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>>15198500

nothing, only nostalgia

>>15198500

Nothing besides the fact that every nintendo controller after it has been complete and utter trash, making people want to fall back to it

>>15198500

The shape is surprisingly ergonomic for small hands, dpad is pretty decent, AB/XY button placement worked great for first party titles, analog triggers, and it's the only controller approved by smash autists.

Two stage triggers were neat.

It's a piece of shit otherwise, and it's only really stuck around because of melee autism and the original classic controller for the wii kinda sucked, so people kept them

nuh stal juh

Why are these pieces of shit so expensive, $30 from goodwill and all the fucking buttons are sticky. The Z button doesn't even work

I really like the big fat A and shoulder buttons. Everything else can fuck off and get replaced by the Saturn controller though.

>>15198500

i think it might have something to do with it being a down to earth controller without a blowjob attachment, extended magazine and laser scope

It's comfortable and has a retarded button layout.

>>15198520

Not fond of the d-pad myself. Main gripe I have with the controller. Too bad the SNES-style Horii controllers were import only, and the SNES-to-Wii controller adapters (Gamecube and Wii using the same controller sockets for backwards compatibility) have been discontinued for years, but I'm looking more at usefulness for emulation and older games on the Wii than its native use as a Gamecube/Wii controller, which felt pretty good.

OP it's got a good stick, some models have a defective stick that's more ideal for smash players. Triggers are nice, the click especially, button layout isn't terrible but I prefer the diamond or 6 button layout most. Having an octagonal gate is a good thing. D-pad sucks but not many games use it on the system for anything serious. Those that think it's great had the gamecube as their first, or one of their first systems. In the grand scheme of things it's like a 7/10.

>>15198524

>hyperkin

don't do this.

nothing except the left analog and buttons, they are a nice and niche thing that makes them better suited for some specific things than other controllers. Maybe, and to a lesser extent, the c-stick also has its uses being what it is, but is generally fucking awful for most things a right analog stick is usually used for

shoulder buttons and dpad is pure cancer and the controller as a whole needs more buttons obviously

It was actually designed to fit human hands.

>>15198524

FUCKING MADCATZ!!

>>15198607

based dual shock controllers! all other controllers are shit, especially nintendo ones

>>15198607

whats your point hot head?

>>15198640

>isn't any more or less comfortable than 90% of all controllers

But its the only controller nintendrones used and that was right after the N64 abomination so all it needed to do was not be shit.

>>15198640

well in any case, the dual shock is also super popular. it seems like the majoroity of usb gamepads try to outright copy it. it works for practically any console game.

as for the gamecube controller, my stating its down to earthedness is referencing to how the default controllers for subsequent nintendo systems are strange and overly specialized. or gimmicky.

the tablet for the wiiu was well made enough but unwieldy. the switch controllers werent designed by willy wonka for once but have a chinese toy build quality. the d-pad is especially abyssmal

it also helps that meleefags exist.

>>15198658

>had access to some neat third party controllers

Do you really think any more than 5% of console owners even ordered good third party controllers? We are talking about people who kept madcatz afloat.

>>15198658

The lack of symmetry annoys me, I know what's the reasoning behind it but it looks like shit.

It's cute.

>>15198609

Ironically, the MadCatz gamecube controllers were better than the official controllers, but only in this one instance.

>>15198761

I had a MadCatz controller that literally made my gamecube cease to function until you unplugged the controller and restarted the gamecube. Not to mention they stopped working all the time, but that was okay because they were cheap at costco.

>>15198519

This. The best controller ever made is probably the DS4. It does everything it needs to, goes past that just enough to invite creative uses, doesn't drown in its own pretentious features, connects via cable and wireless, and is in a physical format that anyone familiar with any conventional controller can pick up and use immediately. And the ergonomics kick the shit out of its predecessors and, in my opinion, the XBONE's.

>>15198985

>>15198983

d-pad sux

Symmetrical joysticks suck and dualshocks are for faggots with child hands.

>>15198995

Touchpad can be pretty useful, though I imagine it's been poorly implemented most places. I can use it as my mouse input on my PC with DS4Windows, for example.

Come to think of it, I might actually prefer a DS4's overall design and ergonomics with the Game Cube's inverted left stick position. D-Pad on the bottom. It's used less and should therefore be in the more unnatural thumbing position.

>>15198500 (checked)

Stinky day shekels haven't run dry yet.

>>15198500

The L and R triggers were amazing.

>>15198995

Too bad Dual Shock 3's weren't made with longevity in mind. Friend's burned through like three of them already.

>>15198993

>>15199005

D-Pads are comfy and should be the default selection buttons. The analog can be used for walking and other tasks, but a simple left right up down is the best for menus and such which you will be using much more than analog stuff.

>>15199011

haven't had many issues with longevity of DS3s. Worst I've seen is a worn analog stick needing a replacement cap or a dead battery, both of which are easy fixes. DS2s on the other hand I can't figure out why they fail for the life of me.

>>15198640

>The Gamecube controller lacks at least four buttons most respectable controllers have (L1, L3/R3, Select)

L3/R3 are fucking garbage inputs.

