a5392e No.15192271
I've always been kinda amazed at how good the lighting on source can be. Especially with use of colors. Such as yellow tint to give things an uneasy feeling. For some reason, though, they added color correction which thankfully can be disabled.
7cdbab No.15192310
Source engine doesn't have good lighting. vrad is nice looking when implemented well but it's a chore to tweak until it's ideal. It requires a ton of work to get effects or results other engines can do automatically.
a5392e No.15192378
>>15192310
I know source is really bad for generating lights, requiring invisible lightblocking textures to get effects desired. It also has really shit dynamic lights. This kinda forces the map makers to think more about how lighting is going to work since they have to fuck with it at such a rudimentary level. As a result source maps have some of the best lighting I've ever seen in games.
The lighting algorithm itself is really good to.
54ef0d No.15192623
>games with god-tier lighting
>OP starts with source
>doesn't start with F.E.A.R. or id Tech 4 games
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a5392e No.15192669
>>15192623
>Bitches I didn't pick his favorite game
>Doesn't even post screenshots
If I wanted the best I could think of I'd pick games with pre-generated backgrounds tbh
ade804 No.15192707
>>15192669
>F.E.A.R.
>not objectively one of the best shooters ever made with one of the best utilized engines for the kind of lighting it can produce
56c01f No.15192747
Did someone say God-tier lighting?
05789f No.15192750
a5392e No.15192752
>>15192707
Come on anon. I thought at least you'd post the gif with the grenade knocking the lights around. That vid barely shows anything spectacular.
These anons know whats up.
>>15192710
>>15192747
afa09f No.15192767
Not many games can compete with Stalker in this department
54ef0d No.15192803
>>15192669
nigger, I didn't make this fucking thread. I am under no obligation to float your shit anywhere
a5392e No.15192815
>>15192803
I just wish faggots like you would fuck off back to cuckchan.
>>15192806
>>15192811
Doing gods work.
80eb16 No.15192821
>>15192752
>>15192707
Have a couple more, but /v/ is not letting me post.
acd486 No.15192830
>>15192707
That file name is a LIE!
3a9213 No.15192861
General Reminder that Ray tracing and Subsurface Scattering is the next thing Nvidia Is planning to ram down the Gaming industries Throat.
Just like they rammed over bloated Tessellation into every game they could.
Just like they rammed Hair Tessellation into every game they could.
Just Because their cards could run heavy tessellation slightly better than their competitor.
Now their next gen Cards have huge gains in Ray-Tracing and are already starting to implement SSS into Gameworks.
Get ready for all you polygons to be oiled up like hookers all the time so you can see those "Refections in Real Time!!!1111"
https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2018/03/19/whats-difference-between-ray-tracing-rasterization/
>whats-difference-between-ray-tracing-rasterization
Pretty much a negligible visual difference just like everything else that's come out of Gameworks, at the cost of performance.
80eb16 No.15192873
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>>15192707
>>15192830
Well, it was briefly and he didn't use it to kill anyone, but yeah.
FEAR should be played without slowmo anyway, the most unnerving and frantic FPS experience I've ever had.
Brb, re-installing yet again.
59a30c No.15192960
GTA V has some really nice lights for an open world. I ish I could find some vanilla screenshots of those.
84b7f6 No.15192989
What? No love for Splinter Cell?
2f7437 No.15192994
This game had its moments
a5392e No.15192999
>>15192989
I thought I posted this earlier but I guess it didn't go through.
882fe9 No.15193006
>>15192707
I got bored during the part with the railgun and stopped playing. it was okay I guess
afa09f No.15193110
>>15192994
Excellent taste
a5392e No.15193163
>>15193140
>>15193143
I may be top faggot but I have 100% of dubs which also happen to be trips.
4aab6f No.15193187
Just think. Someone is manually typing in all those capchas for the bot.
a5392e No.15193210
>>15193187
Someones gotta check the dubs boy.
8ab317 No.15193405
>>15192271
>>15192274
how is that an example of good lighting?
>>15192806
Now F.E.A.R. is good lighting.
62f954 No.15193466
>op makes me think thread is about god-tier scenic lighting that was hand crafted to look good
>rest of the thread is fags obsessing over flashlights and physics objects
a5392e No.15193500
>>15193405
>Lighting has nothing to do with color, mood, atmosphere, and hand placed shadows
>It's all about spamming dynamic lights in dark rooms
>>15193466
I am pretty disappointed with how this thread turned out. Maybe 2-3 years ago it would have been better.
8ab317 No.15193542
>>15193500
well when you speak about lighting, the assumption is you are talking about the core engine, not some superficial aesthetic choices.
a5392e No.15193567
>>15193542
I know. I over-estimated this board.
