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4c82ca No.15191148
I don't know if others have already commented before the game is better, if it is World of Tanks or War Thunder, both have their virtues but also have their flaws and in both I had pleasant games but I also had huge disappointments, both for World of Tanks and War Thunder and I'm going to what game Free to play is better? World of Tanks or War Thunder?
PS: If my English is disgusting, I'm sorry, but I shield myself by saying that there's always a First time for everything, and no, I'm not using the Google Translator.
3ef27c No.15191152
>>15191148
War Thunder is less P2W.
006664 No.15191153
War thunder because of planes.
33fa1c No.15191166
4c82ca No.15191210
>>15191153
Yes, that's the great attraction of War Thunder, the Airplanes, but if we're any fairer, War Thunder is a "3 in 1" game, because it has 3 game modes, Air, Earth and Water, which I don't know when it will come out of Beta. In Change World Of Tanks, Obviously, Tanks, but I see it more as a game of "Tactical Strategy" than combat "Tank to Tank" and I dare say that World of Tanks is much more difficult than the Tank section of War Thunder.
f9d094 No.15191218
>>15191166
But he already is, where do you think you are?
8732c5 No.15191255
>>15191148
Neither, they are both Jewish skinnerboxes
80ed5a No.15191288
Why not play something good instead?
5f784c No.15191769
>>15191148
>wt
WoT is biased as fuck, especially towards everything that's not 'grorious soviet steel xdd', but at the very least it plays almost exactly as it's name says, A game about tanks, even with the HP bar bullshit and shitty physics.
war thunder on the other hand is bleeding cash and players mainly because of higher tiers being grind heavy + microtransactions galore
>but what about playing shps and planes
World of Warships/Warplanes, never played them, but I can guess they're just as bad as WoT if not worse
09eacc No.15191812
war thunder, it has its flaws but it's the better game.
54c4a3 No.15191816
>>15191769
Never played but heard warplanes was a stillborn mess, but Warships is just as bullshit. Maybe even more so with citadel hits being a thing and reliant more on RNG than angling or armor thickness.
955af9 No.15191833
War Thunder is gritty with realistic gameplay if you can look past having to grind for basic necessities like parts and fire extinguishers for ingame use.
World of Tanks is a point and click adventure game with a stupidly inflated economy and tank trees that scream quantity over quality.
b786c3 No.15191841
Both games are shit with a metric assload of grind and balancing issues, somehow always skewed in the favor of Russian armor. I'd still do WOT over WT because it's slightly less frustrating
5f784c No.15191848
>>15191812
>>15191833
>(1)
>t.wt elitist drone
go fuck yourselves for trying too hard to shill a broken ass game
>>15191841
Is there a tank game of any kind, online or singleplayer, that's not biased towards soviet AND allied tanks?
955af9 No.15191854
>>15191848
>elitist
Anon, it's a free game, the fuck is there to be proud of in playing a free game
b786c3 No.15191859
>>15191848
>Is there a tank game of any kind, online or singleplayer, that's not biased towards soviet AND allied tanks?
Probably some of the older armor simulators, but I can't remember off the top of my head.
09eacc No.15191870
>>15191848
OH NO I HAVE ONE REPLY
Man you really got me there, pointing out that WT has obvious fucking flaws is shilling it.
5f784c No.15191905
>>15191854
>>15191870
>it's a free game, the fuck is there to be proud of in playing a free game
<hurr why are you so proud of that shit game clearly ours is better
<it has flaws so it's better
why are you trying to pilpul your shit on me you fucking drones, wot is shit but the fact your trying shill your shitty game makes it even worse, so go fuck yourselves
>being this narcissistic
wt is shittier than your aids ridden shithole
>>>/trash/
>>15191859
>the only non-biased tank games are from the 90's/00's
well that's just depressing
b786c3 No.15191914
>>15191833
>WOT screams quantity over quality
>when War Thunder's tech trees have literal duplicates of the same tank with a 2% increase to engine power or a new shell type available for the exact same gun
Both games are utter shit, but you're just fucking wrong.
955af9 No.15191916
>>15191905
>pitpul
>shilling
>narcissistic
You need to take a nap, Anon. Getting this angry about videogames is not good for your health.
0709b5 No.15192115
>>15191905
Both games are shit. WoT has more P2W(literal gold ammo), has a harder forced 50-60% winrate cap(it will actually fuck with your team spawn directions/grouping, and your various RNG values, to force you to not have too many wins), and worse gameplay(HP pools, massive uptiers for lower tier vehicles.
They're not saying WT is a good game, they're just saying it's better than WoT, which is true.
8732c5 No.15192173
>>15192115
I'd say they're even, since WT is less p2w, but a worse game overall
74bb79 No.15192370
>>15191816
>Maybe even more so with citadel hits being a thing and reliant more on RNG than angling or armor thickness.
That's not really true at all outside of extreme range battleship salvos. Cits and protecting against cits are pretty consistent starting at mid range as long as you know how to aim/angle properly. The game does have cancer mind you, but that is not one of them. There was not really much in the way of soviet bias in the game either last time I played. It's the least kiked of the wargaming games.
0709b5 No.15192398
>>15192138
WT has shit balance, shit anti-cheat, and they just recently decided to make tanks load their turret first, meaning getting 1 shot is now something that will happen constantly instead of rarely. Not to mention the shit matchmaking. Tell me, what nations/modes do you play that you think it's a good game?