>>15198974

thanks captain kirk

>>15199016

I honestly don't really know how he does it, but after playing an action heavy game for a few months or so (guy likes his replay value), he'll start complaining about it not doing inputs right anymore, and admittedly I have seen his latest get stuck doing particular actions when nothing's being pressed. I assume he just wears them down real fast because he's not especially gentle on the sticks or buttons. Meanwhile I'm still using the first one I've had.

>>15199011

Ironically my original DS3s are both still working, but I probably didn't use them as much as your friend. The only thing is one of the thumbstick top pads has started peeling on my original black controller. The blue one is fine tho.

>>15199023

>Small hands.

>>15199026

How odd. I've had experiences with DS3's not inputting correctly but I've mostly narrowed it down to contacts needing to be cleaned, rarely actual failure.

>>15199023

>having tiny baby hands

>>15199029

>>15199034

Small hands are actually more suited to the Dualshock vs any other competent gamepad, you dumb fucks. If you have large hands or long fingers you end up needing to arch and bend your fingers just to stay on the sticks.

>>15199034

Well, I doubt he'll even be going that route of taking them apart and trying some home repair. He's too paranoid about shit, even letting me replace his PS3's hard drive with a larger one. His PS3's also stopped being able to read DVD media (it's a fat), but still reads CD and blu-ray media just fine. We're not sure what the issue there is, beyond it just being a fat PS3

>>15199020

>Image

Looks like something out a future Pikmin game.

>>15199041

>picture complains about having to do "finger yoga"

>well ackchuyally they're better for smaller hands

first of all, calm down. Second of all, stop being insecure about your hands. God made you the way you are, even if you are a genetic dead end who can't hold just about every controller comfortably.

>>15199042

That's the red laser failing, probably. There's 3, one infrared, one red, and one blue.

>>15199054

Duke's great. D-pad being shit aside, those weighty triggers, vertical 6-button layout, and quite fine sticks makes it a nice pad. Don't care for the start/back button placement.

>>15199063

The controller was too big for my 10 year old hands and I haven't tried it since.

>>15199063

suck your reptilian popes dick

>>15198997

Please explain how asymmetrical joysticks are better. I'm sure you're well versed in the subject.

I have large alien hands and Dualshocks are a hell of a lot more comfortable than Gamecube controllers, and I like them.

>>15199068

Likewise at the time, but I decided to get one down the line once I got an original xbox years later and it really is very comfortable. Weighty in a way no other controller is.

>>15199020

Neat idea for a garden, but a waste of Gamecube.

>>15199079

I'm sure it would be good now, but I really do like the ergonomics of the DS series.

>>15199063

>That's the red laser failing, probably. There's 3, one infrared, one red, and one blue.

Huh. How readily replaceable are those?

The gamecube controller works great for games that designed with it in mind (Mario Sunshine, Luigi's Mansion, Metroid Prime etc.) I did not like using it for most non-Nintendo developed titles

>>15199097

I don't know much about the specific one in the PS3 but as long as you match the specs (power consumption and laser intensity) you should be able stick any red laser diode there.

>>15199097

it would be easier getting a matching caddy instead of the individual modules. it requires a good amount of disassembly, taking apart the BD drive, mounting it on the rails. The laser module on the PS3's disk drive has them all stored in a single unit.

>>15199103

TIL nintendo didnt make every game on the game cube?!?!?!?

>>15198500

I always found it comfortable though the z button always seemed a little silly when every other console had two shoulder buttons.

>>15199023

Anyone who's not a baby handed manlet doesn't have this issue.

>>15199173

>having lankey kong hands

>playing video games instead of fisting ass for a living

>>15199023

Then how the hell do you control the camera with the right analog if it's so painful?

Most anons here these days are underage and it was their first controller so they're nostalgic for it.

>>15198656

Looks like some kind of sci-fi laser tank pew pew zapp

It has the best ergonomics of any controller ever designed.

>>15198607

gamecube controller is objectively more ergonomic.

all it needs is a better 2nd analog stick instead of the c stick

It's the only decent main-line controller made by nintendo

The two stage triggers were nice, but the real appeal for me is that button layout. I'm amazed that no one copied it and that even Nintendo themselves went back to the shitty diamond.

Let's think about game design for a moment here. In almost every game, you have a "central button", one command you use more than any other. In platformers it's usually jump. In adventure games it's usually a use/interact function. In beatemups it's the basic attack. So why not build your button layout around that central button? Your finger naturally rests on that button, and every other button is easily accessible from that button with minimal risk of fat fingering or misinputing. It's ideal in my opinion.

>>15198974

>3000x1688

Jesus Christ, I'm looking at a controller here. I don't need it HD like I'm trying to inspect Carmen Electra's butthole

>>15198500

Not much. All the other controllers just suck as far as Smash is concerned. Playing on a wiimote is dog shit.

It's fine enough for actual gamecube games, since that's what it was built for, but for anything else, it's damn near unusable. Tried playing some PS1 games with it and it's fucking horrid.

Also, I can't see why Smashfags love it so much, I don't think it's that good for Smash.

Playstation 2 controllers are for people with small hands, Xbox 360 controllers are for people with normal hands/big hands and like the offset stick, Gamecube controller is for emulating or for people who buy them for smash tournaments and it has a certain "glitch" that makes them play better.

>>15200179

personally i enjoy it for the textured thumb stick and the smaller convenient c-stick

the letter buttons are a bit odd but it works well as a psuedo radial layout

d-pad is weird but okay

>>15200193

I've never cared about stick quality on any controller. To me, sticks are sticks, and they always last. Never understood how people wear theirs out.

