/v/ - Video Games

Would you really want a new one without Dyack, Amy or any of the original development team?

>>15181133

Nope. LoK is better off dead. We can thank that godawful multiplayer spinoff for killing the franchise, and I mean this unironically.

>>15181097

Dark Prophecy never ever

First time playing the series, tried Blood Omen and it's kind of lame. Should I power through or just skip to Soul Reaver?

>>15181097

>playing a game made by SJWs

>>15181217

>tried Blood Omen and it's kind of lame

>Should I power through or just skip to Soul Reaver?

You should kill yourself.

>>15181231

>Doesn't understand that Crystal Dynamics and Eidos then and now are different

Kill yourself for being a gigantic faggot.

>>15181237

Let me repeat then.

>playing a game made by SJWs

Go back to /leftypol/, soyboy

>>15181153

The spinoff wasn't that bad.

Okay, maybe it was pretty bad, but it was barely related to LoK games anyway. I don't think it's what killed the series.

>>15181217

It's a slower paced game. You should ask yourself how much you care about the story. If you do care, keep playing it. If you don't care, why are you playing this series anyway?

>>15181248

>I don't think it's what killed the series.

It's what kept it dead then. The best thing to happen to the franchise nowadays is to stay dead and buried.

>>15181243

>>15181231

you can kill yourself anytime now you contrarian tryhard nigger

>>15181250

The strangest thing about that game was how much cooperation it demanded from the players (some classes were downright useless without help from your team mates, but OP as fuck with a combo or two) and yet… they made it f2p.

Come on, devs must surely know what kind of players f2p games attract. They can't surely look at the game and decide to make it an heavy-cooperation game when the average players has an IQ of 56.

I can even forgive the lore rape, it's a spin off, doing it's own thing, and you get to play as a Vampire hunter which now many games do nowadays. But the rest of the game was an hilarious unbalanced fuck fest, not because of their content specifically, but because of how bad the average player was.

And every match 2 or 3 guys would be rocking a glorious 2000 ping.

I remember some jewish thing that resembled lootboxes too, but I didn't buy any and don't remember that much. It's a shame, the concept was neat, needed work and less jewery but they could pull it off.

>>15181281

hello there straya, did you check your computer for stingrays yet?

>>15181243

>>15181293

>Being a fucking tryhard faggot

Yeah, you must be that other retard derailing the Voldo reveal thread with the same non-fact based non-arguments.

>>15181250

>It's what kept it dead then. The best thing to happen to the franchise nowadays is to stay dead and buried.

They really shouldn't have gone beyond that since they teased the fanbase with a shitty DLC in a Tomb Raider game.

>>15181305

Still no evidence other than faggotry arguments, here's your last (You), enjoy being a fucking retard.

>>15181248

I care about the story, but I play games for the gameplay. I was interested in what story I'd seen of Blood Omen, but if the gameplay isn't at least acceptable, it's a big turn-off for me.

>>15181327

The gameplay never aged really well for all of the games, for us who played it, it was pretty acceptable. Now if Dead Sun never died and went into full production, you'd see the same game as Shadow of Mordor and War with the same design and artstyle that is pretty fucking awful.

playing Blood Omen but got stuck in the caves after meeting the oracle

>>15181342

The problem with Shadow or Mordor/War isn't so much the gameplay as it is the lack of challenge. If the games forced you to use more of your skills and powers they would be a far better product.

>>15181368

Too bad for Dead Sun, it was pretty much the damn same, even the anonymous dev interview said as much when the description of both Blood and Soul Reaver powers are eerily similar, same with the narrative with two souls in one body.

>>15181355

Well, what version are you playing? the Russian Remake might have fixed that.

Was thinking about trying out Blood Omen.

PC or PS version?

>>15181505

either works, try playing blood omnicide like >>15181382 says.

>>15181097

And he'll be standing there forever.

>>15181298

The stop replying to him, and report him. All the cuckchan rapefugees are doing is pushing their shitty memes while being insufferable fags to everyone else.