33fa1c No.15192805
>>15192138
>A game that trusts Soviet propaganda documents for their vehicle stats is a pretty good game
>A game where you can buy an IS-6 is good
>A game which markets itself as a simulator that doesn't actually have simulator-tier level design and sound or ballistics is good
>A game where Soviet tanks which were tuurbogarbage IRL outperform every single other nation is good
>A game where the devs call official German vehicle manuals "blatant propaganda" is good
>A game where you get banned from the forums for disagreeing with a moderator is good
>A game where the developers don't even know how the Panther's gun breach works is good
>A game where vehicles are given post-war ammo is good
>A game where level design is atrocious is good
>A game which markets itself as a simulator and has retarded unhistorical customization pay with real money decals is good
>A game where low settings make it a whole different game is good
>A game where tanks from 1949 fight tanks from 1945 is good
>A game where every map is practically a corridor is good
361f83 No.15192813
None of them. I've spent over 400 hours in War Thunder and I fully regret it. The game is shallow, the matchmaking is horrible, bad balance, the grind is unbearable, the company is full of jews and engages in really anti-consumer behaviour, and it is overall a complete shit-show. And since this applies to pretty much every F2P game ever, even though I haven't play World of Tanks, I can guarantee it's as bad or worse. Just don't commit my mistakes and go play something good instead.
504958 No.15192852
Obviously Armored Warfare.
0709b5 No.15192886
>>15192852
Someone should post the screencap of that anon telling the entire story of how AW was botched.
>>15192805
Recently they added in a "ammo ready rack" system, meaning that on affected tanks(6.0+ BR right now, may go lower over time), ammo will specifically fill up the turret racks first, so you can't take less ammo to not get 1 shot in the turret. This particularly fucks certain tanks/nations like the Tiger 2, since the turret gets penned pretty easily by other tanks at that BR, and it being full of ammo means 90% 1 shot rate. No one asked for this system, and it directly goes against what was historical for some tanks (Tiger 2 actually had carrying ammo in the turret banned after a poor encounter with some soviet armor in the war)
39450a No.15192895
>>15191148
the real answer
b786c3 No.15192904
>>15192895
You're not wrong. No, seriously, it's objectively the least shit tonk game to come out in the last five years
5947fb No.15192914
War Thunder is better mechanically, especially the planes. I played that shit for years before I finally burnt out.
The grind is diabolically jewish in both games. Avoid them or be condemned to an eternity of soulless grinding.
d30464 No.15193648
>>15193638
Isn't that exactly what he fought for? The feminization of the white man?
d30464 No.15193661
>>15193657
>Demonizing White nations
Chaim please
0709b5 No.15193668
>>15193648
It's not what he was told/thought he fought for. It's what he ended up enabling, though I'm sure he and a lot of others wouldn't have participated in that war if they knew the truth of what was happening, and what would happen.
19df9d No.15193677
>>15191148
These kiddo tank games look surprisingly polished.
d30464 No.15193682
>>15193668
I know, I was simply pointing out the irony that yes, he did in fact fight for that.
1e6953 No.15193742
>>15191769
WT is biased as fuck too, soviet planes are almost entirely better than the competition and Gayjin Entertainment excused all that bullshit by saying "they have access to secret soviet documents" or some shit.
1e6953 No.15193752
>>15193742
all things fuckin considered I'd say you shouldn't play either cause both are made by drunken slavs who are biased as fuck to soviet shit which means the game is a unbalanced fuckin mess. they're god awful god damn p2w grinder shit too
6f3aa0 No.15193767
>>15191210
World of Tanks = Counter Strike
War Thunder = ARMA
Neither deliver particularly good simulation and realism, but one of them at least tries while the other just throws it out the window.
6f3aa0 No.15193811
>>15191210
Also yes WoT is more difficult. But only if you play against whales. The primary deciding factor is your tank's HP and DPS, while shot placement and hiding is tetriary. It doesn't matter how good you are if your tank has low HP and DPS, you will not survive for very long and you will not kill anything. In War Thunder it's the opposite, shot placement decides the game and positioning your vehicle properly prevents the enemy from hitting vital parts. But your high level vehicle can be OHKO'd just the same, if the enemy knows where to land a hit, and your powerful cannon will take a lot of hits on unarmored AAA car if you never hit anything important.
9a7573 No.15193839
>PS: If my English is disgusting,
even thinking about regret, lol cuck
9a7573 No.15193847
>>15191769
warships sucks balls, played for 2 weeks then bored
5a66ea No.15193859
>>15191769
>WoT
>Biased
Of all the things that you could say about WoT, you picked the most bullshit one to say. You know why? Because Soviet tanks are close-range tanks in that game.
Soviet tanks favor high burst damage instead of a reliable DPM, however they have lackluster accuracy stats (aim time, gun depression, etc) to pay for that. The KV series in that game is regarded as THE tank to play if you're a dummy. Since they have thicc armour and a nice gun, they don't really require much skill to play because you could just tank each hits while you could just dish-out damage.
While it seems easy on the surface, fact is that high-level tiers favor tanks that have better soft stats compared to raw damage. This is most apparent with the most infamous P2W tanks being a chinese tank, a prototype german tank destroyer, and another fucking german 'light' tank.