It's the fucking buttons that ruin it for me. With the diamond, I keep the tip of my thumb on Square/Y and usually downwards towards Cross/B, but can turn it to Circle/A quite easily. With the Gamecube controller, I never quite know how the fuck I'm supposed to keep my fingers. It's just awkward.

>>15200205

Joycons are small, I'll agree with you there, but playing with them separate, rested at the sides of my legs is probably one of the comfiest setups I've had.

>>15198519

Wii U Pro was a godsend.

Switch Pro is noticably worse.

>>15200211

Elaborate? Never tried either. Is it just down to the stick placement?

>>15200208

something to do with being able to move left to right really fast, its a joystick meme

Why the fuck don't modern controllers use octagonal gates on the analog sticks? It's such a simple improvement, there's literally no genre that doesn't benefit from this, yet the last 1st party controller to use one was the fucking nunchuck.

>>15200198

You put your thumb right on the gigantic green button in the center of the layout. Each other button is equidistant from the gigantic green button in the center of the layout. I don't believe you've imprinted so hard on snes-style button layouts, even children don't have an issue with it.

>>15198500

>What the fuck is so goddamn special about this fucking controller?

For a nintendo controller it had the best layout. My only complaints were the small d-pad if you tried to use it for fighting games and the lack of a left trigger which meant it fell behind the Dual Shock.

Outside of that the layout is really solid, it feels great in my hands. Not much to say, it's a great controller in it's own right and I still use it to this day.

>>15198607

While i agree that the Playstation Dual Stick Controller is good i find the grips a bit too short. I wish they were 1-2cm longer.

>>15199017

>>15199030

He's completely right though. Dualshock nailed the design.

t. played n64 and snes long before I even got a playstation

>>15199023

Dual Shock is fucking garbage. Sony keeps the left stick on the bottom because they care more about brand than usability, and their cattle defend it.

>>15200229

But here's the problem. You keep it on A, sure, but if you want to press any of the buttons, you have to actively move your thumb away from A. Even for B, you'd need to turn your hand in such a way that it would cover up the C-stick. X, you could make an argument for, but even that's going to be harder than on a diamond-shaped layout. With a normal controller, the only button you need to move your thumb over for is Triangle, and that one's mostly used for camera or HUD anyway. That's the big problem with the Gamecube controller, that you lose any easy way to press B.

>>15200301

we get it, you love halo and think microsoft makes the best game pads.

>>15200431

You realize that Nintendo also puts their sticks differently from Sony, right?

To be frank, I don't really get the autism about this. I don't mind sticks one way or the other, as long as they're symmetrical. That's my problem with the Xbox controllers.

>>15200439

well aware, but they went from asymmetrical, to symmetrical with analogs on the bottom, to symmetrical to analogs on top, to asymmetrical like microsoft. Only one company has kept it the same long enough to build up dedication to it,. Plus FPS kiddies are that rabid.

>>15200214

I'll answer. It's multiple things, but stick placement is one of them. Wii U Pro had one of the better stick placements, having symmetric sticks without jamming them into the middle. It was surprisingly comfortable. Switch Pro stick placement isn't a big deal, though. You get used to either and in the end it's a small difference.

The big fuckup with the Switch Pro controller is the d-pad. Holding the d-pad on the end of one of the directions and leaning your finger hits a diagonal, and the amount of lean needed to hit the diagonal is next to fucking nothing; if you hit the d-pad on one of the far corners instead of the center of the direction, a diagonal press is guaranteed. It makes it almost impossible to use the d-pad effectively without constantly hitting diagonals. A lot of times it's not very noticeable, but for some games, like Tetris, it seriously fucks you up to accidentally hit an up or down diagonal when just trying to move left or right. In a lot of cases, I've reverted to the stick just because it fucks me up so bad.

I don't know how they never saw that issue in quality control. It's so shit.

>>15200404

>you have to actively move your thumb away from A

Of course you have to move your thumb. How the fuck do you press buttons? You press B by moving your thumb down, on the same line as moving it down to reach the C-stick. Once you're done, reset position to A.

Besides, Triangle is used for grinding.

>>15200444

Can't argue with those digits.

>>15200524

That's quite disappointing. Generally, I don't use the D-pad too often, but I've always missed having good D-pads on controllers.

>>15200563

Like I explained, I keep the tip of my thumb on Square on a PS controller, and then can press X with the bottom of my thumb, or turn it a bit and press Circle. I lose the ability to easily press B like that on a Gamecube controller due to it being at such a shit angle from the A button.

>>15200580

Apparently, you can fix the Switch Pro controller D-pad by dismantling it and putting a piece of clear tape on the pivot, but I haven't done that to any of mine yet (I probably will soon). Other than that, the controller really is quite decent.

I really just want that octagonal gate back since it was perfect for fighting games, buttons not so much outside of Smash, TvC and shit that it was designed for. Fuck just give me version with L3, R3 and select already Nintendo.

>>15200580

That's so incredibly awkward and unnecessary, contorting your thumb so you can press everything with the side of your finger. Just move your fucking fingertip, that's what the muscles in your fingers are for.