Legacy of Kain has always been kind of trash, hasn't it?

>>15181604

The gameplay is pretty mediocre, but the voice acting, and two main characters are top notch.

>>15181153

It's not what killed the series and it wasn't actually that bad anyway.

And if you wish for another LoK in current year then go fuck yourself.

>>15181684

Soul Reaver had pretty good gameplay and Blood Omen was good enough for 1997

Blood Omen was about other things than gameplay anyway

>>15181298

>>>15181243

>>>15181293

>Yeah, you must be that other retard derailing the Voldo reveal thread

Thought the same thing

>>15181505

Get the PC version, it's possible to run it at a proper 60 FPS now and there is a patch that restores better audio from the PS version. With the wrapper, you may need to render the game in OpenGL 1.1 instead of 3.0, which is easy to do from the drop down menu.

https://pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Blood_Omen:_Legacy_of_Kain#Verok.27s_OpenGL_wrapper_.26_patch

https://pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Blood_Omen:_Legacy_of_Kain#HQ_Sound_Patch

>>15181217

Blood Omen is a bit janky, but I thought it was worth playing through.

Leave him there anon, i dont wanna see a current year LoK.

Sadly, nosgoth will never be unJUSTed.

>>15181235

this

>>15181097

>People wanting Legacy of Kain to continue

>After it got noticeably worse with Soul reaver 2

Soul Reaver 2 is a hugely disappointing game. It's really where the plot and writing got extremely confusing and contrived and where they started fetishizing Kain as almost a messiah figure.

>Kain was fully aware of the plot of SR1 before it happened and murdered Raziel on purpose just so he'd be resurrected entirely to help propegate a centuries old vampire prophecy and to further combat the REAL enemies in the setting.

It was so dumb and it's really one of the reasons why the series is known for being "confusing" to people.

By comparison Blood Omen's plot is really easy to understand and is probably the best in the series.

>Kain is murdered

>Gets reborn as a vampire

>Gets told his curse will end if he murders all of the members of the Circle of Nine

>Finds out that everyone who was part of the circle went crazy because one of them that represents the pillar of the mind went insane after his gf was killed

>Starts killing most of them

>Meets a vampire legend named Vorador who tells Kain he should accept his gift and shouldn't want to be cattle because he's now a wolf

>The entire Dark Eden part of the game

>Kain gets tricked into going back in time by one of the circle members Moebius and accidentally destroys the entire vampire race except for him

>"The future says… you die!!" "But I am dead" *HEADSLICE* "As are you"

>Kain discovers Mortanius the pillar of death manipulated the whole thing because he's actually working for the demons who were sealed by the pillars to begin with

>"You thought yourself a king. When infact you were a pawn. You've served me well Kain"

>"My silencing of Ariel is just the first act in my theater of grand guignol. In which you are the tragic hero. Play on little vampire play on" *BOSS FIGHT*

>Kain gets told he was actually the last member of the circle of nine all along and he was also afflicted by the pillar of mind's madness as well. And the only way to restore the pillars and stop the demons is to kill himself. And that this is what they meant by "my curse will end".

>Get the option to say fuck that and rule over the humans

None of the later games I would say ever approached Blood Omen's quality of writing. Soul Reaver came close but so much of the best content was cut from the game and the world feels very small by comparison as a result. Like we don't get to know anything about the humans because the entire story chunk of the human citadel was cut.

And bear in mind the later games were the ones Hennig and co had total control over. I actually agree with Dyak when he said he thought the series went in the wrong direction after Blood Omen. And it's telling all Dead Sun tried to do was take Soul Reaver except rewrite the entire story to have painfully cringey dialogue. Like "FUCK YOU VAMPIRE" in a series that had been known for having pseduo Shakespearian acting. At this point that's all I would expect from a future game in the series.

That and Tony Jay is dead and he was as big a part of the franchise as Simon Templeman was.

