not using Anki

Dumbass. You're going to forget most of that, especially at such a fast rate. If you don't forget, it's because you're reviewing all of them at once in an inefficient way.

Anyway, after you know Kanji and the kana, start looking for simple Japanese sentences. Look up words since you don't know any. Learn how things are used in context. At first, try to focus on words like "this" "what" "something" etc. Also particles. Then try to get verbs and nouns.

or you could be a lazy faggot and download an anki deck someone else made and try to assign perfect English translations to Japanese words one at a time by rote :^)

>>15301221

Compare the manga links on the front page for each site; that's what I personally use it for.

>>15301853

I'm willing to use Anki, but I'd much rather read a book because I'm better with that.

>>15301017

I have an eidetic memory and indomitable willpower. Granted, Japanese takes more time to solidify, but as I get going, I can remember a character after looking at it once or twice. I've also studied hypnotism and recommend that you trust your gut instinct. You could also try studying mnemonics, but I don't have any personal experience with it to tell you if it's a worth-while endeavor.

>>15301017

Oh yeah, and the book I'm using is Remembering the Kanji by James Heisig. There are three volumes, with the first one containing almost all of the 2136 jōyō kanji. It only focuses on stroke order, not the Japanese pronunciation. It also uses mnemonic devices to teach you. I'm sure if you focus on it intensely, you can get a much higher comprehension rate than 50 characters per day. I'll upload it when I get back to my computer.

Just a note, the book recommends that you translate English into kanji, not the other way around, but it doesn't tell you that until five lessons in.

>>15227678

Does anyone have the JP version of Yakuza 1(龍が如く） for the PS2? rip emuparadise

I asked in the share thread but its not really active and no one is really effective at sharing there. I thought this thread since is a little more active might know.

>>15304397

I've only started grammar days ago and I can already do that. Most translations are fucking horrendous.

>>15304397

>あのミケが最近仔猫を産んだらしい

<mike looks like he's been eating well recently

actually what how do you even get that from the original text?

>>15304488

It seems like the translator decided that the stray cats, which are always described by their color or pattern ("ミケ" means calico) are in fact named that. Because he's translating "ミケ" as "Mike" instead of calico he's assuming or defining the cat as male, therefor the whole idea of the cat having kittens makes no sense based on his prior translations. Instead of correcting things as he goes he's choosing to re-write the page in order to fit with his earlier misconceptions.

I had a feeling that it was something like that but I didn't someone would actually be so retarded to do that. You're probably right though.

>>15304519

I had a feeling that it was something like that but I didn't someone would actually be so retarded to do that. You're probably right though.

>>15304519

ミケ rikaisama says tortoise shell (pattern). Anon says calico. Turns out the rikaichan dictionaries wasn't updated in a while (after all, mozilla decided to create mozilla chrome, and borked extension support), but if you go to https://www.polarcloud.com/getrcx/ you'll find newer dicts there (scroll down to unsigned dictionary files).

But back to the topic:

>Mother Mike

Then starts to use "he"

It doesn't make sense, even if you only look at the translation

>>15304769

Tortoise shell (and white) is another word for calico. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calico_cat other names include brindle, tricolor cat, tobi mi-ke (Japanese for 'triple fur'), and lapjeskat (Dutch for 'patches cat').

>>15304397

スケッチブック really isn't a series you are going to benefit from using a scanlation as a reference for. It is replete with puns which do not translate without having to be heavily localised, as well as a few characters who speak in 博多弁. For that dialect, a better guide is J-J sites online that have grammar sections on 博多弁→標準語. Wikipedia has a surprisingly useful page with a basic guide on this: https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/博多弁

I wouldn't really suggest anyone use a side by side translation as a guide when reading manga, but for a series full of highly specific terminology, locality references, puns and dialect, the best guide is a grammar guide and a dictionary.

>>15306392

The purpose of the pre-translated version is both to sanity-check my own work and to help with anything I can't make any sense of. I go through, read what I can, and then read the translated page basically to see what I got wrong (though obviously it's the other way around sometimes). Otherwise I'd be skipping lots of sections that I can't decipher, not learning anything from them, and getting shit completely wrong left and right reinforcing the wrong way to do it without any way of knowing how it should be.

>>15304769

Look up 三毛猫 instead of just ミケ and it shows calico also.

>>15306968

If I'd know what word do I have to look up instead of what I see in the text, I wouldn't have to look up anything… but thanks anyways.

On an unrelated note, I tried to upgrade my new card count in anki from 5 to 15, so it won't take me another 5 years to finish core6k deck. It was fine for a few days, then my review times went up to 90 minutes from somehing like 45-60 mins. RIP my plans.

>>15308794

You could set it at 10 and see how that goes. Although if you have to review for 90 minutes with just vocab you might want to experiment a bit with study methods to help you remember words better.

>>15308794

I was just pointing out that the definition calico is also contained in vanilla rikaichan in case there were still doubts, not that you should have magically known that.

>>15317289

I cover roughly ~30 kanji per week which is a pace I'm finding works well to actually retain most of the shit I learn as opposed to just pumping stuff into my brain that I'll just end up forgetting tomorrow.

>>15317289

Alas, not everyone is a NEET.

>>15317312

>>15317307

It's not hard to do even 30 a day if you have an hour or two. Don't memorize readings, that's a waste of time.

>>15317309

Enjoy taking two years to learn basic Kanji.

>>15310371

Fair enough. Started to read that level 1 graded readers with their cute little ます／です grammar. It's basic as fuck, but hey, at least it's some text where I don't have to look up every second word!

>>15317289

>started jap somewhere around 2013 jul-aug

>I don't really do dedicated kanji study anymore only vocab, but I should be around 1000-1400 kanji

beat me

>>15317396

Everyone has to start with basic shit. Keep up the grind and you'll reach your goals.

>>15317388

>It's not hard to do even 30 a day

Maybe for you. Again, not everyone studies the same way. I personally don't like to study kanji more than 20-30 minutes a day.

Is it worth it making an account for AniDB? I've been having trouble finding jap subs for anime (or downloading anime that fits the subs that I do find) and they seem to hide stuff behind registration.

>>15317654

you try looking on animelon?

>>15318534

I thought that was for streaming, is it possible to download videos/subs from their website to your hard drive?

>>15318654

Not that I'm aware. Unfortunately, I don't think so.

>>15317388

It takes me an hour+ to do 10 per day, and it scales up exponentially. 30/day would probably take like 8 hours for kanji alone.

Bump.

Well, I have been having fun playing Link to the Past in Japanese. I've played the game in English more than a dozen times, so I already know what most text boxes will say, so this greatly helps me decipher the meaning of what's being said. I don't know if I'm just misinterpreting the language, but so far the English and Japanese versions of text seem to be quite similar, which is very surprising. Granted, I only just made it to the Sanctuary, so we'll see how the text changes from here. I plan on going throughout the entire game and writing out every single sentence from every single text box and trying to read them, and then go back and compare it to the English version. Yeah, yeah, call me autistic, but I think it's a worthwhile endeavor because I enjoy the game, so I'd play it anyway, and on top of that it gives me the opportunity to learn something about the language, and determine what might've been omitted from the official translation.