>>15200597

It's a lifesaver in 3rd person games where everything turns with the slightest analog right and left, like Resident Evil 4 or THPS. Being able to go straight and ONLY straight is infinitely better than "a little to the right or left".

I'm seriously considering modifying a dualshock 3 for octagonal gates.

I was a kid and I fucking love both that and the N64 controller

>>15198993

It's my only gripe about the Ds4 for emulation, for quite a few games you are better off mapping a thumbstick to it.

>>15200622

I find it much more convenient, as a lot of games benefit you greatly for pressing more than one button at a time.

>>15200431

I have never had any xbox but I do have a PS3. Any gamepad that puts the left analog stick on the top is better for modern games because that is where you spend the vast majority of the time with your thumb, just like the buttons on the right side. DS LOOKS symmetrical, but using it you have to put yourself in an asymmetric position. I understand that soyboys put form over function though.

>>15200624

I was never a kid. I skipped that shit.

>>15198656

Honestly those mice are surprisingly nice. Say what you will about their controllers but the RAT line of mice is fuckin nice.

>>15199078

Same. I have huge hands with long fingers that allow me to play bass guitar easily. I also liked using the original Xbox "Duke," and I still think DualShock has it pretty much down pat. I got one just to use on my PC.

>>15200830

Joysticks are honestly fucking retarded anyway, as an input device in general, unless you are playing a vehicle game. I use a DS4 almost exclusively for its dpad, face buttons and triggers. Only games where I bothered to use a stick were Souls games and Dragons Crown, and DC only needs you to use left stick.

>>15198989

The DS2 is 100 times better.

>>15200863

>Joysticks

They are the best for movement in 3d space, dpad or keyboard only lets you go into 4/directions at only one speed, while a joystiq offers a continuum of both. If you have the thumbs the majority of the time on the top, the controller is suited for your use. However that is the exception and the ds4 is used by most people having their left thumb mostly on the bottom making it a poor fit.

>>15200889

*4/8

>>15200889

>what is a mouse

ergonomics

>the shape of your hands unless you have babbyhand syndrome from your mother drinking while pregnant

>gameboy d pad aka best d pad

>c stick has smooth hori arcade style balance and flick

>no two buttons are identical for further egonomic feel and intuitive controls

>satisfying clack and spring to trigger buttons

>very long cable for the time

>first controller with wireless variant that wasn't trash

>made of the last reserves of nintendium and requires OMEGA THREAT LEVEL 5 retard strength to break in shitfits

>came out a time when THE DUKE was large and comapnys couldnt decide an agreed upon use for shit like white and black buttons and the dualshock 2s mushroomey thumsticks would melt in head and dsitress into a stringy pulp

It was the best of its generation and theres a reason its still being made 3 console gens later for current games. Others do neat stuff but this is tough and reliable without compare.

>>15200909

>i move with the mouse

>>15200909

Only useful for movement in overhead games? How are you going to use a mouse to make your character move at a precise speed and angle? If you're controlling character movement with mouse, how are you controlling the camera?

>>15200929

I love the dualshock but DS4 has issues. The worst was -after admittedly a few thousand hours of use- i started to get minor input drift. So say im playing MGSV and im lying down stealthed? i could put the controlled down and Boss would start inching erratically forwards.

>>15198995

>DS4

I'm loving mine for the most part, but I recently noticed that rapid input doesn't work too well when I was emulating Killer7 and had to do the revival minigame. Looked in settings and noticed that it was dropping inputs like crazy, and part of it had to do with the way the face buttons recognize inputs I'm sure, which makes me think it fucks up occasionally without rapid input as well. Had to put it on keyboard briefly just to get Dan alive again.

>>15200923

Omnidirectional movement in 3rd and 1st person games on PC might have been a priority if you couldn't instantly move the camera where you wanted with the mouse.

Think about any action game. Hell, even Souls since I mentioned it. For using sticks you gain the sole advantage of being able to free run while locked on to an enemy. Except there isn't any reason that you can't use a lock on button on PC as well and do 8-way movement on WASD, which is more than sufficient. You can also freelook and rotate the camera to get specific angles for moving diagonally while looking at a boss. And in return for your freerunning you gain the wonderful experience of trying to freelook with a stick.

I don't have any problem with using controllers but sticks are fucking horrendous in most games, specifically for controlling a camera but there isn't any real movement advantage either (except when the control surfaces are actually SUPPOSED to be indirect and not 1 to 1, as in a vehicle). Almost every console game that requires precise input eschews the stick.

>>15200960

Addendum: Or the stick isn't anything like a normal stick, as in controllers built for fighting games.

>>15199023

This got me curious how do anons hold their controller?

If anons aren't afraid of muh datamining post pics of holding controllers.

I found the main draw of it was that it was made of genuine Nintendium and thus was virtually indestructible. You drop a dualshock or xbawks pad too hard and the triggers and sticks will bend to bloody fuck, but the GC controller? You could smash this nigger against brick walls without giving a single fuck.

>>15200982

nice try fag, you're not jacking off to pictures of my hands

>>15198500

>Muhh Smash

Can't play it on anything else no matter how hard I try

Other than that the DS3/4 beats it in every way.

>>15199023

>He wants to have a "Natural thumb placement" and shit d-pad over Good d-pad and a regular thumb placement because he plays CawoDooty on the xBone and has tiny baby hands

Kill Your Self Faggot

>>15198500

It works well for Nintendo games, and using analog triggers with a digital click feels oddly satisfying. I wish more analogue triggers allowed for that.