>>15186382

>Kain was fully aware of the plot of SR1 before it happened and murdered Raziel on purpose just so he'd be resurrected entirely to help propegate a centuries old vampire prophecy and to further combat the REAL enemies in the setting

Except Soul Reaver already revealed that, as it showed he had free access to Mobius's lab and could see the entire timeline play out. For the entirety of the game, it kept hinting that Kain was already expecting Raziel at his throne, knew that the Soul Reaver would break on him, and had some grand plan involving Raziel. Soul Reaver II didn't take the plot on a radically different turn, it just continued where the first left off. Honestly, if anything was contrived, it's the "evil" ending of Blood Omen, and Soul Reaver making it canon. Kain does a complete 180 of his character, going from believing his vampirism to be a curse and thinking Vorador was an overindulgent egotist, to basically becoming Vorador 2.0 all of a sudden.

>>15186655

>Except Soul Reaver already revealed that, as it showed he had free access to Mobius's lab and could see the entire timeline play out

The Chronoplast was really ambiguous with its visions. You can see it with how in SR1 when Raziel sees visions of himself that were actually from beta footage of SR1 and were supposed to be possible futures. Like Raziel killing Ariel inorder to kill Kain. It's clear time wasn't rigid at that point in the continuity.

>For the entirety of the game, it kept hinting that Kain was already expecting Raziel at his throne, knew that the Soul Reaver would break on him, and had some grand plan involving Raziel

The original ending to the game before it was hastily cut at the last minute explained that Raziel was supposed to kill Kain at his fortress at the end of the game and then use the bells in the Silenced Cathedral to kill the vampires. I doubt the writers intended that to be "Kain knows what's happening guys" and more "Kain is just really smug and doesn't think I have a chance at killing him". Or these dialogue lines were added later when they had to write the cliffhanger ending.

>Kain does a complete 180 of his character, going from believing his vampirism to be a curse and thinking Vorador was an overindulgent egotist, to basically becoming Vorador 2.0 all of a sudden.

That's not a 180 that's his character arc boiled down throughout the entire game

Kain starts out as a normal human and eventually transforms into a vampire. At this point he is still a nobleman and wants to go back to being human. And expected to after he killed the people who assassinated him.

If you look at things like weapon and item descriptions the player's initial items tend to be described more spartan like. Like he describes Flay as just weapons that remove flesh from bone. But he starts getting more gleeful with each item he gets

>"Of all the methods I employ, this is perhaps the cruelest, causing my victim's body to shrink on itself, crushing bones and rupturing organs 'til the pressure inside bursts the sac of fleshy skin, spraying its contents for all to see."

>"Havoc and Malice, their presence in my hands keeps me from employing magic, yet rest assured they do little to hamper my relish for slaughter."

>"Time fades even legend, and the origin of Soul Reaver has been lost long ago. But its purpose remains – to feed on the souls of any creature it strikes. Kindred, this blade and I."

It's clear Kain throughout the game really enjoys killing and vampirism changed him more into a sociopath. When he gets to King Ottomar's castle, a place he used to see with fondness as a human he treats it like he's better than everyone there. It's almost like he wants the Nemesis to murder everyone there.

tl;dr Kain becoming Vorador 2.0 was a big part of the story to the game and one of the reasons why the writing in Blood Omen was superior to all of the later games. By comparison Raziel's development is almost entirely just at the start of Soul Reaver when he discover's he's a walking corpse. After that he remains mostly just reactionary to the plot.

>>15186748

>Why did Voice Acting turn into utter shit, /v/?

Voice actors tend to get hired because they're friends with the producer or they just know a lot of people in the industry. It's why people like Nolan North or Jennifer Hale are seemingly in every video game.

Bioware used Simon Templeman to voice the antagonist (and possible party member) Loghain and he was really good in that as well. I'd speculate that there's a lot of really good voice actors out there it's just the way they get hired focuses more on how reliable they are and not on how good they can say lines.

>>15186655

Anon, the entire point of blood omen is kain slowly embracing his vampirism because he was always a sadistic bastard hungry for power, only that now he sucked blood and had cool powers.