920a43 No.15193606
saving this thread with max payne 3's elder god tier lighting design
56c01f No.15193607
>>15193567
Looking for a proper discussion regarding scene composition in a videogame board might not be very helpful.
a5392e No.15193629
>>15193607
You say that like scene composition isn't a huge part of games. Thief, Stalker, Splinter Cell, Resident Evil, Silent Hill, Alone in the Dark, etc relied heavily on it. Even fucking Half-Life 2, as shit as it was, had some pretty good scene composition.
8ab317 No.15193637
.>>15193607
or OP could have started the thread talking about aestetic composition instead of with a vauge "bro post gaymes with god-tier lighting dude weed LMAO!"
a5392e No.15193733
>>15193637
>It wasn't plainly obvious by the screenshots posted and the mention of color correction
I'm sorry my OP insults your intelligence.
455d63 No.15194249
>>15192378
>The lighting algorithm itself is really good to.
it's global illumination being baked into levels. this is being done circa 2004. Since /v/ doesn't really play new games they don't really know it but this has become a common real time technique since 2011, and something that's done in pretty much all current gen games. Valve is still doing it pre-baked.
901014 No.15194287
afa09f No.15194399
>Retard OP makes thread about vidya lighting
>Is asshurt that anons post real-time vidya lighting rather than static ones
Is OP ever not going to be a colossal faggot?
a5392e No.15194404
>>15194249
I'm referring to the algorithm that determines drop off/fading/etc. I've seen a leaked picture of it before, but I can't seem to dig it up again.
>>15194399
>Implying you can't have scenic lighting be done in realtime
Didn't you post stalker earlier? A primary example of this being done perfectly?
455d63 No.15194471
>>15194404
that's just the balance between the light size/radius/direction and intensity combined with radiosity. I've done a lot of mapping in hammer, the former is just stuff that even quake can do, source games having a technological advantage solely by age by allowing for higher luxel density.
9666d2 No.15194513
>>15192994
I wish SD was set entirely at night in the rain. It looked gorgeous.
ade804 No.15194639
>>15192752
I didn't have the GIFs
455d63 No.15194650
>>15194639
If that's you playing, you play it very boringly.
ade804 No.15194681
>>15194650
if you think THAT'S boring…
455d63 No.15194696
>>15194681
>slowmos for every kill
>hugs cover
>despite the AI in fear being slow to react
cmon kid, git gud.
2fe2c3 No.15194711
>>15193466
You forgot the webm's and mp4's that obviously came from cuckchan and reddit.
80eb16 No.15194747
>>15194711
Since I assume you're talking about the things I posted, I got them from an imgur folder an anon from here directed me to a while ago.
I'm sorry a video meant to demonstrate lightning and physics doesn't have sound, surely it's necessary to make the point.
ade804 No.15194755
>>15194696
Believe it or not, I'm that bad at reaction shots nowdays. Maybe I could've beaten the game the fun way when I was in my teens, but it's all gone down the shitter.
If anything, playing fear taught me to back out of some firefights instead of rushing in like a retard the way I usually do.
455d63 No.15194774
>>15194755
In my aging I've only played more demanding, reflex heavy games. I've only gotten better at games after my teenage years.
80eb16 No.15194811
>>15194774
I used to play mostly played action games during my teen years but around my 20s I developed a taste for Turn-Based RPGs and that honestly kinda fucked me up because I really got into the mindset of overthinking my every move and always trying to take things as slowly and meticulously as possible, even in fast-paced FPS games.
With FEAR, for example, I have to unbind the slowmo button because I'd keep going back to it otherwise.
fedb0f No.15195182
Alone in the Dark 4 has a really good looking lighting system. Not as good as REmake I guess, but it came a year before it and it also runs on PS1.
03e28e No.15195190
>>15192861
>waah waah I am poor
4dc98e No.15195273
>>15193466
>>15193500
The problem is that there are two discussions in this thread. Some want to talk about art direction, others are interested in nothing but the pure technical aspect. The two subjects don't blend as well as you think, especially since the technical-minded will always be more critical of what he doesn't see as the gold standard.
Or in other words, autism.
fe81f6 No.15195346
>post games that have good lighting
>Oh, you thought I meant actual good lighting as part of the engine?
>I actually meant shit that doesn't even cast shadows properly but it has a decent aesthetic mood to it
fe81f6 No.15195354
>>15193607
Discussing colour and scene composition is fine .
Just don't expect people to not talk about lighting when your thread is about lighting.