My pad is finally starting to wear out. It's the original one I had when I first had a Gamecube. In terms of durability, it's pretty solid. I'm not a fan of the D-pad (no problem since not many games use it) and I'm not a fan of the C-Stick when playing the OOT and MM ports but that's more of a minor complaint. I didn't play many shooters, but I remember the C-Stick not being great for Medal of Honor on a friends console.

For games like Zelda, the Z button feels out of place (WW as well as the others). I can't remember correctly but I think that Midna is the Z button in TP?

Always found it weird that it didn't have another button above the left trigger.

For 3D games, I've always preferred the Dualshock (except when I switched from the 360 to PS3, shooters felt weird with the pad and the triggers kinda sucked on the DS3). Gamecube pad is fine to me. Nothing really special other than it's lasted me all these years.

Probably more to do with the fact that I didn't buy many GC games though.

>>15201920

*ex plane

>>15201966

I see you've never actually used the Saturn 3D stick. There's a reason why the Dreamcast controller isn't physically identical to it. There's no good reason why Sega dropped having 6 face buttons, though.

>>15201975

The saturn 3d controller is better than the dreamcast. Dreamcast stick sucks.

>>15201966

So what you're saying is every controller except the DS has awful dpad positioning? Got it.

>>15198500

My guess is that it's popular for nostalga purposes. I tried using a GC controller recently and I found that the X/Y/B buttons are too small. The Z button is just the right size and distance from the R trigger and the C stick is still amazing. It's not for those of us that aren't handlets.

>>15201966

so in other words you have no problem with finger yoga with your right hand though it's only your left.

The stupidity of the "gamepad" argument is astounding.

>>15201002

This is truth. Ive had two silver gamecube controllers since 2003 that have seen heave use and a shitload of drops, but they're still in damn fine condition. Also as a lot of other people here have said, it's really damn ergonomic. It's not the perfect controller for every game by any means, the d-pad is ass, it only has 1 bumper, and the c-stick is only really suited for a small subset of functions. That said, when those things aren't important for a game, the controller is incredibly comfortable. >>15199023 this image is important. I have above average hands, and I genuinely like dualshocks, but they're definitely not super ergonomic. Even tho reaching down for the Lstick isnt that bad, it raises my palm off of the grip partially, which can be uncomfortable after awhile. In addition, the same thing happens with the GCN or any xbox controller if you're trying to use the d-pad for an extended period. Reaching down like that isnt hard, but its shit after a couple hours of holding that position. Original PSX controllers were meant to make the D-pad comfortable, and the dualshocks analog sticks came in as an afterthought. Xbox and GCN made the analog stick the most comfortable. It's not hard to figure this shit out. Also just as one more point for the GCN, the face buttons unorthodox layout is beneficial for sliding your thumb across multiple buttons for more complex actions, which is why it's so important for shit like smash

>>15202053

whoops fucked up the formatting, I guess I am kinda buzzed.

>>15200208

"You have done there?"

>>15202053

Claw grip is fucking brutal on large hands dude. I played dark souls with claw grip on a ds3 and my index finger always felt fucked up afterwards. The controller is too cramped for it to be comfy. Same shit with a mouse, putting more than 2 fingers on top feels forced and claustophobic. All your posts are really saying is that you have tiny fuckin hands

>>15202075

Do you guys seriously use the claw all the time? You realize you only need to do that when you want to move the camera and press face buttons simultaneously right? Not all the time. This isn't MLG Halo.

>>15202079

If you're playing Dark Souls then you're gonna want camera control the vast majority of the time. Claw grip let's you sprint and turn the camera simultaneously. Sure you can ease up if you're not in combat or travelling, but most of the time you're gonna want it

>>15202095

Meh? I managed through most of the content in the series and Bloodborne without using claw all the time. I mostly used it during bosses.

>>15202110

I have big hands, have no problem holding the controller, and I still think it's dumb.

How often do you use the D-Pad unless you're playing a side scroller or a super-menu heavy game?

I play more 3D and action oriented games so I prefer having my thumb in a more relaxed position, and it's hell when you're playing with a broken thumb on Duel Shock.

Design of it overall is superior but I just think swapping the D-Pad with the Joystick would be a lot better.

>>15199196

>botnetpage

use searx.me

>>15202095

sadly I have to use claw grip when playing games like devil may cry because you have to charge shot and other things…… I wish controllers were just good and games were designed around maximum input efficiency(I think most fighting games are probably the best example of maximizing efficiency of the arcade stick for example I'm never in a scenario where I have to do uncomfortable maneuvers like I have to with KB&M or gamepads alot of games though have retarded stick buffering motions but unless you are playing on a really high level or a game like KOF you don't really need that)

I'm glad they're rereleasing official GC controllers for Smash Ultimate since I just got into emulation. Best grab up preorders while you can before their prices skyrocket to a $100+ USD due to tourneyfags.

>>15202130

The comfy dpad and positioning is the reason I bought the controller. That and the PC drivers. That said, I am an edge case because I generally don't play action games on console (unless they offer primarily dpad usage or don't require me to control a camera).

>>15202104

Nah I get that. It's definitely not necessary, but I've always felt way more comfortable (mentally not physically) playing with claw.