Also, remenber, KAIN REFUSED THE SACRIFICE its a fitting thing for such an asshole of a character, the only good persons in all of LoK nosgoth are raziel, ariel and janos audron.

>>15181305

Retard.

>>15186760

>Nolan North

Is actually a pretty decent human being and he called out other VAs for performance matters saying without devs there won't be work for them.

>>15186887

They'd probably just go back to doing commercials and being in B-movies

>>15186748

I forgot its that guy from Star Trek doing Raziel…

>>15187388

What's wrong with the second screencap?

>>15187590

It's the reason why it's unlikely we'll see another Sh2 re-release. Because Konami are massive jews and don't want to pay the actors for the residuals they were promised when they were working on the game.

>>15187738

okay face, chink body. 3/10

>>15181382

>>15181342

You think it's possible one became the other? That they could've used Dead Sun as the base for SoM?

>>15189395

I doubt it, since SoM was produced by Warner Brothers, while DS was in production by Square Enix.

>>15189420

They may well have collaborated under the table, or at least it may have been that someone in SE was feeding WB.

They aren't necessarily competing companies.

>>15189395

Just pretty much coincidental, still looking into it, but so far there isn't much developer personnel who moved from both studios. And the game bloggers did take note of the similarities https://archive.is/zgg2c

>>15189420

Add to that, Monolith Production made Shadow of Mordor, while Dead Sun was by Climax Studios.

>>15186765

>the only good persons in all of LoK nosgoth are raziel, ariel and janos audron.

WRONG! Raziel was called by the writers as a lawful stupid idiot who went from one master to another when the chance to do "Good" And Ariel was a manipulative bitch from the get-go, Kain refused to be manipulated from her when the choices was she getting free of her curse, Kain sacrifices himself while the Pillars and their Guardians are gone and dead while the Hylden gets a free buffet, Janos Audron is the only "Good" character if you put up with all the shit he's experienced.

>>15189468

Raziel is dumb, certanly, that doesnt change the fact that hes a good guy who sacrificed himself willingly.

Ariel was already dead and we dont know if she knew about the hylden, she trully believed kain dying would restore balance to nosgoth.

Besides, she gave all around solid advance to raziel with the whole "those blinded by rage are easily by destiny ensnared".

And janos was the best man in all of the shitshow, pretending otherwise is being a contrarian.

Kain is just a straight up asshole, hes in the right, but an asshole nonetheless.

>>15186382

The idea I got from the story was widely different though.

Kain refused sacrificing himself as he did not wanted to be a pawn any longer in someone else's machinations.

When Raziel showed up with his wings, Kain panicked. He was aware of the prophecy where a winged warrior would rise to fight and eventually kill him and feared this was another attempt of Fate to correct itself.

So scared was he that he tossed Raziel in the Well of Souls, not believing Raziel could be killed by normal means, as Fate would intercept anyway.

It is only after seeing the corruption of Nosgoth and seeing the future that awaited him that he decided something had to be done. Seeing several different timeliness all converging in the same events, with either him dying and Nosgoth being restored, or killing Raziel and dooming Nosgoth, he decided to go for a 3rd option. Avoid the battle altogether so both could live.

I think not even Kain was aware of what would happen if Raziel spared him and refused his role, but Kain was now playing a very dangerous game of manipulation, working together with the person and weapon made and prophrtized to kill him.

The plot of SR2 is actually pretty great since its not just Raziel going through much the same arc Kain went through, but also doing it because of manipulations from other sources, like Kain did. The only difference was that Raziel actually embraced his role and fulfilled the prophecy, understanding it even better than kain.

Reminder that people are still finding cut-content in Soul Reaver 1.

>>15190201

Wait really?

I only heard about the citadel, nuprator's retreat and the elemental rievers.

>>15190218

Yeah. That's just the gist of it. Here's the website dedicated to everything cut content related https://www.thelostworlds.net/

>>15190239

I assume it was some sort of vampire link they had.