As an aside, do you think pitch accent is worth studying, or is that just some shitty meme? I'm inclined to believe the latter, given that Japanese isn't really a tonal language, and it's probably easy enough to determine the general cadence by simply engaging in conversation rather than trying to memorize a list of sound patterns.

>>15319846

Playing a game you already know the story/dialogue is great for training in another language. It's how I learned english and it also helps with japanese, plus it gives the games you like a kind of freshness. It's a good practice

>>15319846

>pitch accent

It's a shitty meme, at least for japanese. In chinese it probably matters a lot, but why would you want to learn chinese?

>>15319846

Pitch accent isn't very important but if you really want to sound perfect you have to look into it. implying gaijin will ever sound perfect

Writing all the text sounds like a good way to get SRS material. I'd type it in a txt file instead for copy/paste, but on the other hand you would get writing practice.

>>15319846

>autistic

I've already extracted every dialogue from a game and turned them into Anki cards. But if you do this, don't forget to look out for (((localization))).

>>15319932

>Playing a game you already know the story/dialogue is great for training in another language. It's how I learned english

Do you think that it's a good idea to listen to native Japanese but with subtitles in your mother tongue? Someone told me that it's a good idea, but it seems counter intuitive.

>>15319935

>>15319947

>It's a shitty meme, at least for japanese

>if you really want to sound perfect you have to look into it.

Eh, I don't care if I sound perfect or not. I just want native speakers to be able to understand what I say. While it'd be nice to sound perfect, I think it'd more important to get to the point where I can easily have "command" over the language, and be able to have a "stream of consciousness" just emit from my mouth without too much effort involved. That's what people typically refer to when they talk about being fluent in a language, right?

>>15320145

>localization

That's partly why I'm doing it, I want to see what, if anything, was omitted or changed between games. Even as early as the 90's, Nintendo has been notorious for its censorship tactics, and I know this game received a fucked translation, so it seems like playing it in Japanese is the only logical thing to do.

Here's an example of how different it is, this is what Zelda says when you arrive in the castle dungeon to save her:

リンク　よくきいてこの城の兵たちは、　みんな司祭アゲニムの、　魔術にあやつられているの。

Link, listen well, this castle's guards are all under the priest Agenim's magical control

お父様は、　たぶんもう・・・

'My father's probably already… [implying that he's fucking dead, whereas in the English version she just says, "I fear the worst for my father" It gets the point across but it's definitely cleaner language, isn't it?]

司祭は、人間ではないわ！　強い力を持った悪魔よ！

The priest isn't human! He possess strong demonic power!

In the English version she just says that he's an "inhuman fiend with strong magical powers" which kind of glazes over the implication that he's a demon of some kind. Also, he's referred to as a wizard instead of a priest, which makes me think they were just trying to avoid using any kind of words or phrases that could be tied to religion.

>>15320259

>It's good if you can't handle all that kanji that comes with an RPG or something like that, but if you can already into raws you don't need to bother with undubs.

>>15320523

Well I fucked that up horribly. Meant to quote your first sentence

>>15320259

Also

>強い力を持った悪魔よ

is literally "He's a demon that possesses strong power(s)!", the rest is on point

>>15320259

>Do you think that it's a good idea to listen to native Japanese but with subtitles in your mother tongue?

Bad idea definitely. Why have half of your focus away from the target language? A lot of subs aren't entirely accurate either so they may conversely lead to confusion on difficult parts. Not only that but it will inevitably have you thinking in terms of Japanese > native tongue instead of just Japanese alone. The goal should be simple comprehension, not translation.

>>15315299

Twenty volumes of colloquialisms and you'll probably rarely struggle with them again. Good stuff. Dialects are neat, I always like seeing them even though they can be a pain at first. The thicker the better.

>>15320259

don't listen to other purple itt about Pitch accent. They're salty that they'll never sound intelligible to a naive speaker and are fighting to defend their mistake. Pitch accent is super easy to learn and it's the single biggest thing that makes you sound like you a dumb gaijin to native speakers. It will also help you differentiate (otherwise) homophones and remember them. Use OJAD and add a ` after the accented mora in your anki deck and you're already so much better off.

>>15320813

>They're salty that they'll never sound intelligible to a naive speaker and are fighting to defend their mistake.

>Implying

I've spoken with a japanese tourist and she seemed to understand me perfectly. I wonder if it's something relevant to native english speakers though.

Does anyone here use a private tracker for jap stuff?

I know of animebytes which is supposed to be the best for anime, but what all do they have? I'm interested in games, anime, manga, books, audiobooks, TV shows, pretty much anything in Japanese.

>>15308794

So it's one thing that my reviews skyrocketed, but why did I forget old words just because I set new card limit higher? Send help.

What PC98 games would you recommend for a learner?

>>15323120

Animebytes has Anime, Manga, Light Novels, anime/manga related games, visual novels, eroge, music (pretty much anything japanese, either by language or origin). Audiobooks are probably OK, I do see some "Drama CDs" which I assume to be similar.

They do NOT allow doujin stuff of any kind. Games or manga, it has to be "officially" published. They are also geared more towards English speakers. That means that they often don't have raw manga, Japanese subtitles may not exist or work, and series without English translation might not be uploaded at all. None of those things are against the rules, they just aren't a priority.

>>15325118

Oh, also Live action if and only if it's related to Anime/Manga/Light Novels, including western adaptations and documentaries.

>>15325118

Sounds better than nothing. I could probably get most of my subtitles elsewhere, if I need to. I'll try to keep an eye out for the next registration period. Do you know how often they do that?

Are there any other decent ones you know of?

>>15325209

None that I know of, and I got my invite via GGn so I don't know if/when they do open regs either.

>>15325209

>>15325287

For what it's worth animetorrents.me is open right now, but it's kind of shit. Like "you are probably better off with whatever the current version of nyaa is" shit. Never hurts to have a backup though.

>>15325973

Welcome <user name>,

For the sake of having the maximum amount of fun PlayStation Network™, please confirm your profile heading input.

It's asking you to complete your profile I guess.

>>15325973

It's asking for you to input/check your privacy settings

>PlayStation™Networkを最大限にお楽しみいただくために、　プロフィールの以下の項目を入力または確認してくだだい。

I guess it would be more like, "In order to get the most fun out of the PlayStation Network, please confirm the rest of your profile information"

Or, even more accurately, it's probably something closer to, "In order to have the best possible experience on the PlayStation Network, please confirm the rest of your profile information."

>>15326015

"…please fill in or confirm the following sections of your profile. ・Privacy Settings" If you wanted to go further and to give the thread a bump.

>>15323736

Also kind of interested in this. I recall someone posting a collection of them a while back but at the time I wasn't too interested and didn't bother.

>none of the torrents I can find for the Pokemon XY anime fit the jap subs that are on kitsuneko

I just wanted to watch autism monsters.