>>15202118

Yeah maybe. It could just be different strokes, but I've sometimes thought I'd be more comfortable with claw using a different controller. Maybe I'll try that soon.

>>15202143

I feel it. Arcade sticks are inherently pretty ergonomic, and all the fancy shit is designed with them in mind, so it works out pretty good. I play a lot of arcsys fighters on a Hori RAP4, and I cant remember ever having sore hands after playing for awhile. Action games are definitely the hardest to find a comfortable and efficient control scheme for, so I feel your pain there.

>>15202110

>Dualshock has the superior controller layout,

That's false

>but some people don't understand that you're supposed to hold it with you fingers and not in your palms

Which is a fucking stupid design>>15202209

>>15202140

>botnetpage

Explain.

>People hating on the N64 controller

Do they not realize it was a hybrid of Wiimote and SNES paddles?

>>15200524

Apparently the internal mechanism for the D-pad has been changed for the Xenoblade 2 controllers fixing that issue.

>>15202525

Dog bone controller?

If that is a analogue stick at the lower base and the double button layout on top, I would assume it's a controller made for someone with one hand and is held between the legs?

>>15202606

Can't Mark filter this bot? Seems stupid easy.

HEY MARK JEWTARD just filter "(1 total; 1100.00%)", dumb jew nigger

>>15202864

sorry meant

(1 total; 100.00%)

>>15202493

>1st pic

I too have played Armored Core

>>15202864

mark's not taking suggestions for improvement

>>15201011

But the dualshock d-pad isn't good at all.

>>15202955

if you've never claw gripped you're basically a massive casual and have nothing of value to say.

>>15202958

yes you are

>>15202956

when would I have ever needed to do whatever the fuck that is wtf

there were a couple times I maybe could have but I just hit the button with my nose

>>15202958

fuck off mewtwo

>>15202964

using the inventory while moving around in any souls game comes to mind

>>15202493

I only claw when I play Dark Souls and need to use the camera while running

>>15201966

>Everyone else is doing it, so it must be good

Great argument

>>15202493

Just a reminder that it's impossible to claw a controller when the stick is in the upper slot (as with the xbox left stick). It may not be very common to need to do something like the first pic, but the alternative is for it to be impossible.

>>15198500

FUCK YOU OP ITS THE BEST GODDAMN CONTROLLER IN THE HISTORY OF GAMING!!! AND FUCK ANYONE WHO SAYS OTHERWISE!!!

>>15202140

Thanks, but what is botnet about stratpage?

>>15202493

Just use a keyboard you giant nerds.

>>15202493

This is autistic and uncomfortable looking.

>>15203036

It is, though. It has the best balance of number of inputs, comfort, and style of any gamepad controller to date. I grew up with the PS1 and PS2 but the Dualshocks always felt worse and more flimsy compared to the Gamecube controller.

>>15203040

>keyboard

>tool designed for spread sheets and word processing

>calling anyone else a nerd

I'll stuff you into a locker, dork.

>>15203076

>the future is analog gamepad and mouse

I actually like this but it just reminds me of the Wii Remote and Nunchuk. Though I bet they would work well in PC FPS games if you could figure out a way to get around the awkwardness that is needing to point the Wii Remote at the edge of the screen to turn around

>>15203084

now try using a keyboard and mouse upside down

>>15203076

Is it crazy expensive?

t. poorfaggot

>>15203092

>now try using a keyboard and mouse upside down

Don't need too, because a $10 keyboard is more well designed than your standard $30 controller.

>>15203106

>$10 keyboard

>Can't even press more than 2 keys at once

how pathetic

>>15203114

>he can't do it

>>15203090

>Though I bet they would work well in PC FPS games if you could figure out a way to get around the awkwardness that is needing to point the Wii Remote at the edge of the screen to turn around

The Conduit games got around this by allowing the player an autistic amount of control options, including the deadzone for when the camera starts to turn (plus a button to automatically turn 180°) essentially making it just as good as m&k if not for the input lag inherent in using a wireless motion controller. I'll take Wiimote/Nunchuck over a normal controller for shooters any day.

>>15198500

I always liked having different sized action buttons. I don't know why controllers don't do this anymore.

>>15203152

Nigger that only does one axis, an analogue stick does two and a half if you count the analogue button.

>>15203076

This is unironically how I play third person shooters.

>>15203156

Reported for being a nigger.

>>15203084

Suggest a better design then. Something that allows you to comfortably hold the controller and use the sticks and buttons at the same time.

>>15203206

Why is the steering wheel upside down?

>>15203374

to activate gamer mode

It was made out of good material that feels really good in your hands.

>>15203275

You are not supposed to claw the fucking controller you retards.

You need to rest it on your pinky and ring finger.

then you have your thumb and two fingers free.

are you gorillas or something?

>>15203410

you need to use the stick, face, AND shoulder buttons together

>>15202834

>I would assume it's a controller made for someone with one hand and is held between the legs?

Its the ultimate fap-troller. You can play your favorite hentairotica games with just one hand. Wait until you try the five different vibration speeds!

>>15203076

>>using digital inputs for movement

I only use controllers that wire directly into my human brain interface.