Next time if you want to say shit about the fucking game, pick the following you eunuchs
>RNG
>Stealth mechanics
>P2W Gold Rounds
>Grinding
>Grinding on top of Grinding
>Grinding so you can Grind that Grind of yours faster
>PvP-only
>REALLLY shallow Gamemodes
>Unhistorical tanks
>Artillery (ffs just remove it already)
>Camping
6f3aa0 No.15193873
>>15193742
I dunno, I couldn't fucking play as Soviets in Air battles because everyone and their grandma would just instantly set my plane on fire and because of shitty Soviet technology (non-sealing tanks and wooden frames) it just burns to ash, and there's nothing you can do to stop it, once it's lit it's game over for you. When you don't get set on fire you get your pilot perforated because who needs armor lmao! Sometimes you get your wings sawed clean off, if you decide to fight an American or British plane. Shitty armaments with very low ammo count don't help either, you need to be very deliberate with firing your guns - when you only have 120 """cannon""" rounds and 300 machinegun rounds it's very easy to piss away all of your ammo without hitting anything, and then you're screwed. Even if you do hit shit, it doesn't do crap unless you very precisely hit the weak spots. Maneuverability of soviet plane is the second shittiest in the game, with exception to Chaika and Ishak pre-war models, if you got into dogfight with anything other than a German plane, you're already dead and trying to win this is only delaying the inevitable.
Mid tier Soviet tanks pulverize everything, just like they did in real WW2 at the time, but that's about it. German tanks rock in low levels, and in high levels.
The only "soviet bias" in this game is confirmation bias in your head. You take any evidence, however flimsy and weak, and use it to prop up your pre-existing ideas.
8ceb43 No.15193875
b786c3 No.15193910
>>15193811
>if the enemy knows where to shoot
If you're playing the Krauts any hit you take usually either kills your entire crew or blows the ammo, even though you've only got 20 shells in a rack in the back corner of the Tiger, and the shot came in through the lower glacis and somehow went clean through the suspension before fusing. War Thunder's damage models are utter shit. You can put a shell through each and every drive wheel on a T-34 and he won't even feel a hit to mobility, while a Tiger or Panther's tracks eat shit after you only hit the front drive wheel. You can put an 88 shell through a T-34's turret ring, and that fag will somehow survive, while a Tiger eating a penetration to the commander's cupola has the shell fuse and explode, somehow sending all of it's shrapnel straight downwards killing your entire turret crew or even setting the tank on fire by hitting the transmission through pure bullshit magic.
>>15193859
But anon, all of the new and redesigned maps are becoming corridor maps that force you into brawls, and most of the maps have been flattened out because the russian tanks have awful gun depression.
>OP tanks
>assuming the powercreeped Type 59
>the Skorpion
>light tank pointless class of vehicle outdone in everything by either medium tanks or TDs
>not listing the defender / 252U
>not listing the 430U
>not listing the 907
>not listing the K-91 which is a straight upgrade to the Leopard 1
>not listing the 268 V4
>not listing the fact that the russians have the objectively best light tank in the game
Let's fucking compare to the OP shit Germany gets.
>the Skropion G
>the E25
>you could argue about the 90mm Walker Bulldog
>fun fact, Germany has 0 tier 10 vehicles that are considered competitively viable
Now the burgers!
>the Chrysler K
Oh shit, let's see the bongs!
>the Super Conqueror
You could at least try knowing what the fuck you're talking about.
6f3aa0 No.15193916
>>15193910
Tiger is a shit tank that's a ripoff of T-34, what did you expect?
6f3aa0 No.15193928
>>15193910
>>15193916
Nevermind, I thought of Panther. Tiger is shit tank too. Just look at its angles and armor thickness, is it any wonder that it can't take a hit worth a crap?
ca18e9 No.15193932
World of Tanks was a bunch of fun, and is only fun at the first few tiers.
b786c3 No.15193935
>>15193928
Yeah, but a smaller tank with a cramped turret taking a hit to the turret ring and having only one or maybe two crew members die is perfectly fine right?
6f3aa0 No.15193965
>>15193935
Well yeah, there's only two crew members in the turret, the other guys are underneath and in front of it, so the shrapnel would have to travel backwards to hit them. Plus it's very thick and has very shallow incidence angles, and it's a seamless single cast body which makes it stronger.
b786c3 No.15193987
>>15193965
Nigger, I'm not talking about not penetrating and armor thickness, I'm talking about post penetration effects. The shell goes through the TURRET RING and explodes around the commander's dick and slightly above and behind the driver's head, and somehow you're telling me that it's fine that the commander and the guy on the other side of the gun breech die, while the driver doesn't even go yellow?
31989c No.15194000
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>>15191148
>>15191210
WoT blows nowadays, they fixed their soviet bias in fear of WT:Ground Forces years ago but in turn introduced premium tank bias, when in the past prems used to be much worse tanks than same tier normal counterparts with just boost for shekel grinding.
Now new premium tanks are overpowered as fuck.
Also in WoT in normal 15v15 game mode maps are small as fuck, shits all about managing tank view range + camo ratings, DPM and playing second line aka letting rest of the team lose their hitpoints while you fire at whatever they spot. Hell, even armor angling is getting pointless since premium shells got insane penetration values now.
In WT you get big maps with nicer mechanics but in turn you are dealing with massive soviet bias and retarded ww2 vs mid/late cold war era tanks bullshit + cheeky broken tactics like drive garbage fast tank/antiair truck to cap nearest base then eject and switch to ground attack plane with rockets and proceed to rape everyone on the enemy team before they have even enough points to put any fighter/air superiority plane to counter you.
tl;dr both games are garbage on their own, with that just WT is slightly less garbage than WoT.
40631b No.15194005
>>15193970
where do you think you are?