>>15190247

Bullshit,pure fanboy drivel.

The simpler and most probable answer is that at that point CD had completely taken over the project from SK and cared more about churning out sequels,tie-ins,remakes,demakes of the Call of Nosgoth XVIII series and milking that cow dry than keeping a quality standard for the writting,give them a streamlined 5 hour game with some servisable graphics and barely functioning gameplay some recognisable voice cast and charge them $60 for the pleasure.It's not a rule that any time travel story must become inherently bad at some point but so far more often than not it attracts the laziest motherfuckers to it

It's strange that such a shitty game series has such a small and rabid fandom attached to it, hm?

>>15190281

>Vampires/Life stealers are super cool

no,you're just gay

>>15190263

The games are shit mechanically but the setting and characters are really interesting and well done.

can someone tell the story of soul reaver in greentext like they did with kingdom hearts?

>>15190605

>the world is an evil shithole

>destiny is unavoidable

>"fuck you time" says kain, champion of free will

>destiny, an eldricht god and ancient aliens hate that so they proceed to fuck shit up for everyone even more than before

>fabolous raziel was just a tool of both destiny and kain's gambit

Thats the gist of it, but theres muchvmore to it.

>>15190263

>hm

Go back.

>>15186887

Nolan tries to put some effort into his job unlike Runka Chan, Ashley Burch, and Cristina Vee (they suck someone off, use their looks, or promises dates to guys in the industry).

>>15190239

>how did Janos Audrin recognize Raziel when he first saw him, plus he talked to him as if they had know each other for centuries("Raziel, my child what have they done to you?")? I know there was the prophecy and all that, but there was never a clear picture of how the vampire messiah was supposed to look like.

Someone apparently asked Amy Hennig this question and this was her response

>Why does Janos recognize Raziel in Soul Reaver 2 if they've never met?

>The ancient vampires' prophecy foretold Raziel's coming. Janos was expecting the hero depicted in the murals, and was surprised to see Raziel's true appearance.

>>15190150

The writers say otherwise

>Why did Kain have Raziel thrown into the Abyss?

>Kain deduced that Raziel was the prophesied Vampire hero/messiah and that his temporary destruction would ultimately lead to Kain s claiming his own destiny as the Scion of Balance. Though at that time he was still unsure of how it would play out.

>Kain had understood enough of the Vampire prophecy to see the roles that he and Raziel would play, including the necessity of casting him into the Abyss.

Essentially even the writers state that Kain knew fucking everything that would happen before it happened.

See what I mean by how the later games all had writing that shit the bed?

>>15190201

This isn't that good a thing. Soul Reaver 1 was supposed to be a far bigger game originally. To the point where basically all the content in Soul Reaver 2 and Defiance was supposed to be in 1. Like

>The Turel fight

>The Kain/Raziel fight where Raziel wins

>The elemental reavers

etc.

So much of the remainder of the series was just recycling from Soul Reaver. Blood Omen 2 was the only one that wasn't like this because it was born out of a failed project to make a sequel to an old genesis game called Chakan the Foreverman

>>15191892

There's a few different possible explanations. One is that Kain did some time traveling and, thus, wasn't technically as old as his lieutenants, by the time Raziel returned. It's also possible that the method that allowed Kain to revive the Seraphim also "corrupted" them, in some fashion, and Raziel got lucky he "died" when he did. The corruption of Nosgoth may have led to the corruption of the vampires, and Kain merely escaped by fortune of being the scion of balance. Or, perhaps, vampirism simply caused them to outwardly reflect their own minds and souls. Raziel may have been in the process of mutating into some kind of demented version of an angel, given his tendency for self-righteousness, which would explain the wings.

>>15191892

It's because their mutations were the result of Kain not doing it properly. The way Kain created his vampire lieutenants was breathing part of himself into them. Raziel received the largest portion whereas Melchiah received the smallest. It's why Melchiah's flesh doesn't properly recombine and why he becomes a massive flesh monster.