>>15199011

The DS4 V1 was cheap, I broke two V1 controllers, the first time it was the R2 buttons that didn't work , the second time it was L1. I decided to call sony to complain and surprisingly it was relatively common as a problem, so they sent me a V2 controller for free.

>>15198500

It's not a bad controller other then the d-pad made for midgets, but really nothing special. Other then it following the pants-on-head design of the 64's and proceeding the wiimote and motion control faggotry nintendo is so intent on forcing. So maybe it's just that it was the last good nintendo controller.

>>15203275

Xbone Elite controller family

>>15203631

It's okay

Nothing says nostalgia fagging more than people thinking some rushed ass terrible controller from Sony (Literally putting the sticks at the only available place they had left) is the best ever designed. The mental gymnastics some of you do to defend it are insane. If Sony redesigned that thing from scratch you wouldn't be using the old one at all.

>>15203374

It's not? That's a Wazda car.

The only controller to be retarded was the NGC one because it changed the universal placement of the main action buttons, the N64 one despite looking odd didn't change at all the way you played as changing the placement of the stick or dpad as demonstrated by the Xbox controller and the very NGC controller(the dpad in comparison to all previous NGC controllers) , is nearly of irrelevant consequences.

However coming from any other controller the NGC pad had a stupid tier layout because it was incompatible with your previous experience or other existing designs that all had copied the traditional ninyendo layout.

>>15203700

>the dpad in comparison to all previous NGC controllers

*previous Nintendo controllers

>>15203631

I enjoy the controller for what it is. I hate the glossy reflective surface though. It attracts grime like nothing else. Even if you wash your hands before playing sweat will still build up on it in a very noticeable way after extended use.

>>15203813

i think the glossy electronics meme is to make them more attractive as substitute butt plugs

Nothibg.

It's just nintendrones in desperate need of validation blowing things out of proportions because it's a Nintendo product.

>>15203092

Pros use keyboards sideways.

What's a good controller for PC for emulation? Dual analogue and all.

I have a USB iBuffalo NES gamepad, but one of the shoulder pads doesn't register at times. I opened it up and I think it has to do with the small rubber over the digital switch.

>>15203905

I believe the kb&m is superior for like 90% of games and the rest can be played with a dualshock.

>>15203920

Sounds like someone hasn't seen the GCN/keyboard controller. I want to see someone bring that to a Smash tourney.

I fucking hate the GC controller, everything about it is the polar opposite of ergonomic

>4 face buttons 3 different shapes

>X and B miles apart with A in the middle meaning you have to claw this ungodly mess to press both at the same time without also tapping A

>Y and B requires you to twist your thumb sideways to reach between them without tapping A which can cause hand issues over time.

>the literal worst D-pad of all official pads since it's gen, I've used $12

>Both sticks are different

>the left stick apparently is fucked and can't reach it's full reach distance except for 1% which smash players will actually buy in bulk hoping for a good one

>Right stick is a god awful nipple with no grip

>one shoulder button which means multi plats needed to compromise for this gay shit

>Shoulder buttons have awful springs that feel like they grind plastic on plastic until they're warn and nearly broken

>Start/Pause bellybutton

>literally only games that play ok on this shit are Nintendo

exclusives which are made around these sub human piles of shit

>>15198970

>Try and beat the genesis controller

>when the saturn literally exists which is it + more if needed so no ergonomic expense

Are you retarded anon.

I really don't have a problem with any of the first party controllers. The only thing which is a problem with all of them is that the left analog stick is always at a weird angle to my thumb so it's always a little bit off.

Like if I want to go left you pull a little left and down and if you want to go right it's always a little right and up. Only really notice it with charge characters in fighting games and a few other things which I can't even remember. But that's the only real problem with controllers I've ever had and I don't know if there's a fix for it in all reality. I saw there are settings for it in the Steam controller some sort of compensation for it? I don't know the thing collects dust for the most part anyway.

It's well designed.

>Curved to fit well in the hands

>Satisfying trigger buttons, Z button on most people's dominant side

>B X and Y buttons are all around a raised A button, so your thumb can slide easily from one to the other

>While still holding A even

>Laid out so its natural to keep your thumbs centered

>Near parallel grips instead of pointing together

Most controllers have the same weird quirks. Like grips being slanted and the four main buttons all being in a square shape so its weird to press multiple at once. Not to mention having a slightly weird way to hold them. Seriously give someone who doesn't play games a gamecube controller and they'll say it feels right.

>>15205948

Why not?

Being a space bounty hunter would be a lonely job.

>>15206125

The point is obviously not how to hold a controller, it's how to hold it comfortably. If it's resting primarily in your fingers and not your palms then you're developing some serious and avoidable arthritis issues.

>just open your palms and git gud at my shitty controller design you cunts

Basically you have the same problem ds lite users had, but you beg sony every generation to never ever solve it.

Felt different with the variety in button shapes, little fuckers could take a beating too.

>>15206613

The controller weighs 192 grams. You also barely need to grip it, just lightly press your palms on it so it won't drop off your hands. You barely even have to put any effort into holding it.

There's so many other actual issues with the dualshock sticks like the rounded top making your thumbs slip off and the sticks being a bit too close together letting your thumbs touch (both which were fixed with the DS4), and yet you chose to create an issue that's not there. Seriously how inept are you? I'm astonished.

I can list you all the problems the dualshock actually has but the stick accessibility was never one of them. Something's wrong with your thumbs.