>>15329944

Some video players have an option to quicken or delay subs that are slightly off-time. I think you could also edit the .ass fairly easily.

So it seems my Anki has become as forgetful as me. I keep getting old probably mature words showing up as new. Not "I missed them and now they are daily again", but actually new, I can tell because the "again" button is <1m instead of 10m like old missed words. Far as I can tell these aren't duplicates either, it's the same old card resetting itself.

>>15332258

That's weird, that doesn't happen to me. Have you tried updating your anki to the latest version? Maybe that would help. Otherwise, maybe you can just suspend these cards, but I would suggest just repeatedly selecting easy so they get pushed farther back into the deck so you don't see them as often.

>>15332264

That's more or less what I'm doing, provided they actually ARE easy sometimes I forget shit I haven't seen in two months. It's only really a problem when it comes to scheduling new cards if some random number of my new 20/day will actually be repeats. On the other hand I'm neck deep in reviews anyway so that's not necessarily a bad thing.

>>15273938

CDRomance a subset of Nico Blog

Is there any decent learning software for Nintendo DS/3DS?

>>15301158

It is the same guide, but actively maintained. It was made by an anon from /animu/

https://8ch.net/animu/res/8897.html

>>15301158

That was painful to read.

>>15320813

Having lived here for about a year now I can guarantee you that's some hot bullshit. That'd be like claiming French people are impossible to understand because they don't have standard US accents when they speak.

それも方言はぎょーさんあるんじゃけそんな事がねーんじゃ

多分おめーの発音がおえんかもな？

I know that mood (in a main clause) is supposed to reflect the speaker instead of the subject, and I've heard the ～たい form described as a desiderative mood. I also know that ～たい shouldn't be used to express the desires of someone else, but I don't know if it's because of socio-linguistic reasons or because as a mood, ～たい inherently refers to the speaker when in a main clause.

In other words, I know that this sentence isn't the natural way to say it regardless, but would 「先生が日本で話したい」be understood to mean "I want (the) teacher to speak with Japanese" (assuming the listener didn't assume I was trying to say 「先生は日本語で話したがっている。」)

>>15348815

Update: I found a source that says that it would be read that way in the standard of Middle Japanese that Classical Japanese is based on, but this usage was dropped in modern Japanese, so I'm going to assume that it would be understood that way but would sound archaic, and a speaker would probably assume it's a mistake, unless someone says otherwise.

>>15348815

>I also know that ～たい shouldn't be used to express the desires of someone else

It's fine if it's a quote. 先生は日本語で話したいと言った。I'm not sure the reason either, I just assumed it was because it is rude to assume someone's feelings, and there are other ways to express how someone is looking/acting and are less direct so more polite.

>>15349347

Yeah, I didn't mention it because I was focusing on verbs in the main clause, but when a verb is embedded within another clause, its mood is usually determined by the subject of the clause it is embedded in, hence why reported speech using ~たいと言う is understood to be the desire of the subject of 言う. But if it were purely about presumption this would also work this way, so this alone doesn't push it either way. I've come to the conclusion based on some other things like how ～たがる was formed that it's a combination of both.

Can you do some Anki magic to show certain info only if the card is new? I turned off the numbers which tell you how many cards are new, review, or again because they were distracting, and sometimes I'm not sure if I'm looking at a new card or just one I forgot.

I want to put something like text saying "this is a new card" on new cards, basically.

How do you guys treat vocab that you get wrong on reviews? Do you just say the reading/meaning to yourself a couple times, do you write it out on paper? My retention is starting to take a dive, and I've started writing our every vocab that I get wrong, but I honestly can't tell if it makes a difference.

>>15358537

My cards contain Japanese definitions and example sentence/s which I usually read. I often say the reading aloud and sometimes the definition as I read it as well. Writing can be good, I think. I do it for kanji but not so much vocabulary.

>>15355073

Can't think of a reason it would matter to know beforehand. Closest thing I know you can do is set it so new cards come after all your reviews.

>>15362030

At 20 new cards a day you should be up around there in reviews soon enough. 20 really isn't as low as you might think. Plenty of people, such as myself, do less. If you want higher accuracy you could try lowering it a bit. If you don't want to do that, experiment with new things to do when studying. Mnemonics, start using J>J dictionary, Google for examples in use, etc. Find something to make it work.

>>15362030

How are you doing vocab? If it's a premade deck with jap word to english word (or vice versa), of course it will suck.

>>15358537

Just keep grinding. I've had days where it seems like I couldn't remember any of my reviews, and days I flew right through them like nothing. The important part is to just keep trying. Experiment with new study methods if needed. You can always just move on too, you'll be seeing the words again so it isn't like you have to remember every word on your cards every time.

>>15362030

Misread that as 20/day so disregard half of what I said.

Wasn't there an anon who had a raw manga download thing going? My dumb ass forgot to download and archive it and I want it for reading practice. Jewgle comes up with nothing.

>>15371275

I add 30 new cards per day. I set it up so that I see all of my review cards before I see the new ones, and to show new cards in order (makes them slightly easier with how I'm doing it). I haven't changed easy interval or anything. I set the maximum reviews to 9999 so it wouldn't limit them.

>>15371275

I only do 5 a day anon, slow and steady. I got too much else on my plate at the moment

>>15279110

You should only suspend learning new cards, or it'll fuck the SRS system and then you'll be truly fucked. You're not supposed to let things get to the point where your reviews are out of control, at this point you should set new cards to 0, grit your teeth and power through it.

>>15375585

Kanji were borrowed to write Japanese words with their original pronunciation, but the characters selected weren't always consistent or straightforward, so one character could get associated with multiple Japanese words and one word might be written in multiple variant ways, hence why characters have multiple kun-readings. Some were also used for their pronunciation for things like grammar words (i.e. find a word that's pronounced the same and written based on its meaning and borrow that).

Then entire Chinese and Korean words were borrowed with both the original meanings and writing. The process was similar to when English borrows foreign words and their spelling makes no sense within English but everyone insists on using the original spelling and pronunciation. These added new pronunciations for Kanji because Japanese and Chinese aren't actually related, so all the words were pronounced differently. When the Japanese adopted the new words, they came from multiple dialects of Chinese, and the ways that they rendered the original Chinese into Japanese varied by region and person but all eventually mixed together, hence why characters can have multiple On-readings.

Let me know if that helped.

>>15375585

Kanji in Japanese can have multiple meanings and readings. Certain readings can even correspond with certain meanings. Some words don't use standard readings, using the character solely for it's meaning. But as for a general rule for when to use readings, onyomi for jukugo, kunyomi for words containing okurigana. Exceptions apply though, so you just have to check regardless. Sometimes it's better to adopt a that's just the way things are attitude. Particularly as a beginner. Luckily, most kanji don't have a bunch of readings, so that's not as bad as it might seem at first.

>>15370002

You can find it in the new guide somewhere in the thread. It's just a convenience really. You should be able to find most of everything in there and more Google searching for titles you're interested in.