000000 No.15195395
Lighting doesn't really matter. Its importance has always felt inflated to me. I remember watching a review of God of War III before playing it. Above all else, the reviewer praised it for how well Santa Monica nailed the lighting and how, up to that point, Kratos had the pinnacle of realistic "human" 3d character models. I agreed with the 3d bit because Kratos' model truly was something back in 2010. But I could also care less about how supposedly "good" they nailed the lightning was. I played the game but the lighting didn't "wow" me at all.
And really, that has been my reaction to every game. No lighting in any game has ever floored me. Not GoW3 or any other title this medium has produced in its sprawling history. The only time I ever notice it is not when it's "good", but when it's seriously a bad detriment with lens flare like in Mass Effect 2. So when it's good, my reaction is "meh, who cares". And when it's bad, it feels like someone is blinding me with a flashlight.
99771e No.15195423
6e1db1 No.15195528
I really like how dark the night is Dragon's Dogma. A lot of games treat night as this grey hue where it won't even affect your sight at a distance that much. But in DD, you can only see as far as your lantern permits in the dead of night. I actually dread travelling at night in that game due to how paranoid the inky black night is. It would have really been nice if there were more enemies that would take advantage of the darkness.
441395 No.15195628
>>15192999
>trips confirm elder god tier lighting
1374c4 No.15195655
>>15195395
if you want real use of coloured lighting go back to early 2000s late 90s when that stuff was new, for example the lighting in doom 64 sets it well apart from doom 2 and it's used quite nicely
321b97 No.15195679
>>15195655
Don't you mean Doom on Playstation?
1374c4 No.15195707
>>15195679
they both use the same modified engine so yeah why not
2f7437 No.15195726
>>15195395
Lighting is hard to appreciate because what you're saying, it just feels the way it should be, otherwise you can't cope with it, and as it is an expected standard, you don't pay attention to it unless it's wrong.
84b7f6 No.15195803
I really like BotW's approach. Translucency in leaves is something that is often overlooked. It also has the most true-to-life coloring I've seen, but it still looks a bit washed out in some places like pic related.
b03361 No.15195805
>>15195803
yeah, bloom the image so much that you think you have cataract is great visual design.
84b7f6 No.15195813
>>15195805
No. I think that image looks bad. Something like this is better.
84b7f6 No.15195822
>>15195813
Well, looking at it again, it's lacking a lot of color, but at least the leaves and grass are pretty close to spot-on
757c57 No.15195823
>>15195813
I did like how colorful the game was. Felt much nicer on the eyes instead of all this brown and bloom bullshit in recent games we've been getting
fc61b3 No.15195828
>>15192838
>>15192848
>>15192825
>>15192806
Notice how there is never more than 4 lights per object in those F.E.A.R. examples. Hardly ever more than 2 in most of them. Which makes it really lightweight for hardware to handle. It is actually amazing how much they managed to do with this limitation. I am only assuming based on these videos that their limit was at 4 lights, I have no real idea if that is actually the case and it is a while since I last played the game. Assuming that the limit is indeed 4 lights then it would explain why the game mostly takes place inside buildings where rooms almost always have only one light source. Leaving other 3 available for gunfire and explosions, which happen so fast that no one would notice if one of the enemies didn't produce light with their every shot. Maybe they have a 5th dedicated for the players flashlight?
>>15192825
That room has no light sources in that scene. The only light is coming from the players gun.
>>15192806
The grenade didn't produce any light when exploding (or it was lost due to low framerate of the video?). The only light source in that video is the lamp on the ceiling.
>>15192838
Just before the explosion there is only a single lamp above that desk where the enemy is standing. The fire produces no light. It looks like the grenade is making light here.
>>15192848
This room has two light sources, but they are on opposite sides so having them both illuminate the same objects is more unlikely. A third one on the hallway but it is smaller and doesn't seem to illuminate any objects that the other two are. It looks like some enemies shots are not producing light but may be lost due to framerate. This video displays impressive use of lighting with older hardware's limitations.
Just some autistic rambling.
84b7f6 No.15195849
>>15192861
I wish the shadows weren't so hard. Shadows get softer the further you are from the surface the shadow is projecting onto in when the light source is larger than the object because the edges are actually composed of thousands of shadows. It's why you only see a plane's shadow when it has a high altitude.
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d0ef27 No.15195896
I know it isn't out yet, but Ace Combat 7 seems like it'll have some of the best lighting (and graphical fidelity in general) of any flight game, let alone Ace Combat game.