6f3aa0 No.15194017
>>15193987
You seem to believe that when the shell explodes, it sends shrapnel in all directions equally. But you're forgetting that at this moment it still moves at a very high rate of speed, and when it explodes, all the shrapnel will inherit this high rate of speed. This means that forward going shrapnel will be even faster, and backwards-going shrapnel will be significantly slower. In practice the shell goes much faster than the shrapnel can go, so all of the shrapnel after the explosion continues to move forward in a cone shaped volume at the same average speed as did original projectile. Have you perhaps noticed that the AP shell contains pitiful amounts of explosives compared to HE shell? It only contains enough explosives to fragment the shell into shrapnel, not to propel them in all directions at supersonic velocities.
31989c No.15194037
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>>15191148
>>15194000
pretty sure after these 2 videos you wont touch WoT even with 5 feet pole, unless you are wallet warrior :^)
1e6953 No.15194042
>>15193661
yes, the only huwite people in this world are 1000% aryan white people like me, joe doefield bubba gump from USA, fuck those race traitor anglo muhammed bastards.
b786c3 No.15194065
>>15194017
Nigger, it explodes inches from the driver's head, he should at least get some shrapnel in the back of the head, and the shrapnel shouldn't go straight through the gun breech, but it does because war thunder is trash. Anyways, only HEAT shells in WT work like that, AP with explosive filling just goes inside the tank then bursts in what is pretty close to a sphere. It's just that the Russian APHE shells are so much better at slinging shrapnel in all directions after penetrating than any other rounds. I suppose you remember the shitstorm when RU 100mm APHE had more HE filling and general oneshot potential than the Kraut 128mm shells, or the time that the RU 122mm shells had the exact same characteristics of the 152mm shells
6f3aa0 No.15194100
>>15194065
Distance doesn't matter, it only matters if the driver got hit and how badly. The RNG god says the driver didn't got hit. In some of my plays the RNG god said the shrapnel that came through the rear axle traveled through the whole tank and bounced around inside multiple times, killing everyone and destroying all equipment in one hit. In another play I got fully immobilized and then took something like 15 AP shells from 100' distance without significant damage while I was repairing, then I finished repairs and killed him in one hit.
Sometimes there are bugs and sometimes there are just RNG fuckery. Nobody is purposely making SOVIET DA BEST shit in there, 3/4 of the devs probably hate soviet union and russia too. It's just they have retarded habit of making stupid excuses for it instead of admitting guild, and the players have retarded habit of attributing all of these random occurrences to bias. Which, ironically, itself is a bias.
6a724f No.15194108
WoT was pretty fun before they went maximum P2W and when arty was a serious threat the casuals constantly cried about, but it's way too late to play when it was good. Warplanes was a total abortion from day 1 which is unfortunate since I have a closed alpha account I never got to wag in people's faces. Warships was lobotomized because of casual tears about torpedoes and is now a lootbox simulator, stay away. WT was always hit or miss and I've been away too long to say much about what it is now.
66974e No.15194133
>>15194108
Apparently they re-did warplanes with a big 2.0 update and its not horrible. Of course, I don't know anyone who plays it who can confirm it so whatever. My personal experience with the game (granted this was in open beta and like, 1.0 release day) was shoot at any plane that has bombs and then it dives real low and drops them which kills you instantly but they don't take a single point of damage for bombing themselves.
b786c3 No.15194150
>>15194100
I don't really believe in coincidences anymore, especially when they always pile up to benefit the Russian vehicles in the game. Stuff like the Royal Ordnance L7 APDS shells having WW2, GEN1 APCR characteristics and conveniently bouncing off of armor at 61°, which meant they weren't able to reliably knock out T-54s, the tank they were designed to reliably knock out at 1k meters really kinda sealed the deal for me.
8732c5 No.15194191
>WT is better because realism
Where's my combined arms warfare, eggman?
6a724f No.15194238
>>15194133
Interesting. I'll have to see if any of these planes make people mad and play some rounds. I only played a few matches in alpha because it was completely hopeless dogshit but I seem to now have a plane that closed beta guys had to do 700 matches for.
66974e No.15194276
>>15194238
Do tell if its fun. I burned out on WoT and warships a while ago due to reasons everyone has already stated in this thread.
f37165 No.15194290
>>15193661
>britbongistan
>white
just LOL
b3a5ab No.15194327
>>15192115
>has a harder forced 50-60% winrate cap(it will actually fuck with your team spawn directions/grouping, and your various RNG values, to force you to not have too many wins)
People have been claiming this since before WoT even left closed beta. To date not a single shred of proof has been produced to support this claim. What ‘’has’’ been proven (in the form of WoT replays checked against number of recent battles) is that a player can win 70% of the time solo. There is no reason at all to attribute the “winrate cap” to serverside manipulation when it’s easily explained by your lack of skill.
5baf08 No.15194328
>>15194290
The whitest thing possible is to demean anglo nations, as they are genetic, historical, technological and civilizational dead ends.
0709b5 No.15194394
>>15194327
What would drive you to defend such a shit and P2W game as WoT? And in such a poor and transparent fashion as well.
I found out about how hard they force the 50-60% winrate both through experience, and when I started to notice it myself, I went looking around online and found this https://archive.fo/RfZhe
Think I also found a few other people that had done testing and reached the same conclusions, but this was years ago, only managed to find this one because I specifically remembered the part with the Marder II.
>>15194328
They've been pretty fucked by kikes for a long time. There are still a few good brits left, but the majority seem to be the type willing to either bend over and let the government/kikes fuck them, or want to actively help that happen. No point in specifically demeaning them for being anglo, demean them for submitting to/helping kikes destroy themselves and other whites.
b3a5ab No.15194433
>>15194394
First of all, pointing out that what you’re saying is false is not defending WoT. It’s simply calling you out for being false, faggot. Don’t try to turn this into something more than that. Painting me as a shill doesn’t make your argument stronger anyway.