>>15375585

If you'd rather not think about history at all, think about it like this:

Kanji don't represent words, they represent ideas. The same way that letters and kana are combined to spell what a word sounds like, kanji are combined to "spell" the meaning of a word; sometimes a word is one letter, sometimes a word is one kanji, but neither one is the word itself.

For historical reasons, these meanings happen to map to a certain set of sounds: those sounds that correspond to word roots with the same or similar meaning to the Kanji, and often there is simply just multiple roots with a related meaning to the Kanji, so it maps to several sounds.

>>15375732

Kanji were not borrowed with their original pronunciation. The pronunciations were severely mangled from the originals in most cases. Just like バースデー　doesn't sound exactly like English "birthday".

>>15375882

>Kanji were borrowed to write Japanese words with their original pronunciation

the original pronunciation of the Japanese words, as in "write Japanese words in their own original pronunciation".

>>15375902

I somehow misinterpreted that as "their" referring to kanji, rather than Japanese words, sorry.

>>15362764

This is how I do vocab (with the core6k deck) and it's working fine. If I read something I also add the words I don't know from it into another deck, but are premade vocab decks bad?

Daily reminder that playing vidya is a great way to keep yourself learning Japanese to keep playing more vidya

>>15390007

I had planned on playing games exclusively in Jap by January, but it looks like I already am doing that now anyway. It is a nice way to help learn and practice while having fun. It's unfortunately a lot of work to get to the point you can really play anything, but worth the effort.

>>15390662

It takes a while, for sure, but once you get the basics down you'd be surprised how much you can understand. Context helps like nothing else. This came up today when one of my students doing the whole eikaiwa deal came in late and saw me playing vidya in Japanese while waiting, specifically noticing a pair of kanji that she, a 50 year old Japanese woman, didn't know. I don't know them either, but I'm able to guess what they mean based on who the characters are and what they're talking about, and was able to spin that into an impromptu lesson on why context is so important in understanding, regardless of the language, and why I recommend students watch/read/listen to things they personally are interested in.

>>15317289

Why are you such a faggot, anon?

Is learning like a game?

>>15392050

If you do it right.

>>15392000

no u

>>15392078

No, you, your first reaction to seeing someone consistently work for over a year is to bitch about how it's not fast enough. Kill yourself.

>>15392087

People like him are reason the "4 years" meme is a thing. Not knowing at least the 常用漢字 after a year is just sad. You could get those done in just under a year if you went at a snail's pace and only learned six fucking Kanji per day.

What he's doing is very inefficient. Learning how to write the Jouyou Kanji and knowing a basic meaning for each should take about 3 months, 4 if you're shit at time management. You'll pick up the readings and deeper understanding of the meanings from actually fucking reading Japanese.

I don't know about you, but I'd prefer to understand nip sooner rather than later.

>>15392174

I agree with you. 2 years for the language as a whole is actually very realistic and it shouldn't be that demanding if you are doing your daily quotas properly. Maybe the spoken Japanese won't be perfect, which is understandable as you might have no one to talk with, or the writing of kanji will be lacking, but it should be more than good enough to speak and even better for reading. Problem is I have been lazy all my life. I kind of regret I won't be able to get the N1 the exam this December. I should at least study for N2 more seriously, so I don't end up failing on that.

>>15392133

>learning a language that is culturally irrelevant and soon to be phased out in favor of arabic

>>15392262

Quite a few of the 常用漢字 don't really fit the title very well, so I don't think that's so bad. I learn kanji as I come across them, if I decide they're worth learning at the time, and I could and had consumed plenty of content when I was around 1500. I see plenty of 人名用 and 表外 kanji much more frequently than the few hundred less common of the jouyou so I don't think it's that important a goal.

>>15392133

>learning a language that has no genetic or cultural relation to you

Maybe not to you.

>>15392174

They say don't feed the troll, but anyways.

I don't know exactly how long, but it certainly took me more than 3 years, something like 4 or 5 years to learn English to a level where I could understand basic shit. And I was 10-15 years younger back then. And it doesn't have that abomination of writing system. There's nothing wrong if someone who is not a language genius can't learn Nip in a year or two (fuck, even learning my mother tongue took more time). And back to your 常用漢字 argument, yeah maybe you could memorize 6 kanji each day, but doing that makes little sense. You'll need vocab, and if you want to learn 6 new kanji per day, you'd need to learn at least 2 to 3 times more words each day, that is something like 12-18. I once tried 15 new words per day, burnout guaranteed in about a week. You can easily learn even 100 kanji each day, if you don't care about forgetting all of them in an hour. If you care and do SRS, they'll pile up, so increasing new cards will usually mean exponentially more review time (+5 cards is not +5 cards every day, it's +5 cards from that day and +5 from yesterday and something like +4 or +5 from two days before and +3 from three days before and it goes on).

Go stir up shit somewhere else.

>>15392797

>anyone who says something I disagree with is a mean trolle

I'm just calling a retard a retard.

Anyone who really wanted it could learn nip to fluency in under two years if you wanted to. You don't have to be exceptionally smart. That guy looks like he wants it from all the work he's put in, but it's like trying to win a 100 meter dash by walking all the way around the track in the opposite direction. You'll get there eventually, but it's retarded and you shouldn't expect me to cheer for you.

>English took me 4-5 years

How fast you learn depends on your methods. If you take English classes and try to memorize every grammar rule and long lists of vocab that someone handed you, you're not going to have a good time and it will take many years. Again, you'll get there eventually if you don't give up, but it won't be fun or efficient.

>You'll need vocab

And you plan on wasting time making multiple jap > english cards for every Kanji? You could spend that time learning more Kanji, and then jump right the fuck in to learning from real written Japanese once you're done (which will take a fraction of the time since you're not trying to memorize vocab lists while doing basic Kanji).

>You can easily learn even 100 kanji each day, if you don't care about forgetting all of them in an hour.

20-30 new cards per day seems to be the sweet spot. I have 94% retention on my Kanji cards, which is just above the default goal setting on Anki. Kanji are not hard.

>exponentially more review time

Are you sure that you know what an SRS is? It was designed specifically to avoid this.

>>15393144

>you can be fluent in Jap in 2 years

>kanji are not hard

>everyone who doesn't learn at my personal pace is a retard

When you say things like this it really looks like you're just talking shit.

>>15393265

It's true though. Japanese is only hard because you're making it hard.

Even 30 Kanji per day only takes about an hour daily (~2 if you make each card yourself), and if you have time to post here then you have the time to do that. I seriously doubt that everyone in this thread is married to his job and only has 10 minutes of free time per day.

2 years was a generous guess for all the "muh time" fags. You can do it in less.

Man it’s sad to come back here after a year and it’s the same faggots who still can’t speak Japanese just like they couldn’t a year ago. Actually those guys aren’t that bad. It’s the ones that pretend they know what their talking about but actually sound like an absolute retards. Then again if you spent all the time learning in a vacuum or from a comic book, it’s not surprising that you have such a hard time with understanding meaning, let alone writing a sentence that doesn’t sound like you’re the female lead in a manga.