It's comfortable. Needs a revision though. The Switch classic controller should just be a better Gamecube controller.

>>15203631

>two analogue sticks up top

Can never get used to that. Maybe it would be good for shooters.

>>15198500

It's ergonomic and it's built like a fucking tank.

>>15207757

NES, SNES, and Genesis used d-pad for movement control. Your thumb fell in the spot where Nintendo and Microsoft opted to place their analogue sticks (realising that that's what 9 out of 10 games would be relying on from that point forward).

>>15206666

Ergonomics is a well-studied science that EVERY hardware design company takes into account except for sony. You can keep attacking people who never had to put up with dualshock shit, but when even cellphone and gun manufacturers follow the principle of designing around the human hand instead of telling the user to accommodate, the rest of us will think sony is doing something wrong.

I hope that 192 grams for fourty hours a week over the past twenty years hasn't caught up to you yet, friend.

>>15207979

I think anon wanted you to post a controller, not something a robot threw up in your hands.

>>15207984

It's pretty comfortable for an internal organ then.

>>15207980

the touch pad is the select button.

>>15208038

>have a perfectly fine select BUTTON

>replace it with a gimmicky as fuck touch screen

>fucking social media buttons

And your point is? It's a garbage device. I never cared for any dual shock designs myself, but Sony objectively fucked up with the DS4

>>15207984

But what if I want something a robot threw up in my hands?

>>15198519

wrong, wii classsic controller is the superior nintendo controller

>>15202493

Any game that requires you to do that shit to play it properly is a poorly designed game.

>>15202935

What's it like knowing you will never be correct.

Its better than the DS3 which was already good.

>>15202140

>startpage

>botnetpage

I am going to need some citations and sources anon. Preferably from our /tech/.

>>15202140

>botnetxme

use yahoo

>>15215011

>bothoo

use a library

>>15214698

Unironically the greatest controller even made.

>>15214698

Still my favorite pad for 3D games.

>>15207949

Still my favorite pad for 2D games.

>>15214698

For the duke!

>>15207858

>I'd say adding meme-tier useless touchpads, motion control + led lights and replacing Select with a facebook share button were terrible ideas conjured for the sake of being different, but it's still slightly better than DS3 because of the triggers, among other things.

Those things don't get in the way and are sometimes used well, like in Gravity Rush. The Share Button is stupid but that's solely a software issue. When I plug in to my computer to use for emulators or whatever, it still functions perfectly well as Select.

>>15207980

The difference between Select and Share is purely software. That's not on the controller.

Touchpad is great when used properly. Doesn't get in the way of anything. I can use it to control the cursor when using it on my computer, so I don't have to get off the couch to change games or whatever. Also, you probably haven't used it, so you might not realize that you can click on the right, left, and top for three extra buttons, and it detects tapping in whatever spot in addition to those buttons. Even if you don't use it, it doesn't change anything from before. So ignore it if you want. Same goes for Motion Controls.

GBA buttons are shit because they lack X and Y. So many games were GBA ports but had ruined control schemes due to this. Otherwise it was fine.

Genesis and Saturn had problems. Genesis had to release a second controller with extra buttons because major games like Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat were shit with only as many buttons as NES had. Saturn 3D controller is great but six face buttons and two back buttons isn't as good as four and four, because you can't hit as many combos as easily. Hitting A/X at the same time as C/Z without hitting B/Y in the process requires the claw, which is garbage. Move two of those buttons to the back like the PS did and any combo of any buttons becomes easy.

Xbox followed the Sega evolution of controllers but removed the VMU, the one thing that made the Dreamcast controller cool. The button placement was also so bad with the Black and White buttons that they had to keep revising it over and over until they just got to having two extra buttons on the back, which it should have been the whole time. But even then the D-pad has always been garbage and the joysticks aren't symmetrical even though my hands are.

I referenced the fact Genesis came out before SNES. They then released two more consoles and like four more major controller revisions which all continued to be worse than the SNES and its successors. They're fine, they're functional, but not as good as SNES and PS.

>>15208044

You can click the touchpad and each side is a button. The top is also a button but that's not as convenient to hit without moving your hand. Only really useful if you're using it to control a desktop or something.

Share button is dumb but only on the software side. Plug it into your computer and it becomes the Select button again.

>>15208034

My favorite games of all time are on Dreamcast, but the controller did it no favors except for the VMU being cool. And even then it was rarely functional outside of looking at your cards in Sonic Shuffle. Putting stuff on it like your Chao or whatever and taking it portable was neat too but ultimately not actually worth the cost of batteries.

My first console was Genesis and I'm a big Sega fanboy, but their controllers weren't quite as good as what they were up against.

>muh libraries

>in a controller thread

>in regards to an image about controllers

If I was talking about libraries it would have all been Genesis and Dreamcast.

XB gamepads are straight up shit though.

>>15216984

>Those things don't get in the way and are sometimes used well

They're a waste of battery. I really like the Dualshock but I'm fucking mad that they're so close to perfecting it, yet they're going out of their way to add useless shit to the design.

>>15198500

Nothing, it gave me arthritis, literally.

>>15198500

Button layout aside, it's great to hold it, it embraces your hand, hug it and to lewd things to it.

It's like a festival of handholding.

>>15201080

Pretty much: for the games designed for it it's great.