The second deal is that the link you provided doesn’t constitute proof or even evidence that suggests rigging. That guy sealclubbed with one of the most overpowered vehicles for its tier against brand new players and achieved exactly the performance you’d expect. The reason very few people exceed ~52% in higher-tier environments is that vehicle balance and player quality both become far better. Other players don’t give you the opportunity to club them because at that point they have at least some clue where not to go on the map.
Show me statistical evidence with a large sample size that the game is rigged, or don’t bother. Things like RNG shot distribution between players with different winrates (which people have already done ages ago) for example. Not some dude’s baseless speculation based on fringe gameplay.
6a724f No.15194441
>>15194276
So, it's awful. Their new gameplay is all about farming creeps killing bots with teams comprised of mostly bots. In the games I played, I was the only human in most of them. Tier I was a ghost town, This tier V match was the most human I found, 3 players per team were humans (one where right-click brings up options). None of them would chat. The gameplay has the same issues in alpha with an extremely low skill cap and few tactics. Fights are the same spam-until-explode deal. Unless they've ruined WT since I last played a few years ago, it's a much better game.
0709b5 No.15194470
>>15194433
I'm sure WoT devs would love to give out the data that proves they fuck with the RNG of players that much, why don't you go ask them? Shame no one likes WoT enough to waste time to find the level of data you seem to require to believe any sort of forced winrate shenanigans happens. Hell, you sure like to defend them game, why don't you do the testing yourself to prove it isn't manipulated, so you can have some actual arguments besides you choosing to believe it doesn't happen.
b3a5ab No.15194529
>>15194470
If wargaming fucked with players enough for it to matter (enough to keep a player near 50%, for example), even the most cursory analysis would present instant proof that players are getting treated differently. If your retarded theory was correct, RNG-dependent stats like accuracy would be inversely proportional to winrate as the game desperately tried to counteract the influence of the tens of thousands of 60%+ players out there. Instead personal stats correlate to winrate almost perfectly.
Your theory is not required to explain any trends in player performance - player winrates would occupy a normal distribution centered on 50% even with no influence on WG’s part. Your theory also makes no sense from a financial standpoint. WG stands as much to gain from some players winning a lot as it stands to lose from some players losing a lot.
You’re chimping out worse than the DNC hot on the trail of Russian collusion. They didn’t interfere with your performance, you’re just shit.
0709b5 No.15194544
>>15194529
You sure love providing sources while also demanding even more conclusive evidence than you provide. Sage because I don't feel like bumping a thread about a game you're shilling for, while you shill for it.
6a724f No.15194560
>>15194529
They fuck with stats in WoWP. The bots on teams with new players are superhuman. When I played earlier I saw that where they capped almost everything before I even got to the action. Looking at their forums, this new player botstomping is a common complaint by vets.
I'd be surprised if they weren't tweaking matchmaking for their other games as well since they share so much code.
d30464 No.15194562
>>15194042
My post was telling him not to demonize England you illiterate retard
2c2d5d No.15194915
>>15191148
>AIDS vs Cancer
They're both shit. Whore Thunder has more content and much better graphics/detail+mechanics, but they're all so horribly implemented it makes you wish the game were FLOSS.
That said Kike Blunder's balancing has the be the most schizophrenic I've seen in any video game. You have the obviously overpowered Ruskies with spaceship flight model reverse time travel and the ebil raycis nazees whose planes have less retarded flight models and suck dick without autism, but then you have the Nips with varying levels of flight model and bizarro balancing to compensate for their planes' overall historical crappines with guns that either do nothing or kill in one hit, and the Brits who have decent flight models but are way undertiered early on, then get Jesus energy retention at higher tiers. They also added Italians and an entire Baguette tree but I stopped playing before that.
An example of Gaijin's excellent understanding of player desires is when Nip players in RB/SB were complaining that their 1941-42 planes were getting shrekt by 1944 P-47s since the game came out. Instead of simply raising the P-47's battle rating by a few digits to get it in the 1943-1945 ballpark of planeswhich would've been fine if not for the fact that less than 5% of the burger playerbase knows how to properly fly the damn thingthey instead put in a late war Japanese superfighter prototype that never saw service IRL at BR 4.0, where it keeps happily murdering every burger it sees. Since then Burgers have been complaining about the Nips being OP.
d1096e No.15195005
>>15191148
It's probably worth mentioning that this video is using arcade made of WT, which is a lot different from realistic and simulator. Most players play realistic mode for tanks in WT. Tanks move a lot slower in realistic.
>>15191153
No one cares about the planes in WT. They're boring as hell.
>>15191905
It's sad when I see posts like this that look like they are obviously caricatures of some autistic manchild sperging out, but then I remember that they're probably genuine.
d0e421 No.15195075
>>15191848
It's not bias german tanks were just shit
94036b No.15195098
>>15195005
>planes
>boring as hell
836c87 No.15195136
71097f No.15195153
836c87 No.15195157
>>15195153
>americans are pakis now
This is your mind on the talmud
71097f No.15195163
>>15195157
Sorry Jamal Manuel, is hard to tell the difference between you browns
d19343 No.15195165
War thunder is way more realistic and less grindy, even with russian planes made of stalin wood.
50f66d No.15195229
>Health in a tank game instead of vital parts and crew
If you must play either of these then the choice is obvious.
baf348 No.15195310
>>15191848
>Is there a tank game of any kind, online or singleplayer, that's not biased towards soviet AND allied tanks?
Yes, proper simulators like Steel Fury and Panzer Elite.