>>15393326

I think most people who actually know japanese wouldn't post here for a few reasons

>busy actually doing shit in japanese

>this thread never helped them

>nobody would take their advice anyway

>>15393385

Kek this. I just stopped in after i saw this sitting high up in the catalog and figured id visit. Most times its just dead. I will admit that this thread helped a great deal at first getting me into the groove of studying chink. However, once you get a set pattern down its pretty useless. Pretty much on par if not worse than the 4chan threads. Like you said, anyone who is actually learning and applying dont post here.

>>15394075

>I will admit that this thread helped a great deal at first getting me into the groove of studying chink. However, once you get a set pattern down its pretty useless.

I would argue that this first hurdle is the single biggest obstacle, and helping to overcome it is the single best purpose that any related resource could serve.

What's with people saying you should be able to finish jouyou in a year? I swear they all must be Heisig fags that learned to recognize the character or an arbitrary English meaning of it then think they "learned" it, even if they can't read jack shit if they come across it. 2 years is much more realistic for being able read %95 of what you see.

You haven't learned shit if you can't read. Also about %6 of kanji I know is hyougai and I have about 400 on jouyou left to learn, jouyou is not everything if you go by what's useful.

>>15393326

Are you that bar faggot who got farted on by Mark? You sound like him.

And there's nothing wrong with learning through reading manga, the only people that sound like girls are those that actually go to Japan and learn through talking to 3dpd.

Thanks for these threads, lads. They're a great motivator.

>>15394986

If you're only focusing on kanji then that's reasonable I think. Grammar and vocab and kanji and reading and/or other practice methods all together? Less reasonable unless you can actually study all day every day and have amazing memory. You're right about 常用 too. I've come across many in that list that show up in maybe 2 common words, or not any at all. It also depends on how you describe "knowing" a kanji. Does that mean you can write it from memory and know all possible uses of it? Or just recognize it with a keyword? It's not a straightforward thing.

>>15395095

I think focusing on kanji without reading is bad, actually seeing them in context makes it easier to stick. While reading you're studying all you need other than listening and talking anyways.

I think knowing kanji should mean knowing or recognizing its most common uses. Jouyou doesn't recognise all readings even if they are common (弄ぶ is recognized but not 弄る even though it is more common). Though it's not really needed to drill every meaning, I've seen furigana for even some common words that are obvious in context when it's unneeded. Uncommon readings get it %80 of the time.

>you should be able to reach fluency in X amount of time

>you need to focus on X, Y, or Z in order to do it, and if you're not doing those things, you are a retard

Threadly reminder that learning is a lifelong process. Rome wasn't built in a day. Threadly reminder that, even though you may not be the most efficient learner, you can still attain fluency, so long as you continue to make progress. Take your studies one day at a time, and eventually you'll get there. If you want to be as efficient as possible, well then maybe move to Japan and immerse yourself in the language, get a formal tutor, and dedicate at least 4 hours of your day to intensive study. Not everyone can do these things, however.

Don't listen to the fags who want you to fail. You can do it, anon.

>>15395271

Fucking this. Everyone's got different brains, and different life circumstances. Plus, if your goal is just vidya, you won't even need fluency, and after a point you'll just be getting better naturally by using the language while playing vidya.

>>15395167

I agree, I don't think it's a great idea to only focus on one thing. However if someone did want to study only kanji, a year wouldn't be too bad to get 常用 and some more common 表外 down as far as the ideas they represent. You couldn't understand shit still so I don't think it would be very enjoyable, but it's possible.

>>15395287

A lot of this video is okay because he isn't actually saying much but towards the middle he says that Adults learn grammar like children and shouldn't study explicit grammar rules and that is demonstrably scientifically wrong. I don't know if he misspoke because he goes on to say that he uses the "bilingual translation method" which isn't a thing, but might be referring to the bilingual method, which explicitly calls for explicit grammar instruction, or it could be his own method where he literally just goes back and forth between two translating of the same book like an asshat.

>>15395271

Saying you need 4 hours a day is laughable, though. It is a meme created by complete liars. If we take an actual textbook such as Minna no Nihongo that's 50 lessons for the beginning level and 24 lessons for the advance level, but one lesson is longer. For the basic one lessons should take tops of 8 hours if you are doing it alone, including the lesson itself and a bunch of things from the workbooks. It's a little over an hour a day for the week. If you were taking lessons it would be two 4 hour lessons on the weekend. For the advanced let's just say 2 weeks a lesson. And let's be charitable and say it takes around an hour to learn 10 kanji, both reading and writing. With 10 a day you are going to go way over the 2200, so you don't need to do as much every day and you have to revisit the old ones anyway. Let's say we divide 2200 by 10 and you get like 220 days for all kanji. But we are going for the two years anyway. So let's say you spend 110 days in the year, one hour a day learning new kani. Then you spend 240 hours only for revisiting More than fucking enough and you can easily take it even, well, easier if you want to.

To say you can't realistically do this in two years is just dumb. People wonder how I can watch so much anime from every new season. What I tell them is "If you can't find two hours a day to do something you like, might as well kill yourself." On average in reality it takes me even less to watch all the weekly anime I watch. There is plenty more time I waste online or play video game or whatever.

People are just atrocious with their time and their lives. And I am saying this as someone that considers myself as a big time waster anyway. I can't even imagine how much worse others must really be in that case.

No one is really saying that you must do it within the time frames I said, but we are saying it is a very realistic thing to achieve, if you actually had the motivation to follow a simple daily schedule. But the reality is most people can't do that and I include myself in that. But I won't be saying how impossible it is.

>>15393144

>>15396933

>If you can't find two hours a day to do something you like, might as well kill yourself.

Maybe, if your only goal in life is to learn Nip, sure. If you want to do other things as well, and each requires 2 hours, you'll shortly realize a day only has 24 hours.

I still don't know why are you so obsessed with learning all the kanji and nothing else. Vocab will take much more time. And going through Minna no Nihongo is dogshit, it's barely enough for anything other that it's own dumbed-down texts.

>>15396933

>Saying you need 4 hours a day is laughable, though. It is a meme created by complete liars.

That's not the point. My original point was simply that not everyone can be as efficient as possible.

>Minna no Nihongo

>50 lessons for the beginning level and 24 lessons for the advance level

>basic lessons should take [a total of] 8 hours

7 days a week x 50 lessons = 350 hours of study, because:

>It's a little over an hour a day for the week

350 hours / 7 days in a week = 50 weeks

If you did one hour a day for a total of 168 hours, it would take you 24 weeks to finish all of the basic lessons. That's still nearly a fucking year, given that there are 52 weeks in a year, and we're assuming that you'll have learned them perfectly the first time and you won't have to go back and review.

>For the advanced lessons, let's just say 2 weeks a lesson, and let's be charitable and say it takes around an hour to learn 10 kanji, both reading and writing.