If you want a game that's already out Dead Space 1 & 2 have some incredible atmosphere thanks to their lighting effects.
ca16fb No.15195902
fbe8f9 No.15195954
>>15192994
Too bad everyone is made of wax
d5da11 No.15196175
Lighting and color make or break a game for me. I don't care if your textures look like dog shit, if you have good dynamic lighting and no brown or blue filter it looks good to me. Escape from Tarkov has some pretty decent lighting in terms of weather and when you blow lights with grenades it's not half bad. Too bad the game is unfinished and runs like absolute garbage. STALKER has the best lighting in any game I've ever played.
06f04a No.15196241
>>15192707
Another thing that really suprised me a lot of F.E.A.R. is that you can play it even on shitty low tier PCs, and with some tweaking you can still have those amazing lighting effects
Too bad that the franchise went to total shit after Perseus Mandate
455d63 No.15196245
>>15196241
the first game was running out of steam once you got past the 4th office complex. I don't think it went to shit, just revealed how limited it really was.
d5da11 No.15196255
>>15192750
>bumping up gamma on TV to win clan wars on Death Trap
afa09f No.15196281
>>15195628
Use the higher-res version anon
5ffc6c No.15196302
The lightning pictures in this thread is too lewd
d5da11 No.15196338
RS2 has the colors down, but the lack of any acceptable shadows ruins it.
9b0724 No.15196395
>>15192271
>all night shots
>BRIGHT AS FUCKING DAY
>NO PITCH BLACK PLACES AT ALL
-6000000/10; get a fucking clue.
Are there any games that represent night conditions correctly AND use it as a mechanic?
I love Hitman 2016’s engine, for example, but virtually all the lighting is baked in. shoot out every light in a tunnel and that baked in light bounce makes it bright as day. If you could take out the lights and use that TO HIDE FROM PEOPLE, that’d be swell.
455d63 No.15196396
>>15196338
it also hurts the game is just fucking terrible.
9b0724 No.15196417
9b0724 No.15196422
>>15195896
OH BOY I SURE DO LOVE IT WHEN MY EYES CHROMATICALLY ABERRATE.
d5da11 No.15196431
>>15196396
Everyone has a guilty pleasure. AMG is at least putting effort into their game.
d0ef27 No.15196774
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>>15196422
>Being this autistic about this
The CA is either significantly less noticable or absent in-game, cool your autism.
f1f15c No.15196856
>>15196774
Can anyone even provide an example where a game had chromatic aberration that was actually painful to look at? Bloodborne was perfectly fine and I didn't even notice until I saw it pointed out on the internet.
6d2005 No.15196906
>>15196856
Crysis 2
Also fun lesser known fact, the patient zero of chromatic aberration is God of War on the PS2 at-least that the earliest game I've seen it in
ae2793 No.15197104
>>15196338
>giving TWI your shekels
acf2dc No.15197117
>>15197104
What if I like shooting gooks? What if I want to make Mark Wahlberg proud?
8ab317 No.15197412
>>15196281
>>15195628
>higher-res
>low-res
whats the difference? they are booth facebook memes.
a5392e No.15197479
>>15196395
>Is unable to notice the fucking spotlights and headlights everywhere
Darkness is a huge mechanic in the game, because the zombies use it to sneak up on survivors. Here are some of the darker areas. It even does the typical "Your flashlight last 10 seconds and has to recharge" thing so the survivors actually have to ration it out. Most outdoors areas have streetlights and shit everywhere while underground is almost pitch black and more dangerous, but that's also where all the guns and ammo is. High risk, high reward of being raped by zombies.
afa09f No.15197495
>>15197412
>wojak
>facebook meme
Are you a faggot?
51781a No.15197546
>>15197412
go back to cuckchan
a336ad No.15199186
>>15192861
>an actual, working mirror
It's been so long since I've since one of those in a game that I genuinely got really hyped up for a second there.
a336ad No.15199224
>>15196175
>setting up a load order for Oblivion - just put in a mod that takes away the magic lighting in dungeons entirely
>NPCs don't use torches, light spells or night vision spells, but their AI isn't impeded by the total darkness they're then left in at all so they just navigate the place and do their thing magically I guess
>but that they don't use any sort of lights also means that if they don't have their vision magically bumped up in the game settings (which is something that that mod actually has as an optional extra, because fug) they'll almost never be able to spot you at all
>but then when they do spot you, they'll then magically be able to track you in complete darkness and follow you perfectly wherever you go
>so I just kinda give up on the game entirely realizing that there was nothing I could do about any of that
That whole experience left me kinda bummed out.
a336ad No.15199250
>>15199224
Although one thing for anyone who's interested, since I went through that whole experience the mod Sneaking Detection Recalibrated has had a feature added to it where on some basis NPCs can now actually lose track of the player in combat instead of magically being able to track them everywhere. So there's that.
acf2dc No.15201829
>>15197479
Zombie Panic Source?
a5392e No.15202153