4c3af7 No.15195379
>WT
Tier I-III = Fun and invisible bushes
Tier III-V = Cancer with a dose of sekrit dokumints lmao and invisible bushes
>WoT
Tier I-IV = Statpadders
Tier V-VII = "Fun"
Tier VIII-X = Memes and Cancer
I prefer playing Warships on the NA server over both of them. I believe it to be the least jewish option.
000000 No.15195474
I used to play my tier 3 soviet tonks in war thunder, but then they introduced a mandatory fucking slot machine on login. I mean, I actually liked the game and all, but I literally can't deal with that shit. Is that still in the game?
d19343 No.15195491
>>15195474
What, the thing that gives you free shit for no price?
955af9 No.15195538
>>15195474
Still is, and every week you get one chance at wagers that fuck your RNG or a test drive of a plane or gimmick tank.
You sometimes get a slot machine after battles which gives you money, boosters, or coupons.
e77d57 No.15195539
War Thunder disgusts me on a deep and personal level.
>close to the start of this year
>a thread complaining about the L7 cannon, specifically it's APDS came out
>to those not in the know, the L7 cannon was the NATO go to gun for armored vehicles, being used on everything from the M60 and Centurions to the early iterations of the Leopard
>The round, APDS or Sabot was underperforming and badly, and people were sick of it doing so
>the opening post pointed out that, through data mining, people found that rounds would have in their files at every 5 degree increments a penalty based on the angle of an armor hit
>this would on a graph be represented as a nice and reasonable slope, the more extreme the armor angle, the greater penalty there would be for a round hitting it at a bad angle
>If you were to hit a flat steel plate using Sabot standing at 90 degrees (in Gaijin's code, this would be a flat plate standing straight up) you would have 303 mm of penetration with a penalty of 1.0 (or no penalty at all)
>for say 25 or 30 degrees (65 and 60 degrees respectively when looking at armor angling) you would suffer either a 3.72 penalty or 2.46 penalty
>So by dividing 303mm of pen by 2.46, you would have 123 mm of penetration
>Sabot had this as well, except unlike all other rounds in the game it also had an extra value placed in at 29 degrees
>this meant that even a slight deviation (either from moving, ballistics drop, or any other issues) would result in a massive penetration penalty
>The real issue of this however is two fold
>the 25 degree penalty they had in place was also massive, but also coincided with the construction angling of most soviet vehicles of the time, meaning aiming at them straight on would leave them impossible to penetrate
>to top it off, T-54s and IS-6's could also angle themselves, increasing the amount of material you need to go through, meaning you were fucked if they had an idea of where you were
>this made absolutely no sense from a realistic perspective as well, because the cannon and round was literally designed to defeat the armor of these tanks after a T-54 was rolled into a British embassy, tested on, and showed to the designers that the current gun was ineffective for facing it
>thread has people up in arms, a few people defending it as totally accurate or claiming the numbers given were all made up
>resident Gopnik retard admin Stona shows up and tells people to submit bug reports and not post, "Conspiracy Theories"
>people show him their bug reports, including one from 2 or 3 years ago, immediately shuts up and is no where to be found
>a new admin shows up, with data of penetration values
>except this is, as pic related explains, hilariously wrong
>thread eventually closed with a, "We'll see what's going on soon ))))" haven't heard shit since then
This is a somewhat more recent example, but for the most part Gaijin is about as transparent as a block of lead. If it isn't talking shit to their players, it's using shady sources I'm still mad about HESH to justify a change. If they do something decent they'll make sure to make up for it by fucking something over as hard as possible.
How they still have the money to keep up this stupidity is beyond me. But I say avoid the game like the plague.
000000 No.15195559
>>15195491
>for no price
Being forced to make a roll for some shitty random boost I didn't ask for on every login is a price too high. I like tanks, but I absolutely despise slot machines and anything that resembles them. There was no way to skip that bullshit, so I uninstalled.
000000 No.15195566
>>15195538
I see. Guess I won't be reinstalling anytime soon.
a30aac No.15195985
54c4a3 No.15196009
>>15192370
>get cit from being hit in the tip of the aft
>nail some fuck head cruiser full broadside in the gut at mid range in a BB
>zero cits
>same with other battleships
Either the servers are garbage or cits are RNG. I can systematically punch the waterline with AP on cruisers and battleships gone broadside and once in a blue moon i'll get a cit. Meranwhile I can come in at a steep angle in the amagi and I'll get cit by cruisers with AP as big as tissue boxes.
50f66d No.15196071
>>15195985
I didnt realize you people had time to shitpost inbetween crafting secret documents to cite.
d1096e No.15197018
>>15195098
They're only entertaining in arcade mode with biplanes. The more you move away from biplanes, the less fun it gets. It just becomes a game of climbing to max altitude then diving on people and running away. Dogfighting ceases to exist very quickly and it just becomes a game of hit and run snoozefests.
6a724f No.15197028
>>15197018
>Dogfighting
You mean circling until the plane with the tighter turning radius wins.
d1096e No.15197045
>>15197028
If you have the mental capacity of a child, sure.
c91869 No.15197331
>>15193742
>soviet planes are almost entirely better than the competition
I'd say this is mostly untrue. The problem with balancing the nation's mostly comes down to most of the playerbase not knowing how to fly planes that require more advanced tactics to do well in. Russian and Nippon planes are very friendly to the tactics of unskilled players (low altitude dog fighting). German planes excel at energy fighting, American planes excel at boom-and-zoom, etc. The Thunderbolt is probably the most undertiered plane in the entire game due to the fact that most players don't fly it the one way it's supposed to.