2 weeks x 24 lessons = 48 weeks, which is almost another fucking year, and we haven't even begun to factor in vocabulary and Kanji study. Additionally, you didn't take the liberty of explaining how much time one would dedicate to a single advanced lesson per those two weeks. What, another hour a day for a period of two weeks? This is important because we need to know just how your schedule breaks down, given the assumption that you have other obligations to things that require your attention, such as other aspects of study (vocab, isolated Kanji study) or the general responsibilities of life.

>If you were taking lessons it would be two 4 hour lessons on the weekend

This isn't necessarily true. You might be able to find someone who is willing to spend more time with you, especially if you're "taking lessons" from someone who you live with, say a girlfriend or boyfriend, or roommate.

>Let's be charitable and say it takes around an hour to learn 10 kanji; With 10 a day you are going to go way over the 2200

That's one hour of isolated Kanji study in addition to the hour you've already dedicated to the basic grammar lessons from above. So far you're dedicating two hours of study a day, every day of the week, to your goal of learning Japanese.

>Let's say we divide 2200 by 10 and you get like 220 days for all kanji. We are going for the two years, so let's say you spend 110 days in the year, one hour a day learning new kanji.

Why would you do that? That's retarded, assuming that you're going to study grammar for an hour a day anyway. Why would you just suddenly stop studying Kanji after 110 days? Wouldn't it make more sense to reduce the number of Kanji you learn per day, then continue to study on a daily basis so that your workload isn't so outrageous? For example, you could study 5 Kanji a day. This is half your suggested amount, so we'll say it'll only take 30 minutes to learn. Do this every day and you'd reach your target of 2,200 Kanji in 440 days, which is just around 1.2 years. Even so, you'd still be studying for 1.5 hours a day, every day for the entire year, and we still have not factored in things like vocabulary, listening comprehension, pronunciation, writing, and the other important and tangentially related skills. The point being, even at your suggested rate, you're still neither learning efficiently nor making significant progress beyond what would amount to drilling grammar exercises and Kanji readings. If we're approaching this from the assumption that you already have a sizable vocabulary with which you can begin to actually use the language, then we must also account for the amount of time that it took you to build that vocabulary, which would put you beyond your initially suggested two year mark, unless you're willing to somehow account for that time so that it fits into your two year study plan.

>Then you spend 240 hours only for revisiting, [which is] more than fucking enough [time], and you can easily take it even, well, easier if you want to

>To say you can't realistically do this in two years is just dumb

Everything you've suggested above would be considered intensive study. My original point was merely that not everyone can maintain that kind of workload. Additionally, as I have pointed out, this study plan does not address anything beyond grammar and Kanji acquisition, so more time would need to be account for the items that it does not address, such as vocabulary. Therefore, it would be reasonable to assume that 4 hours of study a day - along with formal tutoring and language immersion - would constitute an incredibly intensive and efficient use of study time.

I am not suggesting that something like that is or is not feasible, just that not everyone who wants to study a language will have that kind of time to dedicate to their endeavors.

>>15397596

>If you did one hour a day for a total of 168 hours, it would take you 24 weeks to finish all of the basic lessons

Math error, it would be one hour a day for a total of 350 hours, which would be 50 weeks; i.e. nearly a fucking year

>>15397394

I am using it as an example, because it is a long series of textbook. The 1st and 2nd book are a great introduction into the language with plenty of conversational Japanese and a lot of practice in the lessons and the workbooks. It is full on Japanese too, not like the Genki shit. They easily get it you on a level N4+ level with not too much extra shit needed for N3. And I am only using the levels for measurement as most people here won't care for the exams, especially if they are planning to read N1 level in over 5 years of studying. The 3th and the 4th books are not the greatest for the exams, but they are still full of a lot of descent grammar.

>>15397596

I don't understand what you are trying to do with a lot of your post. You are just repeating what I already said as if it is a counter argument. I started with the idea "2 books for a year" and from there went on to do the math. And calling Minna no Nihongo just grammar is not right. If you weren't learning vocabulary you wouldn't be able to read the damn text. There is plenty of exercise books that come with it and include at least the more useful ones in the time spent. More than half of every lesson in the main textbook itself is exercises anyway. It has grammar, reading, listening, speaking and writing.

Yes, that's what I said. A lesson a week for whole year. That's a relatively slow tempo already. The kanji plus some more vocabulary I do as I commute anyway. Let's say you are an American and you need to travel with car, you can listen some Japanese radio from your phone, though it won't be as helpful in the beginning. Maybe play the listening parts of MnN or/and whatever other learning source.

>Why would you just suddenly stop studying Kanji after 110 days?

You are just going full retard here. I am talking about total spent time in the year learning new kanji, with the rest of the time being spent on reviewing and vocabulary or whatever. Of all of this within the one hour a day. So you can even decrease the daily kanji by a lot. You can do 3.5 kanji a day, which is already getting into piss easy territory and the rest of the hour spending learning extra vocabulary and I say extra, because I always learn several words as I study the kanji anyway. Oh well, seems like you reached part of this conclusion yourself, you just didn't realize I had already implied it.

>Even so, you'd still be studying for 1.5 hours a day, every day for the entire year

This is it. This is the problem for you and everyone else. And as I already said, for me too. But I at least admit it is not because my time is so precious that I can't find the opportunity to do this, but because I am a lazy piece of shit so it will take me around 3 years to learn, 3.5 at worst. But only because I am studying like a complete fucktard and constantly skipping days and weeks, having to relearn shit for the Nth time.

For fucks sake, okay, forget N1ish level. N2. Half the kanji and a lot less grammar. If you achieve that you can already read plenty of shit. But spending two years just for that is a waste. I would know as I have wasted already plenty time. It just that we are fucking terrible at following a simple ass schedule, especially if no one is paying us to do it.

To be fair I am not including all the anime I watch and some of the manga I have started reading, but I would have been doing the first one anyway. If you don't plan to surround yourself with the language from no one, wants the point anyway? I am learning it to use it daily, not to play one game a year with it. Japanese is a piece of cake compared to the other language I am learning right now at the same time.

I’m taking Japanese 3 at University this semester, ask me anything

>>15398170

What level of skill do you have as a result of taking the preceding courses?

What methods did they use?

If you're in a position to do so, critique their methods and the ones commonly used in this thread. What works? What doesn't? What's less efficient than it could be?

Share general tips/tricks that might not be obvious.

Do you find time spent studying directly, or learning through media consumption is more useful?

are traps gay which 2hu/pokemon/digimon would you fug is that what chaos control is what am i fighting for what is a man do you think love can bloom even on a battlefield how many breads have you eaten in your life are they still on namek?

>>15398170

At a western university? Did you take the previous courses, and how were they?

>>15397723

>I don't understand what you are trying to do with a lot of your post. You are just repeating what I already said as if it is a counter argument.

I wasn't trying to make a counterargument to anything. I was pointing out, again, that what you consider to be "piss easy" can actually constitute a rather time consuming effort on the part of someone who isn't able to learn for more than a certain amount of time each day. Not only that, I was using your own math to point out that it's not that difficult to get from what you consider to be "piss easy" to what I initially suggested as "optimal learning" (four hours of intensive study per day).