000000 No.15197886
>>15197018
>arcade mode
>ever
d1096e No.15197927
>>15197886
Yes, always and only. For planes, at least.
74bb79 No.15198259
>>15196009
>complaining about getting cit in an Amagi
>a battlecruiser
>a lightly armored battlecruiser with a fuck huge Japanese citadel
They may not even be citing you, it is just as likely they are raping your superstructure or your underarmored sections for enough damage that it just looks like you are being cit. If they are citing you it is because you have fuck all for deck armor. That is why high tier American CAs can cit a number of T10 battleships at some ranges. Angling only works if they hit the parts of the boat that are angled and are not overmatched.
Jap 41cm guns really start to be underwhelming in t9/10 matches and since T8 is constantly uptiered the pen on them is often not enough. Japanese BB shells have fairly flat arcs. If your shells are not connecting below the waterline or through the deck at long ranges it can be hard to cit things in them. You end up needing enough pen to go through the armor under the waterline to cit a lot of ships or you need to aim for parts of the cit that are above water like the turrets of a lot of BBs.
Play mid tier matches were the game is actually fun sometimes instead.
f120c2 No.15199340
>>15195379
>I prefer playing Warships on the NA server over both of them.
Do their still have that shit were you can get 50% extra uses of repair item if you use muh premium consumable because muh 60sec reload vs 90sec? Because that is pretty jewish.
6f3aa0 No.15199365
>>15194150
Did it knock it out in real life though? Because, you know, if it didn't, then it's ebin secrit documents all over again except against russians.
6f3aa0 No.15199372
>>15195366
It's true though. The only half-decent german tank (i.e. a tank that didn't rely on soviet conscripts having zero fucking skill at anything to win battles) was King Tiger. And even that hunk of shit suffered from logistics immensely.
6f3aa0 No.15199406
>>15195559
You can just skip it you sperg, click a button and the animation will stop instantly.
6f3aa0 No.15199444
>>15195539
I assume you're referring to this
https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/394692-apds-presumably-tweaked-to-not-pen-angled-surfaces/
A bunch of numbers and an entry of particular interest at 29 degrees exactly. But let's actually plot this. Oh, what do we have here?
IT'S FUCKING NOTHING
If you look very closely you can see that it actually offers marginally better penetration than if you'd just plot straight line between 25 and 30 degrees.
Soviet bias, soviet bias everywhere.
943eed No.15199516
>>15199340
If you have a functioning brain then the game literally drowns you in "premium" consumables, to the point where you can use them pretty much every game. And even IF the game didn't give them to you for completing challenges the silver price is easily sustainable with no premium account.
The only true offense WoWS commits is purchasable lootboxes that don't disclose the probability of their contents. Which, despite being jewish as fuck, doesn't affect me in any way.
f120c2 No.15199789
>>15199516
>the silver price is easily sustainable with no premium account.
>It's that argument again.
Yeah kill yourself laddy.
943eed No.15199803
>>15199789
>no counterargument
74bb79 No.15199819
>>15199789
In WoWS is actually is. You don't even have to be particularly good to run full premium consumables and still come out positive.
bacdf8 No.15200109
There is time to time some speculations about wot mm in wot forums. How it is rigged and you get 15-0 steamroll battles time to time. Some anon find the patent that was filed by wargaming, how the mm works for real. According to it, it individually qualify your personal and vehicle performance, then it gives you a difficulty level for your next battle. I.E. performed well and won many battles in a row. Then mm decide to stack your team full of bots and retards and other team full of unicums and above average players. Of course, WG wont admit that they use this system. Here are the links:
https://patents.google.com/patent/US8425330?oq=8%2c425%2c330
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/e0/2c/c3/d0f489b755d989/US8425330.pdf
Page 16 section 10
62a663 No.15200117
>>15191148
Your English is fine. What's disgusting are the games. Any non-simulation flying game is shit by default. p2w games are shit too. Double whammy.
4928ec No.15200130
What the fuck? People play warthunder for the tanks? I only play to fly my Spitfire.
f120c2 No.15200181
>>15199819
You're still somewhat crippling yourself to stay as competitive as the whalefaggots, and don't tell me WoWS doesn't get grindy.
50f66d No.15200218
>>15200130
SdKfz 234/4 and Ju 87 G1&2 are what keep me playing.
SdKfz is just pure magic but getting good rounds in the Ju is a pain in the ass.
33fa1c No.15200373
>>15195539
I was permanently banned from their forums because I was arguing with a moderator about the Panther's rate of fire based on multiple non-commie historical sources and tests. After that retard said that the Panther is using a manual gun breech that "is only capable of 6 rounds per minute at most" I called him out and next thing I know I was banned for no stated reason.
They cherrypick their sources to pander to their retarded russian fanbase.
8b1a37 No.15200578
>>15200181
Compared to WoT, WoWS grind is like a vacation
cb1a89 No.15200752
>>15199372
>the soviet apologist who also defends a soviet-biased shitgame and parrots jewish anti-german propaganda
Guess that happens when you're raised by a single-mom whore.
7834c3 No.15204248
>>15194441
>teams comprised of mostly bots
thats because your playing at 3 am idiot
d0e73b No.15205895
>>15200752
Daily reminder Guderian thought the tiger and panther were mistakes and the Germans should have just copied the T-34.
Seriously though I play exclusively Germany in WT and I don't have any huge problems with Russia, at 7.0 now with the Tiger 2 105 and Panther II. Getting uptiered into 1950s tanks with the earlier Tiger 2s sucked, but even then it's the British and American stuff that's OP now, with some specific American premiums in particular. Meanwhile the forums are enraged because the Leopard 2 is by far the best top tier tank in the game.