>And calling Minna no Nihongo just grammar is not right

Irrelevant. It's fucking grammar that you must learn how to use in conjunction with vocabulary. You will not have any substance to your exercises if you are not also learning vocabulary alongside your grammar and Kanji study.

>I am talking about total spent time in the year learning new kanji

You said ONE hour a day for TEN new Kanji.

>with the rest of the time being spent on reviewing and vocabulary or whatever

So that's more than an hour a day, you fucking dipshit, which means your following statement

<Of all of this within the one hour a day.

is blatantly retarded. Did you forget what you initially suggested? Maybe lay off the fucking crack because it's fucking with your short term memory.

>Oh well, seems like you reached part of this conclusion yourself, you just didn't realize I had already implied it.

You implied nothing, you stated that 2 hours a day is what you think constitutes "piss easy" studying, and I merely wanted to point out that, for some people, it's quite intensive. How do you not understand this?

>This is it. This is the problem for you and everyone else. And as I already said, for me too. But I at least admit it is not because my time is so precious that I can't find the opportunity to do this, but because I am a lazy piece of shit so it will take me around 3 years to learn, 3.5 at worst

So, the implication here is that

<anyone who doesn't do what I think is "piss easy" studying is actually a lazy piece of shit

rather than, you know, someone whose time is actually consumed by other things.

>For fucks sake, okay, forget N1ish level. N2. Half the kanji and a lot less grammar. If you achieve that you can already read plenty of shit. But spending two years just for that is a waste.

I disagree, and all I can say is that you sound like you're unreasonably harsh on yourself or others. I don't know how you have allocated your time, but if you managed to acquire N2 proficiency, then that's what I call an achievement, even if it did take longer than you might think it should have.

>Japanese is a piece of cake compared to the other language I am learning right now at the same time.

If you're learning another language concurrently alongside Japanese, you must have a lot of free time with which you can study. Maybe for you 2 hours isn't much, but there are people who have a full schedule who can't find the time to dedicate to learning regularly. Ultimately that is all I ever said. Hell, even if you have an absolutely free schedule you can't necessarily use every bit of free time to learn a language, because at some point your focus would waver and you'd simply be wasting time by being ineffective. It's better to do 30 minutes or 1 hour of intent studying than it is to try and cram 4 or more hours of your day.

All of this is besides the point, though, because you really shouldn't give a fuck about how long it takes you to learn. Learning is something you continuously do, even after you've reached a high level of comprehension in the target language. With that in mind, so long as you're taking forward steps toward fluency, then you're only making a net positive in terms of time invested. You understand what I was trying to say?

>>15398170

Is your teacher a native speaker? Is she a cute ara-ara who you would bang? More importantly, what sort of materials did you have to purchase for the course, and how effective were they in teaching you the language? Moreover, was there anything in your purchased materials that you think couldn't also be found on the internet for free?

>>15397723

>I am using it as an example

You're missing the point. You need _way_ more than reading a single textbook to learn a language. If we add the time required to learn all the vocab and consume a lot of native material, we're way over the 2 years you suggest as a "piss easy" (and I don't feel like going into the details of your math, >>15398620 did it).

>>15398620

>mfw we used a pirated minna no nihongo at university

>>15398620

>Irrelevant. It's fucking grammar that you must learn how to use in conjunction with vocabulary.

>You said ONE hour a day for TEN new Kanji.

The lack of understanding simple shit is really unfortunate.

>So that's more than an hour a day, you fucking dipshit, which means your following statement

Really, really unfortunate.

>>15399147

>If we add the time required to learn all the vocab and consume a lot of native material, we're way over the 2 years you suggest

Not, not at all over the 2 years. But then again I guess you just hate yourself and are learning a language for which you consider a chore, instead of fun, to watch some anime/drama, read some comics/VN or whatever. Let's be honest, you don't even have to if you are just taking the exams, but it will indeed increase your proficiency to a level beyond the exam. The fact you bitch about doing the thing, because of which we are supposedly learning the language for is just laughable. Though to be honest I haven't read any manga, I have been lazy about it. But I played months ago some 3ds games. Imagine how terrible it was for me to enjoy myself.

I can't understand what the problem is. Are you just Murricans? Is that all it is? I mean I have seen upset Murricans when people are talking about all sorts of languages, so I wouldn't be surprised. I guess you will remain forever triggered from the idea that with some basic discipline, nothing army level, you can learn a language fast enough so you can actually use it within your time life. I am sorry to shock you, but plenty of people achieve that. I know some, have heard of others. I even admitted I failed to be one of them. If your lives are really so hard and you are working 14 hours a day or some stupid shit, just fucking kill yourself already. You can't be doing it for your hobbies, they don't require that much work. What is it for then? To acquire some bitch to continue slaving for like this? This "I don't have time" shit is so fucking pathetic. You didn't even have to follow my "impossible" plan. Just had to admit it was possible for people that are less lazy than us, but seems to be just too much for your feelings and prefer just to bitch how you can't find the time or how it is not nearly enough. For fucks sake, language learning is something that is actually hard for me, yet somehow I manage with even more lousy schedule.

I said all I had to say, if you are going to remain sour about it, your choice.

Interesting video on language acquisition that might influence your approach.

>>15405201

This fucking video has kept getting shilled to me on jewtube for days, and now it's here too. What a (((coincidence))).

First day of japanese classes today.

Any of you guys recommend any audio I can listen to, for immersion?

Already using anki.

>>15405201

>1 minute in

>how many parents have to give their child a deck of flash cards to review

it's shit, you can stop watching there. anybody who still equates the learning of the pre- and postpubescent at this point is scientifically illiterate.

>>15408484

>learn

Good job faggot, you didn't watch it.

People, both kids and adults, easily acquire (distinct from "learn") language through comprehensive input. Put りんご under a picture of an apple and anyone picks up on that. As opposed to reading "apple = ringo" which only someone that can read english will understand.

Meaning, good understandable media will help you pick stuff up faster.

>>15405201

>Language acquisition is what you want, not learning

>When you understand a joke, you already "get" it and you don't need someone to explain it to you, so too is it with language

>Comprehensible input is how people acquire language

>Showing a picture of an apple with the word リンゴ can facilitate an instant transmission of information, which is more effective than having someone tell you how to say the word in Japanese.

Fine, good information, I agree.

<"How many new words, phrases, and grammar structures can you feed your brain when you're looking up every word as you read a book? You take about half an hour to get through one page. For the same amount of time, a television show can blast you with far more words, phrases and grammar"

Here's where he lost me. This is pretty counter intuitive, if we're talking about intelligible input. If you don't understand 1% of what you're consuming, then doesn't your brain just filter that information out and regard it as meaningless? Isn't the point of spaced repetition to move new vocabulary words into your long term memory so that when you see those words being used in context, you can partially derive some meaning from the sentence, even if you don't understand 100% of what's being said? How can you do that without intensive study, or at the very least, some basis by which you can begin to "decode" various portions of the language?

Surely, this video is not suggesting that Anki is a waste of time. Sounds like this guy "acquired" Japanese as a result of immersion, which is fine but not practical for anyone who isn't surrounded by the language 24/7.

>>15408765

>If you don't understand 1% of what you're consuming

Kind of, kind of not.

I imagine if I was obsessed with hitler like the average /pol/ guy, it would be pretty easy to pick up some extra words by listening to him speak if you're already studying german

However I wouldn't say even the most autistic weeaboos would be able to pick up many words from anime. MAYBE if they didnt read the subtitles alongside.

TLDR practice and immersion

>>15408672

>Implying that isn't the point at which I knew nothing of value would follow

>Implying that means I didn't keep watching just to make sure

>implying he said anything that changed my mind

>implying that pretending like the words "learn" and "acquire" have distinct meaning in language education research means that they they actually do, and that this invalidates all the research on the differences on how children and adults acquire (which means the same thing as learn) a language.

I could have gone through the rest of the video and knit picked every point he makes, but I've already done that with other videos and I'm bored of it. My point this time is that anyone who still references children as a model when referring to teaching adults languages is a charlatan or simply scientifically illiterate. It's the linguistic equivalent of homeopathy.

>>15409985

TLDR

>>15398535

>What level of skill do you have as a result of taking the preceding courses?

Breddy gud. I'm like intermediate.

>What methods did they use?

Mostly scripted repetition. Separate textbooks for speaking/grammar/vocab and another for reading/writing.

>What works? What doesn't? What's less efficient than it could be?

For native English speakers, this is an extremely complicated language to learn. There is no shortcuts or cheap tricks, just long hours of dedicated study.

>Share general tips/tricks that might not be obvious.

I personally acknowledge Japanese as a language heavily focused on politeness and context. Having a study partner or peers to bounce ideas off of has helped me a lot.

>Do you find time spent studying directly, or learning through media consumption is more useful?

Studying directly, obviously. Media consumption doesn't do shit. As I've said, there is no shortcuts.

>>15398550

>At a western university?

Yes, I'm Amerifat.

>Did you take the previous courses, and how were they?

I've had the same professor for Japanese 1,2, and now 3 so that's been nice. I'm pretty adjusted to their way of teaching. It's been a lot of hard work, and continues to be.

>>15398620

>Is your teacher a native speaker?

Yes.

>Is she a cute ara-ara

I'm not sure how you knew this but yes. She is a cute.

>what sort of materials did you have to purchase for the course, and how effective were they in teaching you the language?

One textbook for speaking romanized scripts which includes grammar structure readings (in English) and vocabulary definitions (also in English, the whole book is romanized). Another textbook for practicing writing/reading characters There are no pictures in either of these books.

>was there anything in your purchased materials that you think couldn't also be found on the internet for free?

The thing about my textbooks is that they are for a college class, thus there is a syllabus, therefore a fairly strict practice regime. Otherwise, you will fail. The two textbooks go hand in hand though, as I learn to speak certain phrases I also learn to read and write them.

>>15409511

they're calling pc engine fans perverts

>>15410659

>Media consumption doesn't do shit.

Maybe if you try to dive in without knowing even basic grammar with the idea that simple immersion > using your capable adult brain. However once you reach a point of being able to comprehend media to some extent, it's basically the self-study method from there on out. You might review stuff on the side, but most new information probably comes in through media.

Do they have you reading anything for class? Or is it all textbook material?

>>15411205

I hate to burst your bubble, but I most people who call themselves fluent in japanese are lying. They may be "fluent" but they dont sound fluent. There do exist people who, with a religious-like motivation, can sound more like a native speaker, than a native speaker. It will take you 15 years of immersion but it is possible. And it wont happen by watching anime. Only study and immersion. 1.5 decades of it.

>>15411218

I never said anything about fluency, and I didn't advocate against immersion. A huge chunk of immersion is media consumption so really I'm quite for it. I'm against simple immersion in the absence of studying the workings of the language. There's a lot to be learned from media was my point and I find it contradictory that you would say there's nothing to learn through media consumption, but recommend immersion. I didn't mention specific media, but even anime or video games and the like can teach you plenty.

>>15411386

>anime or video games and the like can teach you plenty

Nice meme.

>>15411527

They can if you're actually looking to learn something from them instead of just treating it as mindless entertainment.

I keep mixing up sounds like chikubi and chibuki. Even if I can recognize something, the moment I try to recall it I turn into a fucking dyslexic. What do?

>>15411538

Ok but I would argue against that wholeheartedly. I highly recommend not doing that. I seriously can’t stress how bad of an idea that would be.

>>15411555

Of course, it's not meant to be a primary study method, just something you can do to complement your actual studies. It's something you do when you already have some level of understanding of the language in question.

>>15411570

Sure, whatever floats your boat. I just wouldn’t taint a scholarly understanding of Japanese with the perspective of popular culture media. Seriously, you will embarrass yourself in professional scenarios. Do you know how many different ways there are to humble yourself in conversational Japanese?

>>15411599

You're talking as if it's the norm for non-retarded people to actually go around speaking like characters in anime/games and think that's normal. It's why I said you can safely do it if you already know what you're doing.

>>15411546

I guess I'm dyslexic too since I read those both as chikubi the first time. What are you doing specifically though? Reading too fast? Actually confusing kana? Remembering word readings wrong?

>>15411386

No, immersion is mostly talking to native speakers.

My professor wants us to bring our laptops to class so he can watch us do anki (since most people are new to it)

Here's to hoping my online jpop streaming doesnt spontaneously open and unmute my speakers.

I've just expunged my computer of so much shit. I never like taking my stuff into public.

>>15413104

Take a different device.

Install it on your phone and use that.

>>15413104

Just put a windows install on a flash drive or something.

>>15413139

That's a good idea. Because I am a fat retarded American, I didn't think of it first!

That's gonna take too much space on my drive though. I went ahead and just deleted my edgy pics. Now if something spontaneously pops up it will just be an ebook or cute anime girls

>>15419671

>ebook or cute anime girls

Depending on who is in your class that might be even worse than gay tranny porn.

I can't believe how shit most resources are. I had to do a fair amount of googling just to find all the kana with proper stroke orders.

Namasensei needs to stop blocking the board with his ugly goblin face.

>>15421141

The first result for "Japanese kana stroke order" gave me the correct information. What the fuck were you searching? There are a lot of shit resources out there though, that's for sure.

>>15419696

I got a bunch of chinese people in my class who I’m pretty sure are spies for Chairman Xi, and the rest of my classmates are fellow low key weeaboos like me except one is a fat sports fan who I’m pretty sure doesn’t even watch anything Japanese besides hentai

Our professor looks down upon every one of us with rightful disgust

>>15423489

If the verb is referring to an animal living them it's probably 棲

>>15423508

棲む is probably right. My guess was 捿む, which seems less common.

To whoever makes next thread, you should maybe update the guide in the OP as per >>15301158