90864a No.15205916
Both are shit but if i'm going to play one I'd play Warthunder for the simple fact of the spotting system.
I can't stand the WoT's version of how you spot a tank, how they don't render until you get into a certain range. With Warthunder the tanks can render from across the map it depends on your spotting skill rather than the game engine. How it should be. Can't believe no one has said this yet.
a84c07 No.15206147
>>15205916
But anon, don't you love Russian cloaking technology?
20b9aa No.15206173
>>15205916
Im still anally frustrated that they had a deal with GW and wasted it on a shitty limited time thing for their mobile game instead of a full on 40k mode with all the cool tanks there are in the 41st millenia.
a84c07 No.15206196
>>15206173
I don't think Warhammer's frontline combat lends itself to videogames where you control a tank. It would be two giant blobs firing into each other, there's not much skill, challenge, or player agency there.
20b9aa No.15206226
>>15206196
I dont know where you get that 40k's combat consists of blobs clashing, theres all kinds of engagements, from guerrilla warfare to relative modern warfare to literal god machines destryoing continents in order to kill each other.
>>15206215
A bride's tale, is a really nice manga about an asian gril travelling the steppes in order to get married with a shota.
8732c5 No.15206606
>>15206196
So what's the difference between wh40k and WoT?
94036b No.15206846
>>15197018
>he doesn't spend hours waiting in the queue
>he doesn't spend 45 minutes searching for this enemy while expecting to get spooked from the rear every time, then watches the replay and finds out that the other player flew close by multiple times but never spotted you either due to clouds/russian camouflage/bad postFX settings/being half-asleep
>he doesn't use the instrumentation to optimize his climb rate
>he doesn't realize the cockpit speed indicators show lower readings at higher altitude than what the HUD would usually show
>he can't enjoy the P-38s comfy flight model
>he doesn't like having full rudder authority
>he doesn't perform meme stall fighting barrel roll maneuvres then gets shot in the face by the top player on the worldwide leaderboard
>he doesn't finally engage an enemy after ages of dicking around only for the match to time out right in the middle of it
>he doesn't autistically do the 45° dive-yoyo so as to not get insta-shrekt when attacking B-XXs
>he doesn't drop torpedos in suicide runs 50m off the target vessel, then blows himself up for the emperor
>he doesn't enter a massive furball, ends up in a bad spot and survives because the other players lost sight of him in the chaos
>he doesn't rely on radar-guided AA to find players to shoot at
>he doesn't shoot down the top player on the server by diving on him from behind or catching him at the peak of a yoyo/immelmann
>he gets shot down due to spinning out at an unoppurtune moment, then complains on the forums about unhistorical flight models and gets banned
>he doesn't practice carrier landings to the point he can gently stall his aircraft into the wires
>he doesn't turn up his monitor gamma for night maps
>he doesn't shoot down T4 superprops with Ivan the terrible in his Po-2 over Korea
>he doesn't end up playing like Erich Hartmann to increase is K/D
>he doesn't complain about shitty cockpit views and visibility/graphics errors
>he doesn't get spooked by dead pixels and/or bugs on his monitor
>he doesn't adjust his postFX settings for hours
>he doesn't mess with config files to increase enemy visibility
>he didn't enjoy the no-HUD events
>he doesn't even have a joystick or headtracker
>he can't even fly the airplane by himself
>he doesn't quit, uninstall and proceeds to pirate an actual flight sim
d19343 No.15206862
>>15206226
>posting that disgusting imperial knight garbage
Oh god. Why.
20b9aa No.15206893
>>15206862
I like the knights, they look cool and make sense in lore.
It also works as imperial mecha that are not fuckhuge like the titans nor glorified cargo vehicles with a lasers attached like the sentinels.
d19343 No.15206926
>>15206893
They look like crap and their lore is retarded.
b786c3 No.15206930
>>15199365
>Did it knock it out in real life though?
There's an insane amount of evidence of the kikes knocking out t-54/55s using Centurions armed with 105mm L1 guns or even 105mm armed Shermans, during the Six-Day War. You're just a buttblasted vodkanigger desperately trying to defend your shitty propaganda game.
20b9aa No.15206971
>>15206926
>They look like crap
They are miniaturized imperial titans, if you say they look retarded then youre saying imperial titans look retarded.
>and their lore is retarded.
Not at all, the AdMech gives the ruling elite of feudal agriworlds these vehicles, the maintenance and facilities in exchange for food and supplies to their forgeworlds.
This makes sense because feudal worlds are not allowed to industrialize and without industrializing they cant field adequate armies to defend against xeno incursions while imperial guard/skitarii reinforcements arrives.
d19343 No.15206988
>>15206971
Other than the warhound they do indeed look retarded.
And the admech making deals with anyone and not just eating synthesized gruel made of corpses like in the old lore is heresy.
The whole point of the admech is that they would rather die and let all of humanity die than share knowledge with outsiders. It made them special. Now they are just a technocratic trade faction.
I bet those imperial knights don't even have incense dispensers for emergency praying.
20b9aa No.15207021
>>15206988
If you think imperial titans are retarded then we really have nothing to talk about, since they are made of the same cheesy, rad retardation that spawned 40k in the first place.
And these worlds end up becoming vassals of the mechanicus, with the people that drive and work with the titans praising the omnissiah.
Also, you cant just make gruel paste pop out of nowhere, you need organic material if your planet is a full on industrialized and polluted shithole that produces machinery and war engines constantly.